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30 Nov 2004 03:28:46 AM |
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OT: Alabama clings to segregationist past |
Alabama clings to segregationist past
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1362581,00.html
US state with racist history votes to keep 'separate schools for white
and coloured children' as part of constitution
Gary Younge in New York
Tuesday November 30, 2004
The Guardian
During his inaugural address in 1963, the then Alabama governor,
George Wallace, took to the steps of the state capitol and made a
promise. Standing on the spot where Jefferson Davis had declared an
independent southern confederacy just over 100 years before, he
pledged: "In the name of the greatest people that ever trod this
earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the
feet of tyranny and I say: Segregation now, segregation tomorrow,
segregation for ever."
Gary Younge
http://tinyurl.com/25fkh
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Jefferson Davis
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Alabama clings to segregationist past |
30 Nov 2004 07:27:16 PM |
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On 30 Nov 2004 01:28:46 -0800, (maff) thought hard
and said:
Alabama clings to segregationist past
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1362581,00.html
US state with racist history votes to keep 'separate schools for white
and coloured children' as part of constitution
Now of course, if this is all you read, it makes us Alabamians look
like a bunch of backward, inbreed hicks (though I feel maff thinks of
us that way anyway). However, there is a reason why so many voters
opposed to legislation: taxes.
"The amendment had two main parts: the removal of the
separate-schools language and the removal of a passage -- inserted in
the 1950s in an attempt to counter the Brown v. Board of Education
ruling against segregated public schools -- that said Alabama's
constitution does not guarantee a right to a public education. Leading
opponents, such as Alabama Christian Coalition President John Giles,
said they did not object to removing the passage about separate
schools for "white and colored children." But, employing an argument
that was ridiculed by most of the state's newspapers and by legions of
legal experts, Giles and others said guaranteeing a right to a public
education would have opened a door for "rogue" federal judges to order
the state to raise taxes to pay for improvements in its public school
system."
-http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16443-2004Nov27.html
It may sound stupid, but that is why many feel the amendment
failed.
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| User: "Nivlem" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Alabama clings to segregationist past |
30 Nov 2004 09:10:13 PM |
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Daniel Kolle wrote:
On 30 Nov 2004 01:28:46 -0800, (maff) thought hard
and said:
Alabama clings to segregationist past
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1362581,00.html
US state with racist history votes to keep 'separate schools for white
and coloured children' as part of constitution
Now of course, if this is all you read, it makes us Alabamians look
like a bunch of backward, inbreed hicks (though I feel maff thinks of
us that way anyway). However, there is a reason why so many voters
opposed to legislation: taxes.
"The amendment had two main parts: the removal of the
separate-schools language and the removal of a passage -- inserted in
the 1950s in an attempt to counter the Brown v. Board of Education
ruling against segregated public schools -- that said Alabama's
constitution does not guarantee a right to a public education. Leading
opponents, such as Alabama Christian Coalition President John Giles,
said they did not object to removing the passage about separate
schools for "white and colored children." But, employing an argument
that was ridiculed by most of the state's newspapers and by legions of
legal experts, Giles and others said guaranteeing a right to a public
education would have opened a door for "rogue" federal judges to order
the state to raise taxes to pay for improvements in its public school
system."
-http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16443-2004Nov27.html
It may sound stupid, but that is why many feel the amendment
failed.
That's still utterly fucking backwards, and a clear indication that
Alabama does need a better education system.
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Alabama clings to segregationist past |
01 Dec 2004 11:26:07 AM |
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Nivlem <mlml@svnspamsomeoneelse.net> wrote in message news:<41AD3615.9010003@svnspamsomeoneelse.net>...
Daniel Kolle wrote:
On 30 Nov 2004 01:28:46 -0800, (maff) thought hard
and said:
Alabama clings to segregationist past
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1362581,00.html
US state with racist history votes to keep 'separate schools for white
and coloured children' as part of constitution
Now of course, if this is all you read, it makes us Alabamians look
like a bunch of backward, inbreed hicks (though I feel maff thinks of
us that way anyway). However, there is a reason why so many voters
opposed to legislation: taxes.
"The amendment had two main parts: the removal of the
separate-schools language and the removal of a passage -- inserted in
the 1950s in an attempt to counter the Brown v. Board of Education
ruling against segregated public schools -- that said Alabama's
constitution does not guarantee a right to a public education. Leading
opponents, such as Alabama Christian Coalition President John Giles,
said they did not object to removing the passage about separate
schools for "white and colored children." But, employing an argument
that was ridiculed by most of the state's newspapers and by legions of
legal experts, Giles and others said guaranteeing a right to a public
education would have opened a door for "rogue" federal judges to order
the state to raise taxes to pay for improvements in its public school
system."
-http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16443-2004Nov27.html
It may sound stupid, but that is why many feel the amendment
failed.
That's still utterly fucking backwards, and a clear indication that
Alabama does need a better education system.
And what would your suggestion be improve the system?
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| User: "Nivlem" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Alabama clings to segregationist past |
01 Dec 2004 03:44:58 PM |
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Daniel Kolle wrote:
Nivlem <mlml@svnspamsomeoneelse.net> wrote in message news:<41AD3615.9010003@svnspamsomeoneelse.net>...
Daniel Kolle wrote:
On 30 Nov 2004 01:28:46 -0800, (maff) thought hard
and said:
Alabama clings to segregationist past
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1362581,00.html
US state with racist history votes to keep 'separate schools for white
and coloured children' as part of constitution
Now of course, if this is all you read, it makes us Alabamians look
like a bunch of backward, inbreed hicks (though I feel maff thinks of
us that way anyway). However, there is a reason why so many voters
opposed to legislation: taxes.
"The amendment had two main parts: the removal of the
separate-schools language and the removal of a passage -- inserted in
the 1950s in an attempt to counter the Brown v. Board of Education
ruling against segregated public schools -- that said Alabama's
constitution does not guarantee a right to a public education. Leading
opponents, such as Alabama Christian Coalition President John Giles,
said they did not object to removing the passage about separate
schools for "white and colored children." But, employing an argument
that was ridiculed by most of the state's newspapers and by legions of
legal experts, Giles and others said guaranteeing a right to a public
education would have opened a door for "rogue" federal judges to order
the state to raise taxes to pay for improvements in its public school
system."
-http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16443-2004Nov27.html
It may sound stupid, but that is why many feel the amendment
failed.
That's still utterly fucking backwards, and a clear indication that
Alabama does need a better education system.
And what would your suggestion be improve the system?
More money never hurt. As to specifics, I don't know what the typical
Alabama school system is doing. I can just see the deficient results
from here.
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Alabama clings to segregationist past |
01 Dec 2004 09:32:37 PM |
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On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 13:44:58 -0800, Nivlem
<mlml@svnspamsomeoneelse.net> thought hard and said:
Daniel Kolle wrote:
Nivlem <mlml@svnspamsomeoneelse.net> wrote in message news:<41AD3615.9010003@svnspamsomeoneelse.net>...
Daniel Kolle wrote:
On 30 Nov 2004 01:28:46 -0800, (maff) thought hard
and said:
Alabama clings to segregationist past
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1362581,00.html
US state with racist history votes to keep 'separate schools for white
and coloured children' as part of constitution
Now of course, if this is all you read, it makes us Alabamians look
like a bunch of backward, inbreed hicks (though I feel maff thinks of
us that way anyway). However, there is a reason why so many voters
opposed to legislation: taxes.
"The amendment had two main parts: the removal of the
separate-schools language and the removal of a passage -- inserted in
the 1950s in an attempt to counter the Brown v. Board of Education
ruling against segregated public schools -- that said Alabama's
constitution does not guarantee a right to a public education. Leading
opponents, such as Alabama Christian Coalition President John Giles,
said they did not object to removing the passage about separate
schools for "white and colored children." But, employing an argument
that was ridiculed by most of the state's newspapers and by legions of
legal experts, Giles and others said guaranteeing a right to a public
education would have opened a door for "rogue" federal judges to order
the state to raise taxes to pay for improvements in its public school
system."
-http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16443-2004Nov27.html
It may sound stupid, but that is why many feel the amendment
failed.
That's still utterly fucking backwards, and a clear indication that
Alabama does need a better education system.
And what would your suggestion be improve the system?
More money never hurt.
As to specifics, I don't know what the typical
Alabama school system is doing. I can just see the deficient results
from here.
My school (Hazel Green High) is, by many standards, one of the better
schools in Alabama. Our principal has a knack for recognizing *****
teachers and he kicks their ***** out before they get tenure. The poor
little bastards, eh?
Truth be told, since my school is one of the better ones out
there, I am not exactly an expert on ... educational reform. I can
tell you one thing, though: more money does not always help.
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| User: "Nivlem" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Alabama clings to segregationist past |
02 Dec 2004 11:10:27 AM |
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Daniel Kolle wrote:
On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 13:44:58 -0800, Nivlem
<mlml@svnspamsomeoneelse.net> thought hard and said:
Daniel Kolle wrote:
Nivlem <mlml@svnspamsomeoneelse.net> wrote in message news:<41AD3615.9010003@svnspamsomeoneelse.net>...
Daniel Kolle wrote:
On 30 Nov 2004 01:28:46 -0800, (maff) thought hard
and said:
Alabama clings to segregationist past
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1362581,00.html
US state with racist history votes to keep 'separate schools for white
and coloured children' as part of constitution
Now of course, if this is all you read, it makes us Alabamians look
like a bunch of backward, inbreed hicks (though I feel maff thinks of
us that way anyway). However, there is a reason why so many voters
opposed to legislation: taxes.
"The amendment had two main parts: the removal of the
separate-schools language and the removal of a passage -- inserted in
the 1950s in an attempt to counter the Brown v. Board of Education
ruling against segregated public schools -- that said Alabama's
constitution does not guarantee a right to a public education. Leading
opponents, such as Alabama Christian Coalition President John Giles,
said they did not object to removing the passage about separate
schools for "white and colored children." But, employing an argument
that was ridiculed by most of the state's newspapers and by legions of
legal experts, Giles and others said guaranteeing a right to a public
education would have opened a door for "rogue" federal judges to order
the state to raise taxes to pay for improvements in its public school
system."
-http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16443-2004Nov27.html
It may sound stupid, but that is why many feel the amendment
failed.
That's still utterly fucking backwards, and a clear indication that
Alabama does need a better education system.
And what would your suggestion be improve the system?
More money never hurt.
As to specifics, I don't know what the typical
Alabama school system is doing. I can just see the deficient results
from here.
My school (Hazel Green High) is, by many standards, one of the better
schools in Alabama. Our principal has a knack for recognizing *****
teachers and he kicks their ***** out before they get tenure. The poor
little bastards, eh?
Truth be told, since my school is one of the better ones out
there, I am not exactly an expert on ... educational reform. I can
tell you one thing, though: more money does not always help.
--
Yes, money can be squandered. I went to school in Oakland, CA. Prior to
passage of prop. 13, which froze property taxes, the school system
should have been awash in money. There was a speculative real estate
boom, and property values, and thus taxes, were experiencing near
exponential growth. Guess what? The school I attended looked like a
prison, had peeling paint, broken toilets, and if you kicked a ball over
the fence and lost it, it would be 3 months before you got another. On
the other hand, the schools with the least funding always underperform.
So more money is indeed good, so long as you can prevent people from
wasting or stealing it. For one thing, it can allow you to add teachers
and reduce class size. I think most elementary school teachers would
tell you that classes start getting less and less manageable the more
students you get over a certain number, maybe 15. The more disruption
you have, the less everybody learns. The less individual attention they
get, the further the slow ones fall behind.
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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02 Dec 2004 02:05:22 AM |
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:27:16 -0600, Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 30 Nov 2004 01:28:46 -0800, (maff) thought hard
and said:
Alabama clings to segregationist past
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1362581,00.html
US state with racist history votes to keep 'separate schools for white
and coloured children' as part of constitution
Now of course, if this is all you read, it makes us Alabamians look
like a bunch of backward, inbreed hicks (though I feel maff thinks of
us that way anyway). However, there is a reason why so many voters
opposed to legislation: taxes.
You can also make the argument that you get what you pay for. Why
doesn't the South have anything like the Ivy League? 26 of 129 (or
20%) top colleges are in the South (counting Texas)[1] even though the
region repesents 30% of the population. Why is the University of
California system consistently out-research the University of Texas
system?
[1] usign US News and World report rankings
"The amendment had two main parts: the removal of the
separate-schools language and the removal of a passage -- inserted in
the 1950s in an attempt to counter the Brown v. Board of Education
ruling against segregated public schools -- that said Alabama's
constitution does not guarantee a right to a public education. Leading
opponents, such as Alabama Christian Coalition President John Giles,
said they did not object to removing the passage about separate
schools for "white and colored children." But, employing an argument
that was ridiculed by most of the state's newspapers and by legions of
legal experts, Giles and others said guaranteeing a right to a public
education would have opened a door for "rogue" federal judges to order
the state to raise taxes to pay for improvements in its public school
system."
-http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16443-2004Nov27.html
It may sound stupid, but that is why many feel the amendment
failed.
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1257 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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30 Nov 2004 01:52:53 PM |
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maff wrote:
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During his inaugural address in 1963, the then Alabama governor,
George Wallace, took to the steps of the state capitol and made a
promise. Standing on the spot where Jefferson Davis had declared an
independent southern confederacy just over 100 years before, he
pledged: "In the name of the greatest people that ever trod this
earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the
feet of tyranny and I say: Segregation now, segregation tomorrow,
segregation for ever."
<sniffle> Really moves ya, huh?
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Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "John Popelish" |
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30 Nov 2004 10:11:05 AM |
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maff wrote:
Alabama clings to segregationist past
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1362581,00.html
US state with racist history votes to keep 'separate schools for white
and coloured children' as part of constitution
Gary Younge in New York
Tuesday November 30, 2004
The Guardian
During his inaugural address in 1963, the then Alabama governor,
George Wallace, took to the steps of the state capitol and made a
promise. Standing on the spot where Jefferson Davis had declared an
independent southern confederacy just over 100 years before, he
pledged: "In the name of the greatest people that ever trod this
earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the
feet of tyranny and I say: Segregation now, segregation tomorrow,
segregation for ever."
Gary Younge
http://tinyurl.com/25fkh
They are confident that this administration will not do anything about
it
.... state's rights and all that ... unless they decided to legalize
marijuana.
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John Popelish
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| User: "Kermit" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Alabama clings to segregationist past |
30 Nov 2004 12:36:00 PM |
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John Popelish <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote in message news:<41AC9B99.6C0CBE76@rica.net>...
maff wrote:
Alabama clings to segregationist past
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1362581,00.html
US state with racist history votes to keep 'separate schools for white
and coloured children' as part of constitution
Gary Younge in New York
Tuesday November 30, 2004
The Guardian
During his inaugural address in 1963, the then Alabama governor,
George Wallace, took to the steps of the state capitol and made a
promise. Standing on the spot where Jefferson Davis had declared an
independent southern confederacy just over 100 years before, he
pledged: "In the name of the greatest people that ever trod this
earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the
feet of tyranny and I say: Segregation now, segregation tomorrow,
segregation for ever."
Gary Younge
http://tinyurl.com/25fkh
They are confident that this administration will not do anything about
it
... state's rights and all that ... unless they decided to legalize
marijuana.
Or the assisted suicide law in Oregon. This adminsitration is for
state rights like they are for fiscal responsibility, rule of law, and
other conservative values.
Namely, only if it pleases them.
Kermit
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