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"Uncle Clover" |
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17 Feb 2007 12:01:23 PM |
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OT: Another physics query |
The universe as we know it appears to be "digital" - i.e., ocurring in
discreet "packets" rather than one continuous, intermingling ocean of energy.
I'm referring to planck units, which as I understand it are believed to be the
smallest units of both space and time that can be measured or experienced within
this reality. In string theory as I understand it, some of the extra spacial
dimensions that are believed to be "so small that we can't see them" are that
small because they're smaller than our planck units, which means essentially
that they don't really exist within our frame of reference.
Is there a current theory of physics - perhaps even just speculation
about some hypothetical reality other than our own - in which there -is- no
smallest unit of either time or space within that given reality's frame of
reference?
The reason I ask goes back to one of my own quirky, eccentric beliefs
about the world - that the world as we know it is a simulation ocurring in a
world that's probably a bit different, perhaps even very different. Like the
difference between the Sim's world and our own. For this to be true, the most
stable method of creating such a simulation seems to me to be to use digital
processes. Analog may be possible, but less reliable for such an endeavor.
Planck units to me suggest that reality as we know it is a digital one. It
doesn't make any sense for why that would need to be the case, however. I
should think a "real" world would be able to function just fine with no
"smallest possible scale of units", and so the fact that ours appears not to
suggests to me that something more than simply forming that way is responsible
for -making- it that way. Not a god or anything, just a programmer - or perhaps
even an entire civilization of them.
Thus, my reasoning for inquiring about hypothetical "analog physics" -
if the topic were delved into with serious effort, it well -could- yield insight
capable of revealing the truth as to whether this universe is (or "could be") a
program, or whether a natural reality should be able to emerge as a digital one.
It also makes me wonder if the notion of strings hasn't been approached from
such a speculative perspective - that they're actually the bits & bytes of the
system upon which our reality is being simulated.
Just querious, as usual. And also as usual, I don't expect to be correct, but
it can never hurt to ask.
--
L8r,
Uncle Clover
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Every birth carries within
it the seed of its own
demise
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The world would be a much
better place if everyone
would learn to sit down,
shut up and just *BE*
once in awhile....<
__________________________
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Blog: "Family - The Binds That Tie"
http://bindsthattie.blogspot.com/
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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| Title: Re: Another physics query |
17 Feb 2007 01:32:51 PM |
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"Uncle Clover" <UncleClover@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
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Planck units to me suggest that reality as we know it is a digital one.
It
doesn't make any sense for why that would need to be the case, however.
From my POV, an analog reality is not logically possible.
I should think a "real" world would be able to function just fine with no
"smallest possible scale of units", and so the fact that ours appears not
to
suggests to me that something more than simply forming that way is
responsible
for -making- it that way. Not a god or anything, just a programmer - or
perhaps
even an entire civilization of them.
If reality were analog then any given location, measurement, etc. could be
specified with unlimited precision. However, unlimited precision requires an
unlimited amount of information.
There is a fundamental connection between information and energy, which is
expressed by Planck's constant of action. An unlimited amount of information
implies an unlimited amount of energy. Since our reality appears to be
finite then both energy and information must also be finite, which then
rules out the analog scenario.
Regards,
Josef
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| User: "Jim Roberts" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Another physics query |
17 Feb 2007 02:50:11 PM |
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On 17 Feb, 18:01, Uncle Clover <UncleClo...@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
The universe as we know it appears to be "digital" - i.e., ocurring in
discreet "packets" rather than one continuous, intermingling ocean of energy.
I'm referring to planck units, which as I understand it are believed to be the
smallest units of both space and time that can be measured or experienced within
this reality. In string theory as I understand it, some of the extra spacial
dimensions that are believed to be "so small that we can't see them" are that
small because they're smaller than our planck units, which means essentially
that they don't really exist within our frame of reference.
Is there a current theory of physics - perhaps even just speculation
about some hypothetical reality other than our own - in which there -is- no
smallest unit of either time or space within that given reality's frame of
reference?
The reason I ask goes back to one of my own quirky, eccentric beliefs
about the world - that the world as we know it is a simulation ocurring in a
world that's probably a bit different, perhaps even very different. Like the
difference between the Sim's world and our own. For this to be true, the most
stable method of creating such a simulation seems to me to be to use digital
processes. Analog may be possible, but less reliable for such an endeavor.
Planck units to me suggest that reality as we know it is a digital one. It
doesn't make any sense for why that would need to be the case, however. I
should think a "real" world would be able to function just fine with no
"smallest possible scale of units", and so the fact that ours appears not to
suggests to me that something more than simply forming that way is responsible
for -making- it that way. Not a god or anything, just a programmer - or perhaps
even an entire civilization of them.
Thus, my reasoning for inquiring about hypothetical "analog physics" -
if the topic were delved into with serious effort, it well -could- yield insight
capable of revealing the truth as to whether this universe is (or "could be") a
program, or whether a natural reality should be able to emerge as a digital one.
It also makes me wonder if the notion of strings hasn't been approached from
such a speculative perspective - that they're actually the bits & bytes of the
system upon which our reality is being simulated.
Just querious, as usual. And also as usual, I don't expect to be correct, but
it can never hurt to ask.
--
L8r,
Uncle Clover
__________________________
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Every birth carries within
it the seed of its own
demise
__________________________
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>The world would be a much
better place if everyone
would learn to sit down,
shut up and just *BE*
once in awhile....<
__________________________
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Blog: "Family - The Binds That Tie"http://bindsthattie.blogspot.com/
The Universe we know and see is within the realm of Countable Infinity
If a set A has the same cardinality as N (the natural numbers), then
we say that A is countable.
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| User: "David Schwartz" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Another physics query |
17 Feb 2007 02:45:31 PM |
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On Feb 17, 10:01 am, Uncle Clover <UncleClo...@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
Is there a current theory of physics - perhaps even just speculation
about some hypothetical reality other than our own - in which there -is- no
smallest unit of either time or space within that given reality's frame of
reference?
This is impossible. One cannot complete an infinite number of steps in
actual reality and then go on and do a few more steps.
DS
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