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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Shuggy"
Date: 08 Oct 2003 07:47:08 PM
Object: OT: Arnold Turns California into a Joke
I am ashamed that the governor of my state is an Austrian body
-builder turned actor-- not even a good, respectable actor, but a
dumb-***** super hero who can say little more than "I'll be back." He
gropes women and likes the Nazis. What kind of leader, or person,
is THAT?
Californians who voted for the re-call and/or for Arnold have lost their minds.
.

User: "Fester"

Title: Re: Arnold Turns California into a Joke 10 Oct 2003 05:52:59 AM
"Shuggy" <jilwil@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:cb98d700.0310081647.2f86b5cb@posting.google.com...

I am ashamed that the governor of my state is an Austrian body
-builder turned actor-- not even a good, respectable actor, but a
dumb-***** super hero who can say little more than "I'll be back." He
gropes women and likes the Nazis. What kind of leader, or person,
is THAT?

Californians who voted for the re-call and/or for Arnold have lost their

minds.
Davis made the state a joke. Arnie is just the punch line.
.
User: "Douglas Berry"

Title: Re: Arnold Turns California into a Joke 10 Oct 2003 10:30:09 AM
Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:52:59 GMT, a stranger
called by some "Fester" <not@home.com> came forth and told this tale
in alt.atheism

Davis made the state a joke. Arnie is just the punch line.

Actually, blame Pete Wilson.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Arnold Turns California into a Joke 10 Oct 2003 12:04:45 PM
Douglas Berry wrote:

Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:52:59 GMT, a stranger
called by some "Fester" <not@home.com> came forth and told this tale
in alt.atheism


Davis made the state a joke. Arnie is just the punch line.



Actually, blame Pete Wilson.

Wilson's term ended in 1999.
--
Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
.
User: "Douglas Berry"

Title: Re: Arnold Turns California into a Joke 10 Oct 2003 10:16:02 PM
Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:04:45 -0400, a stranger
called by some Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism

Douglas Berry wrote:

Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:52:59 GMT, a stranger
called by some "Fester" <not@home.com> came forth and told this tale
in alt.atheism


Davis made the state a joke. Arnie is just the punch line.



Actually, blame Pete Wilson.


Wilson's term ended in 1999.

and he's the one who pushed, and signed, derugulation of the power
grid. Which is what caused the damned blackouts and the deficet to
balloon.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Arnold Turns California into a Joke 10 Oct 2003 10:42:38 PM
Douglas Berry wrote:

Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:04:45 -0400, a stranger
called by some Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism


Douglas Berry wrote:


Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:52:59 GMT, a stranger
called by some "Fester" <not@home.com> came forth and told this tale
in alt.atheism



Davis made the state a joke. Arnie is just the punch line.



Actually, blame Pete Wilson.


Wilson's term ended in 1999.



and he's the one who pushed, and signed, derugulation of the power
grid. Which is what caused the damned blackouts and the deficet to
balloon.

Deregulation by itself doesn't cause rolling blackouts and deficits.
That takes politics.
--
Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
.





User: "Appelonius"

Title: Re: Arnold Turns California into a Joke 08 Oct 2003 08:43:13 PM
"Shuggy" <jilwil@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:cb98d700.0310081647.2f86b5cb@posting.google.com...

I am ashamed that the governor of my state is an Austrian body
-builder turned actor-- not even a good, respectable actor, but a
dumb-***** super hero who can say little more than "I'll be back." He
gropes women and likes the Nazis. What kind of leader, or person,
is THAT?

Californians who voted for the re-call and/or for Arnold have lost their

minds.
Give the guy a chance, he seemed genuinely serious about the issues and
looked like he believed in what he was saying. Just because you don't like
his movies is no reason for you to assume that he wouldn't make a good
governor.
Why don't you let his actions from here on out as a politician speak for
him, rather than assuming that he'll fail in advance.
And there's no cause for suggesting that he's a Nazi sympathizer.
.
User: "Bob Dog"

Title: Re: Arnold Turns California into a Joke 09 Oct 2003 03:17:50 AM
"Appelonius" <noneofyourbuseness@myemail.com> wrote in message news:<vo9f9kbu0itna7@corp.supernews.com>...

Give the guy a chance, he seemed genuinely serious about the issues and
looked like he believed in what he was saying. Just because you don't like
his movies is no reason for you to assume that he wouldn't make a good
governor.

Why don't you let his actions from here on out as a politician speak for
him, rather than assuming that he'll fail in advance.

What experience does he have in managing government at any
level? Most who enter regional or federal government never
attain the highest office right from the beginning; they
earn their way up through experience. Why should Ahnuld be
any different?

And there's no cause for suggesting that he's a Nazi sympathizer.

No one here has. AA regulars are quite aware that Ahnuld
has long disavowed anti-semitism, going so far as to support
jewish gropes...uh, groups (after hearing so much about his
womanizing, that Freudian slip was inevitable) and that he
is educated (obtaining a BA in business by himself via
correspondence).
No one doubts that Baconegger is more qualified than Shrub,
but that is not the question. The real question is whether
*Ahnuld* is qualified, and to say he might not be is not
inappropriate.
Bob Dog
.
User: "Appelonius"

Title: Re: Arnold Turns California into a Joke 09 Oct 2003 08:56:10 AM
"Bob Dog" <bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
news:4fa573de.0310090017.46097fe9@posting.google.com...


What experience does he have in managing government at any
level? Most who enter regional or federal government never
attain the highest office right from the beginning; they
earn their way up through experience. Why should Ahnuld be
any different?

Because the people said so - that's what democracy is all about. He won by
convincing people to believe in him, and I don't believe the majority of
people in California who voted for him are idiots.


And there's no cause for suggesting that he's a Nazi sympathizer.


No one here has. <SNIP>

Didn't Shuggy just say that Arnold's a bad choice because he "likes the
Nazis"???

No one doubts that Baconegger is more qualified than Shrub,
but that is not the question. The real question is whether
*Ahnuld* is qualified, and to say he might not be is not
inappropriate.

Comments that Arnold is inexperienced are not inapropriate - but Shuggy went
beyond that to say that he's *ashamed* that the people voted for Arnold,
accused Arnold of not being good or respectable, and called him dumb-*****.
That seems to be going a little far.
.
User: "Bob Dog"

Title: Re: Arnold Turns California into a Joke 12 Oct 2003 08:56:18 AM
"Appelonius" <noneofyourbuseness@myemail.com> wrote in message news:<voaq7si0tgt20f@corp.supernews.com>...

"Bob Dog" <bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
news:4fa573de.0310090017.46097fe9@posting.google.com...


What experience does he have in managing government at any
level? Most who enter regional or federal government never
attain the highest office right from the beginning; they
earn their way up through experience. Why should Ahnuld be
any different?


Because the people said so - that's what democracy is all about. He won by
convincing people to believe in him, and I don't believe the majority of
people in California who voted for him are idiots.

Most Americans supported Shrub's attempts to rescind people's
rights under the constitution and create a state religion with
no thought for or knowledge of how their nation was founded.
People who can't be bothered to learn their own country's
history and origins could be classified as stupid. It's easier
not to think because thinking requires one take responsibility.
I am not saying voting for Baconegger is stupid, I'm saying
voting for him without knowing what he stands for is. I didn't
see you differentiating the two.

And there's no cause for suggesting that he's a Nazi sympathizer.

No one here has. <SNIP>


Didn't Shuggy just say that Arnold's a bad choice because he "likes the
Nazis"???

Fine, I'll amend what I said: "*Most* know Ahnuld is anti-nazi."

No one doubts that Baconegger is more qualified than Shrub,
but that is not the question. The real question is whether
*Ahnuld* is qualified, and to say he might not be is not
inappropriate.


Comments that Arnold is inexperienced are not inapropriate - but Shuggy went
beyond that to say that he's *ashamed* that the people voted for Arnold,
accused Arnold of not being good or respectable, and called him dumb-*****.
That seems to be going a little far.

If people voted solely for his celebrity, then it is shameful.
No one of any substance (if there were any) would have stood a
chance in the election. I thought the idea was to put in the
best man for the job, not the biggest. Or are we returning to
the days of "strong man" governments, ie. the strong dictating
to the weak?
Bob Dog
.



User: "Thomas Curmudgeon"

Title: Re: Arnold Turns California into a Joke 08 Oct 2003 09:48:20 PM
Appelonius wrote:

"Shuggy" <jilwil@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:cb98d700.0310081647.2f86b5cb@posting.google.com...

I am ashamed that the governor of my state is an Austrian body
-builder turned actor-- not even a good, respectable actor, but a
dumb-***** super hero who can say little more than "I'll be back." He
gropes women and likes the Nazis. What kind of leader, or person,
is THAT?

Californians who voted for the re-call and/or for Arnold have lost their


minds.

Give the guy a chance, he seemed genuinely serious about the issues and
looked like he believed in what he was saying. Just because you don't like
his movies is no reason for you to assume that he wouldn't make a good
governor.

Why don't you let his actions from here on out as a politician speak for
him, rather than assuming that he'll fail in advance.

He seems like a politician to me. He's done nothing but lie, mud sling
and make impossible promises.

And there's no cause for suggesting that he's a Nazi sympathizer.

You could say he's no more a nazi that gw or poppy bush.
.
User: "Lord Calvert"

Title: Re: Arnold Turns California into a Joke 08 Oct 2003 10:13:30 PM

And there's no cause for suggesting that he's a Nazi sympathizer.


You could say he's no more a nazi that gw or poppy bush.

Poppy would be the more apt comparison. Ahnold's father was a Nazi. Bush Sr's
father was a convicted Nazi collaborator. Doesn't mean that they are Nazis but
it does give some insight as to where they got some of their political
philosophies.
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Ill-Legal Dept. "Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here"
"My country, right or wrong; to be defended when right and righted when wrong."
- Thomas Jefferson
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: Arnold Turns California into a Joke 09 Oct 2003 12:53:37 AM
In article <20031008231330.12913.00000014@mb-m23.aol.com>,
forlornh@aol.commode (Lord Calvert) wrote:

And there's no cause for suggesting that he's a Nazi sympathizer.


You could say he's no more a nazi that gw or poppy bush.


Poppy would be the more apt comparison. Ahnold's father was a Nazi. Bush Sr's
father was a convicted Nazi collaborator. Doesn't mean that they are Nazis
but
it does give some insight as to where they got some of their political
philosophies.

In some ways Ah-nuld is also comparable to the younger Bush. He is
likely to do and say what others tell him to, not on his own. The fear
is that Ah-nuld's administration will be run by remnants of the
ineffective Pete Wilson's staff, the cadre that Davis defeated 5 years
ago. Many of California's present problems can be traced back to Petey
and his boys.
--
John Hachmann, aa #1782

Pierre Laplace, when asked by Napoleon on why he made
no mention of a god in his book on astronomy: "Sire,
I have no need of that hypothesis."
.
User: "Bob Dog"

Title: Re: Arnold Turns California into a Joke 09 Oct 2003 09:12:41 AM
johac <jhachm@remove.ixpres.com> wrote in message news:<jhachm-39567B.22533708102003@central.giganews.com>...


In some ways Ah-nuld is also comparable to the younger Bush. He is
likely to do and say what others tell him to, not on his own. The fear
is that Ah-nuld's administration will be run by remnants of the
ineffective Pete Wilson's staff, the cadre that Davis defeated 5 years
ago. Many of California's present problems can be traced back to Petey
and his boys.

From the brilliance of Jello Biafra:
http://www.lyricstime.com/lyrics/14167.html
To these recently rewritten lyrics:
http://www.johneasdale.com/music/2003/ca_uber_alles/index.shtml
Or, as the Disposable Heroes Of Hiphoprisy said in 1991:
http://www.skepticfiles.org/en003/cua.htm
"Soon I'm going to be the President
You might remember the last one this state sent."
The renewed lyrics are included below. Like I said before, we
should be wary of Austrians running other people's countries.
If you haven't heard, Arnie is already waffling. He's saying
nonsense about "I wasn't told the deficit is $38 billion...",
implying that he won't be able to do what he promised.
Bob Dog
-----------------------------------------------------------------
California Uber Alles
written by Dead Kennedys/John Greenway
new lyrics by John Easdale
"vote for me on Tuesday..."
I am Governor Arnold S...
I'll soon clean up this mess
I have inherited...
I'm jingling all the way
from the Southland to the Bay
I'll govern all of you
your kids will all lift weights in school...
CHORUS
California uber alles...
Uber alles California...
The Golden State is getting worse...
Need Mr. Universe...
I am a movie star
and drive the biggest, dumbest car
This hero always wins...
conveniently forgets his sins
jumpin' from the master race...
and always wears the happy face
CHORUS
here comes 2004...
knock knock on your front door
it's my very own secret police
come to pick up your ugly niece
march quietly to the camp
you'd make a lovely lamp
don't worry it's just a shower
for your clothes here's a pretty flower
body builder's in control
100% natural
Say goodbye you lousy pest
if you mess with Governor S.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
"California Uber Alles" written by Jello Biafra
as performed by The Disposable Heroes of Hipopricy
California Uber Alles
California above all others
I'm the governor Pete Wilson you know
The baddest governor to ever grab the mic and go
BOOM!
Gimme a budget and watch me hack it.
Gimme a beat and I'll show you how to jack it.
I give the rich a giant tax loop hole.
I leave the poor living in a poop hole.
At a time when AIDS is in a crisis,
I cut health care and I raise prices.
Sales tax. Snack tax. Excise tax.
Information's attacked with a newspaper tax.
I hit the pocketbooks of working families.
Increasing tuition at the universities.
Someday I'll command all of you.
Even you're kids are gonna pray to me in school.
Soon I'm going to be the President.
You might remember the last one this state sent.
California Uber Alles
California Uber Alles
I'm so proud to know The Great Communicator
I want to be known as The Great Incarcerator
I blow environmentalists away
And I'll be the Fuhrer someday
I keep cutting public education
Even though we rank 45th in the nation.
I got a plan for the minorities
To send them to the California Youth Authorities
From San Fransisco Urban Elementary
to Pelican Bay State Penitentiary
There they can work for the master race
and always wear a happy face.
Close your eyes, it can't happen here
Big brother in his squad car is coming near
Come and join the surf and sun
And keep California number one.
Now it's 1992
Knock, knock on your front door. Yo! Guess who.
It's the suede-denim secret police.
They've come to your house for your long haired neice
We're gonna send her off to a camp
Because she's been accused of growing hemp.
Don't you worry, it's only a shower.
Now for your clothes, here's a pretty flower.
We're gonna die on malathion gas.
The surpent's egg has already been hatched.
There's people starving and living in the streets.
Because they tried to mess with me, President Pete.
California Uber Alles
California Uber Alles
-----------------------------------------------------------------
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: Arnold Turns California into a Joke 11 Oct 2003 01:46:18 AM
In article <4fa573de.0310090612.5429b3ad@posting.google.com>,
(Bob Dog) wrote:

johac <jhachm@remove.ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:<jhachm-39567B.22533708102003@central.giganews.com>...


In some ways Ah-nuld is also comparable to the younger Bush. He is
likely to do and say what others tell him to, not on his own. The fear
is that Ah-nuld's administration will be run by remnants of the
ineffective Pete Wilson's staff, the cadre that Davis defeated 5 years
ago. Many of California's present problems can be traced back to Petey
and his boys.


From the brilliance of Jello Biafra:
http://www.lyricstime.com/lyrics/14167.html

To these recently rewritten lyrics:
http://www.johneasdale.com/music/2003/ca_uber_alles/index.shtml

Or, as the Disposable Heroes Of Hiphoprisy said in 1991:
http://www.skepticfiles.org/en003/cua.htm
"Soon I'm going to be the President
You might remember the last one this state sent."

The renewed lyrics are included below. Like I said before, we
should be wary of Austrians running other people's countries.

Heute Kalifor-nee-ya
Morgen der Welt! - der Gropenführer.


If you haven't heard, Arnie is already waffling. He's saying
nonsense about "I wasn't told the deficit is $38 billion...",
implying that he won't be able to do what he promised.

Maybe Arnold will finally realize that running the most populous state
in the country and the fifth largest economy in the world is not as
easy as playing action adventure heroes in the movies.
--
John Hachmann, aa #1782

Pierre Laplace, when asked by Napoleon on why he made
no mention of a god in his book on astronomy: "Sire,
I have no need of that hypothesis."
.
User: "The Green Troll"

Title: Re: Arnold Turns California into a Joke 15 Oct 2003 01:51:34 AM
johac <jhachm@remove.ixpres.com> wrote in message news:<jhachm-86AC59.23461810102003@central.giganews.com>...

If you haven't heard, Arnie is already waffling. He's saying
nonsense about "I wasn't told the deficit is $38 billion...",

Then he must be the only one who didn't know. (Shades of Reagan.)

Maybe Arnold will finally realize that running the most populous state
in the country and the fifth largest economy in the world is not as
easy as playing action adventure heroes in the movies.

The 5th largest? What are the top 10? Is the European Union among them?
-- Buster <http://www.rev.net/~aloe/geography>
.







User: "Nakas"

Title: Re: Arnold Turns California into a Joke 08 Oct 2003 09:16:42 PM
"Shuggy" <jilwil@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:cb98d700.0310081647.2f86b5cb@posting.google.com...

I am ashamed that the governor of my state is an Austrian body
-builder turned actor-- not even a good, respectable actor, but a
dumb-***** super hero who can say little more than "I'll be back." He
gropes women and likes the Nazis. What kind of leader, or person,
is THAT?

Californians who voted for the re-call and/or for Arnold have lost their

minds.
The guy came over here with nothing... became a champion body builder...
became a starring actor... became a successful business man... and then
became governor of California. Arnold has done more with his life than most
people do in ten lifetimes.
Frankly, I doubt you'll ever be a hundredth as successful, a hundredth the
leader, a hundredth as charismatic, or a hundredth as smart as Arnold is.
.
User: "Douglas Berry"

Title: Re: Arnold Turns California into a Joke 09 Oct 2003 12:21:38 AM
Lo, many moons past, on Thu, 09 Oct 2003 02:16:42 GMT, a stranger
called by some "Nakas" <nakas@comcast.net> came forth and told this
tale in alt.atheism

Californians who voted for the re-call and/or for Arnold have lost their

minds.

The guy came over here with nothing... became a champion body builder...
became a starring actor... became a successful business man... and then
became governor of California. Arnold has done more with his life than most
people do in ten lifetimes.

Actually, he was a champion body builder before he came over, and did
it so he could act in movies.
His success as a business man is vastly overrated, he employs several
managers who actually run the day to day affaird.

Frankly, I doubt you'll ever be a hundredth as successful, a hundredth the
leader, a hundredth as charismatic, or a hundredth as smart as Arnold is.

We're talking about a guy who admitted to shooting up steroids so he
could look like a meat rack. And he made Twins.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
.
User: "Nakas"

Title: Re: Arnold Turns California into a Joke 09 Oct 2003 06:16:44 PM
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:hvr9ovs1cb3bmmsdmludmm62giqvrtbfbb@4ax.com...

Lo, many moons past, on Thu, 09 Oct 2003 02:16:42 GMT, a stranger
called by some "Nakas" <nakas@comcast.net> came forth and told this
tale in alt.atheism


Californians who voted for the re-call and/or for Arnold have lost

their

minds.

The guy came over here with nothing... became a champion body builder...
became a starring actor... became a successful business man... and then
became governor of California. Arnold has done more with his life than

most

people do in ten lifetimes.


Actually, he was a champion body builder before he came over, and did
it so he could act in movies.

His success as a business man is vastly overrated, he employs several
managers who actually run the day to day affaird.

Every business man hires managers, you would have to be stupid not to. The
skill comes in finding good managers that can contribute to the success of
the business. And Arnold did it. This, by the way, will be the same skill
Arnold will need to succeed in California politics.
.
User: "Douglas Berry"

Title: Re: Arnold Turns California into a Joke 09 Oct 2003 08:38:52 PM
Lo, many moons past, on Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:16:44 GMT, a stranger
called by some "Nakas" <nakas@comcast.net> came forth and told this
tale in alt.atheism

Every business man hires managers, you would have to be stupid not to. The
skill comes in finding good managers that can contribute to the success of
the business. And Arnold did it. This, by the way, will be the same skill
Arnold will need to succeed in California politics.

so, making millions as an action star, then investing in a business
that trades on your name, and hiring people to run it for you is how
you define success?
My father started a travel agency. He worked 16 hour days, found
inventive ways to advertise (he wrote a column in the local paper that
was actually a paid advertisement, and had us kids come in to do
things like organize vacation ads. He made a his business run, and
built it with nothing but his experience in the field and hard work.
Excuse me if I don't put Arnie in the same category. My father never
hired a manager, he ran his own affairs.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
.
User: "Nakas"

Title: Re: Arnold Turns California into a Joke 09 Oct 2003 11:49:04 PM
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:b73covk4vhvsjn9qfj5m44tg57q18v3ej5@4ax.com...

Lo, many moons past, on Thu, 09 Oct 2003 23:16:44 GMT, a stranger
called by some "Nakas" <nakas@comcast.net> came forth and told this
tale in alt.atheism

Every business man hires managers, you would have to be stupid not to.

The

skill comes in finding good managers that can contribute to the success

of

the business. And Arnold did it. This, by the way, will be the same

skill

Arnold will need to succeed in California politics.


so, making millions as an action star, then investing in a business
that trades on your name, and hiring people to run it for you is how
you define success?

Yes. Let see you try to do it. Suddenly it doesn't seem so easy anymore,
does it?

My father started a travel agency. He worked 16 hour days, found
inventive ways to advertise (he wrote a column in the local paper that
was actually a paid advertisement, and had us kids come in to do
things like organize vacation ads. He made a his business run, and
built it with nothing but his experience in the field and hard work.

Success in business isn't measured by the number of hours a day you work,
it's measured by the amount of money you make. Plain and simple. I don't
think there's anything noble about running a business with "nothing but
experience in the field and hard work", I think that's just naive. A
business a success when it gets to the point where you don't have to worry
about it anymore, when you can just have a weekly meeting with the manager.

Excuse me if I don't put Arnie in the same category. My father never
hired a manager, he ran his own affairs.

For your father to become as successful as Arnold, he would have needed
managers too.
.
User: "Douglas Berry"

Title: Re: Arnold Turns California into a Joke 10 Oct 2003 10:26:23 AM
Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 10 Oct 2003 04:49:04 GMT, a stranger
called by some "Nakas" <nakas@comcast.net> came forth and told this
tale in alt.atheism

"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:b73covk4vhvsjn9qfj5m44tg57q18v3ej5@4ax.com...

so, making millions as an action star, then investing in a business
that trades on your name, and hiring people to run it for you is how
you define success?


Yes. Let see you try to do it. Suddenly it doesn't seem so easy anymore,
does it?

Cool. The moment I win the lottery, I'll start my own RPG publishing
house. (Arnie made his first several million as an actor, doing what
other people told him and not having any part in the creative
process.)

My father started a travel agency. He worked 16 hour days, found
inventive ways to advertise (he wrote a column in the local paper that
was actually a paid advertisement, and had us kids come in to do
things like organize vacation ads. He made a his business run, and
built it with nothing but his experience in the field and hard work.


Success in business isn't measured by the number of hours a day you work,
it's measured by the amount of money you make. Plain and simple. I don't
think there's anything noble about running a business with "nothing but
experience in the field and hard work", I think that's just naive. A
business a success when it gets to the point where you don't have to worry
about it anymore, when you can just have a weekly meeting with the manager.

I disagree. My father made Berry Travel Service ("BTS, without
Travel, we'd be nothing but BS" - unoffcial motto) successful by dint
of hard work. Arnie didn't..

Excuse me if I don't put Arnie in the same category. My father never
hired a manager, he ran his own affairs.


For your father to become as successful as Arnold, he would have needed
managers too.

He might have, but he enjoyed his job.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
.




User: "Maverick"

Title: Re: Arnold Turns California into a Joke 09 Oct 2003 03:29:28 AM
10/9/2003, around 07:21:38 AM, Douglas Berry wrote:

Lo, many moons past, on Thu, 09 Oct 2003 02:16:42 GMT, a stranger
called by some "Nakas" <nakas@comcast.net> came forth and told this
tale in alt.atheism


Californians who voted for the re-call and/or for Arnold have lost

their

minds.

The guy came over here with nothing... became a champion body
builder... became a starring actor... became a successful
business man... and then became governor of California. Arnold
has done more with his life than most people do in ten lifetimes.


Actually, he was a champion body builder before he came over, and did
it so he could act in movies.

His success as a business man is vastly overrated, he employs several
managers who actually run the day to day affaird.

Frankly, I doubt you'll ever be a hundredth as successful, a
hundredth the leader, a hundredth as charismatic, or a hundredth as
smart as Arnold is.


We're talking about a guy who admitted to shooting up steroids so he
could look like a meat rack. And he made Twins.

....which was still better than Junior.
.
User: "Douglas Berry"

Title: Re: Arnold Turns California into a Joke 09 Oct 2003 09:29:38 AM
Lo, many moons past, on Thu, 09 Oct 2003 08:29:28 GMT, a stranger
called by some "Maverick" <insensitive_clod@hotmail.com> came forth
and told this tale in alt.atheism

We're talking about a guy who admitted to shooting up steroids so he
could look like a meat rack. And he made Twins.


...which was still better than Junior.

Gack. I had forgotten that one.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
.



User: "Kevin Aylward"

Title: Re: Arnold Turns California into a Joke 09 Oct 2003 07:31:32 AM
Nakas wrote:

"Shuggy" <jilwil@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:cb98d700.0310081647.2f86b5cb@posting.google.com...

I am ashamed that the governor of my state is an Austrian body
-builder turned actor-- not even a good, respectable actor, but a
dumb-***** super hero who can say little more than "I'll be back." He
gropes women

And wouldn't we all if we could get away with it, and wouldn't all women
want it from arnie. This is the real world, not the PC fantasy world.
Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.
.
User: "Lord Calvert"

Title: Re: Arnold Turns California into a Joke 09 Oct 2003 07:59:51 AM

I am ashamed that the governor of my state is an Austrian body
-builder turned actor-- not even a good, respectable actor, but a
dumb-***** super hero who can say little more than "I'll be back." He
gropes women


And wouldn't we all if we could get away with it, and wouldn't all women
want it from arnie. This is the real world, not the PC fantasy world.

Think if it this way...it isn't the first time that California has elected an
incompetent, talentless, ethically challenged actor as governor.
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Ill-Legal Dept. "Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here"
"My country, right or wrong; to be defended when right and righted when wrong."
- Thomas Jefferson
.
User: "Carol Lee Smith"

Title: Re: Arnold Turns California into a Joke 09 Oct 2003 08:22:39 AM
On 9 Oct 2003, Lord Calvert wrote:

I am ashamed that the governor of my state is an Austrian body
-builder turned actor-- not even a good, respectable actor, but a
dumb-***** super hero who can say little more than "I'll be back." He
gropes women

And wouldn't we all if we could get away with it, and wouldn't all women
want it from arnie. This is the real world, not the PC fantasy world.

Think if it this way...it isn't the first time that California has elected an
incompetent, talentless, ethically challenged actor as governor.

What is fascinating to me is that Clinton was impeached and Arnold was
elected. Clinton had no victim, just a willing co-participant. Arnold
probably has had scads of willing participants, but the issue involved
women who were not willing co-participants, just objects of his unwanted
attention.
Also interesting is Arnold's support for reproductive choice.
There were a lot of Californians who went to the polls and voted for
Arnold holding their noses.
.
User: "Nakas"

Title: Re: Arnold Turns California into a Joke 10 Oct 2003 12:26:20 AM
"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.1031009081833.12190D-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu...

On 9 Oct 2003, Lord Calvert wrote:

I am ashamed that the governor of my state is an Austrian body
-builder turned actor-- not even a good, respectable actor, but a
dumb-***** super hero who can say little more than "I'll be back." He
gropes women


And wouldn't we all if we could get away with it, and wouldn't all

women

want it from arnie. This is the real world, not the PC fantasy world.


Think if it this way...it isn't the first time that California has

elected an

incompetent, talentless, ethically challenged actor as governor.


What is fascinating to me is that Clinton was impeached and Arnold was
elected. Clinton had no victim, just a willing co-participant. Arnold
probably has had scads of willing participants, but the issue involved
women who were not willing co-participants, just objects of his unwanted
attention.

Also interesting is Arnold's support for reproductive choice.

There were a lot of Californians who went to the polls and voted for
Arnold holding their noses.

And a six or so women all suddenly show with these stories at the same
time... two days before the election? That's just a little too fishy for
me. Until something is actually proven, I'm going under the assumption that
this is all just a very classless, low punch by the Dems.
.
User: "Kenneth Doyle"

Title: Re: Arnold Turns California into a Joke 10 Oct 2003 12:31:40 AM
"Nakas" <nakas@comcast.net> wrote in
news:0qrhb.720271$Ho3.174978@sccrnsc03:


"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.1031009081833.12190D-100000@alpha1.csd.uw
m.edu...

On 9 Oct 2003, Lord Calvert wrote:

I am ashamed that the governor of my state is an
Austrian body -builder turned actor-- not even a
good, respectable actor, but a dumb-***** super hero
who can say little more than "I'll be back." He
gropes women


And wouldn't we all if we could get away with it, and
wouldn't all women want it from arnie. This is the real
world, not the PC fantasy world.


Think if it this way...it isn't the first time that
California has elected an incompetent, talentless,
ethically challenged actor as governor.


What is fascinating to me is that Clinton was impeached
and Arnold was elected. Clinton had no victim, just a
willing co-participant. Arnold probably has had scads of
willing participants, but the issue involved women who
were not willing co-participants, just objects of his
unwanted attention.

Also interesting is Arnold's support for reproductive
choice.

There were a lot of Californians who went to the polls and
voted for Arnold holding their noses.


And a six or so women all suddenly show with these stories
at the same time... two days before the election? That's
just a little too fishy for me. Until something is
actually proven, I'm going under the assumption that this
is all just a very classless, low punch by the Dems.

You don't think that a confession by the accused is a valid
proof?
.
User: "Nakas"

Title: Re: Arnold Turns California into a Joke 10 Oct 2003 02:15:58 AM
"Kenneth Doyle" <nobody@notmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94109EFA5F094nobodynotmailcom@61.9.191.5...

"Nakas" <nakas@comcast.net> wrote in
news:0qrhb.720271$Ho3.174978@sccrnsc03:


"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.1031009081833.12190D-100000@alpha1.csd.uw
m.edu...

On 9 Oct 2003, Lord Calvert wrote:

I am ashamed that the governor of my state is an
Austrian body -builder turned actor-- not even a
good, respectable actor, but a dumb-***** super hero
who can say little more than "I'll be back." He
gropes women


And wouldn't we all if we could get away with it, and
wouldn't all women want it from arnie. This is the real
world, not the PC fantasy world.


Think if it this way...it isn't the first time that
California has elected an incompetent, talentless,
ethically challenged actor as governor.


What is fascinating to me is that Clinton was impeached
and Arnold was elected. Clinton had no victim, just a
willing co-participant. Arnold probably has had scads of
willing participants, but the issue involved women who
were not willing co-participants, just objects of his
unwanted attention.

Also interesting is Arnold's support for reproductive
choice.

There were a lot of Californians who went to the polls and
voted for Arnold holding their noses.


And a six or so women all suddenly show with these stories
at the same time... two days before the election? That's
just a little too fishy for me. Until something is
actually proven, I'm going under the assumption that this
is all just a very classless, low punch by the Dems.


You don't think that a confession by the accused is a valid
proof?

What confession?
.
User: "Kenneth Doyle"

Title: Re: Arnold Turns California into a Joke 10 Oct 2003 03:16:55 AM
"Nakas" <nakas@comcast.net> wrote in
news:O0thb.717815$YN5.637142@sccrnsc01:


"Kenneth Doyle" <nobody@notmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94109EFA5F094nobodynotmailcom@61.9.191.5...

"Nakas" <nakas@comcast.net> wrote in
news:0qrhb.720271$Ho3.174978@sccrnsc03:


"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.1031009081833.12190D-100000@alpha1.csd
.uw m.edu...

On 9 Oct 2003, Lord Calvert wrote:

I am ashamed that the governor of my state is an
Austrian body -builder turned actor-- not even a
good, respectable actor, but a dumb-***** super
hero who can say little more than "I'll be back."
He gropes women


And wouldn't we all if we could get away with it,
and wouldn't all women want it from arnie. This is
the real world, not the PC fantasy world.


Think if it this way...it isn't the first time that
California has elected an incompetent, talentless,
ethically challenged actor as governor.


What is fascinating to me is that Clinton was impeached
and Arnold was elected. Clinton had no victim, just a
willing co-participant. Arnold probably has had scads
of willing participants, but the issue involved women
who were not willing co-participants, just objects of
his unwanted attention.

Also interesting is Arnold's support for reproductive
choice.

There were a lot of Californians who went to the polls
and voted for Arnold holding their noses.


And a six or so women all suddenly show with these
stories at the same time... two days before the
election? That's just a little too fishy for me. Until
something is actually proven, I'm going under the
assumption that this is all just a very classless, low
punch by the Dems.


You don't think that a confession by the accused is a
valid proof?


What confession?

Did you say something?
.









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