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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "maff"
Date: 02 Jul 2005 03:32:49 AM
Object: OT: Antoine-Nicolas de Condorcet
A history of ending poverty
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1519560,00.html
Tom Paine's ideas are still ahead of today's campaigners
Gareth Stedman Jones
Saturday July 2, 2005
The Guardian
The idea of "making poverty history" did not begin with Bob Geldof,
Bono or the commitment of rich countries to disburse 0.7% of national
income in development aid. It goes back to the time of the French and
American revolutions towards the end of 18th century and to a
transformation in outlook as momentous as that produced by the
revolutions themselves. A small group of visionaries, the followers of
Tom Paine in England and Antoine-Nicolas de Condorcet in France, ceased
to regard poverty as a divine imposition on sinful humanity. It was
seen as remediable in principle, since it was man-made in practice.
Gareth Stedman Jones
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/263f76cdf00fa09e
Thomas Paine
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/c79aff8cec58b5b4
Antoine-Nicolas de Condorcet
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User: "maff"

Title: OT: A history of ending poverty 04 Jul 2005 03:17:32 PM
maff wrote:

A history of ending poverty
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1519560,00.html

Tom Paine's ideas are still ahead of today's campaigners

Gareth Stedman Jones
Saturday July 2, 2005
The Guardian

The idea of "making poverty history" did not begin with Bob Geldof,
Bono or the commitment of rich countries to disburse 0.7% of national
income in development aid. It goes back to the time of the French and
American revolutions towards the end of 18th century and to a
transformation in outlook as momentous as that produced by the
revolutions themselves. A small group of visionaries, the followers of
Tom Paine in England and Antoine-Nicolas de Condorcet in France, ceased
to regard poverty as a divine imposition on sinful humanity. It was
seen as remediable in principle, since it was man-made in practice.

Paine and world poverty
http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,3604,1520546,00.html
Monday July 4, 2005
The Guardian
Gareth Stedman Jones is right to remind readers that criticism of
poverty as "man-made" has featured in revolutionary discourse long
before celebrity-endorsed programmes to "defeat world poverty in seven
easy steps", as the Make Poverty History manifesto would have it (A
history of ending poverty, July 2).



Gareth Stedman Jones
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/263f76cdf00fa09e

Thomas Paine
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/c79aff8cec58b5b4

Antoine-Nicolas de Condorcet
http://news.google.com/news?q=%22Antoine-Nicolas%20de%20Condorcet%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=N&tab=gn

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User: "maff"

Title: Re: OT: A history of ending poverty 05 Jul 2005 06:26:09 AM
maff wrote:

maff wrote:

A history of ending poverty
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1519560,00.html

Tom Paine's ideas are still ahead of today's campaigners

Gareth Stedman Jones
Saturday July 2, 2005
The Guardian

The idea of "making poverty history" did not begin with Bob Geldof,
Bono or the commitment of rich countries to disburse 0.7% of national
income in development aid. It goes back to the time of the French and
American revolutions towards the end of 18th century and to a
transformation in outlook as momentous as that produced by the
revolutions themselves. A small group of visionaries, the followers of
Tom Paine in England and Antoine-Nicolas de Condorcet in France, ceased
to regard poverty as a divine imposition on sinful humanity. It was
seen as remediable in principle, since it was man-made in practice.


Paine and world poverty
http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,3604,1520546,00.html

Monday July 4, 2005
The Guardian

Gareth Stedman Jones is right to remind readers that criticism of
poverty as "man-made" has featured in revolutionary discourse long
before celebrity-endorsed programmes to "defeat world poverty in seven
easy steps", as the Make Poverty History manifesto would have it (A
history of ending poverty, July 2).

Paine's plans
http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,3604,1521245,00.html
Tuesday July 5, 2005
The Guardian
Gabriel Martindale's letter (July 4) left me wondering if he had
actually read Paine. He was correct in stating that Paine was not a
socialist, but he was concerned about human rights and national
freedom, and supported free trade because he thought that it brought
peace and prosperity. As for his programme of social reform, that was
to be paid by a tax on the landed interests of the rich, hardly a
support for the sort of authoritarian capitalism Martindale has in
mind.




Gareth Stedman Jones
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/263f76cdf00fa09e

Thomas Paine
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/c79aff8cec58b5b4

Antoine-Nicolas de Condorcet
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