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"Pt. Lurk Pt." |
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08 Jul 2007 01:30:26 PM |
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OT: Australia admits 'Iraq oil interest'... |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6272168.stm
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Australia admits 'Iraq oil interest'... |
09 Jul 2007 12:31:16 AM |
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Last time that great scribe <"Pt. Lurk" <Pt. Lurk@renvcom.net>> chipped
away at his/her stone these gems of wisdom for posterity ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6272168.stm
A great disaster. A government minister was honest. Truly most unusual.
Now however he has remembered the correct set of lies to peddle and is
once again on board with all the government's manure. The corpses of
those who have told the truth about Iraq lie in the form of ruined
careers like Andrew Wilkie and Andrew Barton. Telling the truth is
almost treason.
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Remove both YOUR_SHOES before replying
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make
you commit atrocities." - Voltaire
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| User: "Paul Broadway" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Australia admits 'Iraq oil interest'... |
08 Jul 2007 04:23:27 PM |
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On Jul 8, 11:30 am, "Pt. Lurk" <Pt. L...@renvcom.net> wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6272168.stm
L.
Who would have believed that Austrailia would be interested in oil
production? I have said this before and I'll say it again, "If George
W. Bush were a dairy farmer before being elected president, milk would
cost $7.50 a gallon today." Oil is the controllable factor in any
country's economic future. It is sad because renewable energy sources
would be far more reliable and much harder to tax. Our government
desires a petroleum based economy. Our government has greater control
on its citizenry under a petroleum based economy.
Why are our troops in Iraq? Why does President Bush continue on an
agenda that is completely defeated? The civil war and insurgency that
our occupation produced was the death knell for any real Democracy in
Iraq. Our esteemed President is beholding to the Saudi Arabian
government. You might say that their intrests trump even the United
States of America in the Bush administration's scheme of things.
Seventeen of the nineteen September 11th, 2001 attack were Saudi
Arabian citizens. The first airliner allowed to depart the United
States after the September 11th attacks was bound for Saudi Arabia
with royal family members and including several of the Bin Laden
family onboard. It seems that the United States government could not
insure their safety after the attacks.
So here we are involved in a war and occupation that is neither just,
nor based on the principles of our governance. Our government has
displayed an evil and corrupt agenda that utilizes torture and the
complete descecration of human rights. Our Judicial system has
removed the American citizen's right to own private property with the
decision rendered in Kelo vs. New London case. There are unreasonable
searches of our persons, residences, and businesses. Our government
has curbed, eliminated and restricted our rights as Americans. That
is what an economy based on petroleum products is producing for us.
It is time that American ingenuity and spirit to reclaim our destiny
in our great land. It is time for the corrupt and venal government
that has no respect for our laws to lose power over the American
people. Start using renewable energy and end government oppression.
-Paul Broadway
(619) 284-2331
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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09 Jul 2007 09:01:11 AM |
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Paul Broadway <sdbar@earthlink.net> wrote in alt.atheism
<snip>
Our Judicial system has removed the American citizen's right to own
private property with the decision rendered in Kelo vs. New London case.
Oh, c'mon, you gotta be kidding.
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Paul Broadway" |
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09 Jul 2007 06:30:14 PM |
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On Jul 9, 7:01 am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:
Paul Broadway <s...@earthlink.net> wrote in alt.atheism
<snip>
Our Judicial system has removed the American citizen's right to own
private property with the decision rendered in Kelo vs. New London case.
Oh, c'mon, you gotta be kidding.
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Elroy Williswww.elroysemporium.com
No, I am not kidding. The right to own property is null and void as
the government may take over ownership of your property and transfer
it to a developer for PRIVATE development. The governement has always
had the ability to seize property for PUBLIC development, see the
fifth amendment to the constitution.
-Paul Broadway
(619) 284-2331
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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10 Jul 2007 09:18:28 AM |
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Paul Broadway <sdbar@earthlink.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:
Paul Broadway <s...@earthlink.net> wrote in alt.atheism
<snip>
Our Judicial system has removed the American citizen's right to own
private property with the decision rendered in Kelo vs. New London case.
Oh, c'mon, you gotta be kidding.
No, I am not kidding. The right to own property is null and void as
the government may take over ownership of your property and transfer
it to a developer for PRIVATE development. The governement has always
had the ability to seize property for PUBLIC development, see the
fifth amendment to the constitution.
They have to pay you for it, they don't just take it for free. That's
hardly "removing" a person's right to own private property. The
person can then use the money and buy private property somewhere
else.
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Paul Broadway" |
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10 Jul 2007 07:17:49 PM |
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On Jul 10, 7:18 am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:
Paul Broadway <s...@earthlink.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:
Paul Broadway <s...@earthlink.net> wrote in alt.atheism
<snip>
Our Judicial system has removed the American citizen's right to own
private property with the decision rendered in Kelo vs. New London case.
Oh, c'mon, you gotta be kidding.
No, I am not kidding. The right to own property is null and void as
the government may take over ownership of your property and transfer
it to a developer for PRIVATE development. The governement has always
had the ability to seize property for PUBLIC development, see the
fifth amendment to the constitution.
They have to pay you for it, they don't just take it for free. That's
hardly "removing" a person's right to own private property. The
person can then use the money and buy private property somewhere
else.
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Elroy Williswww.elroysemporium.com
Oh I see, you believe that ownership of property without ownership
rights is truly owning property. In reality, you are merely in
possession of the property with no more rights that a person renting
it. You also believe that it is fine and dandy for the government to
oust you from that property that you worked your whole life to pay
off. You know the property, the hypothetical one you bought in the
early 1990's for less than $150,000.00. You hypothetically live in
California where there is Proposition 13 in place, the state can not
charge you more than 1% of your assessed value. So now that they have
kicked you out of your $150,000.00 assessed value house, you now have
to pay 1% on the $700,000.00 residence that you bought to replace that
old hypothetical home you loved and paid off. That seems fair, the
government needed more tax money to steal.
Then here is the neighbor who struck it big in the tech stocks. He
proposes a new condominium development on your land that will generate
more tax dollars than your single family residence ever would. You
don't see the local crooks, I mean politicians jumping to oust you and
your family from your home with the prospect of free dinners and
drinks while planning a revenue increasing project with the developer,
your neighbor. Mr. Willis, have you ever paid for anything for over
30 years and had it forcibly taken from you? Have you ever wrapped up
your retirement plans and dreams in a property, only to have some
developers and politicians force you to move to some other place?
Fair market value is never equal to the blood, sweat, and tear equity
poured into a home. Americans used to believe that their home was
their castle, now it is just a commodity to be taken when the
politician's coffers are empty and a favor is owed to a developer.
-Paul Broadway
(619) 284-2331
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Australia admits 'Iraq oil interest'... |
11 Jul 2007 11:38:19 AM |
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Paul Broadway <sdbar@earthlink.net> wrote in alt.atheism
<snip>
Americans used to believe that their home was their castle, now
it is just a commodity to be taken when the politician's coffers are
empty and a favor is owed to a developer.
If you don't like it here, why don't you move to another country?
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Paul Broadway" |
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11 Jul 2007 06:40:29 PM |
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On Jul 11, 9:38 am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:
Paul Broadway <s...@earthlink.net> wrote in alt.atheism
<snip>
Americans used to believe that their home was their castle, now
it is just a commodity to be taken when the politician's coffers are
empty and a favor is owed to a developer.
If you don't like it here, why don't you move to another country?
--
Elroy Williswww.elroysemporium.com
I love you guys. You think that your way is the only way, and you
don't want to hear about anything that might upset the boat. Well, I
have some news for you, the United States of America used to be a free
country. You seem to not mind being a mindless drone with all of your
rights controlled by an absolutely strong federal government. Have
you ever read the Bill of Rights? Have you ever read the Constitution
for that matter? No, you would not have time for such nonsense, after
all, if another citizen is displeased with how their rights are being
reduced, eliminated, or curbed, you suggest that they move to another
country. By the way, I have lived in another country before. I lived
in Sidon, Lebanon for one year. I was there from September of 1982 to
September of 1983, courtesy of the United States Navy. I also lived
in Tokyo, Japan from June 1989 to May 1992, again courtesy of the
United States Navy. There were a few other places that they sent me,
but I can not claim to have lived there if it is under one year. I
went to your little e-commerce website, I notice that you offer
household wares. That is kind of ironic. Well Mr. Willis, enjoy your
American experience, I won't try to convice you that your rights are
more valuable than anything you possess.
-Paul Broadway
(619) 284-2331
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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11 Jul 2007 07:04:02 PM |
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:40:29 -0700, Paul Broadway
<sdbar@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Jul 11, 9:38 am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:
Paul Broadway <s...@earthlink.net> wrote in alt.atheism
<snip>
Americans used to believe that their home was their castle, now
it is just a commodity to be taken when the politician's coffers are
empty and a favor is owed to a developer.
If you don't like it here, why don't you move to another country?
--
Elroy Williswww.elroysemporium.com
I love you guys. You think that your way is the only way, and you
Yet another lying theist.
don't want to hear about anything that might upset the boat. Well, I
have some news for you, the United States of America used to be a free
country. You seem to not mind being a mindless drone with all of your
rights controlled by an absolutely strong federal government. Have
you ever read the Bill of Rights? Have you ever read the Constitution
for that matter? No, you would not have time for such nonsense, after
all, if another citizen is displeased with how their rights are being
reduced, eliminated, or curbed, you suggest that they move to another
country. By the way, I have lived in another country before. I lived
in Sidon, Lebanon for one year. I was there from September of 1982 to
September of 1983, courtesy of the United States Navy. I also lived
in Tokyo, Japan from June 1989 to May 1992, again courtesy of the
United States Navy. There were a few other places that they sent me,
but I can not claim to have lived there if it is under one year. I
went to your little e-commerce website, I notice that you offer
household wares. That is kind of ironic. Well Mr. Willis, enjoy your
American experience, I won't try to convice you that your rights are
more valuable than anything you possess.
Idiot.
-Paul Broadway
(619) 284-2331
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| User: "Paul Broadway" |
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12 Jul 2007 07:05:31 PM |
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On Jul 11, 5:04 pm, Christopher A.Lee <ca...@optonline.net> stated,
"Yet another lying theist":
I wonder what part of my statement Mr. Lee believes are lies? Does he
believe that I have never read the Bill of Rights or the Constitution
of the United States of America? Does he doubt my military service?
Does he doubt whether I took the time to visit Mr. Willis' website?
We will never know, Mr. Lee stated that I was another, "Yet another
lying theist" and that I was an "idiot". I guess Mr. Lee does not
have much of a vocabulary, but he makes up for it in his inane
vagueness. I don't know, but Mr. Lee may have something to say, but,
perhaps he is not a native English speaker/writer? Perhaps Mr. Lee
possesses a learning disability that does not allow him to properly
express himself? You know, mental retardation. Or quite possibly,
Mr. Lee is a sheeple who needs another person's ideas and originality
to mimic, because he is devoid of his own material. In any case,
thank you Mr. Lee, for your thoughtful and well constructed
criticism. I will give it as much time as you took to write
it...................There finished!
-Paul Broadway
(619) 284-2331
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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15 Jul 2007 03:31:49 PM |
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Paul Broadway <sdbar@earthlink.net> wrote in alt.atheism
<snip>
By the way, I have lived in another country before. I lived in Sidon,
Lebanon for one year. I was there from September of 1982 to September
of 1983, courtesy of the United States Navy. I also lived in Tokyo, Japan
from June 1989 to May 1992, again courtesy of the United States Navy.
How was Japan? Did you like it there? How did you like the food?
There were a few other places that they sent me, but I can not claim to
have lived there if it is under one year.
Did you try to buy any property while you were there, or investigate
the laws about owning private property in those places?
I went to your little e-commerce website, I notice that you offer
household wares. That is kind of ironic.
How so?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Paul Broadway" |
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15 Jul 2007 06:49:59 PM |
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On Jul 15, 1:31 pm, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:
Paul Broadway <sd...@earthlink.net> wrote in alt.atheism
<snip>
By the way, I have lived in another country before. I lived in Sidon,
Lebanon for one year. I was there from September of 1982 to September
of 1983, courtesy of the United States Navy. I also lived in Tokyo, Japan
from June 1989 to May 1992, again courtesy of the United States Navy.
How was Japan? Did you like it there? How did you like the food?
There were a few other places that they sent me, but I can not claim to
have lived there if it is under one year.
Did you try to buy any property while you were there, or investigate
the laws about owning private property in those places?
I went to your little e-commerce website, I notice that you offer
household wares. That is kind of ironic.
How so?
--
Elroy Williswww.elroysemporium.com
I usually find that small businessmen by virtue of their own vision
and hard work are kind of fond of their rights.
-Paul Broadway
(619) 284-2331
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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16 Jul 2007 12:50:10 PM |
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Paul Broadway <sdbar@earthlink.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:
Paul Broadway <sd...@earthlink.net> wrote in alt.atheism
I went to your little e-commerce website, I notice that you offer
household wares. That is kind of ironic.
How so?
I usually find that small businessmen by virtue of their own vision
and hard work are kind of fond of their rights.
What makes you think I'm not? Just because I'm not as upset as
you are about eminent domain?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Paul Broadway" |
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17 Jul 2007 08:21:32 PM |
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On Jul 16, 10:50 am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:
Paul Broadway <sd...@earthlink.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:
Paul Broadway <sd...@earthlink.net> wrote in alt.atheism
I went to your little e-commerce website, I notice that you offer
household wares. That is kind of ironic.
How so?
I usually find that small businessmen by virtue of their own vision
and hard work are kind of fond of their rights.
What makes you think I'm not? Just because I'm not as upset as
you are about eminent domain?
--
Elroy Williswww.elroysemporium.com
Well to start with you made the statement, "If you don't like it here,
why don't you move to another country?" That sounds like someone who
is a little closed minded on the issue. Eminent domain is only one of
the many rights and protections that have been curbed, restricted or
eliminated for the American people. Most people could care less, they
only care if their consumerism halts. Most of the sheeple only want
the next toy that they must possess to be "cool". Too bad there is no
such toy or electronic device. Being cool is not important, being
free is.
-Paul Broadway
(619) 284-2331
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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18 Jul 2007 10:51:34 AM |
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Paul Broadway <sdbar@earthlink.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:
Paul Broadway <sd...@earthlink.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:
Paul Broadway <sd...@earthlink.net> wrote in alt.atheism
I went to your little e-commerce website, I notice that you offer
household wares. That is kind of ironic.
How so?
I usually find that small businessmen by virtue of their own vision
and hard work are kind of fond of their rights.
What makes you think I'm not? Just because I'm not as upset as
you are about eminent domain?
Well to start with you made the statement, "If you don't like it here,
why don't you move to another country?" That sounds like someone who
is a little closed minded on the issue. Eminent domain is only one of
the many rights and protections that have been curbed, restricted or
eliminated for the American people. Most people could care less, they
only care if their consumerism halts.
That should be "couldn't care less," right? Anyway, I take the
"liber" in "liberal" stance as "free", same as in "liber"ated. I like
freedom, especially freedom from government interference. That
includes the freedom to sell and buy things, which is part of
consumerism.
Most of the sheeple only want the next toy that they must possess to
be "cool". Too bad there is no such toy or electronic device. Being
cool is not important, being free is.
Was it hard for you to buy your first computer?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Paul Broadway" |
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21 Jul 2007 02:06:33 PM |
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On Jul 18, 8:51 am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:
Paul Broadway <sd...@earthlink.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:
Paul Broadway <sd...@earthlink.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:
Paul Broadway <sd...@earthlink.net> wrote in alt.atheism
I went to your little e-commerce website, I notice that you offer
household wares. That is kind of ironic.
How so?
I usually find that small businessmen by virtue of their own vision
and hard work are kind of fond of their rights.
What makes you think I'm not? Just because I'm not as upset as
you are about eminent domain?
Well to start with you made the statement, "If you don't like it here,
why don't you move to another country?" That sounds like someone who
is a little closed minded on the issue. Eminent domain is only one of
the many rights and protections that have been curbed, restricted or
eliminated for the American people. Most people could care less, they
only care if their consumerism halts.
That should be "couldn't care less," right? Anyway, I take the
"liber" in "liberal" stance as "free", same as in "liber"ated. I like
freedom, especially freedom from government interference. That
includes the freedom to sell and buy things, which is part of
consumerism.
Most of the sheeple only want the next toy that they must possess to
be "cool". Too bad there is no such toy or electronic device. Being
cool is not important, being free is.
Was it hard for you to buy your first computer?
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Elroy Williswww.elroysemporium.com- Hide quoted text -
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My first computer was in my computer science class in high school
around 1980. My next computer was the computers provided to me
onboard the U.S.S. Acadia AD-42 in 1984. I extensively used the U.S.
Navy's computers through out the 1980s and early 1990's. I bought my
first computer in 1995, when I got out of the Navy. So the answer to
your question is yes, but only due to having free access to a computer
without having to buy one.
-Paul Broadway
(619) 284-2331
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| User: "Paul Broadway" |
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15 Jul 2007 06:58:34 PM |
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On Jul 15, 1:31 pm, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:
Paul Broadway <sd...@earthlink.net> wrote in alt.atheism
<snip>
By the way, I have lived in another country before. I lived in Sidon,
Lebanon for one year. I was there from September of 1982 to September
of 1983, courtesy of the United States Navy. I also lived in Tokyo, Japan
from June 1989 to May 1992, again courtesy of the United States Navy.
How was Japan? Did you like it there? How did you like the food?
I love Japanese food. It is as good as any other kind of food. The
best asian food in my opinion is Indonesian food! Japan is one of two
countries I would want to live in, besides the United States. I was
in the military while I was in Japan, so I had a job and a nice place
to live. I kind of lived like a rock star compared to the average
Japanese citizen.
There were a few other places that they sent me, but I can not claim to
have lived there if it is under one year.
Did you try to buy any property while you were there, or investigate
the laws about owning private property in those places?
Yes, I was always business savvy. I always investigated any business
oportunity that presented itself.
I went to your little e-commerce website, I notice that you offer
household wares. That is kind of ironic.
How so?
I answered this in a separate post.
-Paul Broadway
(619) 284-2331
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