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11 Apr 2005 04:05:13 PM |
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OT: A West Too Wild |
A West Too Wild
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/11/opinion/11mon1.html
http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1786.8050
Vigilantism on our borders is an intolerable reminder that Washington
must embrace real and humane reform of our immigration policy.
Booting the Bench
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42691-2005Apr10.html
http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1791.6093
There's new ferocity in talk of firing activist judges.
By Ruth Marcus, Page A19
Railing against activist judges is nothing new in American politics.
The nation's judicial wars erupt infrequently but at times with painful
intensity, often brought on by the stress of a particularly divisive
case. Indeed, it's not surprising that the current outbreak of
judge-bashing is particularly virulent: With long-standing grievances
(abortion, school prayer) still simmering, the courts have been busying
themselves, as critics see it, with promoting same-sex marriage and
censoring the Ten Commandments. Meantime, a showdown over filibusters
is looming, and a Supreme Court nomination looks to be in the offing
after a lengthy stretch without a resignation. In that context, the
dispute over Terri Schiavo was the inevitable tipping point.
The Road to Riches
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/5ba95f4634dec9cd
and thread
The Road to Riches
http://tinyurl.com/55nzo
A Blueprint for the Future
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/59c28cd6dfe6f60f
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| User: "r norman" |
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13 Apr 2005 01:55:49 PM |
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On 13 Apr 2005 11:26:40 -0700, wrote:
Oh it ain't just Canadians...quite a few of my college friends were
from Europe (mostly UK and Germany) and more than half of them somewhat
forgot to get on a plane back to Europe when we finished school.
They were of "illegal" status for a few months until some companies
managed to pick them up with H1Bs. I wonder if they should've been
shot as well.
UK and Germany, Nordic or "Aryan". Good.
Eastern or Mediterranean Europe, swarthy. Shoot.
A simple photometer to measure the amount of light reflecting from
skin, hair, and eyes is the easiest way to tell.
Oops. I completely forgot that our friend D. Gordon has conclusively
demonstrated that the British are of Syrian origin.
New classification:
German, "Aryan". Good.
UK or Eastern or Mediterranean Europe, swarthy. Shoot.
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| User: "Robert J. Kolker" |
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13 Apr 2005 03:28:26 PM |
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r norman wrote:
German, "Aryan". Good.
UK or Eastern or Mediterranean Europe, swarthy. Shoot.
Big mistake. The Eastern Europeans and the Mediterrean types are much
smarter than the Aryans.
Bob Kolker
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| User: "AC" |
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13 Apr 2005 03:49:38 PM |
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:28:26 -0400,
Robert J. Kolker <nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote:
r norman wrote:
German, "Aryan". Good.
UK or Eastern or Mediterranean Europe, swarthy. Shoot.
Big mistake. The Eastern Europeans and the Mediterrean types are much
smarter than the Aryans.
No matter how you try to bounce this ball, it's still flat. There is no
evidence that any population of modern humans is any smarter or dumber than
any other. Clearly different populations have different environmental and
cultural challenges, so different skillsets are required, but to claim that
any group is smarter than any other is just a new version of the utter
claptrap that Victorian-era racists tried to put forward to justify
colonization.
--
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
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| User: "Stan Gosnell, FCD" |
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13 Apr 2005 07:40:23 PM |
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AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:slrnd5r1f2.oce.mightymartianca@ministry.of.silly.walks:
No matter how you try to bounce this ball, it's still flat. There is
no evidence that any population of modern humans is any smarter or
dumber than any other. Clearly different populations have different
environmental and cultural challenges, so different skillsets are
required, but to claim that any group is smarter than any other is
just a new version of the utter claptrap that Victorian-era racists
tried to put forward to justify colonization.
Yeah, but you'll never convince the Klan of that.
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Regards,
Stan
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." B. Franklin
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| User: "r norman" |
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13 Apr 2005 10:23:10 PM |
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:28:26 -0400, "Robert J. Kolker"
<nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote:
r norman wrote:
German, "Aryan". Good.
UK or Eastern or Mediterranean Europe, swarthy. Shoot.
Big mistake. The Eastern Europeans and the Mediterrean types are much
smarter than the Aryans.
Intelligence has never been a factor in bigotry. Skin color always
has.
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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14 Apr 2005 10:25:39 AM |
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r norman <rsn_@_comcast.net> wrote in
news:dfor51lqarm45a627dm617tj9riihk3ovf@4ax.com:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:28:26 -0400, "Robert J. Kolker"
<nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote:
r norman wrote:
German, "Aryan". Good.
UK or Eastern or Mediterranean Europe, swarthy. Shoot.
Big mistake. The Eastern Europeans and the Mediterrean types are much
smarter than the Aryans.
Intelligence has never been a factor in bigotry.
I disagree. All racists are retards. You can't be a racist without an
extremely limited intelligence.
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
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| User: "JTEM" |
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14 Apr 2005 12:18:21 PM |
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"No 33 Secretary" <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote
I disagree. All racists are retards. You can't be a racist
without an extremely limited intelligence.
Careful. You're leaving yourself wide open.
In my experience, people can't both emotionally &
intellectually at the same time. Emotion trumps
intellect every time.
If you like, you may think that for most people it's only
true when emotions are unusually strong. But, fact
remains, all men have experienced "thinking with your
*****," and pretty much every human that has ever
lived has said things when they were upset that they
were never would have said otherwise.
We're also far more likely to take things negatively
if they come from someone we don't like. This is
something we may not always notice, but we do
notice when people that don't like us do it.
Well, people who are AFRAID of black people or
HATE black people are experiencing an emotional
response to black people. They could normally be
intelligent -- an IQ well above norm -- but they
don't approach black people with their intellect, they
approach them emotionally.
In some sense, yes, they are retarded. Their intellect
is being over-ridden. But the real difference between
you & them isn't that you're any brighter -- you're
not -- it's that they're more emotional.
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| User: "Robert J. Kolker" |
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14 Apr 2005 01:01:25 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
Well, people who are AFRAID of black people or
HATE black people are experiencing an emotional
response to black people. They could normally be
intelligent -- an IQ well above norm -- but they
don't approach black people with their intellect, they
approach them emotionally.
A lot depends on whether they have been mugged by a Negro or not.
Bob Kolker
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| User: "JTEM" |
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14 Apr 2005 01:30:51 PM |
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"Robert J. Kolker" <nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote
Well, people who are AFRAID of black people or
HATE black people are experiencing an emotional
response to black people. They could normally be
intelligent -- an IQ well above norm -- but they
don't approach black people with their intellect, they
approach them emotionally.
A lot depends on whether they have been mugged by
a Negro or not.
Emotions depend on nothing.
For example, would the same white person fear
and/or hate all white people, if the mugger was
white?
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| User: "rich hammett" |
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14 Apr 2005 05:01:12 PM |
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In talk.origins JTEM <gymraven@hotmail.com> sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
"Robert J. Kolker" <nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote
Well, people who are AFRAID of black people or
HATE black people are experiencing an emotional
response to black people. They could normally be
intelligent -- an IQ well above norm -- but they
don't approach black people with their intellect, they
approach them emotionally.
A lot depends on whether they have been mugged by
a Negro or not.
Emotions depend on nothing.
For example, would the same white person fear
and/or hate all white people, if the mugger was
white?
Trolls live for getting other people to say stupid things
like this.
rich
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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14 Apr 2005 05:26:07 PM |
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rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in
news:115tq184j66i95a@corp.supernews.com:
In talk.origins JTEM <gymraven@hotmail.com> sanoi, hitaasti kuin
hämähäkki:
"Robert J. Kolker" <nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote
Well, people who are AFRAID of black people or
HATE black people are experiencing an emotional
response to black people. They could normally be
intelligent -- an IQ well above norm -- but they
don't approach black people with their intellect, they
approach them emotionally.
A lot depends on whether they have been mugged by
a Negro or not.
Emotions depend on nothing.
For example, would the same white person fear
and/or hate all white people, if the mugger was
white?
Trolls live for getting other people to say stupid things
like this.
And yet, you don't answer the question.
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
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| User: "John Smith" |
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16 Apr 2005 04:52:03 PM |
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"No 33 Secretary" <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96389D048E9EEtaustinhyperbookscom@216.168.3.50...
rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in
news:115tq184j66i95a@corp.supernews.com:
In talk.origins JTEM <gymraven@hotmail.com> sanoi, hitaasti kuin
hämähäkki:
"Robert J. Kolker" <nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote
Well, people who are AFRAID of black people or
HATE black people are experiencing an emotional
response to black people. They could normally be
intelligent -- an IQ well above norm -- but they
don't approach black people with their intellect, they
approach them emotionally.
A lot depends on whether they have been mugged by
a Negro or not.
Emotions depend on nothing.
For example, would the same white person fear
and/or hate all white people, if the mugger was
white?
Trolls live for getting other people to say stupid things
like this.
And yet, you don't answer the question.
And it seems to be a valid and instructive question at that.
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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18 Apr 2005 10:47:10 AM |
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"John Smith" <someone_else@spamisevil.com> wrote in
news:11632882gsi9l0f@corp.supernews.com:
"No 33 Secretary" <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96389D048E9EEtaustinhyperbookscom@216.168.3.50...
rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in
news:115tq184j66i95a@corp.supernews.com:
In talk.origins JTEM <gymraven@hotmail.com> sanoi, hitaasti kuin
hämähäkki:
"Robert J. Kolker" <nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote
Well, people who are AFRAID of black people or
HATE black people are experiencing an emotional
response to black people. They could normally be
intelligent -- an IQ well above norm -- but they
don't approach black people with their intellect, they
approach them emotionally.
A lot depends on whether they have been mugged by
a Negro or not.
Emotions depend on nothing.
For example, would the same white person fear
and/or hate all white people, if the mugger was
white?
Trolls live for getting other people to say stupid things
like this.
And yet, you don't answer the question.
And it seems to be a valid and instructive question at that.
Rather the point of refusing to answer it, wouldn't you think?
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
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| User: "" |
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19 Apr 2005 05:17:34 PM |
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No 33 Secretary wrote:
"John Smith" <someone_else@spamisevil.com> wrote in
news:11632882gsi9l0f@corp.supernews.com:
[snip]
And it seems to be a valid and instructive question at that.
Rather the point of refusing to answer it, wouldn't you think?
Humans are social animals that developed an "us vs. them" social
dynamic.
When one is in a hunter gatherer band of a dozen or so, it is wise to
cooperate with the group one belongs to because it increases one's
chance of survival. Going against this group will lead to being
outcast from it, substantially decreasing the chances of survival (not
to mention the opportunities to reproduce).
However, as human population density began increasing, all of the
different hunter gatherer groups begin to compete more aggressively for
the limited supply of foraging grounds and game trails. Hence those
outside one's groups are easier to see as the enemy. Competing with
and eliminating these outside groups are beneficial to an individual's
survival since it benefits the survival of his group.
Because of this humans are inherently "us vs. them" in their mentality.
You've extrapolated that to mean "racist" which is inaccurate. It's
all about "identifiable out-groups" because that is how human social
dynamics works. Going by your interpretation that means a WASP who can
easily identify white-trash and jump to bad conclusions against them is
a racist.
A racist only exists because he thinks races of humans exist. In
reality it's only about in-groups and out-groups. Some people draw the
lines using physical appearance, some use religion, some use
nationality, some use wealth. To the vast majority of people it's some
combination of all of that.
Since physical appearance is the easiest and most obvious, it tends to
have a lot of influence. IMO that doesn't make them a racist, because
the evidence to convince me that human races exist is sorely lacking.
To me it just makes them human.
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| User: "thomas p" |
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20 Apr 2005 01:13:42 PM |
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On 19 Apr 2005 15:17:34 -0700, wrote:
No 33 Secretary wrote:
"John Smith" <someone_else@spamisevil.com> wrote in
news:11632882gsi9l0f@corp.supernews.com:
[snip]
And it seems to be a valid and instructive question at that.
Rather the point of refusing to answer it, wouldn't you think?
Humans are social animals that developed an "us vs. them" social
dynamic.
When one is in a hunter gatherer band of a dozen or so, it is wise to
cooperate with the group one belongs to because it increases one's
chance of survival. Going against this group will lead to being
outcast from it, substantially decreasing the chances of survival (not
to mention the opportunities to reproduce).
However, as human population density began increasing, all of the
different hunter gatherer groups begin to compete more aggressively for
the limited supply of foraging grounds and game trails. Hence those
outside one's groups are easier to see as the enemy. Competing with
and eliminating these outside groups are beneficial to an individual's
survival since it benefits the survival of his group.
Because of this humans are inherently "us vs. them" in their mentality.
You've extrapolated that to mean "racist" which is inaccurate. It's
all about "identifiable out-groups" because that is how human social
dynamics works. Going by your interpretation that means a WASP who can
easily identify white-trash and jump to bad conclusions against them is
a racist.
A racist only exists because he thinks races of humans exist. In
reality it's only about in-groups and out-groups. Some people draw the
lines using physical appearance, some use religion, some use
nationality, some use wealth. To the vast majority of people it's some
combination of all of that.
Since physical appearance is the easiest and most obvious, it tends to
have a lot of influence. IMO that doesn't make them a racist, because
the evidence to convince me that human races exist is sorely lacking.
To me it just makes them human.
Race does not have to objectively exist for racism to exist. The word
"racism" describes both belief and behavior based on the conviction
that there are identifiable races. It is not the same as judgments
based on nationality or wealth or religious belief, all of which can
change. A Jew for example is a Jew to an anti-Semitic racist no
matter what the person's actual religion is or the culture or class
that he belongs to.
Being cautious in the presence of the stranger is quite natural.
Racism is something that has to be learned; it is not natural.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "rich hammett" |
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16 Apr 2005 08:59:18 PM |
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In talk.origins John Smith <someone_else@spamisevil.com> sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
"No 33 Secretary" <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96389D048E9EEtaustinhyperbookscom@216.168.3.50...
rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in
news:115tq184j66i95a@corp.supernews.com:
In talk.origins JTEM <gymraven@hotmail.com> sanoi, hitaasti kuin
hämähäkki:
"Robert J. Kolker" <nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote
Well, people who are AFRAID of black people or
HATE black people are experiencing an emotional
response to black people. They could normally be
intelligent -- an IQ well above norm -- but they
don't approach black people with their intellect, they
approach them emotionally.
A lot depends on whether they have been mugged by
a Negro or not.
Emotions depend on nothing.
For example, would the same white person fear
and/or hate all white people, if the mugger was
white?
Trolls live for getting other people to say stupid things
like this.
And yet, you don't answer the question.
And it seems to be a valid and instructive question at that.
It is very difficult to subconsciously demonize your in-group,
but not an out-group. The dynamics are very different for
exactly the effect in question. It was a red herring in this
discussion.
rich
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\ than the pride that divides
/ when a colorful rag is unfurled."
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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18 Apr 2005 10:48:24 AM |
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rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in
news:1163gnmb1tkq00e@corp.supernews.com:
In talk.origins John Smith <someone_else@spamisevil.com> sanoi,
hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
"No 33 Secretary" <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96389D048E9EEtaustinhyperbookscom@216.168.3.50...
rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in
news:115tq184j66i95a@corp.supernews.com:
In talk.origins JTEM <gymraven@hotmail.com> sanoi, hitaasti kuin
hämähäkki:
"Robert J. Kolker" <nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote
Well, people who are AFRAID of black people or
HATE black people are experiencing an emotional
response to black people. They could normally be
intelligent -- an IQ well above norm -- but they
don't approach black people with their intellect, they
approach them emotionally.
A lot depends on whether they have been mugged by
a Negro or not.
Emotions depend on nothing.
For example, would the same white person fear
and/or hate all white people, if the mugger was
white?
Trolls live for getting other people to say stupid things
like this.
And yet, you don't answer the question.
And it seems to be a valid and instructive question at that.
It is very difficult to subconsciously demonize your in-group,
but not an out-group. The dynamics are very different for
exactly the effect in question. It was a red herring in this
discussion.
Not in the least, if the "out group" is, as claimed, muggers, and not black
people. And if the "out group" is actually black people, then racism is
openly admitted.
So which is it?
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
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| User: "rich hammett" |
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18 Apr 2005 03:58:25 PM |
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In talk.origins No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in
news:1163gnmb1tkq00e@corp.supernews.com:
In talk.origins John Smith <someone_else@spamisevil.com> sanoi,
hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
"No 33 Secretary" <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96389D048E9EEtaustinhyperbookscom@216.168.3.50...
rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in
news:115tq184j66i95a@corp.supernews.com:
In talk.origins JTEM <gymraven@hotmail.com> sanoi, hitaasti kuin
hämähäkki:
"Robert J. Kolker" <nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote
Well, people who are AFRAID of black people or
HATE black people are experiencing an emotional
response to black people. They could normally be
intelligent -- an IQ well above norm -- but they
don't approach black people with their intellect, they
approach them emotionally.
A lot depends on whether they have been mugged by
a Negro or not.
Emotions depend on nothing.
For example, would the same white person fear
and/or hate all white people, if the mugger was
white?
Trolls live for getting other people to say stupid things
like this.
And yet, you don't answer the question.
And it seems to be a valid and instructive question at that.
It is very difficult to subconsciously demonize your in-group,
but not an out-group. The dynamics are very different for
exactly the effect in question. It was a red herring in this
discussion.
Not in the least, if the "out group" is, as claimed, muggers, and not black
people. And if the "out group" is actually black people, then racism is
openly admitted.
So which is it?
If you are white, and the mugger is white, then "mugger"
would be how you would consciously and subconsciously
label the assailant's out-group. It's instructive, but
not very helpful for immediate (and evolutionary) survival
needs. However, if the mugger belongs to some easily-
identifiable out-group already, such as a different racial
group, or even some group that dresses in extreme ways,
then a primary identification will be made using that
visible characteristic instead of the invisible "mugger"
characteristic.
rich
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/ when a colorful rag is unfurled."
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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20 Apr 2005 12:36:20 PM |
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rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in
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In talk.origins No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> sanoi,
hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in
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In talk.origins No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com>
sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
Stanley Friesen <sarima@friesen.net> wrote in
news:p4n861dqq5vgf47nls09kbpdg9elosrnh9@4ax.com:
No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote:
rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in
If you are white, and the mugger is white, then "mugger"
would be how you would consciously and subconsciously
label the assailant's out-group. It's instructive, but
not very helpful for immediate (and evolutionary) survival
needs. However, if the mugger belongs to some easily-
identifiable out-group already, such as a different racial
group,
Then, by definition, you are a racist. Duh.
What he said was that *all* *people* have this natural in-born
tendency.
That's what he said, yes. AS soon as he started talking about
"identifiabl out-groups," however, he stepped in to clear racism.
Wow.
Indeed. You're quite the loser.
Don't worry,
I'm not worried in the least. Racism proves you're too stupid to be
dangerous.
I'm not a racist.
I don't believe you.
Could you sort the following list of political figures into whites
and blacks?:
1) G. W Bush.
2) Ted Kennedy
3) Colin Powell
4) Jesse Jackson
5) Jesse Helms
6) ***** Cheney
7) Condoleezza Rice
8) Al Gore
9) Kweisi Mfume
10) Danforth Quayle
If you succeeded, does this mean that you're a racist?
-- cary
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In talk.origins No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com>
sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in
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In talk.origins No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com>
sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
Stanley Friesen <sarima@friesen.net> wrote in
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No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote:
rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in
If you are white, and the mugger is white, then "mugger"
would be how you would consciously and subconsciously
label the assailant's out-group. It's instructive, but
not very helpful for immediate (and evolutionary) survival
needs. However, if the mugger belongs to some easily-
identifiable out-group already, such as a different racial
group,
Then, by definition, you are a racist. Duh.
What he said was that *all* *people* have this natural in-born
tendency.
That's what he said, yes. AS soon as he started talking about
"identifiabl out-groups," however, he stepped in to clear
racism.
Wow.
Indeed. You're quite the loser.
Don't worry,
I'm not worried in the least. Racism proves you're too stupid to be
dangerous.
I'm not a racist.
I don't believe you.
Could you sort the following list of political figures into whites
and blacks?:
Why would I care? The color of their skin is completely irrelevant to their
abilities as politicians.
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
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In talk.origins No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com>
sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in
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In talk.origins No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com>
sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
Stanley Friesen <sarima@friesen.net> wrote in
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No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote:
rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in
If you are white, and the mugger is white, then "mugger"
would be how you would consciously and subconsciously
label the assailant's out-group. It's instructive, but
not very helpful for immediate (and evolutionary) survival
needs. However, if the mugger belongs to some easily-
identifiable out-group already, such as a different racial
group,
Then, by definition, you are a racist. Duh.
What he said was that *all* *people* have this natural in-born
tendency.
That's what he said, yes. AS soon as he started talking about
"identifiabl out-groups," however, he stepped in to clear
racism.
Wow.
Indeed. You're quite the loser.
Don't worry,
I'm not worried in the least. Racism proves you're too stupid to be
dangerous.
I'm not a racist.
I don't believe you.
Could you sort the following list of political figures into whites
and blacks?:
Why would I care? The color of their skin is completely irrelevant to their
abilities as politicians.
Of course the color of their skin is irrelevant.
Now, that being waived as obvious, could you so sort the list?
Or would you be unable to?
I could. And I'm a tree-hugging bleeding-heart knee-jerk
civil rights era liberal.
And no racist.
-- cary
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In talk.origins No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com>
sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in
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In talk.origins No 33 Secretary
<taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> sanoi, hitaasti kuin
hämähäkki:
Stanley Friesen <sarima@friesen.net> wrote in
news:p4n861dqq5vgf47nls09kbpdg9elosrnh9@4ax.com:
No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote:
rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in
If you are white, and the mugger is white, then "mugger"
would be how you would consciously and subconsciously
label the assailant's out-group. It's instructive, but
not very helpful for immediate (and evolutionary) survival
needs. However, if the mugger belongs to some easily-
identifiable out-group already, such as a different racial
group,
Then, by definition, you are a racist. Duh.
What he said was that *all* *people* have this natural
in-born tendency.
That's what he said, yes. AS soon as he started talking about
"identifiabl out-groups," however, he stepped in to clear
racism.
Wow.
Indeed. You're quite the loser.
Don't worry,
I'm not worried in the least. Racism proves you're too stupid to
be dangerous.
I'm not a racist.
I don't believe you.
Could you sort the following list of political figures into whites
and blacks?:
Why would I care? The color of their skin is completely irrelevant to
their abilities as politicians.
Of course the color of their skin is irrelevant.
Now, that being waived as obvious, could you so sort the list?
Or would you be unable to?
I'm not inclined to waste my time on a pointless excercise. I don't *care*.
I could. And I'm a tree-hugging bleeding-heart knee-jerk
civil rights era liberal.
And no racist.
I'm happy for you. There are other kind of idiots.
(And liberal are actually more likely to be racists, in my experience. They
just manifest it differently, usually in the "oh, the poor blacks can't
compete, so we have to give them special priviliges" sort of way. You can
spot 'em easily by saying something about white people that would provoke
accusations of racism if you said it about any other race, but doesn't,
because it's about whites.)
Were you aware that James Meridith considers the NAACP to be as racist as
the governor of Mississippi who tried to keep him out of Ol' Miss?
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
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cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote in
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In article <Xns963E6E6B9970Dtaustinhyperbookscomˇ.168.3.50> No 33
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In talk.origins No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com>
sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in
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In talk.origins No 33 Secretary
<taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> sanoi, hitaasti kuin
hämähäkki:
Stanley Friesen <sarima@friesen.net> wrote in
news:p4n861dqq5vgf47nls09kbpdg9elosrnh9@4ax.com:
No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote:
rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in
If you are white, and the mugger is white, then "mugger"
would be how you would consciously and subconsciously
label the assailant's out-group. It's instructive, but
not very helpful for immediate (and evolutionary) survival
needs. However, if the mugger belongs to some easily-
identifiable out-group already, such as a different racial
group,
Then, by definition, you are a racist. Duh.
What he said was that *all* *people* have this natural
in-born tendency.
That's what he said, yes. AS soon as he started talking about
"identifiabl out-groups," however, he stepped in to clear
racism.
Wow.
Indeed. You're quite the loser.
Don't worry,
I'm not worried in the least. Racism proves you're too stupid to
be dangerous.
I'm not a racist.
I don't believe you.
Could you sort the following list of political figures into whites
and blacks?:
Why would I care? The color of their skin is completely irrelevant to
their abilities as politicians.
Of course the color of their skin is irrelevant.
Now, that being waived as obvious, could you so sort the list?
Or would you be unable to?
I'm not inclined to waste my time on a pointless excercise. I don't *care*.
I could. And I'm a tree-hugging bleeding-heart knee-jerk
civil rights era liberal.
And no racist.
I'm happy for you. There are other kind of idiots.
(And liberal are actually more likely to be racists, in my experience. They
just manifest it differently, usually in the "oh, the poor blacks can't
compete, so we have to give them special priviliges" sort of way. You can
spot 'em easily by saying something about white people that would provoke
accusations of racism if you said it about any other race, but doesn't,
because it's about whites.)
And blacks casually toss off "nigga". Jews tell the best Jewish
jokes. People with Ms tell MS jokes. It's always acceptable to
caricature your own.
And it's generally acceptable to caricature any group that has
so entrenched itself into unassailable positions of power and
influence and control that humor can in no way be viewed as
raising any kind of threat to the group. Such as white
males.
Were you aware that James Meridith considers the NAACP to be as racist as
the governor of Mississippi who tried to keep him out of Ol' Miss?
And many more radical young blacks consider James Meredith an Uncle Tom.
And so it goes...
-- cary
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In talk.origins No 33 Secretary
<taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> sanoi, hitaasti kuin
hämähäkki:
rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in
news:116abl9a476au61@corp.supernews.com:
In talk.origins No 33 Secretary
<taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> sanoi, hitaasti kuin
hämähäkki:
Stanley Friesen <sarima@friesen.net> wrote in
news:p4n861dqq5vgf47nls09kbpdg9elosrnh9@4ax.com:
No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote:
rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in
If you are white, and the mugger is white, then
"mugger" would be how you would consciously and
subconsciously label the assailant's out-group. It's
instructive, but not very helpful for immediate (and
evolutionary) survival needs. However, if the mugger
belongs to some easily- identifiable out-group already,
such as a different racial group,
Then, by definition, you are a racist. Duh.
What he said was that *all* *people* have this natural
in-born tendency.
That's what he said, yes. AS soon as he started talking
about "identifiabl out-groups," however, he stepped in to
clear racism.
Wow.
Indeed. You're quite the loser.
Don't worry,
I'm not worried in the least. Racism proves you're too stupid
to be dangerous.
I'm not a racist.
I don't believe you.
Could you sort the following list of political figures into
whites and blacks?:
Why would I care? The color of their skin is completely irrelevant
to their abilities as politicians.
Of course the color of their skin is irrelevant.
Now, that being waived as obvious, could you so sort the list?
Or would you be unable to?
I'm not inclined to waste my time on a pointless excercise. I don't
*care*.
I could. And I'm a tree-hugging bleeding-heart knee-jerk
civil rights era liberal.
And no racist.
I'm happy for you. There are other kind of idiots.
(And liberal are actually more likely to be racists, in my
experience. They just manifest it differently, usually in the "oh,
the poor blacks can't compete, so we have to give them special
priviliges" sort of way. You can spot 'em easily by saying something
about white people that would provoke accusations of racism if you
said it about any other race, but doesn't, because it's about
whites.)
And blacks casually toss off "nigga". Jews tell the best Jewish
jokes. People with Ms tell MS jokes. It's always acceptable to
caricature your own.
And it's generally acceptable to caricature any group that has
so entrenched itself into unassailable positions of power and
influence and control that humor can in no way be viewed as
raising any kind of threat to the group. Such as white
males.
Yes, certain forms of racism are quite acceptable. Doesn't make it less
racist, however.
Were you aware that James Meridith considers the NAACP to be as
racist as the governor of Mississippi who tried to keep him out of
Ol' Miss?
And many more radical young blacks consider James Meredith an Uncle
Tom. And so it goes...
That would be the Uncle Tom who made it possible for thsoe young blacks to
go to any university they wanted. Who triggered some of the most profound
changes in the legal and cultural climate in the US. And who can be quite
eloquent on why he believes that.
You have a point?
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
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18 Apr 2005 04:05:36 PM |
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rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in
news:11687rhcj2hphf7@corp.supernews.com:
In talk.origins No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> sanoi,
hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in
news:1163gnmb1tkq00e@corp.supernews.com:
In talk.origins John Smith <someone_else@spamisevil.com> sanoi,
hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
"No 33 Secretary" <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96389D048E9EEtaustinhyperbookscom@216.168.3.50...
rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in
news:115tq184j66i95a@corp.supernews.com:
In talk.origins JTEM <gymraven@hotmail.com> sanoi, hitaasti kuin
hämähäkki:
"Robert J. Kolker" <nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote
Well, people who are AFRAID of black people or
HATE black people are experiencing an emotional
response to black people. They could normally be
intelligent -- an IQ well above norm -- but they
don't approach black people with their intellect, they
approach them emotionally.
A lot depends on whether they have been mugged by
a Negro or not.
Emotions depend on nothing.
For example, would the same white person fear
and/or hate all white people, if the mugger was
white?
Trolls live for getting other people to say stupid things
like this.
And yet, you don't answer the question.
And it seems to be a valid and instructive question at that.
It is very difficult to subconsciously demonize your in-group,
but not an out-group. The dynamics are very different for
exactly the effect in question. It was a red herring in this
discussion.
Not in the least, if the "out group" is, as claimed, muggers, and not
black people. And if the "out group" is actually black people, then
racism is openly admitted.
So which is it?
If you are white, and the mugger is white, then "mugger"
would be how you would consciously and subconsciously
label the assailant's out-group. It's instructive, but
not very helpful for immediate (and evolutionary) survival
needs. However, if the mugger belongs to some easily-
identifiable out-group already, such as a different racial
group,
Then, by definition, you are a racist. Duh.
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
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18 Apr 2005 08:20:28 PM |
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No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote:
rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in
If you are white, and the mugger is white, then "mugger"
would be how you would consciously and subconsciously
label the assailant's out-group. It's instructive, but
not very helpful for immediate (and evolutionary) survival
needs. However, if the mugger belongs to some easily-
identifiable out-group already, such as a different racial
group,
Then, by definition, you are a racist. Duh.
What he said was that *all* *people* have this natural in-born tendency.
So, either ALL people are racists, or a non-racist is simply somebody
who fights against that tendency in themselves.
--
The peace of God be with you.
Stanley Friesen
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19 Apr 2005 10:26:55 AM |
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Stanley Friesen <sarima@friesen.net> wrote in
news:p4n861dqq5vgf47nls09kbpdg9elosrnh9@4ax.com:
No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote:
rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in
If you are white, and the mugger is white, then "mugger"
would be how you would consciously and subconsciously
label the assailant's out-group. It's instructive, but
not very helpful for immediate (and evolutionary) survival
needs. However, if the mugger belongs to some easily-
identifiable out-group already, such as a different racial
group,
Then, by definition, you are a racist. Duh.
What he said was that *all* *people* have this natural in-born tendency.
That's what he said, yes. AS soon as he started talking about "identifiabl
out-groups," however, he stepped in to clear racism.
So, either ALL people are racists, or a non-racist is simply somebody
who fights against that tendency in themselves.
Or he's full of *****.
--
Terry Austin
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| Title: Re: OT: A West Too Wild |
19 Apr 2005 11:15:37 AM |
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In talk.origins No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
Stanley Friesen <sarima@friesen.net> wrote in
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No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote:
rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in
If you are white, and the mugger is white, then "mugger"
would be how you would consciously and subconsciously
label the assailant's out-group. It's instructive, but
not very helpful for immediate (and evolutionary) survival
needs. However, if the mugger belongs to some easily-
identifiable out-group already, such as a different racial
group,
Then, by definition, you are a racist. Duh.
What he said was that *all* *people* have this natural in-born tendency.
That's what he said, yes. AS soon as he started talking about "identifiabl
out-groups," however, he stepped in to clear racism.
Wow.
rich
So, either ALL people are racists, or a non-racist is simply somebody
who fights against that tendency in themselves.
Or he's full of *****.
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| Title: Re: OT: A West Too Wild |
19 Apr 2005 11:25:13 AM |
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rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in
news:116abl9a476au61@corp.supernews.com:
In talk.origins No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> sanoi,
hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
Stanley Friesen <sarima@friesen.net> wrote in
news:p4n861dqq5vgf47nls09kbpdg9elosrnh9@4ax.com:
No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote:
rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in
If you are white, and the mugger is white, then "mugger"
would be how you would consciously and subconsciously
label the assailant's out-group. It's instructive, but
not very helpful for immediate (and evolutionary) survival
needs. However, if the mugger belongs to some easily-
identifiable out-group already, such as a different racial
group,
Then, by definition, you are a racist. Duh.
What he said was that *all* *people* have this natural in-born
tendency.
That's what he said, yes. AS soon as he started talking about
"identifiabl out-groups," however, he stepped in to clear racism.
Wow.
Indeed. You're quite the loser.
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Terry Austin
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| User: "rich hammett" |
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| Title: Re: OT: A West Too Wild |
20 Apr 2005 12:01:35 PM |
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In talk.origins No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in
news:116abl9a476au61@corp.supernews.com:
In talk.origins No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> sanoi,
hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
Stanley Friesen <sarima@friesen.net> wrote in
news:p4n861dqq5vgf47nls09kbpdg9elosrnh9@4ax.com:
No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote:
rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in
If you are white, and the mugger is white, then "mugger"
would be how you would consciously and subconsciously
label the assailant's out-group. It's instructive, but
not very helpful for immediate (and evolutionary) survival
needs. However, if the mugger belongs to some easily-
identifiable out-group already, such as a different racial
group,
Then, by definition, you are a racist. Duh.
What he said was that *all* *people* have this natural in-born
tendency.
That's what he said, yes. AS soon as he started talking about
"identifiabl out-groups," however, he stepped in to clear racism.
Wow.
Indeed. You're quite the loser.
Don't worry, I'm not a racist. Some of my best friends
are idiots who jump to unwarranted conclusions in the
face of the evidence.
rich
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