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Arab scholar 'cracked Rosetta code' 800 years before the West
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1318435,00.html
Robin McKie, science editor
Sunday October 3, 2004
The Observer
It is famed as a critical moment in code-breaking history. Using a
piece of basalt carved with runes and words, scholars broke the secret
of hieroglyphs, the written 'language' of the ancient Egyptians.
A baffling, opaque language had been made comprehensible, and the
secrets of one of the world's greatest civilisations revealed - thanks
to the Rosetta Stone and the analytic prowess of 18th and 19th century
European scholars.
But now the supremacy of Western thinking has been challenged by a
London researcher who claims that hieroglyphs had been decoded
hundreds of years earlier - by an Arabic alchemist, Abu Bakr Ahmad Ibn
Wahshiyah.
Ibn Wahshiyah
http://news.google.com/news?q=%20%22Ibn%20Wahshiyah%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Ibn+Wahshiyah%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&tab=nw&ie=UTF-8&sa=N
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Ibn+Wahshiyah%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&output=search&cat=gwd/Top
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=Ibn%20Wahshiyah&safe=images&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
Ibn Wahshiya
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Ibn+Wahshiya%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&tab=nw&ie=UTF-8&sa=N
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Ibn+Wahshiya%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&output=search&cat=gwd/Top
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=Ibn%20Wahshiya&safe=images&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
http://news.google.com/news?q=%20%22Ibn%20Wahshiya%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=gn
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09 Oct 2004 06:28:51 PM |
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Arab scholar 'cracked Rosetta code' 800 years before the West
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1318435,00.html
Robin McKie, science editor
Sunday October 3, 2004
The Observer
It is famed as a critical moment in code-breaking history. Using a
piece of basalt carved with runes and words, scholars broke the secret
of hieroglyphs, the written 'language' of the ancient Egyptians.
A baffling, opaque language had been made comprehensible, and the
secrets of one of the world's greatest civilisations revealed - thanks
to the Rosetta Stone and the analytic prowess of 18th and 19th century
European scholars.
But now the supremacy of Western thinking has been challenged by a
London researcher who claims that hieroglyphs had been decoded
hundreds of years earlier - by an Arabic alchemist, Abu Bakr Ahmad Ibn
Wahshiyah.
With all due respect to Abu Bakr Ahmad Ibn Wahshiyah, if his people didn't
share the wealth of his knowledge and discovery with the rest of us, we have
no choice but to give credit to the people in OUR culture who 'redid' his
work!!
That's the problem with being intellectually gifted, genius level and all
that; PR. You have to let people KNOW about it. (Grin)
So...The blessings of Allah be upon the head of Abu Bakr, but Rosetta really
did do the job for US. So....
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10 Oct 2004 03:45:34 AM |
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Arab scholar 'cracked Rosetta code' 800 years before the West
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1318435,00.html
Robin McKie, science editor
Sunday October 3, 2004
The Observer
It is famed as a critical moment in code-breaking history. Using a
piece of basalt carved with runes and words, scholars broke the secret
of hieroglyphs, the written 'language' of the ancient Egyptians.
A baffling, opaque language had been made comprehensible, and the
secrets of one of the world's greatest civilisations revealed - thanks
to the Rosetta Stone and the analytic prowess of 18th and 19th century
European scholars.
But now the supremacy of Western thinking has been challenged by a
London researcher who claims that hieroglyphs had been decoded
hundreds of years earlier - by an Arabic alchemist, Abu Bakr Ahmad Ibn
Wahshiyah.
With all due respect to Abu Bakr Ahmad Ibn Wahshiyah, if his people didn't
share the wealth of his knowledge and discovery with the rest of us, we have
no choice but to give credit to the people in OUR culture who 'redid' his
work!!
But Mormons aren't part of our culture.
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typo
That's the problem with being intellectually gifted, genius level and all
that; PR. You have to let people KNOW about it. (Grin)
So...The blessings of Allah be upon the head of Abu Bakr, but Rosetta really
did do the job for US. So....
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10 Oct 2004 11:18:49 AM |
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With all due respect to Abu Bakr Ahmad Ibn Wahshiyah, if his people
didn't
share the wealth of his knowledge and discovery with the rest of us, we
have
no choice but to give credit to the people in OUR culture who 'redid' his
work!!
But Mormons aren't part of our culture.
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typo
Say what? That didn't clarify anything.
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10 Oct 2004 03:40:37 AM |
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Arab scholar 'cracked Rosetta code' 800 years before the West
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1318435,00.html
Robin McKie, science editor
Sunday October 3, 2004
The Observer
It is famed as a critical moment in code-breaking history. Using a
piece of basalt carved with runes and words, scholars broke the secret
of hieroglyphs, the written 'language' of the ancient Egyptians.
A baffling, opaque language had been made comprehensible, and the
secrets of one of the world's greatest civilisations revealed - thanks
to the Rosetta Stone and the analytic prowess of 18th and 19th century
European scholars.
But now the supremacy of Western thinking has been challenged by a
London researcher who claims that hieroglyphs had been decoded
hundreds of years earlier - by an Arabic alchemist, Abu Bakr Ahmad Ibn
Wahshiyah.
With all due respect to Abu Bakr Ahmad Ibn Wahshiyah, if his people didn't
share the wealth of his knowledge and discovery with the rest of us, we have
no choice but to give credit to the people in OUR culture who 'redid' his
work!!
But Mormons are part of our culture.
That's the problem with being intellectually gifted, genius level and all
that; PR. You have to let people KNOW about it. (Grin)
So...The blessings of Allah be upon the head of Abu Bakr, but Rosetta really
did do the job for US. So....
Don't be stupid.
Science China Civilisation OR Civilization "Joseph Needham"
http://www.google.com/search?q=Science%20China%20Civilisation%20OR%20Civilization%20%22Joseph%20Needham%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=gw
Joseph Needham
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Joseph+Needham%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&tab=nw&sa=N
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Joseph+Needham%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&output=search&cat=gwd/Top
http://news.google.com/news?q=%22Joseph%20Needham%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=Joseph%20Needham&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
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10 Oct 2004 11:18:13 AM |
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Arab scholar 'cracked Rosetta code' 800 years before the West
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1318435,00.html
Robin McKie, science editor
Sunday October 3, 2004
The Observer
It is famed as a critical moment in code-breaking history. Using a
piece of basalt carved with runes and words, scholars broke the secret
of hieroglyphs, the written 'language' of the ancient Egyptians.
A baffling, opaque language had been made comprehensible, and the
secrets of one of the world's greatest civilisations revealed - thanks
to the Rosetta Stone and the analytic prowess of 18th and 19th century
European scholars.
But now the supremacy of Western thinking has been challenged by a
London researcher who claims that hieroglyphs had been decoded
hundreds of years earlier - by an Arabic alchemist, Abu Bakr Ahmad Ibn
Wahshiyah.
With all due respect to Abu Bakr Ahmad Ibn Wahshiyah, if his people
didn't
share the wealth of his knowledge and discovery with the rest of us, we
have
no choice but to give credit to the people in OUR culture who 'redid' his
work!!
But Mormons are part of our culture.
Say what?
That's the problem with being intellectually gifted, genius level and all
that; PR. You have to let people KNOW about it. (Grin)
So...The blessings of Allah be upon the head of Abu Bakr, but Rosetta
really
did do the job for US. So....
Don't be stupid.
Look, you may think that having someone else figure these things out before
Champollion did negates Champollion's work, but I don't see how it does,
considering that he didn't have access to Wahshiyah's work. Which of course
was the point I was making.
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11 Oct 2004 03:51:12 AM |
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Arab scholar 'cracked Rosetta code' 800 years before the West
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1318435,00.html
Robin McKie, science editor
Sunday October 3, 2004
The Observer
It is famed as a critical moment in code-breaking history. Using a
piece of basalt carved with runes and words, scholars broke the secret
of hieroglyphs, the written 'language' of the ancient Egyptians.
A baffling, opaque language had been made comprehensible, and the
secrets of one of the world's greatest civilisations revealed - thanks
to the Rosetta Stone and the analytic prowess of 18th and 19th century
European scholars.
But now the supremacy of Western thinking has been challenged by a
London researcher who claims that hieroglyphs had been decoded
hundreds of years earlier - by an Arabic alchemist, Abu Bakr Ahmad Ibn
Wahshiyah.
With all due respect to Abu Bakr Ahmad Ibn Wahshiyah, if his people
didn't
share the wealth of his knowledge and discovery with the rest of us, we
have
no choice but to give credit to the people in OUR culture who 'redid' his
work!!
But Mormons are part of our culture.
Say what?
That's the problem with being intellectually gifted, genius level and all
that; PR. You have to let people KNOW about it. (Grin)
So...The blessings of Allah be upon the head of Abu Bakr, but Rosetta
really
did do the job for US. So....
Don't be stupid.
Look, you may think that having someone else figure these things out before
Champollion did negates Champollion's work, but I don't see how it does,
considering that he didn't have access to Wahshiyah's work. Which of course
was the point I was making.
It only shows you haven't read Joseph Needham's work. Your argument
works out like this: you didn't know murder was a crime.
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11 Oct 2004 03:52:54 AM |
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Arab scholar 'cracked Rosetta code' 800 years before the West
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1318435,00.html
Robin McKie, science editor
Sunday October 3, 2004
The Observer
It is famed as a critical moment in code-breaking history. Using a
piece of basalt carved with runes and words, scholars broke the secret
of hieroglyphs, the written 'language' of the ancient Egyptians.
A baffling, opaque language had been made comprehensible, and the
secrets of one of the world's greatest civilisations revealed - thanks
to the Rosetta Stone and the analytic prowess of 18th and 19th century
European scholars.
But now the supremacy of Western thinking has been challenged by a
London researcher who claims that hieroglyphs had been decoded
hundreds of years earlier - by an Arabic alchemist, Abu Bakr Ahmad Ibn
Wahshiyah.
With all due respect to Abu Bakr Ahmad Ibn Wahshiyah, if his people
didn't
share the wealth of his knowledge and discovery with the rest of us, we
have
no choice but to give credit to the people in OUR culture who 'redid' his
work!!
But Mormons are part of our culture.
Say what?
Mormons aren't part of our culture.
That's the problem with being intellectually gifted, genius level and all
that; PR. You have to let people KNOW about it. (Grin)
So...The blessings of Allah be upon the head of Abu Bakr, but Rosetta
really
did do the job for US. So....
Don't be stupid.
Look, you may think that having someone else figure these things out before
Champollion did negates Champollion's work, but I don't see how it does,
considering that he didn't have access to Wahshiyah's work. Which of course
was the point I was making.
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11 Oct 2004 10:25:50 AM |
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Say what?
Mormons aren't part of our culture.
Explain.
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12 Oct 2004 04:49:58 AM |
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Say what?
Mormons aren't part of our culture.
Explain.
No one group can say they're part of a larget group. There're too many
fault lines for anyone to claim that.
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12 Oct 2004 10:26:25 AM |
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Say what?
Mormons aren't part of our culture.
Explain.
No one group can say they're part of a larget group. There're too many
fault lines for anyone to claim that.
Explain better.
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13 Oct 2004 03:28:54 AM |
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Say what?
Mormons aren't part of our culture.
Explain.
No one group can say they're part of a larget group. There're too many
fault lines for anyone to claim that.
Explain better.
Why were the Confederates or Nazis defeated if they were part of the 'West'?
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13 Oct 2004 08:53:30 AM |
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Say what?
Mormons aren't part of our culture.
Explain.
No one group can say they're part of a larget group. There're too many
fault lines for anyone to claim that.
Explain better.
Why were the Confederates or Nazis defeated if they were part of the
'West'?
You are simply digging yourself in deeper.
Culture is far more intensive, and inclusive, than this. Consider; you and I
speak English. We share many of the same values. We understand each other
(mostly) when we use referents and cliche's, we have a common storehouse of
symbology we both agree on. "Culture" can be defined as broadly...or as
narrowly..as you like, from 'western' (Everybody that descends, culturally,
from Greek/Roman/Celtic roots) to the five person office staff.
But because it CAN be defined in so many ways, when you speak of it, you are
going to have to put the adjectives in to identify which culture you are
talking about. "Our" culture just isn't clear. So when you say that 'Mormons
aren't part of our culture", you really have to identify what culture they
aren't part of. They most definately ARE a part of Western civilization,
European, American, Western, Christian, (insert every other form of culture
shared by Americans/Europeans except certain specific religious ones).
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13 Oct 2004 02:50:51 PM |
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Say what?
Mormons aren't part of our culture.
Explain.
No one group can say they're part of a larget group. There're too many
fault lines for anyone to claim that.
Explain better.
Why were the Confederates or Nazis defeated if they were part of the
'West'?
You are simply digging yourself in deeper.
But it's you and the Monmon church who're digging themselves deeper.
Culture is far more intensive, and inclusive, than this. Consider; you and I
speak English. We share many of the same values. We understand each other
(mostly) when we use referents and cliche's, we have a common storehouse of
symbology we both agree on. "Culture" can be defined as broadly...or as
narrowly..as you like, from 'western' (Everybody that descends, culturally,
from Greek/Roman/Celtic roots) to the five person office staff.
But because it CAN be defined in so many ways, when you speak of it, you are
going to have to put the adjectives in to identify which culture you are
talking about. "Our" culture just isn't clear. So when you say that 'Mormons
aren't part of our culture", you really have to identify what culture they
aren't part of. They most definately ARE a part of Western civilization,
European, American, Western, Christian, (insert every other form of culture
shared by Americans/Europeans except certain specific religious ones).
That was the culture that the founding father ran away from. That's
why the country is even divided. Your culture is what you call a
doomed culture. Your apologetics and culture are no different from the
Klan and Nazi apologetics and culture.
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11 Oct 2004 04:22:25 AM |
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(maff) wrote in message news:<18510aff.0410091508.7d0e3d9f@posting.google.com>...
Arab scholar 'cracked Rosetta code' 800 years before the West
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1318435,00.html
Robin McKie, science editor
Sunday October 3, 2004
The Observer
It is famed as a critical moment in code-breaking history. Using a
piece of basalt carved with runes and words, scholars broke the secret
of hieroglyphs, the written 'language' of the ancient Egyptians.
A baffling, opaque language had been made comprehensible, and the
secrets of one of the world's greatest civilisations revealed - thanks
to the Rosetta Stone and the analytic prowess of 18th and 19th century
European scholars.
But now the supremacy of Western thinking has been challenged by a
London researcher who claims that hieroglyphs had been decoded
hundreds of years earlier - by an Arabic alchemist, Abu Bakr Ahmad Ibn
Wahshiyah.
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Ibn Wahshiya OR Wahshiyah
http://news.google.com/news?q=Ibn%20Wahshiya%20OR%20Wahshiyah&num=100&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?q=Ibn+Wahshiya+OR+Wahshiyah&num=100&hl=en&lr=&tab=nw&ie=UTF-8&sa=N
http://www.google.com/search?q=Ibn+Wahshiya+OR+Wahshiyah&num=100&hl=en&lr=&output=search&cat=gwd/Top
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=Ibn%20&as_oq=Wahshiya%20Wahshiyah&safe=images&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
Islamic Scientists
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl443664688d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&selm=18510aff.0409231235.84f065c%40posting.google.com
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