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From http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3652462.stm
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Pill propelled into abortion debate
By Jill McGivering
BBC correspondent in Washington
The birth control pill revolutionised women's health - and grew to
become one of the most popular forms of family planning. But it is now
under attack from pro-life groups in the US.
A growing number of doctors and pharmacists are now refusing to dispense
it, on the grounds that it is actually a form of abortion.
Pro-choice groups fear this new moral objection to the Pill could lead
to more unplanned pregnancies, even more abortions.
A woman taking the Pill does not usually release eggs. But occasionally
she might - and it is possible that egg could be fertilised.
The hormonal conditions created by the Pill mean, if that happened, the
fertilised egg would not be implanted or survive.
Mainstream medicine does not define that as a pregnancy. But some of
those strictly against abortion do.
Dr Cynthia Jones-Nosacek - a family doctor in Milwaukee - now refuses to
prescribe the Pill. She opposes it on moral grounds, arguing it is a
form of abortion.
"The contraceptive pill doesn't always prevent ovulation. As often as
30% of the time, ovulation may occur and if that happens, fertilisation
may occur," Dr Jones-Nosacek says.
"Then there are other mechanisms that can prevent that being from
surviving. It's called a chemical abortion."
'Caught off-guard'
That definition is suddenly gaining support and some pharmacists now
refuse to dispense the Pill.
Julee Lacey, a mother of two, had used the Pill for nine years when a
pharmacist at her local chemist in Texas refused her prescription.
"She [the pharmacist] began to tell me she personally does not believe
in birth control," says Ms Lacey.
"I was a little caught off-guard and shocked... I asked her again. She
said: 'No, ma'am, I don't believe in birth control. I can't help you'...
"I really couldn't believe she had the right to withhold my medication
from me," she adds.
At first these were just isolated cases, mostly in the Midwest. But
recently they have increased dramatically.
Pro-choice groups now call it a significant and growing trend. Lisa
Boyce of Planned Parenthood in Wisconsin says it is a conscious
extension of the abortion debate.
"They've done so much with outlawing and restricting access to abortion
that they've set their sights on birth control because there's nothing
else really they can do to further restrict abortion here in Wisconsin,"
Ms Boyce says.
"Which is counter-intuitive because if you're against abortion in the
least you'd think you would see the value in enhancing access birth
control, the very means women look to preventing pregnancy and the need
for abortion."
Conscience clauses
And in the run-up to the election, it is a hot political topic too.
This year 12 states took steps to try to introduce so-called conscience
clauses. They allow pharmacists to refuse to dispense drugs, including
the Pill, on moral grounds, without losing their jobs.
In Wisconsin, the mostly-Republican assembly passed the bill, only to
have it vetoed by the Democratic governor.
Representative Curt Gielow says pharmacists should be protected.
"There was an incident where a pharmacist who worked in a retail drug
store refused on conscience to fill a prescription and that individual
was terminated from employment," Mr Gielow says.
"That, I believe, set the stage for concern there might be employment
discrimination opportunity here if in fact you listened to your
conscience instead of doing what the boss told you to do."
At the moment, the Pill is hugely popular in the US. But calling it a
type of abortion opens up a whole new front in the pro-life, pro-choice
debate.
This moral condemnation is a fresh challenge to one of the most used,
most reliable methods of family planning.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/americas/3652462.stm
Published: 2004/09/13 16:28:25 GMT
© BBC MMIV
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15 Sep 2004 12:41:18 AM |
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In article <2qpjtbF11v04oU1@uni-berlin.de>,
"August Pamplona" <cosmicaug@hotmail.com> wrote:
From http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3652462.stm
August Pamplona
P.S. Reproduced below.
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Pill propelled into abortion debate
By Jill McGivering
BBC correspondent in Washington
The birth control pill revolutionised women's health - and grew to
become one of the most popular forms of family planning. But it is now
under attack from pro-life groups in the US.
A growing number of doctors and pharmacists are now refusing to dispense
it, on the grounds that it is actually a form of abortion.
Pro-choice groups fear this new moral objection to the Pill could lead
to more unplanned pregnancies, even more abortions.
They just don't get it. Most abortions happen because of ignorance,
inavailability, or failure of contraceptive methods. No woman gets
pregnant just so she can have an abortion.
This is almost as stupid as the drive to eliminate sex education other
than that based on abstinence only from the public schools. Whether
some like it or not, people are going to have sex. They should at
least have knowledge of the options available to prevent unintended
consequences.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "kathryn" |
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15 Sep 2004 12:13:58 PM |
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"johac" <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-1F17E9.22411814092004@news.giganews.com...
In article <2qpjtbF11v04oU1@uni-berlin.de>,
"August Pamplona" <cosmicaug@hotmail.com> wrote:
From http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3652462.stm
August Pamplona
P.S. Reproduced below.
--
The waterfall in Java is not wet.
- omegazero2003 on m.f.w.
a.a. # 1811 apatriot #20 Eater of smut
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Pill propelled into abortion debate
By Jill McGivering
BBC correspondent in Washington
The birth control pill revolutionised women's health - and grew to
become one of the most popular forms of family planning. But it is now
under attack from pro-life groups in the US.
A growing number of doctors and pharmacists are now refusing to dispense
it, on the grounds that it is actually a form of abortion.
Pro-choice groups fear this new moral objection to the Pill could lead
to more unplanned pregnancies, even more abortions.
They just don't get it. Most abortions happen because of ignorance,
inavailability, or failure of contraceptive methods. No woman gets
pregnant just so she can have an abortion.
This is almost as stupid as the drive to eliminate sex education other
than that based on abstinence only from the public schools. Whether
some like it or not, people are going to have sex. They should at
least have knowledge of the options available to prevent unintended
consequences.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
You know that, I know that. For some reason the fundie side are ever so
keen to promote ignorance. The fact they are willing to endanger the lives
of women who may need the pill or an abortion for health reasons says it
all. As some twat once said to me "women shouldn't complain about being
thrown a curve ball", when I gave "what if your sister was raped and got
pregant" or " what if you sister and the baby were going to die if they
pregnancy continued" scenarios.
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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15 Sep 2004 12:20:50 PM |
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"kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote in
news:ci9t8m$sht$1@sparta.btinternet.com:
You know that, I know that. For some reason the fundie side are ever
so keen to promote ignorance. The fact they are willing to endanger
the lives of women who may need the pill or an abortion for health
reasons says it all. As some twat once said to me "women shouldn't
complain about being thrown a curve ball", when I gave "what if your
sister was raped and got pregant" or " what if you sister and the baby
were going to die if they pregnancy continued" scenarios.
Fundies have made it clear, time and time again, that as far as they are
concerned, women are not people. They are, literally, dirt, with the sole
purpose of having some seed planted in them, which might grow more dirt, or
might grow an actual human being (which is to say, a male child). Since
dirt has no self-awareness, it hardly matters what the dirt wants. It is
only dirt, after all.
The frightening thing is how many women agree that they are, literally,
nothing more than a patch of dirt to be ploughed and planted.
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
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| User: "" |
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16 Sep 2004 11:53:54 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:20:50 -0000, No 33 Secretary
<taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote:
"kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote in
news:ci9t8m$sht$1@sparta.btinternet.com:
You know that, I know that. For some reason the fundie side are ever
so keen to promote ignorance. The fact they are willing to endanger
the lives of women who may need the pill or an abortion for health
reasons says it all. As some twat once said to me "women shouldn't
complain about being thrown a curve ball", when I gave "what if your
sister was raped and got pregant" or " what if you sister and the baby
were going to die if they pregnancy continued" scenarios.
Fundies have made it clear, time and time again, that as far as they are
concerned, women are not people. They are, literally, dirt, with the sole
purpose of having some seed planted in them, which might grow more dirt, or
might grow an actual human being (which is to say, a male child). Since
dirt has no self-awareness, it hardly matters what the dirt wants. It is
only dirt, after all.
The frightening thing is how many women agree that they are, literally,
nothing more than a patch of dirt to be ploughed and planted.
Agreed. (shudder)
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| User: "johac" |
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17 Sep 2004 12:26:15 AM |
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In article <ci9t8m$sht$1@sparta.btinternet.com>,
"kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-1F17E9.22411814092004@news.giganews.com...
In article <2qpjtbF11v04oU1@uni-berlin.de>,
"August Pamplona" <cosmicaug@hotmail.com> wrote:
From http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3652462.stm
August Pamplona
P.S. Reproduced below.
--
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Pill propelled into abortion debate
By Jill McGivering
BBC correspondent in Washington
The birth control pill revolutionised women's health - and grew to
become one of the most popular forms of family planning. But it is now
under attack from pro-life groups in the US.
A growing number of doctors and pharmacists are now refusing to dispense
it, on the grounds that it is actually a form of abortion.
Pro-choice groups fear this new moral objection to the Pill could lead
to more unplanned pregnancies, even more abortions.
They just don't get it. Most abortions happen because of ignorance,
inavailability, or failure of contraceptive methods. No woman gets
pregnant just so she can have an abortion.
This is almost as stupid as the drive to eliminate sex education other
than that based on abstinence only from the public schools. Whether
some like it or not, people are going to have sex. They should at
least have knowledge of the options available to prevent unintended
consequences.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
You know that, I know that. For some reason the fundie side are ever so
keen to promote ignorance. The fact they are willing to endanger the lives
of women who may need the pill or an abortion for health reasons says it
all. As some twat once said to me "women shouldn't complain about being
thrown a curve ball", when I gave "what if your sister was raped and got
pregant" or " what if you sister and the baby were going to die if they
pregnancy continued" scenarios.
Not that I would ever want to wish them any ill fortune, but I wonder
what Bush would do if that happened to one of his daughters.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "" |
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17 Sep 2004 08:26:32 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:26:15 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <ci9t8m$sht$1@sparta.btinternet.com>,
"kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-1F17E9.22411814092004@news.giganews.com...
In article <2qpjtbF11v04oU1@uni-berlin.de>,
"August Pamplona" <cosmicaug@hotmail.com> wrote:
From http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3652462.stm
August Pamplona
P.S. Reproduced below.
--
The waterfall in Java is not wet.
- omegazero2003 on m.f.w.
a.a. # 1811 apatriot #20 Eater of smut
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Pill propelled into abortion debate
By Jill McGivering
BBC correspondent in Washington
The birth control pill revolutionised women's health - and grew to
become one of the most popular forms of family planning. But it is now
under attack from pro-life groups in the US.
A growing number of doctors and pharmacists are now refusing to dispense
it, on the grounds that it is actually a form of abortion.
Pro-choice groups fear this new moral objection to the Pill could lead
to more unplanned pregnancies, even more abortions.
They just don't get it. Most abortions happen because of ignorance,
inavailability, or failure of contraceptive methods. No woman gets
pregnant just so she can have an abortion.
This is almost as stupid as the drive to eliminate sex education other
than that based on abstinence only from the public schools. Whether
some like it or not, people are going to have sex. They should at
least have knowledge of the options available to prevent unintended
consequences.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
You know that, I know that. For some reason the fundie side are ever so
keen to promote ignorance. The fact they are willing to endanger the lives
of women who may need the pill or an abortion for health reasons says it
all. As some twat once said to me "women shouldn't complain about being
thrown a curve ball", when I gave "what if your sister was raped and got
pregant" or " what if you sister and the baby were going to die if they
pregnancy continued" scenarios.
Not that I would ever want to wish them any ill fortune, but I wonder
what Bush would do if that happened to one of his daughters.
Instant pill and/or abortion.
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| User: "johac" |
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18 Sep 2004 01:09:28 AM |
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In article <il3nk0lf0tk5jnd866op8sept7kuidiobm@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:26:15 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <ci9t8m$sht$1@sparta.btinternet.com>,
"kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-1F17E9.22411814092004@news.giganews.com...
In article <2qpjtbF11v04oU1@uni-berlin.de>,
"August Pamplona" <cosmicaug@hotmail.com> wrote:
From http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3652462.stm
August Pamplona
P.S. Reproduced below.
--
The waterfall in Java is not wet.
- omegazero2003 on m.f.w.
a.a. # 1811 apatriot #20 Eater of smut
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Pill propelled into abortion debate
By Jill McGivering
BBC correspondent in Washington
The birth control pill revolutionised women's health - and grew to
become one of the most popular forms of family planning. But it is now
under attack from pro-life groups in the US.
A growing number of doctors and pharmacists are now refusing to
dispense
it, on the grounds that it is actually a form of abortion.
Pro-choice groups fear this new moral objection to the Pill could lead
to more unplanned pregnancies, even more abortions.
They just don't get it. Most abortions happen because of ignorance,
inavailability, or failure of contraceptive methods. No woman gets
pregnant just so she can have an abortion.
This is almost as stupid as the drive to eliminate sex education other
than that based on abstinence only from the public schools. Whether
some like it or not, people are going to have sex. They should at
least have knowledge of the options available to prevent unintended
consequences.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
You know that, I know that. For some reason the fundie side are ever so
keen to promote ignorance. The fact they are willing to endanger the lives
of women who may need the pill or an abortion for health reasons says it
all. As some twat once said to me "women shouldn't complain about being
thrown a curve ball", when I gave "what if your sister was raped and got
pregant" or " what if you sister and the baby were going to die if they
pregnancy continued" scenarios.
Not that I would ever want to wish them any ill fortune, but I wonder
what Bush would do if that happened to one of his daughters.
Instant pill and/or abortion.
And not a word in the press.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
.
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| User: "" |
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18 Sep 2004 07:04:17 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:09:28 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <il3nk0lf0tk5jnd866op8sept7kuidiobm@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:26:15 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <ci9t8m$sht$1@sparta.btinternet.com>,
"kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-1F17E9.22411814092004@news.giganews.com...
In article <2qpjtbF11v04oU1@uni-berlin.de>,
"August Pamplona" <cosmicaug@hotmail.com> wrote:
From http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3652462.stm
August Pamplona
P.S. Reproduced below.
--
The waterfall in Java is not wet.
- omegazero2003 on m.f.w.
a.a. # 1811 apatriot #20 Eater of smut
The address in this message's 'From' field, in accordance with
individual.net's TOS, is real. However, almost all messages
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Pill propelled into abortion debate
By Jill McGivering
BBC correspondent in Washington
The birth control pill revolutionised women's health - and grew to
become one of the most popular forms of family planning. But it is now
under attack from pro-life groups in the US.
A growing number of doctors and pharmacists are now refusing to
dispense
it, on the grounds that it is actually a form of abortion.
Pro-choice groups fear this new moral objection to the Pill could lead
to more unplanned pregnancies, even more abortions.
They just don't get it. Most abortions happen because of ignorance,
inavailability, or failure of contraceptive methods. No woman gets
pregnant just so she can have an abortion.
This is almost as stupid as the drive to eliminate sex education other
than that based on abstinence only from the public schools. Whether
some like it or not, people are going to have sex. They should at
least have knowledge of the options available to prevent unintended
consequences.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
You know that, I know that. For some reason the fundie side are ever so
keen to promote ignorance. The fact they are willing to endanger the lives
of women who may need the pill or an abortion for health reasons says it
all. As some twat once said to me "women shouldn't complain about being
thrown a curve ball", when I gave "what if your sister was raped and got
pregant" or " what if you sister and the baby were going to die if they
pregnancy continued" scenarios.
Not that I would ever want to wish them any ill fortune, but I wonder
what Bush would do if that happened to one of his daughters.
Instant pill and/or abortion.
And not a word in the press.
Of course not!
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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15 Sep 2004 12:50:15 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:13:58 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <bob@bob.com>
wrote:
You know that, I know that. For some reason the fundie side are ever so
keen to promote ignorance. The fact they are willing to endanger the lives
of women who may need the pill or an abortion for health reasons says it
all. As some twat once said to me "women shouldn't complain about being
thrown a curve ball", when I gave "what if your sister was raped and got
pregant" or " what if you sister and the baby were going to die if they
pregnancy continued" scenarios.
The pill allowed women to have both a career and a family. Fundyism
thinks these are incompatible.
The Lady In My Life is a Catholic from an overpopulated developing
country who disagrees with the Papal line on abortion. We're probably
too old to have a family but it would be a pleasant surprise. Doctrine
says to sacrifice the mother for the baby - but I'd prefer to lose the
baby and try for another, or even adopt if we were unable to have
another.
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| User: "Apostate" |
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15 Sep 2004 01:54:52 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:50:15 GMT, Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:13:58 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <bob@bob.com>
wrote:
You know that, I know that. For some reason the fundie side are ever so
keen to promote ignorance. The fact they are willing to endanger the lives
of women who may need the pill or an abortion for health reasons says it
all. As some twat once said to me "women shouldn't complain about being
thrown a curve ball", when I gave "what if your sister was raped and got
pregant" or " what if you sister and the baby were going to die if they
pregnancy continued" scenarios.
The pill allowed women to have both a career and a family. Fundyism
thinks these are incompatible.
The Lady In My Life is a Catholic from an overpopulated developing
country who disagrees with the Papal line on abortion. We're probably
too old to have a family but it would be a pleasant surprise. Doctrine
says to sacrifice the mother for the baby - but I'd prefer to lose the
baby and try for another, or even adopt if we were unable to have
another.
Strange thing: some years prior to Roe v. Wade in the U.S., a not uncommon
bit of parlor talk casuistry, in Catholic circles, was to hypothesize a drowning
incident, in which one's wife and baby were simultaneously at risk of descending
to Neptune, and separated by space (how?!) enough that only one could be saved.
The "party line" on the ethics of choosing was that the mother should be saved,
since with her uterus kept alive, another baby could be obtained to replace the
one lost.
Just saying.
--
/Apostate
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EAC Supernumerary Deputy Director, Department of Redundancy Department
plonked by Lani_girl, first post; Billions Served!
I doubt, therefore I might be.
For e-mail, hold that tiger!
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14 Sep 2004 10:13:00 PM |
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On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:24:08 -0500, "August Pamplona"
<cosmicaug@hotmail.com> wrote:
"I really couldn't believe she had the right to withhold my medication
from me," she adds.
In most other countries, including all european ones, she does not,
and would highly likely be fired for not doing her job.
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| User: "" |
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16 Sep 2004 03:17:38 AM |
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 05:13:00 +0200, Guardian Pegasus <pope@holysee.va>
wrote:
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:24:08 -0500, "August Pamplona"
<cosmicaug@hotmail.com> wrote:
"I really couldn't believe she had the right to withhold my medication
from me," she adds.
In most other countries, including all european ones, she does not,
and would highly likely be fired for not doing her job.
As it was, until recently, here.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: OT: BBC: Pill propelled into abortion debate |
15 Sep 2004 07:04:46 AM |
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 05:13:00 +0200, Guardian Pegasus <pope@holysee.va>
wrote:
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:24:08 -0500, "August Pamplona"
<cosmicaug@hotmail.com> wrote:
"I really couldn't believe she had the right to withhold my medication
from me," she adds.
In most other countries, including all european ones, she does not,
and would highly likely be fired for not doing her job.
Which should happen here. It looks as though this has been on the way
for a while, with fundy legislatures "preparing the ground" by passing
this legislation before it happened.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: OT: BBC: Pill propelled into abortion debate |
16 Sep 2004 03:19:36 AM |
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:04:46 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 05:13:00 +0200, Guardian Pegasus <pope@holysee.va>
wrote:
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:24:08 -0500, "August Pamplona"
<cosmicaug@hotmail.com> wrote:
"I really couldn't believe she had the right to withhold my medication
from me," she adds.
In most other countries, including all european ones, she does not,
and would highly likely be fired for not doing her job.
Which should happen here. It looks as though this has been on the way
for a while, with fundy legislatures "preparing the ground" by passing
this legislation before it happened.
Gee, it's against my concience to come into work for this company ever
again based on myraid reasons, but I must be paid my normal salary and
collect the usual benefits anyway.
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: OT: BBC: Pill propelled into abortion debate |
14 Sep 2004 10:03:13 PM |
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On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:24:08 -0500, "August Pamplona"
<cosmicaug@hotmail.com> wrote:
From http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3652462.stm
August Pamplona
P.S. Reproduced below.
All reliable means of birth control have the possibility of abortion.
Without reliable birth control, men will either have to use rubbers or
spermacides ~and~ will have to resign themselves to large families or
having something snipped, or go without.
The big problem is that birth control pills control a variety of
severe health conditions. Refusing to prescribe the pill might cost a
woman her life. I hope these pharmacists have major insurance
policies.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: OT: BBC: Pill propelled into abortion debate |
15 Sep 2004 07:03:19 AM |
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On 14 Sep 2004 22:03:13 -0500, (Kate ) wrote:
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:24:08 -0500, "August Pamplona"
<cosmicaug@hotmail.com> wrote:
From http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3652462.stm
August Pamplona
P.S. Reproduced below.
All reliable means of birth control have the possibility of abortion.
Without reliable birth control, men will either have to use rubbers or
spermacides ~and~ will have to resign themselves to large families or
having something snipped, or go without.
The big problem is that birth control pills control a variety of
severe health conditions. Refusing to prescribe the pill might cost a
woman her life. I hope these pharmacists have major insurance
policies.
Unfortunately several states have passed laws exempting the hparmacist
over this.
It's nothing new. Eg Walmart comes into a rural town and puts the
local pharmacies out of business for miles around. They refuse to
supply the morning after pill because the owner imagines it's an
abortifacient.
It's part of the fundy problem: my conscience applies to you.
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| User: "towelie" |
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| Title: Re: OT: BBC: Pill propelled into abortion debate |
15 Sep 2004 03:05:22 AM |
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TV's Kate wrote:
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:24:08 -0500, "August Pamplona"
<cosmicaug@hotmail.com> wrote:
From http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3652462.stm
August Pamplona
P.S. Reproduced below.
All reliable means of birth control have the possibility of abortion.
Without reliable birth control, men will either have to use rubbers or
spermacides ~and~ will have to resign themselves to large families or
having something snipped, or go without.
The big problem is that birth control pills control a variety of
severe health conditions. Refusing to prescribe the pill might cost a
woman her life. I hope these pharmacists have major insurance
policies.
I hope they don't. They deserve financial ruin, and may they get financial
ruin.
Does a police officer who supports the right for a man to kill another man
not have to arrest murderers? This could set a dangerous precedent.
Nobody forced them to be pharmacists. If they don't want to do their job,
they need to find another that accomodates their backwards morals.
--
If you don't like my lyrics you can press fast forward. - Jay-Z
aa #2133
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| User: "Brian F. King" |
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| Title: Re: OT: BBC: Pill propelled into abortion debate |
15 Sep 2004 10:49:28 AM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
TV's Kate wrote:
"August Pamplona" <cosmicaug@hotmail.com> wrote:
From http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3652462.stm
August Pamplona
P.S. Reproduced below.
All reliable means of birth control have the possibility of abortion.
Without reliable birth control, men will either have to use rubbers or
spermacides ~and~ will have to resign themselves to large families or
having something snipped, or go without.
The big problem is that birth control pills control a variety of
severe health conditions. Refusing to prescribe the pill might cost a
woman her life. I hope these pharmacists have major insurance
policies.
I hope they don't. They deserve financial ruin, and may they get financial
ruin.
Does a police officer who supports the right for a man to kill another man
not have to arrest murderers? This could set a dangerous precedent.
Presumably, a pharmacist who is a 'Christian Scientist' could not be
fired for not dispensing medicine *at all*, as it 'violates his
conscience'?
Nobody forced them to be pharmacists. If they don't want to do their job,
they need to find another that accomodates their backwards morals.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: OT: BBC: Pill propelled into abortion debate |
16 Sep 2004 03:17:05 AM |
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 03:05:22 -0500, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
TV's Kate wrote:
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:24:08 -0500, "August Pamplona"
<cosmicaug@hotmail.com> wrote:
From http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3652462.stm
August Pamplona
P.S. Reproduced below.
All reliable means of birth control have the possibility of abortion.
Without reliable birth control, men will either have to use rubbers or
spermacides ~and~ will have to resign themselves to large families or
having something snipped, or go without.
The big problem is that birth control pills control a variety of
severe health conditions. Refusing to prescribe the pill might cost a
woman her life. I hope these pharmacists have major insurance
policies.
I hope they don't. They deserve financial ruin, and may they get financial
ruin.
Does a police officer who supports the right for a man to kill another man
not have to arrest murderers? This could set a dangerous precedent.
Nobody forced them to be pharmacists. If they don't want to do their job,
they need to find another that accomodates their backwards morals.
What 'morals?' Or humanity, compassion, empathy, or honesty?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: OT: BBC: Pill propelled into abortion debate |
16 Sep 2004 03:15:54 AM |
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On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:24:08 -0500, "August Pamplona"
<cosmicaug@hotmail.com> wrote:
From http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3652462.stm
Imagine my unsurprise. Soon there will be a christian monitor in
every bedroom to ensure there's no oral sex and that the missionary
position is the only one used.
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