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01 Oct 2004 01:58:59 AM |
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OT: Anti-Gay Marriage Amendment Dies in House |
The checks n' balances system at work...
Godfrey
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/430261|top|09-30-2004::19:28|reuters.html
By Thomas Ferraro
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. House of Representatives failed on
Thursday to muster the two-thirds majority needed to pass a proposed
constitutional amendment backed by President Bush to ban gay marriage.
The largely party-line vote in the Republican-led House was 227-186,
49 votes short of what was required for approval.
In July, Democratic-led foes blocked a similar measure in the
100-member Senate where proponents failed to get even a simple
majority against a procedural hurdle.
Backers of the proposed amendment predicted the twin setbacks would
help showcase the issue in the Nov. 2 congressional elections.
"This is going to be huge," said House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, a
Texas Republican, promising to bring the proposal back up for a vote
next year. "The American people need to know where their
representatives stand."
Democrats charged that Republicans have pushed the measure, along with
other doomed "wedge" measures, merely to divide voters and rally
social conservatives.
"This is a partisan exercise to distract the American people from the
(congressional) Republicans' record of failure," said House Minority
Leader Nancy Pelosi, a California Democrat.
Polls show most Americans oppose gay marriage but are split on whether
a constitutional amendment is needed. Surveys also find voters
consider many other issues far more important.
For a proposed constitutional amendment to become law, it must be
approved by two-thirds of the House and Senate and then ratified by 38
of the 50 states.
LEAVE IT UP TO STATES?
Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry and his vice presidential
running mate, Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, oppose gay
marriage. Yet like most fellow Democrats in Congress, they favor
leaving the matter to individual states.
Vice President ***** Cheney, who has a lesbian daughter, has said he
also believes states should decide whether to sanction same-sex
marriages, but that Bush sets the administration's positions.
Bush and other proponents of a constitutional amendment argue that gay
marriages devalue traditional marriages, and should be banned for the
sake of children.
They also contend that a constitutional amendment would prevent
"activist" judges and local officials from defying the will of the
people by permitting same-sex marriages.
Bush in February called on Congress to approve an amendment to outlaw
gay marriage after Massachusetts' highest court ruled gay couples had
a right to wed and San Francisco began issuing marriage licenses to
same-sex couples.
This helped trigger a wave of lawsuits, some challenging the right of
one state to refuse to recognize a same-sex marriage that was licensed
in another.
Shortly before the House vote, Rep. Barney Frank, a Massachusetts
Democrat and an acknowledged homosexual, spoke against the proposal,
telling colleagues: "We feel love. We feel it in a different way than
you."
Why, Frank asked, is gay marriage "an assault on you?" Said Frank,
"What is it you are protecting yourself against? How do we threaten
you?"
DeLay replied: "I have utmost respect for the gentleman from
Massachusetts and I respect his feelings."
"But what this amendment is about is children," DeLay said, "having
children, raising children and the ideal of marriage between one man
and one woman."
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| User: "MarkA" |
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01 Oct 2004 08:48:06 AM |
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On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 06:58:59 +0000, Godfrey wrote:
The checks n' balances system at work...
Godfrey
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/430261|top|09-30-2004::19:28|reuters.html
By Thomas Ferraro
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. House of Representatives failed on
Thursday to muster the two-thirds majority needed to pass a proposed
constitutional amendment backed by President Bush to ban gay marriage.
<snip>
I hope it helps people to realize that a bunch of religious fundamentalist
hypocritical twits are running this country.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Anti-Gay Marriage Amendment Dies in House |
01 Oct 2004 09:22:48 AM |
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On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 13:48:06 +0000 in episode
<pan.2004.10.01.13.50.58.928770@stopspam.net> we saw our hero MarkA
<manthony@stopspam.net>:
On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 06:58:59 +0000, Godfrey wrote:
The checks n' balances system at work...
Godfrey
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/430261|top|09-30-2004::19:28|reuters.html
By Thomas Ferraro
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. House of Representatives failed on
Thursday to muster the two-thirds majority needed to pass a proposed
constitutional amendment backed by President Bush to ban gay marriage.
<snip>
I hope it helps people to realize that a bunch of religious fundamentalist
hypocritical twits are running this country.
Nah, it just lets the scum run on "I tried to do the wheel of the lard but
satanic Democrats stopped me!" platform. That *was the point after all.
I notice, by the way, Congress is going to adjourn without bothering with
actual issues such as drug re-importation (supported by some 70% of the
public). That way, they don't have to go into an election year having just
cast a vote in favor of massive pharmaceutical corporation CEO bonuses and
against grandma getting her medicines.
Truly Christlike bunch they are. Feeding the sated, clothing the Gucci
wearing, housing the mansion owning...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Andrew Lias" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Anti-Gay Marriage Amendment Dies in House |
01 Oct 2004 10:39:03 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 13:48:06 +0000 in episode
<pan.2004.10.01.13.50.58.928770@stopspam.net> we saw our hero MarkA
<manthony@stopspam.net>:
Nah, it just lets the scum run on "I tried to do the wheel of the
lard but
satanic Democrats stopped me!" platform. That *was the point after
all.
You hit the proverbial nail on the head, sir. Given that the bill
already died in the senate, there was literally no chance that this
could have become law. The only reason to bring it to the floor, as
you so rightly note, was to score political points.
It was, however, amusing to hear DeLay's passionate argument that
allowing gays to marry would, somehow, lead directly to the fall of the
Republic. I'd really love to see that flow-chart.
1. Gay Marriage
2. ?????
3. The collapse of the USA
--
Andrew Lias
http://andrewlias.blogspot.com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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01 Oct 2004 01:36:49 PM |
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On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:39:03 -0700 in episode
<1096645143.210620.193950@h37g2000oda.googlegroups.com> we saw our hero
"Andrew Lias" <anrwlias@gmail.com>:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 13:48:06 +0000 in episode
<pan.2004.10.01.13.50.58.928770@stopspam.net> we saw our hero MarkA
<manthony@stopspam.net>:
Nah, it just lets the scum run on "I tried to do the wheel of the
lard but
satanic Democrats stopped me!" platform. That *was the point after
all.
You hit the proverbial nail on the head, sir. Given that the bill already
died in the senate, there was literally no chance that this could have
become law. The only reason to bring it to the floor, as you so rightly
note, was to score political points.
It was, however, amusing to hear DeLay's passionate argument that allowing
gays to marry would, somehow, lead directly to the fall of the Republic.
I'd really love to see that flow-chart.
1. Gay Marriage
2. ?????
3. The collapse of the USA
The marriage gnomes?
<G>
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Anti-Gay Marriage Amendment Dies in House |
02 Oct 2004 08:19:19 PM |
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On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 13:36:49 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:39:03 -0700 in episode
<1096645143.210620.193950@h37g2000oda.googlegroups.com> we saw our hero
"Andrew Lias" <anrwlias@gmail.com>:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 13:48:06 +0000 in episode
<pan.2004.10.01.13.50.58.928770@stopspam.net> we saw our hero MarkA
<manthony@stopspam.net>:
Nah, it just lets the scum run on "I tried to do the wheel of the
lard but
satanic Democrats stopped me!" platform. That *was the point after
all.
You hit the proverbial nail on the head, sir. Given that the bill already
died in the senate, there was literally no chance that this could have
become law. The only reason to bring it to the floor, as you so rightly
note, was to score political points.
It was, however, amusing to hear DeLay's passionate argument that allowing
gays to marry would, somehow, lead directly to the fall of the Republic.
I'd really love to see that flow-chart.
1. Gay Marriage
2. ?????
3. The collapse of the USA
The marriage gnomes?
<G>
Never leave a gnome alone at home.....
**
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Vote for Bush. Why vote for the lesser of two evils?
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Anti-Gay Marriage Amendment Dies in House |
01 Oct 2004 05:35:00 PM |
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On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 13:48:06 GMT, MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote:
I hope it helps people to realize that a bunch of religious fundamentalist
hypocritical twits are running this country.
You mean the liberals that shut it down?
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Anti-Gay Marriage Amendment Dies in House |
01 Oct 2004 05:48:59 PM |
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In article <armrl01a2k1r3gn5v39gihsii2p6cab5mc@4ax.com> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
<On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 13:48:06 GMT, MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote:
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<>I hope it helps people to realize that a bunch of religious fundamentalist
<>hypocritical twits are running this country.
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<You mean the liberals that shut it down?
Newt was a liberal?
Hey, by today's standards, perhaps he was...
-- cary
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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02 Oct 2004 12:22:34 PM |
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On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:35:00 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> thought
hard and said:
On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 13:48:06 GMT, MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote:
I hope it helps people to realize that a bunch of religious fundamentalist
hypocritical twits are running this country.
You mean the liberals that shut it down?
And what exactly are the Democrats doing, duke?
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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01 Oct 2004 06:23:01 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 13:48:06 GMT, MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote:
I hope it helps people to realize that a bunch of religious fundamentalist
hypocritical twits are running this country.
You mean the liberals that shut it down?
No, the intelligent people that finally figured out that you don't use
The Constitution to legislate morality.
It's simple ducky, if you don't want a gay marriage, don't marry a gay
man. And if you don't like gay people, then stay out of gay bars.
But neither you, nor anyone else, has the right to legislate what two
consenting adults do in the privacy of their own lives.
So, get over it Ducky, you lost.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 ULC Minister
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "duke" |
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01 Oct 2004 05:34:01 PM |
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On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 06:58:59 GMT, Godfrey <No@Email.Provided> wrote:
The checks n' balances system at work...
As admitted, the 'rats believe in queer marriage.
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/430261|top|09-30-2004::19:28|reuters.html
By Thomas Ferraro
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. House of Representatives failed on
Thursday to muster the two-thirds majority needed to pass a proposed
constitutional amendment backed by President Bush to ban gay marriage.
The largely party-line vote in the Republican-led House was 227-186,
49 votes short of what was required for approval.
In July, Democratic-led foes blocked a similar measure in the
100-member Senate where proponents failed to get even a simple
majority against a procedural hurdle.
Backers of the proposed amendment predicted the twin setbacks would
help showcase the issue in the Nov. 2 congressional elections.
"This is going to be huge," said House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, a
Texas Republican, promising to bring the proposal back up for a vote
next year. "The American people need to know where their
representatives stand."
Democrats charged that Republicans have pushed the measure, along with
other doomed "wedge" measures, merely to divide voters and rally
social conservatives.
"This is a partisan exercise to distract the American people from the
(congressional) Republicans' record of failure," said House Minority
Leader Nancy Pelosi, a California Democrat.
Polls show most Americans oppose gay marriage but are split on whether
a constitutional amendment is needed. Surveys also find voters
consider many other issues far more important.
For a proposed constitutional amendment to become law, it must be
approved by two-thirds of the House and Senate and then ratified by 38
of the 50 states.
LEAVE IT UP TO STATES?
Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry and his vice presidential
running mate, Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, oppose gay
marriage. Yet like most fellow Democrats in Congress, they favor
leaving the matter to individual states.
Vice President ***** Cheney, who has a lesbian daughter, has said he
also believes states should decide whether to sanction same-sex
marriages, but that Bush sets the administration's positions.
Bush and other proponents of a constitutional amendment argue that gay
marriages devalue traditional marriages, and should be banned for the
sake of children.
They also contend that a constitutional amendment would prevent
"activist" judges and local officials from defying the will of the
people by permitting same-sex marriages.
Bush in February called on Congress to approve an amendment to outlaw
gay marriage after Massachusetts' highest court ruled gay couples had
a right to wed and San Francisco began issuing marriage licenses to
same-sex couples.
This helped trigger a wave of lawsuits, some challenging the right of
one state to refuse to recognize a same-sex marriage that was licensed
in another.
Shortly before the House vote, Rep. Barney Frank, a Massachusetts
Democrat and an acknowledged homosexual, spoke against the proposal,
telling colleagues: "We feel love. We feel it in a different way than
you."
Why, Frank asked, is gay marriage "an assault on you?" Said Frank,
"What is it you are protecting yourself against? How do we threaten
you?"
DeLay replied: "I have utmost respect for the gentleman from
Massachusetts and I respect his feelings."
"But what this amendment is about is children," DeLay said, "having
children, raising children and the ideal of marriage between one man
and one woman."
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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01 Oct 2004 05:49:30 PM |
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In article <apmrl058kksisfg6isq1adjn3rovjjr3pk@4ax.com> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
<On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 06:58:59 GMT, Godfrey <No@Email.Provided> wrote:
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<>The checks n' balances system at work...
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<As admitted, the 'rats believe in queer marriage.
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Absolutely. To paraphrase the old blues, it ain't nobody's business
if they do.
-- cary
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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02 Oct 2004 12:24:34 PM |
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On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:34:01 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> thought
hard and said:
The checks n' balances system at work...
As admitted, the 'rats believe in queer marriage.
As do non-'rats, too. It is none of the government's business to
dictate who can and cannot marry.
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| User: "Godfrey" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Anti-Gay Marriage Amendment Dies in House |
01 Oct 2004 11:36:20 PM |
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On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:34:01 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 06:58:59 GMT, Godfrey <No@Email.Provided> wrote:
The checks n' balances system at work...
As admitted, the 'rats believe in queer marriage.
So do I, and I'm not a Democrat. I think government exists to protect
us from criminals and foreign enemies, to provide a minimal safety net
for people who cannot help themselves (not provide a welfare state,
however) and to manage infrastructure, among a limited number of other
functions.
I fail to see the necessity for our government to decide who can marry
and who cannot. If two people consent to marry in a nation based on
personal freedom, they should be able to. Even those like yourself,
who apparently believe gay marriage is morally wrong, have yet to
present a compelling reason to give the federal government authority
to prevent two consenting adults from marrying. That it happens to be
against the tenets of your religion is simply not good enough to deny
a small number American citizens the same rights as everyone else.
My opinion is: if you're against gay marriage, don't do it.
Godfrey
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/430261|top|09-30-2004::19:28|reuters.html
By Thomas Ferraro
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. House of Representatives failed on
Thursday to muster the two-thirds majority needed to pass a proposed
constitutional amendment backed by President Bush to ban gay marriage.
The largely party-line vote in the Republican-led House was 227-186,
49 votes short of what was required for approval.
In July, Democratic-led foes blocked a similar measure in the
100-member Senate where proponents failed to get even a simple
majority against a procedural hurdle.
Backers of the proposed amendment predicted the twin setbacks would
help showcase the issue in the Nov. 2 congressional elections.
"This is going to be huge," said House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, a
Texas Republican, promising to bring the proposal back up for a vote
next year. "The American people need to know where their
representatives stand."
Democrats charged that Republicans have pushed the measure, along with
other doomed "wedge" measures, merely to divide voters and rally
social conservatives.
"This is a partisan exercise to distract the American people from the
(congressional) Republicans' record of failure," said House Minority
Leader Nancy Pelosi, a California Democrat.
Polls show most Americans oppose gay marriage but are split on whether
a constitutional amendment is needed. Surveys also find voters
consider many other issues far more important.
For a proposed constitutional amendment to become law, it must be
approved by two-thirds of the House and Senate and then ratified by 38
of the 50 states.
LEAVE IT UP TO STATES?
Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry and his vice presidential
running mate, Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, oppose gay
marriage. Yet like most fellow Democrats in Congress, they favor
leaving the matter to individual states.
Vice President ***** Cheney, who has a lesbian daughter, has said he
also believes states should decide whether to sanction same-sex
marriages, but that Bush sets the administration's positions.
Bush and other proponents of a constitutional amendment argue that gay
marriages devalue traditional marriages, and should be banned for the
sake of children.
They also contend that a constitutional amendment would prevent
"activist" judges and local officials from defying the will of the
people by permitting same-sex marriages.
Bush in February called on Congress to approve an amendment to outlaw
gay marriage after Massachusetts' highest court ruled gay couples had
a right to wed and San Francisco began issuing marriage licenses to
same-sex couples.
This helped trigger a wave of lawsuits, some challenging the right of
one state to refuse to recognize a same-sex marriage that was licensed
in another.
Shortly before the House vote, Rep. Barney Frank, a Massachusetts
Democrat and an acknowledged homosexual, spoke against the proposal,
telling colleagues: "We feel love. We feel it in a different way than
you."
Why, Frank asked, is gay marriage "an assault on you?" Said Frank,
"What is it you are protecting yourself against? How do we threaten
you?"
DeLay replied: "I have utmost respect for the gentleman from
Massachusetts and I respect his feelings."
"But what this amendment is about is children," DeLay said, "having
children, raising children and the ideal of marriage between one man
and one woman."
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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