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01 Sep 2005 06:56:20 AM |
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OT: And away we go! |
$3 per gallon national minimum happening right now. Jumps of a quarter
or more per gallon all over the place. Long lines and shortages. It's
all so '70s. <g>
This picture is really amazing:
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/BUSINESS/09/01/oil.fears.reut/index.html
I mean... yikes!
Mark
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: OT: And away we go! |
01 Sep 2005 08:59:27 AM |
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On 1 Sep 2005 04:56:20 -0700 in alt.atheism,
() said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
$3 per gallon national minimum happening right now. Jumps of a quarter
or more per gallon all over the place. Long lines and shortages. It's
all so '70s. <g>
I still don't think you know you're born on the price of petrol /
diesel. The average price for unleaded in the UK is 90.2p a litre, and
just under 94p for diesel. i.e about USD 6.50 a gallon. So I can't say
I'm terribly sympathetic on this.
This picture is really amazing:
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/BUSINESS/09/01/oil.fears.reut/index.html
I mean... yikes!
Well, that's the free market for you, particularly given that the
price rises anticipate shortages rather than reflecting their
actuality, i.e. they're charging the prices they may have to pay in
the future to replace goods they've already paid for.
Still I suppose it's a perfect illustration of money as a form of
ration ticket, though perhaps the distribution system could use some
work...
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| User: "Sean C" |
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01 Sep 2005 02:24:32 PM |
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In article <u71eh1dl95q0r7almujagi9cbnott8qca3@4ax.com>, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 1 Sep 2005 04:56:20 -0700 in alt.atheism,
() said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
$3 per gallon national minimum happening right now. Jumps of a quarter
or more per gallon all over the place. Long lines and shortages. It's
all so '70s. <g>
I still don't think you know you're born on the price of petrol /
diesel. The average price for unleaded in the UK is 90.2p a litre, and
just under 94p for diesel. i.e about USD 6.50 a gallon. So I can't say
I'm terribly sympathetic on this.
Then again, the high price you pay is due to high taxes, some of which
is at least going to benefit you and other British citizens. So you're
getting some of it back, and if you weren't paying it at the pump,
you'd be paying it somewhere else. The money we pay all goes to make
people like Bush richer, and we don't see jack from it, as but a small
percentage of it is taxes. Meanwhile, Bush has just given a $15 billion
dollar subsidy to the oil industry so they can find more oil and end
the shortage...like they want to end the shortage they've induced.
Sean C
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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02 Sep 2005 03:56:05 AM |
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:24:32 -0400 the ET form known as Sean
C<redhawk@burnspammersalive.com> sent a radio signal across the vast
expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
In article <u71eh1dl95q0r7almujagi9cbnott8qca3@4ax.com>, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 1 Sep 2005 04:56:20 -0700 in alt.atheism,
() said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
$3 per gallon national minimum happening right now. Jumps of a quarter
or more per gallon all over the place. Long lines and shortages. It's
all so '70s. <g>
I still don't think you know you're born on the price of petrol /
diesel. The average price for unleaded in the UK is 90.2p a litre, and
just under 94p for diesel. i.e about USD 6.50 a gallon. So I can't say
I'm terribly sympathetic on this.
Then again, the high price you pay is due to high taxes, some of which
is at least going to benefit you and other British citizens. So you're
getting some of it back, and if you weren't paying it at the pump,
you'd be paying it somewhere else. The money we pay all goes to make
people like Bush richer, and we don't see jack from it, as but a small
percentage of it is taxes. Meanwhile, Bush has just given a $15 billion
dollar subsidy to the oil industry so they can find more oil and end
the shortage...like they want to end the shortage they've induced.
Not entirely. I don't like the oil majors any more than anyone else
but current high prices have a geological component. There is less
light sweet crude being produced since 2000 and the increase in crude
production since 2000 has been in heavy sour grades. The problem for
American refineries is that they prefer light sweet.
Sour means high sulphur content which is bad for the environment and
also corrodes refinery equipment when it bonds with hydrogen to become
an acid. Heavy means long hydrocarbon molecules and low fluidity.
Heavy crude also produces a lower volume of refined products per
barrel because the heavy hydrocarbons have to be cracked and that
demands extra hydrogen atoms at the end of the cracked molecules. They
come from other hydrocarbon chains thus reducing the volume of
products. To increase the fluidity of heavy oil water is mixed and
because water and oil don't like each other chemicals, which are
recovered at the end, are used to allow them to coexist. That all adds
to the cost and decreases the volume that a refinery can produce. The
drying up of light sweet in recent years is the key to the problem of
US refinery capacity.
There is a good reason why exploration is slow today. They find
insufficient amounts to cover the cost of exploration even in today's
climate of elevated prices. Mergers and takeovers are the preferred
way to for an oil company to increase oil reserves. Exploration is a
sure way to burn money. This is an excellent article on the increasing
costs of the oil industry. (http://tinyurl.com/aqtru). A pretty good
rebuttal of the idea that higher oil prices will encourage more
exploration and production because higher oil prices translate into
higher energy costs of doing everything - including oil exploration
and production.
--
Remove YOUR_SHOES before replying
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they themselves
were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors were dead and in
Hell.
-Mencken
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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02 Sep 2005 03:42:36 AM |
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On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 18:26:05 +0930 in alt.atheism, Meteorite Debris
(Meteorite Debris <epicurus1@YOUR_SHOESoptusnet.com.au>) said,
directing the reply to alt.atheism
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:24:32 -0400 the ET form known as Sean
C<redhawk@burnspammersalive.com> sent a radio signal across the vast
expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
In article <u71eh1dl95q0r7almujagi9cbnott8qca3@4ax.com>, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 1 Sep 2005 04:56:20 -0700 in alt.atheism,
() said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
$3 per gallon national minimum happening right now. Jumps of a quarter
or more per gallon all over the place. Long lines and shortages. It's
all so '70s. <g>
I still don't think you know you're born on the price of petrol /
diesel. The average price for unleaded in the UK is 90.2p a litre, and
just under 94p for diesel. i.e about USD 6.50 a gallon. So I can't say
I'm terribly sympathetic on this.
Then again, the high price you pay is due to high taxes, some of which
is at least going to benefit you and other British citizens. So you're
getting some of it back, and if you weren't paying it at the pump,
you'd be paying it somewhere else. The money we pay all goes to make
people like Bush richer, and we don't see jack from it, as but a small
percentage of it is taxes. Meanwhile, Bush has just given a $15 billion
dollar subsidy to the oil industry so they can find more oil and end
the shortage...like they want to end the shortage they've induced.
Not entirely. I don't like the oil majors any more than anyone else
but current high prices have a geological component. There is less
light sweet crude being produced since 2000 and the increase in crude
production since 2000 has been in heavy sour grades. The problem for
American refineries is that they prefer light sweet.
Well yes, *but*
In the UK, if a litre of unleaded petrol costs 85p, 21.7p will be the
production costs and profit, around 51p will be duty and 12.5p will be
VAT on top of all that.
Sour means high sulphur content which is bad for the environment and
also corrodes refinery equipment when it bonds with hydrogen to become
an acid. Heavy means long hydrocarbon molecules and low fluidity.
Heavy crude also produces a lower volume of refined products per
barrel because the heavy hydrocarbons have to be cracked and that
demands extra hydrogen atoms at the end of the cracked molecules. They
come from other hydrocarbon chains thus reducing the volume of
products. To increase the fluidity of heavy oil water is mixed and
because water and oil don't like each other chemicals, which are
recovered at the end, are used to allow them to coexist. That all adds
to the cost and decreases the volume that a refinery can produce. The
drying up of light sweet in recent years is the key to the problem of
US refinery capacity.
There is a good reason why exploration is slow today. They find
insufficient amounts to cover the cost of exploration even in today's
climate of elevated prices. Mergers and takeovers are the preferred
way to for an oil company to increase oil reserves. Exploration is a
sure way to burn money. This is an excellent article on the increasing
costs of the oil industry. (http://tinyurl.com/aqtru). A pretty good
rebuttal of the idea that higher oil prices will encourage more
exploration and production because higher oil prices translate into
higher energy costs of doing everything - including oil exploration
and production.
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
#442. Want food NOW? Then try http://www.rtios.co.uk/
- Yep, currently under test... Your opinion welcome.
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| User: "stoney" |
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03 Sep 2005 11:06:37 AM |
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:24:32 -0400, Sean C
<redhawk@burnspammersalive.com> wrote:
In article <u71eh1dl95q0r7almujagi9cbnott8qca3@4ax.com>, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 1 Sep 2005 04:56:20 -0700 in alt.atheism,
() said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
$3 per gallon national minimum happening right now. Jumps of a quarter
or more per gallon all over the place. Long lines and shortages. It's
all so '70s. <g>
I still don't think you know you're born on the price of petrol /
diesel. The average price for unleaded in the UK is 90.2p a litre, and
just under 94p for diesel. i.e about USD 6.50 a gallon. So I can't say
I'm terribly sympathetic on this.
Then again, the high price you pay is due to high taxes, some of which
is at least going to benefit you and other British citizens. So you're
getting some of it back, and if you weren't paying it at the pump,
you'd be paying it somewhere else. The money we pay all goes to make
people like Bush richer, and we don't see jack from it, as but a small
percentage of it is taxes. Meanwhile, Bush has just given a $15 billion
dollar subsidy to the oil industry so they can find more oil and end
the shortage...like they want to end the shortage they've induced.
Hehehehehh
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Uncle Buck" |
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01 Sep 2005 09:08:09 PM |
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 14:59:27 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 1 Sep 2005 04:56:20 -0700 in alt.atheism,
() said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
$3 per gallon national minimum happening right now. Jumps of a quarter
or more per gallon all over the place. Long lines and shortages. It's
all so '70s. <g>
I still don't think you know you're born on the price of petrol /
diesel. The average price for unleaded in the UK is 90.2p a litre, and
just under 94p for diesel. i.e about USD 6.50 a gallon. So I can't say
I'm terribly sympathetic on this.
Given the conditions you guys have to drive in, I don't begrudge you
your bitterness. I'd be bitter, too. ;-)
--
L8r,
Uncle Buck
_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=
http://surrenderingtothefall.blogspot.com
~=O-o_~=O-o_~=O-o_~=O-o_~=O-o_~=O-o_~=O-o
"I absolutely detest it when people quote
themselves." - Me
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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01 Sep 2005 06:22:24 PM |
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On the auspictious date of Thu, 01 Sep 2005 19:08:09 -0700, Uncle Buck
said unto the multitude in message-id
<6vcfh1p5qe24ccu9cp8v7acn2qp4bfa1gn@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 14:59:27 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 1 Sep 2005 04:56:20 -0700 in alt.atheism,
() said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
$3 per gallon national minimum happening right now. Jumps of a quarter
or more per gallon all over the place. Long lines and shortages. It's
all so '70s. <g>
I still don't think you know you're born on the price of petrol /
diesel. The average price for unleaded in the UK is 90.2p a litre, and
just under 94p for diesel. i.e about USD 6.50 a gallon. So I can't say
I'm terribly sympathetic on this.
Given the conditions you guys have to drive in, I don't begrudge you
your bitterness. I'd be bitter, too. ;-)
Very odd fact: there are more convertibles as a percentage of cars in
the UK than anywhere else in Europe.
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| User: "Apostate" |
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01 Sep 2005 07:54:45 PM |
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 23:22:24 GMT, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On the auspictious date of Thu, 01 Sep 2005 19:08:09 -0700, Uncle Buck
said unto the multitude in message-id
<6vcfh1p5qe24ccu9cp8v7acn2qp4bfa1gn@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 14:59:27 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 1 Sep 2005 04:56:20 -0700 in alt.atheism,
() said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
$3 per gallon national minimum happening right now. Jumps of a quarter
or more per gallon all over the place. Long lines and shortages. It's
all so '70s. <g>
I still don't think you know you're born on the price of petrol /
diesel. The average price for unleaded in the UK is 90.2p a litre, and
just under 94p for diesel. i.e about USD 6.50 a gallon. So I can't say
I'm terribly sympathetic on this.
Given the conditions you guys have to drive in, I don't begrudge you
your bitterness. I'd be bitter, too. ;-)
Very odd fact: there are more convertibles as a percentage of cars in
the UK than anywhere else in Europe.
You have to live up to James Bond, The Prisoner, (what did Steed drive?)
--
/Apostate
alt.atheist #1931 I've found it!
BAAWA Knife AND SMASHer
EAC Supernumerary Deputy Director, Department of Redundancy Department
plonked by Lani_girl, first post; Billions Served!
I doubt, therefore I might be.
"Mr. Worf, set phasers on "***** You" and fire at will."
. -- Doc Smartass
e-mail to lower-case only
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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01 Sep 2005 08:38:15 PM |
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In article <1125623646.99ad9fd0f04731da681623f2f5eb0de8
@teranews>, Apostate said...
You have to live up to James Bond, The Prisoner,
....not to mention Cliff Richard. ;-)
(what did Steed drive?)
Mrs. Peel, of course.
--
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "stoney" |
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05 Sep 2005 06:25:02 PM |
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On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 21:38:15 -0400, Brian E. Clark
<reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote:
In article <1125623646.99ad9fd0f04731da681623f2f5eb0de8
@teranews>, Apostate said...
You have to live up to James Bond, The Prisoner,
...not to mention Cliff Richard. ;-)
(what did Steed drive?)
Mrs. Peel, of course.
hehehe...gmta.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "John Baker" |
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01 Sep 2005 08:36:42 PM |
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 20:54:45 -0400, Apostate
<apostate.invalid.still@yeehaw.org> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 23:22:24 GMT, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On the auspictious date of Thu, 01 Sep 2005 19:08:09 -0700, Uncle Buck
said unto the multitude in message-id
<6vcfh1p5qe24ccu9cp8v7acn2qp4bfa1gn@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 14:59:27 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 1 Sep 2005 04:56:20 -0700 in alt.atheism,
() said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
$3 per gallon national minimum happening right now. Jumps of a quarter
or more per gallon all over the place. Long lines and shortages. It's
all so '70s. <g>
I still don't think you know you're born on the price of petrol /
diesel. The average price for unleaded in the UK is 90.2p a litre, and
just under 94p for diesel. i.e about USD 6.50 a gallon. So I can't say
I'm terribly sympathetic on this.
Given the conditions you guys have to drive in, I don't begrudge you
your bitterness. I'd be bitter, too. ;-)
Very odd fact: there are more convertibles as a percentage of cars in
the UK than anywhere else in Europe.
You have to live up to James Bond, The Prisoner, (what did Steed drive?)
A vintage Bentley.
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| User: "stoney" |
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05 Sep 2005 06:24:45 PM |
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 20:54:45 -0400, Apostate
<apostate.invalid.still@yeehaw.org> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 23:22:24 GMT, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On the auspictious date of Thu, 01 Sep 2005 19:08:09 -0700, Uncle Buck
said unto the multitude in message-id
<6vcfh1p5qe24ccu9cp8v7acn2qp4bfa1gn@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 14:59:27 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 1 Sep 2005 04:56:20 -0700 in alt.atheism,
() said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
$3 per gallon national minimum happening right now. Jumps of a quarter
or more per gallon all over the place. Long lines and shortages. It's
all so '70s. <g>
I still don't think you know you're born on the price of petrol /
diesel. The average price for unleaded in the UK is 90.2p a litre, and
just under 94p for diesel. i.e about USD 6.50 a gallon. So I can't say
I'm terribly sympathetic on this.
Given the conditions you guys have to drive in, I don't begrudge you
your bitterness. I'd be bitter, too. ;-)
Very odd fact: there are more convertibles as a percentage of cars in
the UK than anywhere else in Europe.
You have to live up to James Bond, The Prisoner, (what did Steed drive?)
Diana Rigg! ;)
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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01 Sep 2005 11:36:08 AM |
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 14:59:27 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 1 Sep 2005 04:56:20 -0700 in alt.atheism,
() said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
$3 per gallon national minimum happening right now. Jumps of a quarter
or more per gallon all over the place. Long lines and shortages. It's
all so '70s. <g>
I still don't think you know you're born on the price of petrol /
diesel. The average price for unleaded in the UK is 90.2p a litre, and
just under 94p for diesel. i.e about USD 6.50 a gallon. So I can't say
I'm terribly sympathetic on this.
That's why this ex-pat doesn't moan too much about gas/petrol.
However nobody has mentioned heating oil. This winter is going to be
expensive. Last winter I had a fixed price of $1.59, The previous
winter 1.19. This one will be $2.69. And you use a lot of that in the
New England winters than you do gas/petrol.
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| User: "" |
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01 Sep 2005 12:27:56 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
However nobody has mentioned heating oil. This winter is going to be
expensive. Last winter I had a fixed price of $1.59, The previous
winter 1.19. This one will be $2.69. And you use a lot of that in the
New England winters than you do gas/petrol.
I managed a lock just under that, and was happy to get
it. And yes, higher prices do impel conservation - I'm
heading out to Home Depot this weekend to pick up a
programmable thermostat to replace the decades-old
unit that came with my house. Upstate New York winters
get a wee bit chilly as well.
Of course, that's why I have a gigantic sweater and
quilt collection.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "stoney" |
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03 Sep 2005 11:05:56 AM |
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On 1 Sep 2005 10:27:56 -0700, wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
However nobody has mentioned heating oil. This winter is going to be
expensive. Last winter I had a fixed price of $1.59, The previous
winter 1.19. This one will be $2.69. And you use a lot of that in the
New England winters than you do gas/petrol.
I managed a lock just under that, and was happy to get
it. And yes, higher prices do impel conservation - I'm
heading out to Home Depot this weekend to pick up a
programmable thermostat to replace the decades-old
unit that came with my house. Upstate New York winters
get a wee bit chilly as well.
Don't forget to clean or replace your furnace air filter(s) on a
preferably monthly or six week basis.
Of course, that's why I have a gigantic sweater and
quilt collection.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: OT: And away we go! |
05 Sep 2005 11:41:34 AM |
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stoney wrote:
On 1 Sep 2005 10:27:56 -0700, wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
However nobody has mentioned heating oil. This winter is going to be
expensive. Last winter I had a fixed price of $1.59, The previous
winter 1.19. This one will be $2.69. And you use a lot of that in the
New England winters than you do gas/petrol.
I managed a lock just under that, and was happy to get
it. And yes, higher prices do impel conservation - I'm
heading out to Home Depot this weekend to pick up a
programmable thermostat to replace the decades-old
unit that came with my house. Upstate New York winters
get a wee bit chilly as well.
Don't forget to clean or replace your furnace air filter(s) on a
preferably monthly or six week basis.
Gotcha there. I've been thinking of replacing my furnace
with a gas model, but I'm having trouble working out the
ROI, what with NG pricing around my area being a little
unstable lately.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "stoney" |
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07 Sep 2005 07:39:22 PM |
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On 5 Sep 2005 09:41:34 -0700, wrote:
stoney wrote:
On 1 Sep 2005 10:27:56 -0700, wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
However nobody has mentioned heating oil. This winter is going to be
expensive. Last winter I had a fixed price of $1.59, The previous
winter 1.19. This one will be $2.69. And you use a lot of that in the
New England winters than you do gas/petrol.
I managed a lock just under that, and was happy to get
it. And yes, higher prices do impel conservation - I'm
heading out to Home Depot this weekend to pick up a
programmable thermostat to replace the decades-old
unit that came with my house. Upstate New York winters
get a wee bit chilly as well.
Don't forget to clean or replace your furnace air filter(s) on a
preferably monthly or six week basis.
Gotcha there. I've been thinking of replacing my furnace
with a gas model, but I'm having trouble working out the
ROI, what with NG pricing around my area being a little
unstable lately.
And even more unstable coming up. :\
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Sean C" |
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01 Sep 2005 02:34:44 PM |
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In article <g8beh1dci50hn872klr26vsucv5sffi85g@4ax.com>, Christopher A.
Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 14:59:27 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 1 Sep 2005 04:56:20 -0700 in alt.atheism,
() said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
$3 per gallon national minimum happening right now. Jumps of a quarter
or more per gallon all over the place. Long lines and shortages. It's
all so '70s. <g>
I still don't think you know you're born on the price of petrol /
diesel. The average price for unleaded in the UK is 90.2p a litre, and
just under 94p for diesel. i.e about USD 6.50 a gallon. So I can't say
I'm terribly sympathetic on this.
That's why this ex-pat doesn't moan too much about gas/petrol.
However nobody has mentioned heating oil. This winter is going to be
expensive. Last winter I had a fixed price of $1.59, The previous
winter 1.19. This one will be $2.69. And you use a lot of that in the
New England winters than you do gas/petrol.
Get a wood-burning stove. It's a bit of work to keep it stoked with
wood--mine burns up about a garbage can full of wood a day--but I use
about $50-$75.00 worth of wood a month to keep the place heated to 75
degrees . I have a small two-bedroom chalet. In months wehere I just
used the electric heat, my bill is over $300.00 a month to keep the
place at a chilly 50 degrees.
Sean C
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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02 Sep 2005 03:28:21 AM |
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 12:36:08 -0400 the ET form known as Christopher A.
Lee<calee@optonline.net> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse
of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 14:59:27 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 1 Sep 2005 04:56:20 -0700 in alt.atheism,
() said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
$3 per gallon national minimum happening right now. Jumps of a quarter
or more per gallon all over the place. Long lines and shortages. It's
all so '70s. <g>
I still don't think you know you're born on the price of petrol /
diesel. The average price for unleaded in the UK is 90.2p a litre, and
just under 94p for diesel. i.e about USD 6.50 a gallon. So I can't say
I'm terribly sympathetic on this.
That's why this ex-pat doesn't moan too much about gas/petrol.
However nobody has mentioned heating oil. This winter is going to be
expensive. Last winter I had a fixed price of $1.59, The previous
winter 1.19. This one will be $2.69. And you use a lot of that in the
New England winters than you do gas/petrol.
Brings on memories of the "winter of discontent" in the UK in 73-74.
--
Remove YOUR_SHOES before replying
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they themselves
were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors were dead and in
Hell.
-Mencken
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: OT: And away we go! |
02 Sep 2005 04:05:50 AM |
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On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:58:21 +0930 in alt.atheism, Meteorite Debris
(Meteorite Debris <epicurus1@YOUR_SHOESoptusnet.com.au>) said,
directing the reply to alt.atheism
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 12:36:08 -0400 the ET form known as Christopher A.
Lee<calee@optonline.net> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse
of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 14:59:27 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 1 Sep 2005 04:56:20 -0700 in alt.atheism,
() said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
$3 per gallon national minimum happening right now. Jumps of a quarter
or more per gallon all over the place. Long lines and shortages. It's
all so '70s. <g>
I still don't think you know you're born on the price of petrol /
diesel. The average price for unleaded in the UK is 90.2p a litre, and
just under 94p for diesel. i.e about USD 6.50 a gallon. So I can't say
I'm terribly sympathetic on this.
That's why this ex-pat doesn't moan too much about gas/petrol.
However nobody has mentioned heating oil. This winter is going to be
expensive. Last winter I had a fixed price of $1.59, The previous
winter 1.19. This one will be $2.69. And you use a lot of that in the
New England winters than you do gas/petrol.
Brings on memories of the "winter of discontent" in the UK in 73-74.
Jesus, to coin a phrase, I *remember* that.
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| User: "JPG" |
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| Title: Re: OT: And away we go! |
01 Sep 2005 09:28:27 AM |
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 14:59:27 +0100, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com>
wrote:
On 1 Sep 2005 04:56:20 -0700 in alt.atheism,
() said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
$3 per gallon national minimum happening right now. Jumps of a quarter
or more per gallon all over the place. Long lines and shortages. It's
all so '70s. <g>
I still don't think you know you're born on the price of petrol /
diesel. The average price for unleaded in the UK is 90.2p a litre, and
just under 94p for diesel. i.e about USD 6.50 a gallon. So I can't say
I'm terribly sympathetic on this.
This picture is really amazing:
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/BUSINESS/09/01/oil.fears.reut/index.html
I mean... yikes!
Well, that's the free market for you, particularly given that the
price rises anticipate shortages rather than reflecting their
actuality, i.e. they're charging the prices they may have to pay in
the future to replace goods they've already paid for.
Still I suppose it's a perfect illustration of money as a form of
ration ticket, though perhaps the distribution system could use some
work...
If it makes Americans think about smaller cars and conserving oil rather than
burning it all in giant SUVs and so on then I suppose it can only be a good
thing globally, but obviously tough on Americans who have got used to
ridiculously cheap fuel.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: OT: And away we go! |
01 Sep 2005 10:24:46 AM |
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:28:27 +0100 in alt.atheism, JPG (JPG
<me@privacy.net>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 14:59:27 +0100, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com>
wrote:
On 1 Sep 2005 04:56:20 -0700 in alt.atheism,
() said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
$3 per gallon national minimum happening right now. Jumps of a quarter
or more per gallon all over the place. Long lines and shortages. It's
all so '70s. <g>
I still don't think you know you're born on the price of petrol /
diesel. The average price for unleaded in the UK is 90.2p a litre, and
just under 94p for diesel. i.e about USD 6.50 a gallon. So I can't say
I'm terribly sympathetic on this.
This picture is really amazing:
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/BUSINESS/09/01/oil.fears.reut/index.html
I mean... yikes!
Well, that's the free market for you, particularly given that the
price rises anticipate shortages rather than reflecting their
actuality, i.e. they're charging the prices they may have to pay in
the future to replace goods they've already paid for.
Still I suppose it's a perfect illustration of money as a form of
ration ticket, though perhaps the distribution system could use some
work...
If it makes Americans think about smaller cars and conserving oil rather than
burning it all in giant SUVs and so on then I suppose it can only be a good
thing globally, but obviously tough on Americans who have got used to
ridiculously cheap fuel.
Apparently it's much cheaper in Venezuela. Fill your tank for a
dollar!
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| User: "Panama Floyd" |
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01 Sep 2005 12:11:11 PM |
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JPG wrote:
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 14:59:27 +0100, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com>
wrote:
On 1 Sep 2005 04:56:20 -0700 in alt.atheism,
() said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
$3 per gallon national minimum happening right now. Jumps of a quarter
or more per gallon all over the place. Long lines and shortages. It's
all so '70s. <g>
I still don't think you know you're born on the price of petrol /
diesel. The average price for unleaded in the UK is 90.2p a litre, and
just under 94p for diesel. i.e about USD 6.50 a gallon. So I can't say
I'm terribly sympathetic on this.
This picture is really amazing:
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/BUSINESS/09/01/oil.fears.reut/index.html
I mean... yikes!
Well, that's the free market for you, particularly given that the
price rises anticipate shortages rather than reflecting their
actuality, i.e. they're charging the prices they may have to pay in
the future to replace goods they've already paid for.
Still I suppose it's a perfect illustration of money as a form of
ration ticket, though perhaps the distribution system could use some
work...
If it makes Americans think about smaller cars and conserving oil rather than
burning it all in giant SUVs and so on then I suppose it can only be a good
thing globally, but obviously tough on Americans who have got used to
ridiculously cheap fuel.
Heh, heh. I drive a `92 VW Golf Mk.2. I'm getting just about 26mpg in
`mixed' driving, and it's my own fault it's *that* low-I haven't
dragged my lazy butt out to tune it up since summer started.
I hate to say it, but I'm loving this. Watching the owner of the SUV
next to me searching the glove box for extra change while I pick up the
premium grade handle. Their eyes grow wide..<g>
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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| Title: Re: OT: And away we go! |
02 Sep 2005 03:25:38 AM |
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:28:27 +0100 the ET form known as
JPG<me@privacy.net> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse of
deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 14:59:27 +0100, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com>
wrote:
On 1 Sep 2005 04:56:20 -0700 in alt.atheism,
() said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
$3 per gallon national minimum happening right now. Jumps of a quarter
or more per gallon all over the place. Long lines and shortages. It's
all so '70s. <g>
I still don't think you know you're born on the price of petrol /
diesel. The average price for unleaded in the UK is 90.2p a litre, and
just under 94p for diesel. i.e about USD 6.50 a gallon. So I can't say
I'm terribly sympathetic on this.
This picture is really amazing:
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/BUSINESS/09/01/oil.fears.reut/index.html
I mean... yikes!
Well, that's the free market for you, particularly given that the
price rises anticipate shortages rather than reflecting their
actuality, i.e. they're charging the prices they may have to pay in
the future to replace goods they've already paid for.
Still I suppose it's a perfect illustration of money as a form of
ration ticket, though perhaps the distribution system could use some
work...
If it makes Americans think about smaller cars and conserving oil rather than
burning it all in giant SUVs and so on then I suppose it can only be a good
thing globally, but obviously tough on Americans who have got used to
ridiculously cheap fuel.
In Aus petrol is now $AU1.30/litre.
--
Remove YOUR_SHOES before replying
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they themselves
were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors were dead and in
Hell.
-Mencken
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| User: "John Baker" |
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01 Sep 2005 12:18:45 PM |
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:28:27 +0100, JPG <me@privacy.net> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 14:59:27 +0100, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com>
wrote:
On 1 Sep 2005 04:56:20 -0700 in alt.atheism,
() said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
$3 per gallon national minimum happening right now. Jumps of a quarter
or more per gallon all over the place. Long lines and shortages. It's
all so '70s. <g>
I still don't think you know you're born on the price of petrol /
diesel. The average price for unleaded in the UK is 90.2p a litre, and
just under 94p for diesel. i.e about USD 6.50 a gallon. So I can't say
I'm terribly sympathetic on this.
This picture is really amazing:
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/BUSINESS/09/01/oil.fears.reut/index.html
I mean... yikes!
Well, that's the free market for you, particularly given that the
price rises anticipate shortages rather than reflecting their
actuality, i.e. they're charging the prices they may have to pay in
the future to replace goods they've already paid for.
Still I suppose it's a perfect illustration of money as a form of
ration ticket, though perhaps the distribution system could use some
work...
If it makes Americans think about smaller cars and conserving oil rather than
burning it all in giant SUVs and so on then I suppose it can only be a good
thing globally, but obviously tough on Americans who have got used to
ridiculously cheap fuel.
It certainly isn't a good thing for a poor starving musician who has
to travel all over the place.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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01 Sep 2005 08:35:30 PM |
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<Mark.K.Bilbo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125575780.616189.161130@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
$3 per gallon national minimum happening right now. Jumps of a quarter
or more per gallon all over the place. Long lines and shortages. It's
all so '70s. <g>
Thank you, George W. Bush!
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| User: "" |
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02 Sep 2005 05:16:33 AM |
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wrote:
$3 per gallon national minimum happening right now. Jumps of a quarter
or more per gallon all over the place. Long lines and shortages. It's
all so '70s. <g>
This picture is really amazing:
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/BUSINESS/09/01/oil.fears.reut/index.html
I mean... yikes!
Laugh, if you can...
http://images.google.com/images?q=%2Bgas+%2Barm+%2Bleg&hl=en
http://www.rhynecats.com/jokes/Gas/a_Gas.html
Bob Dog
Atheist #153 = 1^3 + 5^3 + 3^3
EAC's chief cook and brainwasher
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"You won't find any opposition to the idea of evolution among
sophisticated, educated theologians. It comes from an
exceedingly retarded, primitive version of religion, which
unfortunately is at present undergoing an epidemic in the
United States."
- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "JPG" |
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01 Sep 2005 09:09:39 AM |
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On 1 Sep 2005 04:56:20 -0700, wrote:
$3 per gallon national minimum happening right now. Jumps of a quarter
or more per gallon all over the place. Long lines and shortages. It's
all so '70s. <g>
This picture is really amazing:
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/BUSINESS/09/01/oil.fears.reut/index.html
I mean... yikes!
Mark
I see a sudden interest in Smart cars coming along.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5217861/
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| User: "stoney" |
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03 Sep 2005 11:07:52 AM |
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:09:39 +0100, JPG <me@privacy.net> wrote:
On 1 Sep 2005 04:56:20 -0700, wrote:
$3 per gallon national minimum happening right now. Jumps of a quarter
or more per gallon all over the place. Long lines and shortages. It's
all so '70s. <g>
This picture is really amazing:
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/BUSINESS/09/01/oil.fears.reut/index.html
I mean... yikes!
Mark
I see a sudden interest in Smart cars coming along.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5217861/
I've been interested in them for years.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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01 Sep 2005 12:15:56 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet (Mark.K.Bilbo@gmail.com) made
the light shine upon us with this:
$3 per gallon national minimum happening right now. Jumps of a quarter
or more per gallon all over the place. Long lines and shortages. It's
all so '70s. <g>
This picture is really amazing:
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/BUSINESS/09/01/oil.fears.reut/index.html
I mean... yikes!
Mark
Which means I could probably get what I paid for each of my motorcycles
soon, and then some!
No, they're not for sale.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/
Plonked by Raytard
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