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17 Jun 2005 09:21:19 PM |
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OT: As Toyota Goes ... |
As Toyota Goes ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/17/opinion/17friedman.html
http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1786.8528
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Having Toyota take over General Motors would not only be in America's
economic interest, it would also be in America's geopolitical interest.
Where's The Apology?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/16/AR2005061601375.html
http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1791.6520
Bending the Facts on Schiavo
By E. J. Dionne Jr., Page A31
We are entitled to our moral, ethical and philosophical commitments. We
are not entitled to our own facts.
The Road to Riches
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/5ba95f4634dec9cd
and thread
The Road to Riches
http://tinyurl.com/55nzo
A Blueprint for the Future
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/59c28cd6dfe6f60f
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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17 Jun 2005 09:30:52 PM |
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In our last episode,
<1119043279.084848.79110@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, the
lovely and talented maff broadcast on alt.atheism:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1786.8528
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Having Toyota take over General Motors would not only be in America's
economic interest, it would also be in America's geopolitical interest.
"What's good for Toyota is good for the USA," somehow, doesn't
quite have the same ring to it.
--
Rev. Lars Eighner ULC Atheist #1965 http://www.larseighner.com/
"Religious factions will go on imposing their will on others unless
the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no
place in public policy. " --Barry Goldwater
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17 Jun 2005 10:18:26 PM |
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In talk.origins Lars Eighner <eighner@io.com> wrote:
In our last episode,
<1119043279.084848.79110@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, the
lovely and talented maff broadcast on alt.atheism:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1786.8528
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Having Toyota take over General Motors would not only be in America's
economic interest, it would also be in America's geopolitical interest.
"What's good for Toyota is good for the USA," somehow, doesn't
quite have the same ring to it.
Neither did the original.
---- Paul J. Gans
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18 Jun 2005 10:24:42 AM |
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Paul J Gans wrote:
In talk.origins Lars Eighner <eighner@io.com> wrote:
In our last episode,
<1119043279.084848.79110@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, the
lovely and talented maff broadcast on alt.atheism:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1786.8528
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Having Toyota take over General Motors would not only be in America's
economic interest, it would also be in America's geopolitical interest.
"What's good for Toyota is good for the USA," somehow, doesn't
quite have the same ring to it.
Neither did the original.
On average, a Japanese (or a German for that matter) CEO makes about
17-19 times the salary of a factory floor employee. The monetary
bonuses that they receive is rarely higher than a year's income.
On average, an American CEO makes about 100-150 times the salary of an
average factory floor worker. Not counting bonuses.
No need to do the math...
I'd also like to mention that I when I sent in my last car payment for
my Camry to Toyota Financial Services, it seems I made an error when I
wrote my check. They informed me of what my error was and sent me
something because of it...a check for 68 cents.
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| User: "SDM Technical Constultants" |
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18 Jun 2005 01:40:23 PM |
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wrote:
Paul J Gans wrote:
In talk.origins Lars Eighner <eighner@io.com> wrote:
In our last episode,
<1119043279.084848.79110@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, the
lovely and talented maff broadcast on alt.atheism:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1786.8528
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Having Toyota take over General Motors would not only be in America's
economic interest, it would also be in America's geopolitical interest.
"What's good for Toyota is good for the USA," somehow, doesn't
quite have the same ring to it.
Neither did the original.
On average, a Japanese (or a German for that matter) CEO makes about
17-19 times the salary of a factory floor employee. The monetary
bonuses that they receive is rarely higher than a year's income.
On average, an American CEO makes about 100-150 times the salary of an
average factory floor worker. Not counting bonuses.
No need to do the math...
I'd also like to mention that I when I sent in my last car payment for
my Camry to Toyota Financial Services, it seems I made an error when I
wrote my check. They informed me of what my error was and sent me
something because of it...a check for 68 cents.
GMAC General Motors Acceptance Corp) would have sent you a notice that
you are eligible for a rebate of 68cents on the purchase of your next GM
car.
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| User: "Richard Forrest" |
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18 Jun 2005 02:31:55 PM |
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wrote:
Paul J Gans wrote:
In talk.origins Lars Eighner <eighner@io.com> wrote:
In our last episode,
<1119043279.084848.79110@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, the
lovely and talented maff broadcast on alt.atheism:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1786.8528
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Having Toyota take over General Motors would not only be in America's
economic interest, it would also be in America's geopolitical interest.
"What's good for Toyota is good for the USA," somehow, doesn't
quite have the same ring to it.
Neither did the original.
On average, a Japanese (or a German for that matter) CEO makes about
17-19 times the salary of a factory floor employee. The monetary
bonuses that they receive is rarely higher than a year's income.
On average, an American CEO makes about 100-150 times the salary of an
average factory floor worker. Not counting bonuses.
No need to do the math...
This is called 'trickle down' economics, and we benefit from it in the
UK. As we all know, the fact that a few people at the top have vastly
inflated incomes unrelated to their performance in their jobs benefits
the rest of society. It's called 'wealth creation'. The classic case in
the UK was the collapse of Marconi, after which the CEO responsible for
the whole sorry business walked away with a bonus of £1,000,000 on top
of his already extremely generous salary and pension rights - this
after reducing the value of the company to 5% of what it was when he
took on the job.
If you dare to point out that for 90% of the population the income
levels and standard of living are dropping rather than improving, it
shows that you are nothing less than a rabid communist seeking to
overthrow the capitalist system.
RF
I'd also like to mention that I when I sent in my last car payment for
my Camry to Toyota Financial Services, it seems I made an error when I
wrote my check. They informed me of what my error was and sent me
something because of it...a check for 68 cents.
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| User: "Paul J Gans" |
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19 Jun 2005 03:11:18 AM |
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In talk.origins Richard Forrest <richard@plesiosaur.com> wrote:
mvillanu@gmail.com wrote:
Paul J Gans wrote:
In talk.origins Lars Eighner <eighner@io.com> wrote:
In our last episode,
<1119043279.084848.79110@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, the
lovely and talented maff broadcast on alt.atheism:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1786.8528
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Having Toyota take over General Motors would not only be in America's
economic interest, it would also be in America's geopolitical interest.
"What's good for Toyota is good for the USA," somehow, doesn't
quite have the same ring to it.
Neither did the original.
On average, a Japanese (or a German for that matter) CEO makes about
17-19 times the salary of a factory floor employee. The monetary
bonuses that they receive is rarely higher than a year's income.
On average, an American CEO makes about 100-150 times the salary of an
average factory floor worker. Not counting bonuses.
No need to do the math...
This is called 'trickle down' economics, and we benefit from it in the
UK. As we all know, the fact that a few people at the top have vastly
inflated incomes unrelated to their performance in their jobs benefits
the rest of society. It's called 'wealth creation'. The classic case in
the UK was the collapse of Marconi, after which the CEO responsible for
the whole sorry business walked away with a bonus of ?1,000,000 on top
of his already extremely generous salary and pension rights - this
after reducing the value of the company to 5% of what it was when he
took on the job.
If you dare to point out that for 90% of the population the income
levels and standard of living are dropping rather than improving, it
shows that you are nothing less than a rabid communist seeking to
overthrow the capitalist system.
If you Brits don't stop emulating us, you will
end up in the same sorry state.
What the trickle-down folks don't tell you is that the
millions paid in salary and bonuses was mainly extracted
from the poorest 2/3 of the population -- who are now
waiting stupidly for it to trickle back down to them?
The only thing that trickles down that way is fertilzer.
---- Paul J. Gans
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| User: "Rev. Maeljin" |
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19 Jun 2005 07:28:18 AM |
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Richard Forrest <richard@plesiosaur.com> wrote:
This is called 'trickle down' economics, and we benefit from it in the
UK. As we all know, the fact that a few people at the top have vastly
inflated incomes unrelated to their performance in their jobs benefits
the rest of society. It's called 'wealth creation'. The classic case in
the UK was the collapse of Marconi, after which the CEO responsible for
the whole sorry business walked away with a bonus of £1,000,000 on top
of his already extremely generous salary and pension rights - this
after reducing the value of the company to 5% of what it was when he
took on the job.
Isn't it what just happened with MG-Rover's bankrupt?
--
"Rev. Maeljin is a merry fellow;
Dull black his Glock is, and its brass-jacketed rounds are yellow."
Universal Life Church Minister, ordained December Seventh 2001
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| User: "" |
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19 Jun 2005 08:19:05 AM |
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Rev. Maeljin wrote:
Richard Forrest <richard@plesiosaur.com> wrote:
This is called 'trickle down' economics, and we benefit from it in the
UK. As we all know, the fact that a few people at the top have vastly
inflated incomes unrelated to their performance in their jobs benefits
the rest of society. It's called 'wealth creation'. The classic case in
the UK was the collapse of Marconi, after which the CEO responsible for
the whole sorry business walked away with a bonus of £1,000,000 on top
of his already extremely generous salary and pension rights - this
after reducing the value of the company to 5% of what it was when he
took on the job.
Isn't it what just happened with MG-Rover's bankrupt?
Pretty well: the company was bought for nothing by a bunch of crooks
(with the full support of the government, I might add) who paid
themselves huge salaries, built up huge pension funds for themselves,
fiddled the books to hide millions and millions of pounds which had
gone astray, then walked away scott-free.
Isn't capitalism fun when you're at the top?
RF
--
"Rev. Maeljin is a merry fellow;
Dull black his Glock is, and its brass-jacketed rounds are yellow."
Universal Life Church Minister, ordained December Seventh 2001
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19 Jun 2005 09:05:05 AM |
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<richard@plesiosaur.com> wrote:
Isn't it what just happened with MG-Rover's bankrupt?
Pretty well: the company was bought for nothing by a bunch of crooks
(with the full support of the government, I might add) who paid
themselves huge salaries, built up huge pension funds for themselves,
fiddled the books to hide millions and millions of pounds which had
gone astray, then walked away scott-free.
Isn't capitalism fun when you're at the top?
I'm sure Jebus will punish them with hellfire.
--
"Rev. Maeljin is a merry fellow;
Dull black his Glock is, and its brass-jacketed rounds are yellow."
Universal Life Church Minister, ordained December Seventh 2001
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| User: "Paul J Gans" |
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20 Jun 2005 12:39:46 AM |
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In talk.origins Rev. Maeljin <maeljin@libero.it> wrote:
<richard@plesiosaur.com> wrote:
Isn't it what just happened with MG-Rover's bankrupt?
Pretty well: the company was bought for nothing by a bunch of crooks
(with the full support of the government, I might add) who paid
themselves huge salaries, built up huge pension funds for themselves,
fiddled the books to hide millions and millions of pounds which had
gone astray, then walked away scott-free.
Isn't capitalism fun when you're at the top?
I'm sure Jebus will punish them with hellfire.
Who, the stockholders who have to undergo the fiction
that they own and run the company?
---- Paul J. Gans
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| User: "Paul J Gans" |
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19 Jun 2005 03:02:07 AM |
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In talk.origins wrote:
Paul J Gans wrote:
In talk.origins Lars Eighner <eighner@io.com> wrote:
In our last episode,
<1119043279.084848.79110@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, the
lovely and talented maff broadcast on alt.atheism:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1786.8528
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Having Toyota take over General Motors would not only be in America's
economic interest, it would also be in America's geopolitical interest.
"What's good for Toyota is good for the USA," somehow, doesn't
quite have the same ring to it.
Neither did the original.
On average, a Japanese (or a German for that matter) CEO makes about
17-19 times the salary of a factory floor employee. The monetary
bonuses that they receive is rarely higher than a year's income.
On average, an American CEO makes about 100-150 times the salary of an
average factory floor worker. Not counting bonuses.
No need to do the math...
I'd also like to mention that I when I sent in my last car payment for
my Camry to Toyota Financial Services, it seems I made an error when I
wrote my check. They informed me of what my error was and sent me
something because of it...a check for 68 cents.
It just so happens that I drive a Toyota. My second
one. Never had an American car as good.
---- Paul J. Gans
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| User: "Nivlem" |
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19 Jun 2005 02:59:23 PM |
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 03:02:07 +0000 (UTC), Paul J Gans
<gans@panix.com> wrote:
In talk.origins wrote:
Paul J Gans wrote:
In talk.origins Lars Eighner <eighner@io.com> wrote:
In our last episode,
<1119043279.084848.79110@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, the
lovely and talented maff broadcast on alt.atheism:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1786.8528
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Having Toyota take over General Motors would not only be in America's
economic interest, it would also be in America's geopolitical interest.
"What's good for Toyota is good for the USA," somehow, doesn't
quite have the same ring to it.
Neither did the original.
On average, a Japanese (or a German for that matter) CEO makes about
17-19 times the salary of a factory floor employee. The monetary
bonuses that they receive is rarely higher than a year's income.
On average, an American CEO makes about 100-150 times the salary of an
average factory floor worker. Not counting bonuses.
No need to do the math...
I'd also like to mention that I when I sent in my last car payment for
my Camry to Toyota Financial Services, it seems I made an error when I
wrote my check. They informed me of what my error was and sent me
something because of it...a check for 68 cents.
It just so happens that I drive a Toyota. My second
one. Never had an American car as good.
I still ride American motorcycles. This is probably because
I'm stupid. I do not, however, buy American cars. I'm
driving a Toyota, too.
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| User: "Paul J Gans" |
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20 Jun 2005 01:07:07 AM |
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In talk.origins Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 03:02:07 +0000 (UTC), Paul J Gans
<gans@panix.com> wrote:
In talk.origins wrote:
Paul J Gans wrote:
In talk.origins Lars Eighner <eighner@io.com> wrote:
In our last episode,
<1119043279.084848.79110@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, the
lovely and talented maff broadcast on alt.atheism:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1786.8528
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Having Toyota take over General Motors would not only be in America's
economic interest, it would also be in America's geopolitical interest.
"What's good for Toyota is good for the USA," somehow, doesn't
quite have the same ring to it.
Neither did the original.
On average, a Japanese (or a German for that matter) CEO makes about
17-19 times the salary of a factory floor employee. The monetary
bonuses that they receive is rarely higher than a year's income.
On average, an American CEO makes about 100-150 times the salary of an
average factory floor worker. Not counting bonuses.
No need to do the math...
I'd also like to mention that I when I sent in my last car payment for
my Camry to Toyota Financial Services, it seems I made an error when I
wrote my check. They informed me of what my error was and sent me
something because of it...a check for 68 cents.
It just so happens that I drive a Toyota. My second
one. Never had an American car as good.
I still ride American motorcycles. This is probably because
I'm stupid. I do not, however, buy American cars. I'm
driving a Toyota, too.
I'm told (but don't know on my own) that American companies
still bother to make decent motorcycles.
--- Paul J. Gans
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| User: "Nivlem" |
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21 Jun 2005 04:37:11 AM |
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On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 01:07:07 +0000 (UTC), Paul J Gans
<gans@panix.com> wrote:
I'm told (but don't know on my own) that American companies
still bother to make decent motorcycles.
--- Paul J. Gans
Until the mid-80's Harley made crap. They only did something
about it when it became clear that they either produce
something that handled somewhat better, spewed less oil and
needed fewer adjustments, sort of like what the Japanese
were making, or die. In 1982, I think it was, Harley only
sold 3,000 units.
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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21 Jun 2005 05:50:17 AM |
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Nivlem wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 01:07:07 +0000 (UTC), Paul J Gans
<gans@panix.com> wrote:
I'm told (but don't know on my own) that American companies
still bother to make decent motorcycles.
--- Paul J. Gans
Until the mid-80's Harley made crap. They only did something
about it when it became clear that they either produce
something that handled somewhat better, spewed less oil and
needed fewer adjustments, sort of like what the Japanese
were making, or die. In 1982, I think it was, Harley only
sold 3,000 units.
Part of the problem in Australia is that Harleys are imported in pieces and
assembled by morons at the 'bike vendors. I'm told that if they are imported
assembled from America they are a lot more reliable.
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
"Darwin's theory has no more to do with philosophy than any other
hypothesis in natural science." Tractatus 4.1122
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19 Jun 2005 11:45:46 PM |
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Nivlem wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 03:02:07 +0000 (UTC), Paul J Gans
<gans@panix.com> wrote:
In talk.origins wrote:
Paul J Gans wrote:
In talk.origins Lars Eighner <eighner@io.com> wrote:
In our last episode,
<1119043279.084848.79110@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, the
lovely and talented maff broadcast on alt.atheism:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1786.8528
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Having Toyota take over General Motors would not only be in America's
economic interest, it would also be in America's geopolitical interest.
"What's good for Toyota is good for the USA," somehow, doesn't
quite have the same ring to it.
Neither did the original.
On average, a Japanese (or a German for that matter) CEO makes about
17-19 times the salary of a factory floor employee. The monetary
bonuses that they receive is rarely higher than a year's income.
On average, an American CEO makes about 100-150 times the salary of an
average factory floor worker. Not counting bonuses.
No need to do the math...
I'd also like to mention that I when I sent in my last car payment for
my Camry to Toyota Financial Services, it seems I made an error when I
wrote my check. They informed me of what my error was and sent me
something because of it...a check for 68 cents.
It just so happens that I drive a Toyota. My second
one. Never had an American car as good.
I still ride American motorcycles. This is probably because
I'm stupid. I do not, however, buy American cars. I'm
driving a Toyota, too.
You can only enjoy riding an American motorcycle on a straight road. As soon
as you have to turn it, you're in trouble :-) [Japcrap rider]
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
"Darwin's theory has no more to do with philosophy than any other
hypothesis in natural science." Tractatus 4.1122
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20 Jun 2005 05:24:52 AM |
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John Wilkins wrote:
Nivlem wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 03:02:07 +0000 (UTC), Paul J Gans
<gans@panix.com> wrote:
In talk.origins wrote:
Paul J Gans wrote:
In talk.origins Lars Eighner <eighner@io.com> wrote:
In our last episode,
<1119043279.084848.79110@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, the
lovely and talented maff broadcast on alt.atheism:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1786.8528
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Having Toyota take over General Motors would not only be in America's
economic interest, it would also be in America's geopolitical interest.
"What's good for Toyota is good for the USA," somehow, doesn't
quite have the same ring to it.
Neither did the original.
On average, a Japanese (or a German for that matter) CEO makes about
17-19 times the salary of a factory floor employee. The monetary
bonuses that they receive is rarely higher than a year's income.
On average, an American CEO makes about 100-150 times the salary of an
average factory floor worker. Not counting bonuses.
No need to do the math...
I'd also like to mention that I when I sent in my last car payment for
my Camry to Toyota Financial Services, it seems I made an error when I
wrote my check. They informed me of what my error was and sent me
something because of it...a check for 68 cents.
It just so happens that I drive a Toyota. My second
one. Never had an American car as good.
I still ride American motorcycles. This is probably because
I'm stupid. I do not, however, buy American cars. I'm
driving a Toyota, too.
You can only enjoy riding an American motorcycle on a straight road. As soon
as you have to turn it, you're in trouble :-) [Japcrap rider]
Buy an Italian m/c. My Morini can corner on a sixpence.
Terry Rigby
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
"Darwin's theory has no more to do with philosophy than any other
hypothesis in natural science." Tractatus 4.1122
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| User: "Mark Isaak" |
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20 Jun 2005 07:34:23 PM |
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On 19 Jun 2005 22:24:52 -0700, "T J Rigby" <trigby@multiweb.nl> wrote:
John Wilkins wrote:
Nivlem wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 03:02:07 +0000 (UTC), Paul J Gans
<gans@panix.com> wrote:
In talk.origins wrote:
Paul J Gans wrote:
[...]
On average, a Japanese (or a German for that matter) CEO makes about
17-19 times the salary of a factory floor employee. The monetary
bonuses that they receive is rarely higher than a year's income.
On average, an American CEO makes about 100-150 times the salary of an
average factory floor worker. Not counting bonuses.
No need to do the math...
I'd also like to mention that I when I sent in my last car payment for
my Camry to Toyota Financial Services, it seems I made an error when I
wrote my check. They informed me of what my error was and sent me
something because of it...a check for 68 cents.
It just so happens that I drive a Toyota. My second
one. Never had an American car as good.
I still ride American motorcycles. This is probably because
I'm stupid. I do not, however, buy American cars. I'm
driving a Toyota, too.
You can only enjoy riding an American motorcycle on a straight road. As soon
as you have to turn it, you're in trouble :-) [Japcrap rider]
Buy an Italian m/c. My Morini can corner on a sixpence.
That's the problem. We don't have sixpence pieces in the U.S.
--
Mark Isaak eciton (at) earthlink (dot) net
"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of
the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are
being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
exposing the country to danger." -- Hermann Goering
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| User: "T J Rigby" |
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| Title: Re: OT: As Toyota Goes ... |
21 Jun 2005 09:01:50 AM |
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Insert small coin of your choice instread of sixpence.
Terry Rigby
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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| Title: Re: OT: As Toyota Goes ... |
20 Jun 2005 05:50:35 AM |
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T J Rigby wrote:
John Wilkins wrote:
Nivlem wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 03:02:07 +0000 (UTC), Paul J Gans
<gans@panix.com> wrote:
In talk.origins wrote:
Paul J Gans wrote:
In talk.origins Lars Eighner <eighner@io.com> wrote:
In our last episode,
<1119043279.084848.79110@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, the
lovely and talented maff broadcast on alt.atheism:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1786.8528
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Having Toyota take over General Motors would not only be in America's
economic interest, it would also be in America's geopolitical interest.
"What's good for Toyota is good for the USA," somehow, doesn't
quite have the same ring to it.
Neither did the original.
On average, a Japanese (or a German for that matter) CEO makes about
17-19 times the salary of a factory floor employee. The monetary
bonuses that they receive is rarely higher than a year's income.
On average, an American CEO makes about 100-150 times the salary of an
average factory floor worker. Not counting bonuses.
No need to do the math...
I'd also like to mention that I when I sent in my last car payment for
my Camry to Toyota Financial Services, it seems I made an error when I
wrote my check. They informed me of what my error was and sent me
something because of it...a check for 68 cents.
It just so happens that I drive a Toyota. My second
one. Never had an American car as good.
I still ride American motorcycles. This is probably because
I'm stupid. I do not, however, buy American cars. I'm
driving a Toyota, too.
You can only enjoy riding an American motorcycle on a straight road. As soon
as you have to turn it, you're in trouble :-) [Japcrap rider]
Buy an Italian m/c. My Morini can corner on a sixpence.
Parts might be hard to come by here. But anyway, I don't like the sports bike
form (of any brand). If I replace the Bandit (a half-tourer) I'll probably get
a BMW.
ObInsult: Did you hear that 9/10 Harleys are still on the road? The other one
made it home...
--
John S. Wilkins : evolvethought.blogspot.com
All life is a struggle in the dark
- Titus Lucretius Carus, On the Nature of Things 2.54
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| User: "Michael Siemon" |
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| Title: Re: OT: As Toyota Goes ... |
20 Jun 2005 03:55:58 PM |
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In article <d95lek$aa6$1@bunyip2.cc.uq.edu.au>,
John Wilkins <john@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
.....
Parts might be hard to come by here. But anyway, I don't like the sports bike
form (of any brand). If I replace the Bandit (a half-tourer) I'll probably
get
a BMW.
ObInsult: Did you hear that 9/10 Harleys are still on the road? The other one
made it home...
My brother the mechanic (and former off-road bike racer) has about
30 or so motorcycles in his (and our mother's) garage, in various
states of repair. His own main bike these days is his big BMW, but
the rest are mostly Japanese, with maybe a Husqvarna or two.
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| User: "Richard Forrest" |
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| Title: Re: OT: As Toyota Goes ... |
20 Jun 2005 04:16:35 PM |
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Michael Siemon wrote:
In article <d95lek$aa6$1@bunyip2.cc.uq.edu.au>,
John Wilkins <john@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
....
Parts might be hard to come by here. But anyway, I don't like the sports bike
form (of any brand). If I replace the Bandit (a half-tourer) I'll probably
get
a BMW.
ObInsult: Did you hear that 9/10 Harleys are still on the road? The other one
made it home...
My brother the mechanic (and former off-road bike racer) has about
30 or so motorcycles in his (and our mother's) garage, in various
states of repair. His own main bike these days is his big BMW, but
the rest are mostly Japanese, with maybe a Husqvarna or two.
My brother bought a BMW R80 new 27 years ago.
It has never broken down, and he still rides it regularly.
He's lost count of the number of times it's been round the clock.
RF
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| User: "shane" |
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| Title: Re: OT: As Toyota Goes ... |
20 Jun 2005 08:13:34 AM |
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John Wilkins wrote:
T J Rigby wrote:
John Wilkins wrote:
Nivlem wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 03:02:07 +0000 (UTC), Paul J Gans
<gans@panix.com> wrote:
In talk.origins wrote:
Paul J Gans wrote:
In talk.origins Lars Eighner <eighner@io.com> wrote:
In our last episode,
<1119043279.084848.79110@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, the
lovely and talented maff broadcast on alt.atheism:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1786.8528
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Having Toyota take over General Motors would not only be in America's
economic interest, it would also be in America's geopolitical interest.
"What's good for Toyota is good for the USA," somehow, doesn't
quite have the same ring to it.
Neither did the original.
On average, a Japanese (or a German for that matter) CEO makes about
17-19 times the salary of a factory floor employee. The monetary
bonuses that they receive is rarely higher than a year's income.
On average, an American CEO makes about 100-150 times the salary of an
average factory floor worker. Not counting bonuses.
No need to do the math...
I'd also like to mention that I when I sent in my last car payment for
my Camry to Toyota Financial Services, it seems I made an error when I
wrote my check. They informed me of what my error was and sent me
something because of it...a check for 68 cents.
It just so happens that I drive a Toyota. My second
one. Never had an American car as good.
I still ride American motorcycles. This is probably because
I'm stupid. I do not, however, buy American cars. I'm
driving a Toyota, too.
You can only enjoy riding an American motorcycle on a straight road. As soon
as you have to turn it, you're in trouble :-) [Japcrap rider]
Buy an Italian m/c. My Morini can corner on a sixpence.
Parts might be hard to come by here. But anyway, I don't like the sports bike
form (of any brand). If I replace the Bandit (a half-tourer) I'll probably get
a BMW.
ObInsult: Did you hear that 9/10 Harleys are still on the road? The other one
made it home...
Coincidentally i heard a harley joke today, in the motorbike shop where
i was sorting out the purchase of jap bike No. 6.
So, at the risk of being hunted down and killed, or worse,
What is the difference between a vaccuum cleaner and a harley?
The position of the dirt bag.
--
shane
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| User: "Glenn Arnold" |
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| Title: Re: OT: As Toyota Goes ... |
20 Jun 2005 11:37:18 PM |
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John Wilkins wrote:
T J Rigby wrote:
John Wilkins wrote:
Nivlem wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 03:02:07 +0000 (UTC), Paul J Gans
<gans@panix.com> wrote:
In talk.origins wrote:
Paul J Gans wrote:
In talk.origins Lars Eighner <eighner@io.com> wrote:
In our last episode,
<1119043279.084848.79110@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, the
lovely and talented maff broadcast on alt.atheism:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1786.8528
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Having Toyota take over General Motors would not only be in America's
economic interest, it would also be in America's geopolitical interest.
"What's good for Toyota is good for the USA," somehow, doesn't
quite have the same ring to it.
Neither did the original.
On average, a Japanese (or a German for that matter) CEO makes about
17-19 times the salary of a factory floor employee. The monetary
bonuses that they receive is rarely higher than a year's income.
On average, an American CEO makes about 100-150 times the salary of an
average factory floor worker. Not counting bonuses.
No need to do the math...
I'd also like to mention that I when I sent in my last car payment for
my Camry to Toyota Financial Services, it seems I made an error when I
wrote my check. They informed me of what my error was and sent me
something because of it...a check for 68 cents.
It just so happens that I drive a Toyota. My second
one. Never had an American car as good.
I still ride American motorcycles. This is probably because
I'm stupid. I do not, however, buy American cars. I'm
driving a Toyota, too.
You can only enjoy riding an American motorcycle on a straight road. As soon
as you have to turn it, you're in trouble :-) [Japcrap rider]
Buy an Italian m/c. My Morini can corner on a sixpence.
Parts might be hard to come by here. But anyway, I don't like the sports bike
form (of any brand). If I replace the Bandit (a half-tourer) I'll probably get
a BMW.
ObInsult: Did you hear that 9/10 Harleys are still on the road? The other one
made it home...
Harley Davidson announced recently that plans to develop a Harley Davidson brand
television set had to be postponed until they could figure out how to make them
leak oil.
Glenn Arnold
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: OT: As Toyota Goes ... |
21 Jun 2005 06:28:14 AM |
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Glenn Arnold wrote:
<snipped>
Harley Davidson announced recently that plans to develop a Harley Davidson brand
television set had to be postponed until they could figure out how to make them
leak oil.
<snipped>
Leak oil? Harleys? Pah! Amateurs!
Many years ago, I owned Triumph Trident. Wonderful machine, amazing
handling. And it could leak oil like a champion! It was rather like
having an incontinent dog.
I replaced the gaskets on the crankcase (what demented luntatic decreed
that the crankcases on British bike should be split *vertically*, so
that they were guaranteed to leak on the slightest pretext). It leaked
even more. I took the engine apart and rebuilt it from scratch. It
still leaked.
There were times when riding that bike was pure ecstacy; winding
country lanes, where I could flip it from side to side, scratching the
footrest on one side, then up, dropping into the next corner,
scratching the other peg, and lifting out in a great surge of power. I
still dream of it.
But then there were the times when it wouldn't start, for no apparent
reason. When it suddenly blew a gasket, and showered passers-by and the
motorists I'd just roared past with a spray of oil. And ultimately,
when I was bombing down the A2 at 120 miles an hour, and the engine
siezed. I was lucky to survive, and amazingly suffered only a few,
though rather spectacular bruises.
I went into the bike shop by the back door so that my mates couldn't
see me, and under heavy disguise bought a Kawasaki Z650. It didn't
handle like the Trident, though it was little faster in a straight
line. But it started first time ever time. It never leaked oil. I
discovered that you need to service a bike, rather than simply fixing
the next thing that goes wrong or drops off. I ran it for several years
until finances and family forced me into a box with a wheel at each
corner.
It never let me down. But I never loved it.
RF
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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| Title: Re: OT: As Toyota Goes ... |
21 Jun 2005 06:36:20 AM |
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wrote:
Glenn Arnold wrote:
<snipped>
Harley Davidson announced recently that plans to develop a Harley Davidson brand
television set had to be postponed until they could figure out how to make them
leak oil.
<snipped>
Leak oil? Harleys? Pah! Amateurs!
Many years ago, I owned Triumph Trident. Wonderful machine, amazing
handling. And it could leak oil like a champion! It was rather like
having an incontinent dog.
I replaced the gaskets on the crankcase (what demented luntatic decreed
that the crankcases on British bike should be split *vertically*, so
that they were guaranteed to leak on the slightest pretext). It leaked
even more. I took the engine apart and rebuilt it from scratch. It
still leaked.
There were times when riding that bike was pure ecstacy; winding
country lanes, where I could flip it from side to side, scratching the
footrest on one side, then up, dropping into the next corner,
scratching the other peg, and lifting out in a great surge of power. I
still dream of it.
But then there were the times when it wouldn't start, for no apparent
reason. When it suddenly blew a gasket, and showered passers-by and the
motorists I'd just roared past with a spray of oil. And ultimately,
when I was bombing down the A2 at 120 miles an hour, and the engine
siezed. I was lucky to survive, and amazingly suffered only a few,
though rather spectacular bruises.
I went into the bike shop by the back door so that my mates couldn't
see me, and under heavy disguise bought a Kawasaki Z650. It didn't
handle like the Trident, though it was little faster in a straight
line. But it started first time ever time. It never leaked oil. I
discovered that you need to service a bike, rather than simply fixing
the next thing that goes wrong or drops off. I ran it for several years
until finances and family forced me into a box with a wheel at each
corner.
It never let me down. But I never loved it.
RF
One time, a *very* old Trident [I think it was; it might have been an Indian]
blew a cylinder at a city intersection in front of me. The policeman directing
the traffic burst out laughing and went and picked up the cylinder head.
The moral is: don't pick up a recently blown *cast iron* cylinder head with
your bare hands. The rider got some sort of consolation out of it, watching
the cop dance around in pain...
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
"Darwin's theory has no more to do with philosophy than any other
hypothesis in natural science." Tractatus 4.1122
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| User: "Richard Forrest" |
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| Title: Re: OT: As Toyota Goes ... |
21 Jun 2005 09:13:02 AM |
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John Wilkins wrote:
<snipped> One time, a *very* old Trident [I think it was; it might have
been an Indian]
blew a cylinder at a city intersection in front of me. The policeman directing
the traffic burst out laughing and went and picked up the cylinder head.
<snipped>
Mind you, it was Norton Commandos which were notorious for that
particular trick.
When they bored out their 750 to make the 850 engine, they neglected to
beef up the crank to deal with the higher stresses. The result was that
the it would sheer and disintegrate when travelling at high speed,
sending the pistons straight up through the petrol tank with the
velocity of a bullet. If you were lying flat on the tank at the time to
reduce wind resistance the results were...messy.
RF
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| User: "Glenn Arnold" |
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21 Jun 2005 11:16:10 PM |
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wrote:
Glenn Arnold wrote:
<snipped>
Harley Davidson announced recently that plans to develop a Harley Davidson brand
television set had to be postponed until they could figure out how to make them
leak oil.
<snipped>
Leak oil? Harleys? Pah! Amateurs!
Many years ago, I owned Triumph Trident. Wonderful machine, amazing
handling. And it could leak oil like a champion! It was rather like
having an incontinent dog.
I replaced the gaskets on the crankcase (what demented luntatic decreed
that the crankcases on British bike should be split *vertically*, so
that they were guaranteed to leak on the slightest pretext). It leaked
even more. I took the engine apart and rebuilt it from scratch. It
still leaked.
Yeah, the British can build engines that leak even better than American iron, that's
true. I used to work on Jaguars. The only car I've ever seen that had a 12 quart
sump... and needed every ounce. Some of them were even larger, I think.
British cars also have extremely innovative ways of self destructing. I particularly
liked the way the collars around the valve springs could bounce up and down in the
Jags, until they chewed through the camshaft. "Rod knock?" "No, that's the valve
train." (!?)
Glenn Arnold
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: OT: As Toyota Goes ... |
22 Jun 2005 07:20:21 AM |
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Glenn Arnold wrote:
<snipped>
Yeah, the British can build engines that leak even better than American iron, that's
true. I used to work on Jaguars. The only car I've ever seen that had a 12 quart
sump... and needed every ounce. Some of them were even larger, I think.
British cars also have extremely innovative ways of self destructing. I particularly
liked the way the collars around the valve springs could bounce up and down in the
Jags, until they chewed through the camshaft. "Rod knock?" "No, that's the valve
train." (!?)
Glenn Arnold
Mind you, when you put a 4.2 litre jag engine into the body of an
Austin Healey (one of the most beautiful cars ever made), the result is
....interesting.
The problem with British engineering is the inconsistency. When they
get it right, the result is superb - look at the 3.5 litre rover
engine, or the jet engines produced by Rolls-Royce. When they get it
wrong (and it usually through stupid oversights, lack of development
funding and unnecessary cost-cutting) the reputation is blown.
There are times I despair.
RF
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| User: "T J Rigby" |
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21 Jun 2005 08:59:29 AM |
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Someone I knew at Uni had a Velocette Viper that spewed oil. It was so
bad he had to carry a gallon can of oil to keep the oil tank topped up.
Eventually it was discovered that the rocker oil feed pipe had a
hairline crack which had been impossible to see through the oil coating
the engine.
Meanwhile my Venom Clubman only dribbled a lttle oil from the primary
drive cover.
Terry Rigby
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