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User: "Xavier Sloane"
Date: 02 Feb 2004 05:50:00 PM
Object: OT: ATTN: Michael Davis
"Michael Davis" <mdavis19@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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Wow! Another really frothy kookrant! You never fail to amuse. You
do however fail to get anything correct. Let's take a look at the
long list of things you got wrong:

1. Calling someone a Nazi is the same as comparing them with
Nazis. Ditto for calling them antything else.

LOL...so are you saying that if you call someone a "worm" you are therefore
comparing that person to an *actual* worm? How stupid can you possibly be?
If you compare someone to a worm, you would quickly realize that said person
is definitely NOT a worm (worms don't have eyes, earlobes, bones, etc.). If
you call someone a worm, you are therefore definitely NOT comparing that
person to a worm (otherwise you wouldn't call him that).
Figurative speech and colloquialisms aren't the same thing as comparisons.
A first year college student knows at least *that* much.
Do you have *any* concept of the English language?

2. Nobody ever gave me anything (except the USA which gave me
opportunity).

The USA doesn't give opportunity. It squashes it.

I was born into a dirt-poor family.

You are obviously a liar.

I worked for
everything I have, and have no pity whatsoever for lazy bastards
like you who want everything simply handed to them.

Straw-man. When did I *ever* say that I wanted everything handed to me?
Can you come up with even *one* instance? And by what justification do you
call me a "lazy *****"? Where the hell did you get the idea? Because I
don't think (like you do) that poor people should be put in jail for
attempting to find work?
Listen buddy, I don't know what assylum you broke out of, but you don't
appear to have a coherent sense of reality. You're making things up out of
thin air, and (frighteningly) you seem to believe them.

3. I am not religious. On the contrary, I am a life-long atheist.

On the contrary, you are EXTREMELY religious - only instead of worshipping
the Christian's God, you deify your government and your nation. You defend
them with the same irrational fervor that Christians use to defend their
God. To you, any act of evil comitted by the government is OK, and the
government can do no wrong (except perhaps for being too tough on all you
poor oppressed rich people and too easy on those wretched, lazy bums
scrapping by any way they possibly can).
In fact, you even said there should be harsher penalties for people who
can't afford to pay insurance but who attempt to look for work anyway.
You've said that anyone caught driving without insurance (presumably,
they're only driving because they're looking for work so they *can* afford
insurance) should be locked-up. But we'll forget about the inescapable
paradox that creates for the moment. Then you call those people, who bust
their asses everyday looking for jobs in an economy in which unemployed
people outnumber job opportunities, "lazy". You remind me of those
Christians who say that all those innocent little "pagan" children who died
during the great flood, and the innocent men and women who died during the
crusades and the Witch-hunts "got off easy". Not only do you defend
indefensible EVIL, but you actually seem to think those at the recieving end
deserve WORSE than what they get.

4. I am not a republican. I am an Independent who usually votes
Democratic. Most Democrats are good capitalists, in case you
didn't know. The right wing has no monopoly on capitalism. It is
the foundation of this nation, regardless of party affiliation.

And that's why America is corrupt. Of course it's the least corrupt of all
the nations on Earth, but it's still corrupt. America may be the best
country in the world, but that ain't saying much.

5. "Pencil pushers" (your term) do useful work too.

Useful busywork that deserves a lot less pay than what they get.

After all, it
takes more than just "broom pushers" to make a society work.

Undoubtedly, but pushing a broom is a lot harder than pushing a pencil.
I've done both. I've done tech-support, graphic design, web design, and
janitorial. Part-time janitorial was far, far more exhausting (even
painful) than full-time deskwork. Yet I made $20.00 per hour doing graphic
design, and only $7.50 per hour doing janitorial. It should've been the
other way around.

In
fact, it could be argued that working with your brain is more
valuable and should be better compensated than working with your
back.

Working with your brain is much, much easier than working with your back. I
speak from experience. Anyone can quickly learn how to keep books or manage
a store (especially since management consists of telling others what to do
while the manager sits on his fat lazy *****, gets drunk at 9:00am and leaves
in the middle of the day to play golf while those who get payed less than
him do all the work). Not everyone has the physical endurance to do
professional cleaning, which can quickly turn even the strongest guy's back
into a pretzel.

After all, anyone can push a broom,

For short periods of time. After a few years or even *months*, the person
pushing the broom can have serious, permanent back problems.
Professional/industrial cleaning isn't as easy as it looks.

but not everyone can
design a building,

Given 3 - 6 months of intensive study, *anyone* could design a building.
Not anyone could do it well, though. But then, when it comes to designing a
building *well*, you leave the arena of pencil-pushing and enter the arena
of the arts.
I never said that broom-pushers should be making more money than artists,
philosophers, teachers, scientists, musicians, poets, or clergy. I only
said that broom-pushers should make more than your run-of-the-mill pencil
pushers.

run a corporation,

You mean tell other people what to do while you sit on your *****, hire
hookers, snort cocain, and molest your children? Corporate types are the
scum of the earth.

Since brains are scarcer than backs, the laws
of economics dictate that brain power is worth more than muscle
power. And that is in fact the way it is.

Brains are only scarcer than backs because decent educations are withheld
from all but the scarce few whose parents have deep, deep pockets. Granted
there are probably a few exceptions. What about highly intelligent children
from poor families who goof-off in gradeschool and don't do their work, and
lose their chance at a scholarship because of this? They don't lack brains,
and they don't necessarily lack the ability to work hard. Just because a
kid liked to goof-off (which is what kids are SUPPOSED to do), he could
loose his chance at a decent future, no matter how intelligent or
hard-working her turns out to be as an adult - unless he has a rich family,
that is.
Then of course there are those little children who buckle down and work hard
throughout school (even gradeschool, when they should be playing and having
fun), and allow themselves to be completely brainwashed by the
robot-factory...er...I mean "public school system". They tend to do very
well regardless of their parents' income. These are the sorts who end up
defending the government no matter what evil the government is guilty of,
wave "support our troops" banners when our military invades an innocent
nation and kills civilians, and always stand for the national anthem. Such
people are nothing more than mindless drones trained to always be loyal to
the "Evil Race of Oppressors" (aka - wealthy persons, Christian clergy,
politicians, and lawmen).
Brains are scarcer than backs because the rich suppress the brains of the
poor. One of the most intelligent people I've ever met has an IQ of 85!
That's 15 points below average! 15 points worth of general knowledge he
lacked and critical thinking skills he could've EASILY learned.

6. The guys in the orange jumpsuits working on the side of the
road are not slaves. They are criminals who broke the law and are
serving their sentence.

Robin Hood (if the stories about him are true and not as grossly exaggerated
as we tend to think) would be considered a "criminal" by our modern-day
government. Sure stealing from the rich and giving to the poor wouldn't get
you hanged like it would've in his day, so things have improved a little.
The point is, though, that he wasn't a villain. He was a hero, and one of
history's greatests at that.
Just because someone is a "criminal" doesn't make that person a villain or a
badguy. I've found that most "criminals" are decent, moral, honorable
individuals who are just trying to get by. In fact, it's been my experience
that drug-dealers, gang-bangers, and pig-killers are more honest and
trustworthy than judges, cops, and business men.

If you ask them I'm sure they'd tell you
that they prefer community service over sitting in a cell and
whiling away the days twiddling their thumbs between sessions of
doing their wifely duties to their cell mate Bubba.

I'm sure they would. The point is that most've those guys shouldn't have
had to make that choice to begin with. Since the late 1970's, more than 95
people sitting on death-row (35 of them for 10 years or more) were
exonerated of their crimes due to new DNA evidence and set free. I wonder
how many more innocent people are still in prison, or how many were
executed. I wonder, if that many innocent people could be found guilty of
MURDER, how many more must be rotting away for lesser crimes that they
didn't commit.
The U.S. has only 5% of the world's population, but 25% of the world's
prison population. I'd be surprised if even one out of every ten people in
prison were actually guilty of anything.

7. You claim to have an IQ of 138 but none of it shows through in
your posts. Quite the contrary. you come across as a low-grade
moron. So it is safe to assume you were exaggerating.

This coming from a guy who can't even grasp rudimentary english...

8. There are no peasants in this country. Peasants are by
definition people with fewer or no rights. In the USA everyone has
the same rights and opportunities.

That's the biggest load if ***** I've ever heard. I remember a few months
ago the local supermarket had 1 (one) opening for a stock-boy. Within two
days, more than three hundred people applied for the position. There are
simply fewer opportunities than there are people.

Not everyone has the same drive
or will to succeed though.

I never said they did, but just because someone is poor or unemployed
doesn't mean they don't have just as much drive or will to succeed as some
rich cracker CEO. Saying that poor/unemployed people are "lazy" in today's
economy is essentially the same as saying that those starving children in
Africa are "anorexic". Get it through your thick skull, most unemployed
people aren't unemployed by choice or out of laziness. There just aren't
enough opportunities to go around.

9. The state doesn't coddle the rich. It taxes them unfairly at a
higher rate than the poor or middle class and in essence punishes
them for being successful.

You're an idiot. Bill Gates has something like 30 BILLION dollars (his
exact worth fluctuates because most of his money is in stocks, so who knows
how much he has this week). Yet, if you were to take 25 BILLION dollars
away from him, he'd still be a MULTI-BILLIONAIRE.
Higher taxes for the rich aren't unfair, they're perfectly reasonable.

Punishing success is stupid policy.

But expecting those who are more successful to put more back into the
community that gave them their success isn't. Bill Gates wouldn't be worth
a damn dime if poor and middle-class people weren't buying his products.
Those who are most successful are the ones who owe the most to the society
that made them successful.

This is one of the more socialist aspects of American society and
it ought to be scrapped.

Right, so the rich can become richer at an even faster rate, and more poor
people who are honestly trying as hard as they can to find work and build
lives for themselves can end up in the gutter.

10. There will never be a revolution by your kind. Anarchists
don't organize well. Organization is after all the opposite of
anarchy.

Appearently, you know very little of Anarchism (aka Social Libertarianism).

That's just the top 10 things you were wrong or were lying about
in this post alone. I could go on and on. However, these 10 points
alone do a pretty good job of showing how utterly clueless and
misguided you are.

Those ten points only serve to show that you lack anything resembling
reasoning skills or a coherent sense of reality.

Seek help, or at the very least an education.

I have an education, and unlike you, I also have some awareness of the world
around me. At least I'm not claiming that poor people are "lazy" because I
know what the American economy is like right now, and it's because of
money-grubbing assholes like you.
Peace Out, Mindless Fuckwit,
- Xavier Sloane
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User: "Woodsy"

Title: Re: ATTN: Michael Davis 03 Feb 2004 07:52:57 AM
"Xavier Sloane" <xavier_sloane@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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SNIP< < < < < <

In fact, you even said there should be harsher penalties for people who
can't afford to pay insurance but who attempt to look for work anyway.
You've said that anyone caught driving without insurance (presumably,
they're only driving because they're looking for work so they *can* afford
insurance) should be locked-up. But we'll forget about the inescapable
paradox that creates for the moment. Then you call those people, who bust
their asses everyday looking for jobs in an economy in which unemployed
people outnumber job opportunities, "lazy".

SNIP< < < < < < < < <

Ummmm.....
So, taking a bus or other public transportation to look for work is not
acceptable to you? Looking for work within walking distance of your home is
not OK either?
Right.
Woodsy
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User: "Xavier Sloane"

Title: Re: ATTN: Michael Davis 03 Feb 2004 01:05:16 PM
"Woodsy" <woodsy@woodsy.com> wrote in message
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So, taking a bus or other public transportation to look for work is not
acceptable to you? Looking for work within walking distance of your home

is

not OK either?

Right.

Those things are great if you live in a highly centralized metropolitan
area. But not everyone does. A lot of people don't live within 5 or 10
miles of the nearest business, except for possibly the corner store that
can't afford to hire anyone.
There's three businesses within a walking distance of my home - a mortuary,
an adult book store, and a 7-11. Neither of those three have any openings
or can afford to hire anyone extra (though I keep trying at 7-11 on a
regular basis, just in case), and they're each more than an hour's walk from
where I live. So, if I want to find work, I have to jump in my car and head
to the nearest town.
Also, since this whole area is pretty much just a series of small towns,
most of them with 10 - 40 miles of space between them, most employers ask
that applicants have "reliable, personal transportation" (automobiles). So
it's the EMPLOYERS who are decideding that taking a bus or other
transportation is not acceptable.
Listen, if I lived in a place like Olympia or downtown Seattle, I'd be happy
to walk or take the bus to look for work. But I don't have that option.
Neither do a lot of other people. Personally, I think it's extremely
ignorant of you to assume that everyone *does* have that option. Of course,
maybe you're one of those people who lives in a larger city and just assumes
that the entire world is just one big metroplex.
- X
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User: "Woodsy"

Title: Re: ATTN: Michael Davis 03 Feb 2004 02:55:47 PM
"Xavier Sloane" <xavier_sloane@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Woodsy" <woodsy@woodsy.com> wrote in message
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So, taking a bus or other public transportation to look for work is not
acceptable to you? Looking for work within walking distance of your

home

is

not OK either?

Right.


Those things are great if you live in a highly centralized metropolitan
area. But not everyone does. A lot of people don't live within 5 or 10
miles of the nearest business, except for possibly the corner store that
can't afford to hire anyone.

There's three businesses within a walking distance of my home - a

mortuary,

an adult book store, and a 7-11. Neither of those three have any openings
or can afford to hire anyone extra (though I keep trying at 7-11 on a
regular basis, just in case), and they're each more than an hour's walk

from

where I live. So, if I want to find work, I have to jump in my car and

head

to the nearest town.

Also, since this whole area is pretty much just a series of small towns,
most of them with 10 - 40 miles of space between them, most employers ask
that applicants have "reliable, personal transportation" (automobiles).

So

it's the EMPLOYERS who are decideding that taking a bus or other
transportation is not acceptable.

Listen, if I lived in a place like Olympia or downtown Seattle, I'd be

happy

to walk or take the bus to look for work. But I don't have that option.
Neither do a lot of other people. Personally, I think it's extremely
ignorant of you to assume that everyone *does* have that option. Of

course,

maybe you're one of those people who lives in a larger city and just

assumes

that the entire world is just one big metroplex.

- X

Here's an option to try on for size. Many people do move to where the jobs
are located. Failing that, if one should have some sort of marketable
skill, they start their own business.
Woodsy
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User: "John Baker"

Title: Re: ATTN: Michael Davis 03 Feb 2004 05:33:16 PM
"Woodsy" <woodsy@woodsy.com> wrote in message
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"Xavier Sloane" <xavier_sloane@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Woodsy" <woodsy@woodsy.com> wrote in message
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So, taking a bus or other public transportation to look for work is

not

acceptable to you? Looking for work within walking distance of your

home

is

not OK either?

Right.


Those things are great if you live in a highly centralized metropolitan
area. But not everyone does. A lot of people don't live within 5 or 10
miles of the nearest business, except for possibly the corner store that
can't afford to hire anyone.

There's three businesses within a walking distance of my home - a

mortuary,

an adult book store, and a 7-11. Neither of those three have any

openings

or can afford to hire anyone extra (though I keep trying at 7-11 on a
regular basis, just in case), and they're each more than an hour's walk

from

where I live. So, if I want to find work, I have to jump in my car and

head

to the nearest town.

Also, since this whole area is pretty much just a series of small towns,
most of them with 10 - 40 miles of space between them, most employers

ask

that applicants have "reliable, personal transportation" (automobiles).

So

it's the EMPLOYERS who are decideding that taking a bus or other
transportation is not acceptable.

Listen, if I lived in a place like Olympia or downtown Seattle, I'd be

happy

to walk or take the bus to look for work. But I don't have that option.
Neither do a lot of other people. Personally, I think it's extremely
ignorant of you to assume that everyone *does* have that option. Of

course,

maybe you're one of those people who lives in a larger city and just

assumes

that the entire world is just one big metroplex.

- X

Here's an option to try on for size. Many people do move to where the jobs
are located. Failing that, if one should have some sort of marketable
skill, they start their own business.

Which doesn't change the fact that Davis and Sloane are both wack jobs. <G>


Woodsy


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User: "Xavier Sloane"

Title: Re: ATTN: Michael Davis 03 Feb 2004 09:35:12 PM
"Woodsy" <woodsy@woodsy.com> wrote in message
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"Xavier Sloane" <xavier_sloane@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Here's an option to try on for size. Many people do move to where the jobs
are located. Failing that, if one should have some sort of marketable
skill, they start their own business.

Unfortunatley, both of those things take money. Takes money to make money.
It's a really frustrating paradox. I just figure people do what they gotta
do to get money (even if it means breaking the law), and as soon as they are
able, they start living normal, law-obiding lives. I've known a lot of
people who were poor, couldn't find work, and started slangin' drugs to make
ends meet. They took that money, bought some nice clothes, moved to the
nearest big town / small city, got a normal job, stopped dealing drugs, and
began living a "normal life".
Desperate times call for desperate measures. It's just a shame that it has
to be like that sometimes. I guess I'm just being overly idealistic to
think the government should make allowances for people taking such desperate
measure.
But, on the other hand, I feel very strongly that the government has just as
much of a responsibility to protect its people against famine and strife as
it does to protect its people against foreign threats. I mean, if the
government isn't going to help its people out when they need help, why is it
even here? What's it's function? Just to take our money away for their own
greedy selves?
Some would say that social services like food stamps, unemployment
bennefits, welfare, and the like, do nothing but "coddle" the American
people. But doesn't having a military to defend us in a time of war
"coddle" us? Doesn't having paved roads "coddle" us when we could just as
well use dirt paths? Where and how do you draw the line between "providing"
and "coddling"? Isn't the line sort of arbitrary, anyway? We're "coddled"
compared to the people in other countries, but at the same time, people in
those other countries are poorly "provided for" compared to us.
I just don't see the harm in forcing insurance companies to have
sliding-scale plans for impoverished people who are looking for work, other
than the fact that there'd be some lazy people abusing it. What's wrong
with letting the poor have a fair chance at getting ahead (or at least
making end's meet)? It'd be better than having them living off of
foodstamps and piling up in homeless shelters.
In fact, if some sort of system were worked out where people could recieve
cheap (or free) insurance in exchange for meeting "job search activities"
requirements, that would encourage people to look for work rather than just
driving without insurance. And, if and when those people found work, they'd
become a contributing member of society, which could do nothing but BENNEFIT
our economy, right? But the way we have it now, poor people who try to look
for work and have to drive to traverse the distance to the nearest town or
city end up getting caught, fined, and if unable to pay the fine, put in
jail, just for being too poor to pay for insurance.
I don't necessarily think that the poor need to be given free or cheap
insurance, but the only other valid option is getting rid of insurance laws
altogether. Keeping things the way they are just isn't (or shouldn't be) an
option.
Peace Out,
- Xavier Sloane
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User: "Woodsy"

Title: Re: ATTN: Michael Davis 04 Feb 2004 08:53:43 AM
"Xavier Sloane" <xavier_sloane@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Woodsy" <woodsy@woodsy.com> wrote in message
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"Xavier Sloane" <xavier_sloane@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Here's an option to try on for size. Many people do move to where the

jobs

are located. Failing that, if one should have some sort of marketable
skill, they start their own business.


Unfortunatley, both of those things take money. Takes money to make

money.

It's a really frustrating paradox. I just figure people do what they

gotta

do to get money (even if it means breaking the law), and as soon as they

are

able, they start living normal, law-obiding lives. I've known a lot of
people who were poor, couldn't find work, and started slangin' drugs to

make

ends meet. They took that money, bought some nice clothes, moved to the
nearest big town / small city, got a normal job, stopped dealing drugs,

and

began living a "normal life".

Other lame excuses SNIPPED< < < < < < <

If you worked as hard to find reasons you can get work as you do to evade
work, you would be extremely successful.
Woodsy
Woodsy
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User: "Xavier Sloane"

Title: Re: ATTN: Michael Davis 04 Feb 2004 12:39:32 PM
"Woodsy" <woodsy@woodsy.com> wrote in message
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If you worked as hard to find reasons you can get work as you do to evade
work, you would be extremely successful.

Woodsy

? I spend about 90% of my (waking) time looking for work.
- X
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User: "UFO Recovery Team"

Title: Re: ATTN: Michael Davis 05 Feb 2004 12:44:54 PM
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"Woodsy" <woodsy@woodsy.com> wrote in message
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If you worked as hard to find reasons you can get

work as you do to evade

work, you would be extremely successful.

Woodsy


? I spend about 90% of my (waking) time looking for

work.


- X


Give us a break. Nobody sleeps 23 hours a day.
--
Team Leader
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User: "Joseph Bartlo"

Title: Re: ATTN: Michael Davis 04 Feb 2004 11:48:02 PM
Xavier Sloane wrote:

"Woodsy" <woodsy@woodsy.com> wrote in message
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If you worked as hard to find reasons you can get work as you do to evade
work, you would be extremely successful.

Woodsy



? I spend about 90% of my (waking) time looking for work.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, *****.
I believe George Thorogood sang your song.
Except when he sang it, he sounded cool.
When you say it, it comes out all whiny and pathetic.
"Wanna tell you a story,
About the house-man blues
I come home one Friday,
Had to tell the landlady I'd-a lost my job
She said that don't confront me,
Long as I get my money next Friday
Now next Friday come I didn't get the rent,
And out the door I went
So I goes to the landlady,
I said, "You let me slide?"
I'll have the rent for you in a month.
Next I don't know
So said let me slide it on you know people,
I notice when I come home in the evening
She ain't got nothing nice to say to me,
But for five year she was so nice
Loh' she was lovy-dovy,
I come home one particular evening
The landlady said, "You got the rent money yet?",
I said, "No, can't find no job"
Therefore I ain't got no money to pay the rent
She said "I don't believe you're tryin' to find no job"
Said "I seen you today you was standin' on a corner,
Leaning up against a post"
I said "But I'm tired, I've been walkin' all day"
She said "That don't confront me,
Long as I get my money next Friday"
Now next Friday come I didn't have the rent,
And out the door I went
So I go down the streets,
Down to my good friend's house
I said "Look man I'm outdoors you know,
Can I stay with you maybe a couple days?"
He said "Let me go and ask my wife"
He come out of the house,
I could see it in his face
I know that was no
He said "I don't know man, ah she kinda funny, you know"
I said "I know, everybody funny, now you funny too"
So I go back home
I tell the landlady I got a job, I'm gonna pay the rent
She said "Yeah?" I said "Oh yeah"
And then she was so nice,
Loh' she was lovy-dovy
So I go in my room, pack up my things and I go,
I slip on out the back door and down the streets I go
She a-howlin' about the front rent, she'll be lucky to get any back rent,
She ain't gonna get none of it
So I stop in the local bar you know people,
I go to the bar, I ring my coat, I call the bartender
Said "Look man, come down here", he got down there
So what you want?
One bourbon, one scotch, one beer
Well I ain't seen my baby since I don't know when,
I've been drinking bourbon, whiskey, scotch and gin
Gonna get high man I'm gonna get loose,
Need me a triple shot of that juice
Gonna get drunk don't you have no fear
I want one bourbon, one scotch and one beer
One bourbon, one scotch, one beer
But I'm sitting now at the bar,
I'm getting drunk, I'm feelin' mellow
I'm drinkin' bourbon, I'm drinkin' scotch, I'm drinkin' beer
Looked down the bar, here come the bartender
I said "Look man, come down here"
So what you want?
One bourbon, one scotch, one beer
No I ain't seen my baby since the night before last,
Gotta get a drink man I'm gonna get gassed
Gonna get high man I ain't had enough,
Need me a triple shot of that stuff
Gonna get drunk won't you listen right here,
I want one bourbon, one shot and one beer
One bourbon, one scotch, one beer
Now by this time I'm plenty high,
You know when your mouth a-getting dry you're plenty high
Looked down the bar I say to my bartender
I said "Look man, come down here", he got down there
So what you want this time?
I said "Look man, a-what time is it?"
He said "The clock on the wall say three o'clock
Last call for alcohol, so what you need?"
One bourbon, one scotch, one beer
No I ain't seen my baby since a nigh' and a week,
Gotta get drunk man till I can't even speak
Gonna get high man listen to me,
One drink ain't enough Jack you better make it three
I wanna get drunk I'm gonna make it real clear,
I want one bourbon, one scotch and one beer
One bourbon, one scotch, one beer"
-George Thorogood, "The Xavier Sloane Fucking Sob Story"
.



User: "Garry Bryan"

Title: Re: ATTN: Michael Davis 04 Feb 2004 11:29:36 AM
In alt.alien.visitors Xavier Sloane <xavier_sloane@hotmail.com> wrote:
: "Woodsy" <woodsy@woodsy.com> wrote in message
: news:nVTTb.130983$f97.84706@fe3.columbus.rr.com...
:> "Xavier Sloane" <xavier_sloane@hotmail.com> wrote in message
:> news:MhSTb.11721$uM2.9592@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
:> Here's an option to try on for size. Many people do move to where the jobs
:> are located. Failing that, if one should have some sort of marketable
:> skill, they start their own business.
: Unfortunatley, both of those things take money. Takes money to make money.
: It's a really frustrating paradox. I just figure people do what they gotta
: do to get money (even if it means breaking the law), and as soon as they are
: able, they start living normal, law-obiding lives. I've known a lot of
: people who were poor, couldn't find work, and started slangin' drugs to make
: ends meet. They took that money, bought some nice clothes, moved to the
: nearest big town / small city, got a normal job, stopped dealing drugs, and
: began living a "normal life".
: Desperate times call for desperate measures. It's just a shame that it has
: to be like that sometimes. I guess I'm just being overly idealistic to
: think the government should make allowances for people taking such desperate
: measure.
: But, on the other hand, I feel very strongly that the government has just as
: much of a responsibility to protect its people against famine and strife as
: it does to protect its people against foreign threats. I mean, if the
: government isn't going to help its people out when they need help, why is it
: even here? What's it's function? Just to take our money away for their own
: greedy selves?
: Some would say that social services like food stamps, unemployment
: bennefits, welfare, and the like, do nothing but "coddle" the American
: people. But doesn't having a military to defend us in a time of war
: "coddle" us? Doesn't having paved roads "coddle" us when we could just as
: well use dirt paths? Where and how do you draw the line between "providing"
: and "coddling"? Isn't the line sort of arbitrary, anyway? We're "coddled"
: compared to the people in other countries, but at the same time, people in
: those other countries are poorly "provided for" compared to us.
: I just don't see the harm in forcing insurance companies to have
: sliding-scale plans for impoverished people who are looking for work, other
: than the fact that there'd be some lazy people abusing it. What's wrong
: with letting the poor have a fair chance at getting ahead (or at least
: making end's meet)? It'd be better than having them living off of
: foodstamps and piling up in homeless shelters.
: In fact, if some sort of system were worked out where people could recieve
: cheap (or free) insurance in exchange for meeting "job search activities"
: requirements, that would encourage people to look for work rather than just
: driving without insurance. And, if and when those people found work, they'd
: become a contributing member of society, which could do nothing but BENNEFIT
: our economy, right? But the way we have it now, poor people who try to look
: for work and have to drive to traverse the distance to the nearest town or
: city end up getting caught, fined, and if unable to pay the fine, put in
: jail, just for being too poor to pay for insurance.
: I don't necessarily think that the poor need to be given free or cheap
: insurance, but the only other valid option is getting rid of insurance laws
: altogether. Keeping things the way they are just isn't (or shouldn't be) an
: option.'
In California it is the law to have car insurance, yet if you are poor enough
to need food stamps or other aid, they do not incluse car insurance as a
necessary expense. . .go figure. . .
Garry
.

User: "Joseph Bartlo"

Title: Re: ATTN: Michael Davis 04 Feb 2004 12:47:40 AM
Xavier Sloane wrote:

"Woodsy" <woodsy@woodsy.com> wrote in message
news:nVTTb.130983$f97.84706@fe3.columbus.rr.com...

"Xavier Sloane" <xavier_sloane@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MhSTb.11721$uM2.9592@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Here's an option to try on for size. Many people do move to where the jobs
are located. Failing that, if one should have some sort of marketable
skill, they start their own business.



Unfortunatley, both of those things take money. Takes money to make money.

Go get a fucking job at McDonalds and stop whining, you pansy little *****.


.
User: "Xavier Sloane"

Title: Re: ATTN: Michael Davis 04 Feb 2004 12:38:23 PM
"Joseph Bartlo" <meltdownboi@hoojipoojiwoogy.com> wrote in message
news:bvq4ie$sg5$0@pita.alt.net...

Xavier Sloane wrote:
Go get a fucking job at McDonalds and stop whining, you pansy little

*****.


You're an idiot. If there were a McDonald's within 50 miles from here that
had any openings, I'd work there, at least to get by until I could find
something better.
This is the 21st century, not some 1940's work shortage where everyone's
hanging "help wanted" signs in their windows. Getting a job in this economy
would be like winning the lottery for most people. And most jobs are going
to military types anyway, taking money away from civilians and giving it to
the government gun-monkeys.
- X
.
User: "Joseph Bartlo"

Title: Re: ATTN: Michael Davis 04 Feb 2004 11:43:47 PM
Xavier Sloane wrote:

"Joseph Bartlo" <meltdownboi@hoojipoojiwoogy.com> wrote in message
news:bvq4ie$sg5$0@pita.alt.net...

Xavier Sloane wrote:
Go get a fucking job at McDonalds and stop whining, you pansy little


*****.


You're an idiot. If there were a McDonald's within 50 miles from here that
had any openings, I'd work there, at least to get by until I could find
something better.

Then fucking MOVE, you stupid, lazy dumbshit!
You waiting for them to build one next door, for *****'s sake?


This is the 21st century, not some 1940's work shortage where everyone's
hanging "help wanted" signs in their windows.

Yeah. The 21st century. So get in your horseless carriage and DRIVE TO
WORK, you lazy *****!

Getting a job in this economy
would be like winning the lottery for most people.

Liar! Most people ARE WORKING!
But, as Mr. Darwin pointed out, it's all about survival of the fittest.
You aren't working because you are a LOSER!

And most jobs are going
to military types anyway, taking money away from civilians and giving it to
the government gun-monkeys.

Then join the military or something.
.





User: "Michael Biggs"

Title: Re: ATTN: Michael Davis 03 Feb 2004 06:16:09 PM
"Xavier Sloane" <xavier_sloane@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<MhSTb.11721$uM2.9592@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...

"Woodsy" <woodsy@woodsy.com> wrote in message
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So, taking a bus or other public transportation to look for work is not
acceptable to you? Looking for work within walking distance of your home

is

not OK either?

Right.


Those things are great if you live in a highly centralized metropolitan
area. But not everyone does. A lot of people don't live within 5 or 10
miles of the nearest business, except for possibly the corner store that
can't afford to hire anyone.

Get a bicycle ya lazy *****.


There's three businesses within a walking distance of my home - a mortuary,
an adult book store, and a 7-11. Neither of those three have any openings
or can afford to hire anyone extra (though I keep trying at 7-11 on a
regular basis, just in case), and they're each more than an hour's walk from
where I live. So, if I want to find work, I have to jump in my car and head
to the nearest town.

Or better still why don't you actually move to the nearest town??


Also, since this whole area is pretty much just a series of small towns,
most of them with 10 - 40 miles of space between them, most employers ask
that applicants have "reliable, personal transportation" (automobiles). So
it's the EMPLOYERS who are decideding that taking a bus or other
transportation is not acceptable.

Listen, if I lived in a place like Olympia or downtown Seattle, I'd be happy
to walk or take the bus to look for work.

You'll never be happy unless you're whingeing will you, you miserable
little troll.
But I don't have that option.

Neither do a lot of other people. Personally, I think it's extremely
ignorant of you to assume that everyone *does* have that option. Of course,
maybe you're one of those people who lives in a larger city and just assumes
that the entire world is just one big metroplex.

Personally I think your rant is mainly made up ***** to justify
your ridiculous leftist anti government, anti business position. You
accuse Michael Davis of being a liar. Well I reckon you're a liar
with a huge chip on your shoulder who can't handle life. Get over it
or ***** off.
Mike
.
User: "Xavier Sloane"

Title: Re: ATTN: Michael Davis 03 Feb 2004 09:36:43 PM
*PLONK*
"Michael Biggs" <mbiggs@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
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"Xavier Sloane" <xavier_sloane@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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"Woodsy" <woodsy@woodsy.com> wrote in message
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So, taking a bus or other public transportation to look for work is

not

acceptable to you? Looking for work within walking distance of your

home

is

not OK either?

Right.


Those things are great if you live in a highly centralized metropolitan
area. But not everyone does. A lot of people don't live within 5 or 10
miles of the nearest business, except for possibly the corner store that
can't afford to hire anyone.


Get a bicycle ya lazy *****.


There's three businesses within a walking distance of my home - a

mortuary,

an adult book store, and a 7-11. Neither of those three have any

openings

or can afford to hire anyone extra (though I keep trying at 7-11 on a
regular basis, just in case), and they're each more than an hour's walk

from

where I live. So, if I want to find work, I have to jump in my car and

head

to the nearest town.


Or better still why don't you actually move to the nearest town??


Also, since this whole area is pretty much just a series of small towns,
most of them with 10 - 40 miles of space between them, most employers

ask

that applicants have "reliable, personal transportation" (automobiles).

So

it's the EMPLOYERS who are decideding that taking a bus or other
transportation is not acceptable.

Listen, if I lived in a place like Olympia or downtown Seattle, I'd be

happy

to walk or take the bus to look for work.



You'll never be happy unless you're whingeing will you, you miserable
little troll.

But I don't have that option.

Neither do a lot of other people. Personally, I think it's extremely
ignorant of you to assume that everyone *does* have that option. Of

course,

maybe you're one of those people who lives in a larger city and just

assumes

that the entire world is just one big metroplex.


Personally I think your rant is mainly made up ***** to justify
your ridiculous leftist anti government, anti business position. You
accuse Michael Davis of being a liar. Well I reckon you're a liar
with a huge chip on your shoulder who can't handle life. Get over it
or ***** off.


Mike

.


User: "Joseph Bartlo"

Title: Re: ATTN: Michael Davis 04 Feb 2004 12:56:51 AM
Xavier Sloane wrote:

"Woodsy" <woodsy@woodsy.com> wrote in message
news:ZINTb.76601$DE.5800@fe2.columbus.rr.com...

So, taking a bus or other public transportation to look for work is not
acceptable to you? Looking for work within walking distance of your home


is

not OK either?

Right.



Those things are great if you live in a highly centralized metropolitan
area. But not everyone does. A lot of people don't live within 5 or 10
miles of the nearest business, except for possibly the corner store that
can't afford to hire anyone.

There's three businesses within a walking distance of my home - a mortuary,
an adult book store, and a 7-11. Neither of those three have any openings
or can afford to hire anyone extra (though I keep trying at 7-11 on a
regular basis, just in case), and they're each more than an hour's walk from
where I live. So, if I want to find work, I have to jump in my car and head
to the nearest town.

No *****, Sherlock. You got a problem with that?
No wonder you can't find work or keep a job.
Your attitude SUCKS.
.
User: "Xavier Sloane"

Title: Re: ATTN: Michael Davis 04 Feb 2004 12:43:44 PM
"Joseph Bartlo" <meltdownboi@hoojipoojiwoogy.com> wrote in message
news:bvq53k$tq9$1@pita.alt.net...

Xavier Sloane wrote:

There's three businesses within a walking distance of my home - a

mortuary,

an adult book store, and a 7-11. Neither of those three have any

openings

or can afford to hire anyone extra (though I keep trying at 7-11 on a
regular basis, just in case), and they're each more than an hour's walk

from

where I live. So, if I want to find work, I have to jump in my car and

head

to the nearest town.



No *****, Sherlock. You got a problem with that?

Nope, but Michael Davis does. He thinks people who don't have jobs (and
can't afford insurance) shouldn't drive. My "attitude" is that we don't all
have the luxury of just "not driving". In order to find work, it's
sometimes necessary to be able to jump in your car and head for the nearest
town, so you can get a job, and THEN get insurance. Davis doesn't seem to
get that, which is how this whole lame-***** thread got started.
- X
.
User: "Joseph Bartlo"

Title: Re: ATTN: Michael Davis 04 Feb 2004 11:50:59 PM
Xavier Sloane wrote:

"Joseph Bartlo" <meltdownboi@hoojipoojiwoogy.com> wrote in message
news:bvq53k$tq9$1@pita.alt.net...

Xavier Sloane wrote:


There's three businesses within a walking distance of my home - a

mortuary,

an adult book store, and a 7-11. Neither of those three have any


openings

or can afford to hire anyone extra (though I keep trying at 7-11 on a
regular basis, just in case), and they're each more than an hour's walk


from

where I live. So, if I want to find work, I have to jump in my car and


head

to the nearest town.



No *****, Sherlock. You got a problem with that?



Nope, but Michael Davis does. He thinks people who don't have jobs (and
can't afford insurance) shouldn't drive.

They shouldn't.

My "attitude" is that we don't all
have the luxury of just "not driving". In order to find work, it's
sometimes necessary to be able to jump in your car and head for the nearest
town, so you can get a job, and THEN get insurance.

What a loser, if you got to the point where you lost your insurance.

Davis doesn't seem to
get that, which is how this whole lame-***** thread got started.

Don't you even have any friends or family who could loan you money for
insurance, loser?
If not, then you are truly a fucking LOSER.
.





User: "Michael Davis"

Title: Re: OT: ATTN: Michael Davis 02 Feb 2004 08:34:04 PM
Xavier Sloane wrote:

"Michael Davis" <mdavis19@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:b10077edcfd0e2dda8787e82a3d56398@news.meganetnews.com...

Wow! Another really frothy kookrant! You never fail to amuse. You
do however fail to get anything correct. Let's take a look at the
long list of things you got wrong:

1. Calling someone a Nazi is the same as comparing them with
Nazis. Ditto for calling them antything else.



LOL...so are you saying that if you call someone a "worm" you are therefore
comparing that person to an *actual* worm?

Yes, of course.

How stupid can you possibly be?

Not as stupid as you, apparently.

If you compare someone to a worm, you would quickly realize that said person
is definitely NOT a worm (worms don't have eyes, earlobes, bones, etc.). If
you call someone a worm, you are therefore definitely NOT comparing that
person to a worm (otherwise you wouldn't call him that).

Except that the real reason someone calls another person to a worm
is to compare them to other worm-like characteristics. If I call
you a worm it is because I see you as slimy, spineless, low, ugly,
dirty, brainless, etc., etc. See, the list of worm-like
characteristics you compare to is quite long.


Figurative speech and colloquialisms aren't the same thing as comparisons.
A first year college student knows at least *that* much.

Maybe you should have actually paid attention in college. Being
poor is not an excuse for not paying attention after all.


Do you have *any* concept of the English language?

Not only can I conceptualize it, but I speak it, write it, and
comprehend it far better than you do. HTH.



2. Nobody ever gave me anything (except the USA which gave me
opportunity).



The USA doesn't give opportunity. It squashes it.

At the bottom of this latest kooky little rant you go off on Bill
Gates. You do realize that he wasn't born a billionaire, right?
Opportunity got him where he is. How about Michal Dell? Larry
Elliston? Ted Turner? You can even go back in time to people like
Andrew Carnegie who arrived in this country penniless and went on
to become perhaps the richest American ever. This country is just
dripping with opportunity. All you have to do is grab it.



I was born into a dirt-poor family.



You are obviously a liar.

I wish. It probably would have been nice to grow up rich. Still, I
think I had a good childhood. My parents loved me and did their
best for me. I didn't realize I was poor at the time. It is only
with hindsight that I look back and realize how bad off we were.



I worked for
everything I have, and have no pity whatsoever for lazy bastards
like you who want everything simply handed to them.



Straw-man. When did I *ever* say that I wanted everything handed to me?
Can you come up with even *one* instance?

Yes, auto insurance. You said the government should force
insurance companies to make it available for those who can't
afford it.

And by what justification do you
call me a "lazy *****"?

See above.

Where the hell did you get the idea? Because I
don't think (like you do) that poor people should be put in jail for
attempting to find work?

What were you saying about straw men? Poor people don't get put in
jail for trying to find work. People get put in jail for breaking
the law.


Listen buddy, I don't know what assylum you broke out of, but you don't
appear to have a coherent sense of reality. You're making things up out of
thin air, and (frighteningly) you seem to believe them.

Projection noted.
You are well on your way to becoming a full-blown net kook. That's
good because our regular kooks here are wearing a little thin. We
need some fresh loonies to laugh at around here.



3. I am not religious. On the contrary, I am a life-long atheist.



On the contrary, you are EXTREMELY religious - only instead of worshipping
the Christian's God, you deify your government and your nation.

Nice attempt at spin to cover the fact that you were totally wrong
about me. Of course two wrongs don't make a right, and you are
wrong again.

You defend
them with the same irrational fervor that Christians use to defend their
God.

I merely defend them against the false accusation of clueless
kooks like you. Beyond that they are on their own.

To you, any act of evil comitted by the government is OK,

No, just because I don't rant and rave and foam at the mouth
because the guy I voted for didn't win the election doesn't mean I
am giving the government a blank check.

and the
government can do no wrong (except perhaps for being too tough on all you
poor oppressed rich people and too easy on those wretched, lazy bums
scrapping by any way they possibly can).

In fact, you even said there should be harsher penalties for people who
can't afford to pay insurance but who attempt to look for work anyway.

No, I said there should be harsher penalties for people who choose
to break the law. Looking for work isn't illegal.

You've said that anyone caught driving without insurance (presumably,
they're only driving because they're looking for work so they *can* afford
insurance) should be locked-up. But we'll forget about the inescapable
paradox that creates for the moment.

Yeah, forget about it since it doesn't seem to be a paradox for
most people, not even the poor ones.

Then you call those people, who bust
their asses everyday looking for jobs in an economy in which unemployed
people outnumber job opportunities, "lazy". You remind me of those
Christians who say that all those innocent little "pagan" children who died
during the great flood, and the innocent men and women who died during the
crusades and the Witch-hunts "got off easy".

If that's what I remind you of then there is something seriously
wrong with your reasoning abilities. Funny how it always seems to
come back to religion with you.

Not only do you defend
indefensible EVIL, but you actually seem to think those at the recieving end
deserve WORSE than what they get.

Expecting people to obey the same laws I do is hardly an
indefensible evil. Do you get much froth on your monitor when you
rant like that?



4. I am not a republican. I am an Independent who usually votes
Democratic. Most Democrats are good capitalists, in case you
didn't know. The right wing has no monopoly on capitalism. It is
the foundation of this nation, regardless of party affiliation.



And that's why America is corrupt. Of course it's the least corrupt of all
the nations on Earth, but it's still corrupt. America may be the best
country in the world, but that ain't saying much.

Number one isn't saying much? Damn, you are one hard to please
kook. Maybe you should go live in number 150 for a while. Then
maybe you will appreciate how lucky you are to live here.



5. "Pencil pushers" (your term) do useful work too.



Useful busywork that deserves a lot less pay than what they get.

Your jealousy is pretty obvious. What's the matter, can't you get
anyone to bay you for your brains? Looking at the content of your
posts I'm not surprised. Pushing a broom would seem to be about
the limit of your intellectual abilities.



After all, it
takes more than just "broom pushers" to make a society work.



Undoubtedly, but pushing a broom is a lot harder than pushing a pencil.
I've done both. I've done tech-support, graphic design, web design, and
janitorial. Part-time janitorial was far, far more exhausting (even
painful) than full-time deskwork. Yet I made $20.00 per hour doing graphic
design,

If you are capable of making $20 an hour, then why can't you even
pay your auto insurance? Something doesn't add up here.

and only $7.50 per hour doing janitorial. It should've been the
other way around.

Why? I'm amazed you were paid that much. It's a minimum wage job.
You were one lucky janitor.
We have another janitor posting here already. So I guess we'll
have to call you Mop Jockey Jr.



In
fact, it could be argued that working with your brain is more
valuable and should be better compensated than working with your
back.



Working with your brain is much, much easier than working with your back. I
speak from experience.

I seriously doubt that.

Anyone can quickly learn how to keep books or manage
a store

Except that most people never manage to do it. So I guess it isn't
as easy as you think.

(especially since management consists of telling others what to do
while the manager sits on his fat lazy *****, gets drunk at 9:00am and leaves
in the middle of the day to play golf while those who get payed less than
him do all the work).

Funny, none of the managers I've ever worked with do that. Maybe
you just had a bad experience that left you bitter. Get over it
already and quit whining.

Not everyone has the physical endurance to do
professional cleaning, which can quickly turn even the strongest guy's back
into a pretzel.

Maybe you just aren't as strong as you think you are. You sure as
hell aren't as smart as you think you are.



After all, anyone can push a broom,



For short periods of time. After a few years or even *months*, the person
pushing the broom can have serious, permanent back problems.
Professional/industrial cleaning isn't as easy as it looks.

And yet some people do it their entire lives with no ill effects.



but not everyone can
design a building,



Given 3 - 6 months of intensive study, *anyone* could design a building.

Try four years plus an apprenticeship. That is if you want to get
a license as an architect and you want to design buildings that
will satisfy a building inspector and won't fall down in the first
gust of wind. We do have minimum standards in this country, you
know. This isn't Iran where whole cities have a habit of turning
into dust during a mere magnitude 6 quake or some Caribbean Island
where all the tin shacks get routinely blown away during hurricane
season. We build to last and for safety here. The people with the
education, skills and experience to do that can command a high
price for their services.

Not anyone could do it well, though. But then, when it comes to designing a
building *well*, you leave the arena of pencil-pushing and enter the arena
of the arts.

Art does figure into it, yes. That's just another reason why
architects are well paid. Not everyone is artistic.


I never said that broom-pushers should be making more money than artists,
philosophers, teachers, scientists, musicians, poets, or clergy. I only
said that broom-pushers should make more than your run-of-the-mill pencil
pushers.

Why? Be specific.



run a corporation,



You mean tell other people what to do while you sit on your *****, hire
hookers, snort cocain, and molest your children?

Gee, what company did you work for?

Corporate types are the
scum of the earth.

Looks like your jealousy is showing through again.



Since brains are scarcer than backs, the laws
of economics dictate that brain power is worth more than muscle
power. And that is in fact the way it is.



Brains are only scarcer than backs because decent educations are withheld
from all but the scarce few whose parents have deep, deep pockets.

Got any statistics to cite to back up that claim?

Granted
there are probably a few exceptions. What about highly intelligent children
from poor families who goof-off in gradeschool and don't do their work, and
lose their chance at a scholarship because of this?

Oh well. Stupidity has a price.

They don't lack brains,

That's a matter of opinion.

and they don't necessarily lack the ability to work hard. Just because a
kid liked to goof-off (which is what kids are SUPPOSED to do), he could
loose his chance at a decent future, no matter how intelligent or
hard-working her turns out to be as an adult - unless he has a rich family,
that is.

Or unless he gets his act together and actually starts applying
himself.


Then of course there are those little children who buckle down and work hard
throughout school (even gradeschool, when they should be playing and having
fun), and allow themselves to be completely brainwashed by the
robot-factory...er...I mean "public school system". They tend to do very
well regardless of their parents' income.

So I guess what you are trying to say here, in your excessively
verbose and hostile way, is that you were one of those stupid kids
who fucked off, ignored all advice, pissed away all your
opportunities and eventually got left behind, and now you are
bitter about it. Is that about right? Why exactly is that anyone
else's fault but your own?

These are the sorts who end up
defending the government no matter what evil the government is guilty of,
wave "support our troops" banners when our military invades an innocent
nation and kills civilians, and always stand for the national anthem. Such
people are nothing more than mindless drones trained to always be loyal to
the "Evil Race of Oppressors" (aka - wealthy persons, Christian clergy,
politicians, and lawmen).

Wow! This is a KookRant almost worthy of Twonky! I can see you are
going to provide much entertainment here. You go, kook.


Brains are scarcer than backs because the rich suppress the brains of the
poor. One of the most intelligent people I've ever met has an IQ of 85!

You should get out more.

That's 15 points below average! 15 points worth of general knowledge he
lacked and critical thinking skills he could've EASILY learned.

IQ is a measure of problem solving ability, not general knowledge.



6. The guys in the orange jumpsuits working on the side of the
road are not slaves. They are criminals who broke the law and are
serving their sentence.



Robin Hood (if the stories about him are true and not as grossly exaggerated
as we tend to think) would be considered a "criminal" by our modern-day
government.

Naturally. He was considered a criminal in his own time too (if he
existed at all that is). Murder, theft, kidnapping, conspiracy,
etc., etc. Just because he committed those crimes against the rich
doesn't make them any less criminal. A crime is a crime regardless
of who the victim is.

Sure stealing from the rich and giving to the poor wouldn't get
you hanged like it would've in his day, so things have improved a little.
The point is, though, that he wasn't a villain. He was a hero, and one of
history's greatests at that.

Only after Hollywood sexed him up and got Errol Flynn to play the
title roll. I suppose you think Bonnie and Clyde or John Dillinger
were great heroes too, despite the body count they racked up,
right? They did essentially the same thing.


Just because someone is a "criminal" doesn't make that person a villain or a
badguy.

Actually it does. That's kind of the definition of it.

I've found that most "criminals" are decent, moral, honorable
individuals who are just trying to get by. In fact, it's been my experience
that drug-dealers, gang-bangers, and pig-killers are more honest and
trustworthy than judges, cops, and business men.

So how much time have you spent in prison?



If you ask them I'm sure they'd tell you
that they prefer community service over sitting in a cell and
whiling away the days twiddling their thumbs between sessions of
doing their wifely duties to their cell mate Bubba.



I'm sure they would. The point is that most've those guys shouldn't have
had to make that choice to begin with. Since the late 1970's, more than 95
people sitting on death-row (35 of them for 10 years or more) were
exonerated of their crimes due to new DNA evidence and set free.

Great! But what does that have to do with the people doing
community service? Another straw man noted.

I wonder
how many more innocent people are still in prison, or how many were
executed. I wonder, if that many innocent people could be found guilty of
MURDER, how many more must be rotting away for lesser crimes that they
didn't commit.

Yeah, everyone in prison is innocent. Just ask them.


The U.S. has only 5% of the world's population, but 25% of the world's
prison population. I'd be surprised if even one out of every ten people in
prison were actually guilty of anything.

No doubt the sunrise surprises you too.



7. You claim to have an IQ of 138 but none of it shows through in
your posts. Quite the contrary. you come across as a low-grade
moron. So it is safe to assume you were exaggerating.



This coming from a guy who can't even grasp rudimentary english...

Projection noted.



8. There are no peasants in this country. Peasants are by
definition people with fewer or no rights. In the USA everyone has
the same rights and opportunities.



That's the biggest load if ***** I've ever heard. I remember a few months
ago the local supermarket had 1 (one) opening for a stock-boy. Within two
days, more than three hundred people applied for the position. There are
simply fewer opportunities than there are people.

Topic drift noted. I said everyone has the same rights and
opportunities. I didn't say there was a stock-boy job for
everyone. What are you, about 14?



Not everyone has the same drive
or will to succeed though.



I never said they did, but just because someone is poor or unemployed
doesn't mean they don't have just as much drive or will to succeed as some
rich cracker CEO. Saying that poor/unemployed people are "lazy" in today's
economy is essentially the same as saying that those starving children in
Africa are "anorexic". Get it through your thick skull, most unemployed
people aren't unemployed by choice or out of laziness. There just aren't
enough opportunities to go around.

How ironic that you should mention the poor starving children of
Africa. In the US even the poor are fat. Poor Americans are only
poor compared to rich Americans. Compared to most of the rest of
the world even poor Americans are rich. Get your head out of your
***** and quit your whining. The only person keeping you down is you.



9. The state doesn't coddle the rich. It taxes them unfairly at a
higher rate than the poor or middle class and in essence punishes
them for being successful.



You're an idiot. Bill Gates has something like 30 BILLION dollars (his
exact worth fluctuates because most of his money is in stocks, so who knows
how much he has this week). Yet, if you were to take 25 BILLION dollars
away from him, he'd still be a MULTI-BILLIONAIRE.

So? What is your justification for taking away 5/6 of his money?
Why should he have to pay more taxes than you? You are the one
harping about how unfair the system is. Well taxing some people
more than others is obviously unfair.


Higher taxes for the rich aren't unfair, they're perfectly reasonable.

How so? Please explain in detail. Justify this claim.



Punishing success is stupid policy.



But expecting those who are more successful to put more back into the
community that gave them their success isn't.

So all the thousands of people he employs in his company isn't
giving back? Just think of all the high-paying jobs that exist in
Redmond because of how successful Bill is.

Bill Gates wouldn't be worth
a damn dime if poor and middle-class people weren't buying his products.

And that is relevant how?

Those who are most successful are the ones who owe the most to the society
that made them successful.

And he is paying a lot.



This is one of the more socialist aspects of American society and
it ought to be scrapped.



Right, so the rich can become richer at an even faster rate, and more poor
people who are honestly trying as hard as they can to find work and build
lives for themselves can end up in the gutter.

Hardly.



10. There will never be a revolution by your kind. Anarchists
don't organize well. Organization is after all the opposite of
anarchy.



Appearently, you know very little of Anarchism (aka Social Libertarianism).

I know enough to realize that it has never worked anywhere.



That's just the top 10 things you were wrong or were lying about
in this post alone. I could go on and on. However, these 10 points
alone do a pretty good job of showing how utterly clueless and
misguided you are.



Those ten points only serve to show that you lack anything resembling
reasoning skills or a coherent sense of reality.

Projection noted.



Seek help, or at the very least an education.



I have an education, and unlike you, I also have some awareness of the world
around me. At least I'm not claiming that poor people are "lazy"

I never claimed poor people were lazy. I claimed *you* were lazy.
Just because you happen to be poor don't go generalizing and
trying to put words in my mouth.

because I
know what the American economy is like right now,

I doubt it. You have "Clueless" written all over you.

and it's because of
money-grubbing assholes like you.

Peace Out, Mindless Fuckwit,

Profanity, the last refuge of the stupid.
--
The Evil Michael Davis(tm)
http://www.mdpub.com/scopeworks/
http://skepticult.org Member #264-70198-536
Member #33 1/3 of The "I Have Been Killfiled By Tommy" Club
"There's a sucker born every minute" - David Hannum (often
erroneously attributed to P. T. Barnum)
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User: "Xavier Sloane"

Title: Re: OT: ATTN: Michael Davis 02 Feb 2004 10:56:47 PM
"Michael Davis" <mdavis19@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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If you compare someone to a worm, you would quickly realize that said

person

is definitely NOT a worm (worms don't have eyes, earlobes, bones, etc.).

If

you call someone a worm, you are therefore definitely NOT comparing that
person to a worm (otherwise you wouldn't call him that).


Except that the real reason someone calls another person to a worm
is to compare them to other worm-like characteristics. If I call
you a worm it is because I see you as slimy, spineless, low, ugly,
dirty, brainless, etc., etc. See, the list of worm-like
characteristics you compare to is quite long.

Ugliness is subjective, "dirty" is contradicted by "slimy" (worms remain
relatively clean because of that slime, which helps them move through the
earth more quickly), "brainless" isn't applicable to the comparison since
worms have five of them, etc., etc. See, the list of reasons why no human
being on the planet can be adequately compared to a worm suggests that
calling someone a "worm" doesn't imply a comparison.

Do you have *any* concept of the English language?


Not only can I conceptualize it, but I speak it, write it, and
comprehend it far better than you do.

I've yet to see any evidence of this.

At the bottom of this latest kooky little rant you go off on Bill
Gates. You do realize that he wasn't born a billionaire, right?

He was a college drop-out with some good ideas. He managed to make a break
for himself. Unfortunately, there were probably plenty of people who had
just as many good ideas and who worked just as hard yet didn't manage to
make those sorts of breaks for themselves.
There's a lot of extremely intelligent, ambitious people out there that
spend their whole lives spinning their wheels and never getting ahead.

Opportunity got him where he is. How about Michal Dell? Larry
Elliston? Ted Turner?

All from an eras in which there was ample opportunity.

This country is just
dripping with opportunity. All you have to do is grab it.

Which is why there are fewer job-openings than unemployed people.

You are obviously a liar.


I wish. It probably would have been nice to grow up rich. Still, I
think I had a good childhood. My parents loved me and did their
best for me. I didn't realize I was poor at the time. It is only
with hindsight that I look back and realize how bad off we were.

Nice story. Meanwhile my family was pretty well-off financially in my early
childhood, until my father gambled and snorted away my college fund, my
mother pulled me out of school and decided to "homeschool" me, and then
ending up homeless for six months, occasionally rumaging through trash-cans
for food.
Still, I ended up making $20.00 per hour as a graphic artist and attending
college by the time I was 16. A lot of good *that* did me when the economy
took a plunge and unemployment reached record-high levels.

Straw-man. When did I *ever* say that I wanted everything handed to me?
Can you come up with even *one* instance?


Yes, auto insurance. You said the government should force
insurance companies to make it available for those who can't
afford it.

Non-sequitor. How does that constitute having something "handed" to anyone?
If there's going to be a law requiring that everyone have auto-insurance,
then it should be available for everyone - otherwise those who made the law
are guilty of entrapment.

And by what justification do you
call me a "lazy *****"?


See above.

And what is it that you'd like me to see?

Where the hell did you get the idea? Because I
don't think (like you do) that poor people should be put in jail for
attempting to find work?


What were you saying about straw men? Poor people don't get put in
jail for trying to find work.

They do unless they're lucky enough to live in highly centralized
communities where buses and bicycles are adequate for employment. You
yourself admitted that most employers outside of such highly centralized
areas generally require that applicants have "personal, reliable
transportation" (automobiles), meaning that the applicants must drive.
Some people NEED to drive to find work. Those people aren't going to be
able to afford insurance (because if they could, they wouldn't be looking
for work). Therefore, if you put people in jail for driving without
insurance, you're essentually locking them up because they're looking for
work.
Of course, I'm willing to admit there are some people out there who *can*
afford insurance, but are just cheap pieces of ***** needlessly putting other
drivers at risk. And I think those people SHOULD be locked up.

People get put in jail for breaking
the law.

And if you can't afford insurance but have to drive so you can get work (and
therefore afford insurance), you are breaking the law.

On the contrary, you are EXTREMELY religious - only instead of

worshipping

the Christian's God, you deify your government and your nation.


Nice attempt at spin to cover the fact that you were totally wrong
about me. Of course two wrongs don't make a right, and you are
wrong again.

You've demonstrated many times your dogmatic loyalty to the law (a system of
rules created and/or enforced by the government).
Besides, I wasn't "wrong" about you. I saw the word "skeptic" in your sig.
the first time you replied to one of my posts. I knew you were an
self-described atheist (or at least an agnostic). I just disagree. I've
never encountered an atheist as religious as you.

You defend
them with the same irrational fervor that Christians use to defend their
God.


I merely defend them against the false accusation of clueless
kooks like you. Beyond that they are on their own.

I've made no false accusations. I speak from experience. I've seen the
corruption of the government with my own two eyes. They are untrustworthy,
self-serving, greedy, capitalist pigs.

In fact, you even said there should be harsher penalties for people who
can't afford to pay insurance but who attempt to look for work anyway.


No, I said there should be harsher penalties for people who choose
to break the law.

Even those who are forced to risk their necks by breaking the law out of
necessity.

Looking for work isn't illegal.

It is if you don't already have money and don't live in a highly centralized
metropolitan area.

You've said that anyone caught driving without insurance (presumably,
they're only driving because they're looking for work so they *can*

afford

insurance) should be locked-up. But we'll forget about the inescapable
paradox that creates for the moment.


Yeah, forget about it since it doesn't seem to be a paradox for
most people, not even the poor ones.

You're right. They just suck it up, drive without insurance until they can
find work, and if they don't get caught, they get jobs and start paying for
their insurance. Those who do get caught are screwed.
That's why I think there needs to be some sort of provision for people in
that position. It would be nice to see people of sufficiently low income
recieve cheap (or free) auto-insurance provided they can prove they've
fulfilled a certain number of "job search activities" per month. Once
employed, the provision would run out and they'd have to pay the same
premiums as everyone else. Or we can keep the system we have now, and keep
punishing poor people for trying to find work.

Then you call those people, who bust
their asses everyday looking for jobs in an economy in which unemployed
people outnumber job opportunities, "lazy". You remind me of those
Christians who say that all those innocent little "pagan" children who

died

during the great flood, and the innocent men and women who died during

the

crusades and the Witch-hunts "got off easy".


If that's what I remind you of then there is something seriously
wrong with your reasoning abilities. Funny how it always seems to
come back to religion with you.

It wouldn't, if you weren't so damned religious.

Not only do you defend
indefensible EVIL, but you actually seem to think those at the recieving

end

deserve WORSE than what they get.


Expecting people to obey the same laws I do is hardly an
indefensible evil.

Expecting poor people to obey laws that you can't afford to obey when you're
poor *is* an indefensible evil.

And that's why America is corrupt. Of course it's the least corrupt of

all

the nations on Earth, but it's still corrupt. America may be the best
country in the world, but that ain't saying much.


Number one isn't saying much? Damn, you are one hard to please
kook. Maybe you should go live in number 150 for a while. Then
maybe you will appreciate how lucky you are to live here.

You've actually touched on my point there. Look at what America has to
contend with! America is the best country among a lot of really shitty
countries. That's why instead of saying "America is the greatest country on
Earth" I prefer to say "America is the least horrible country on Earth".
Just because it's not as bad as the others doesn't make it good. It just
makes it the best we have to choose from.

Useful busywork that deserves a lot less pay than what they get.


Your jealousy is pretty obvious. What's the matter, can't you get
anyone to bay you for your brains?

Been there, done that, company got bought out. Not a lot to choose from in
this area. Most places around here are only looking for laborers, work that
I'm unable to do due to health issues. I was told I could apply for
disability bennefits at the local DSHS, but I refuse to. I'm not going to
*****-out and sponge off the government. I'm going to find work or die
trying...and if I have to break the law to do that, than so be it.

After all, it
takes more than just "broom pushers" to make a society work.


Undoubtedly, but pushing a broom is a lot harder than pushing a pencil.
I've done both. I've done tech-support, graphic design, web design, and
janitorial. Part-time janitorial was far, far more exhausting (even
painful) than full-time deskwork. Yet I made $20.00 per hour doing

graphic

design,


If you are capable of making $20 an hour, then why can't you even
pay your auto insurance? Something doesn't add up here.

I'm capable of making $20 an hour doing graphic art or web design, but live
in an area with very few oppotunities for that sort of work. When the
company I worked for got bought out, I ended up having to take a part-time
job as a janitor making less than $600 a month. It wasn't much, but it was
enough to support my girlfriend and I at the time. Since I was fired from
that job (I got injured and made the mistake of reporting it to L&I), I
haven't been able to find work. Everytime there's an openining - even for a
really low-paying position - there's at least a hundred people rushing in
and applying for it. The stock-boy position I mentioned is a good example
of this.
If I could get some sort of work, I'd save up and move to the state capital
where I can resume my career as a graphic artist / web designer. Until then
I'm stuck with whatever I can find around here, which so far isn't enough to
live off of.

and only $7.50 per hour doing janitorial. It should've been the
other way around.


Why? I'm amazed you were paid that much. It's a minimum wage job.
You were one lucky janitor.

Janitorial shouldn't be minimum wage. It's damn hard work, and it ain't
glamorous. It's the hardest work I ever did. My work as a graphics artist
/ web designer was a pink, puffy cloud compared to doing janitorial. I
can't imagine why it pays less to be a janitor.

Working with your brain is much, much easier than working with your

back. I

speak from experience.


I seriously doubt that.

Maybe it wouldn't be for you. Many idiots are better suited for working
with their backs, and thus don't have nearly as difficult a time as those
who are better suited to work with their brains. Perhaps that's why it was
so much more difficult for me to do janitorial.

Anyone can quickly learn how to keep books or manage
a store


Except that most people never manage to do it. So I guess it isn't
as easy as you think.

Most people never manage to do it because that's not how the hierarchy
works. You can't have more managers than employees, so even if *all* the
employees are *equally* capable of being managers, only a few of them will
ever make it.

(especially since management consists of telling others what to do
while the manager sits on his fat lazy *****, gets drunk at 9:00am and

leaves

in the middle of the day to play golf while those who get payed less

than

him do all the work).


Funny, none of the managers I've ever worked with do that. Maybe
you just had a bad experience that left you bitter.

The managers in this area are notorious for that sort of thing. They're
also infamous for working employees extra hours without overtime (often
without any pay at all). They get away with it because the economy is so
poor that no one is willing to risk their jobs by blowing the wistle on
their employers. Potential employees are a dime a dozen, but employment
opportunities are scarcer than ever before.

For short periods of time. After a few years or even *months*, the

person

pushing the broom can have serious, permanent back problems.
Professional/industrial cleaning isn't as easy as it looks.


And yet some people do it their entire lives with no ill effects.

Some janitorial positions are easier than others. Imagine one in which
you're required not just to clean, but required to clean pools, wash dishes,
cook (without a food handler's permit, I might add), and a million other
jobs, told you have to *run* (not walk) when you haul vacuum cleaners and
carpet shampooers up and down stairs, change lightbulbs more than 15 feet in
the air when your boss is too cheap to buy a latter and tells you to just
"stack some chairs" and sometimes you fall and completely ***** up your back,
makes you fish Opossums out of trash cans bare-handed (doesn't even let you
use gloves, and stands over you to make SURE you don't use gloves or
anything other than your bare hands), etc., etc.

I never said that broom-pushers should be making more