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Date:	21 Oct 2005 10:44:43 AM
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User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Best possible view of Tom DeLay	22 Oct 2005 12:18:43 PM

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:pO2dnV-P5-8K-sfeRVn-iw@centurytel.net:

TV's Eric Gill wrote:

Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:Xns96F7519456149fstone69@213.155.197.138:

My, that's a pretty strawman you've got there, and all ready for
Halloween.

My, that's a pretty lake of denial you're drowning in.

As usual.

The only question being is are you fooling yourself, or just
striking out completely?

You're such a loser.

Striking out completely it is.

They say Bush was "born on third, thinks he got a triple". Fred
strikes out and thinks he hit a grand slam.

IKYABWAI?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The next time someone on the left wants a date for
withdrawal from Iraq, ask them for a date to give
up on diplomacy with Iran. The Iraq date will be a month
after the Iran date which will be 1 day before Iran is invaded."
- Stehpinkeln
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User: "Deadrat"
Title: Re: Best possible view of Tom DeLay	22 Oct 2005 04:51:06 PM

"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96F787866560Bfstone69@213.155.197.138...

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:pO2dnV-P5-8K-sfeRVn-iw@centurytel.net:

TV's Eric Gill wrote:

Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:Xns96F7519456149fstone69@213.155.197.138:

My, that's a pretty strawman you've got there, and all ready for
Halloween.

My, that's a pretty lake of denial you're drowning in.

As usual.

The only question being is are you fooling yourself, or just
striking out completely?

You're such a loser.

Striking out completely it is.

They say Bush was "born on third, thinks he got a triple". Fred
strikes out and thinks he hit a grand slam.

IKYABWAI?

Are you in the third grade?
Why don't you try to make a cogent argument? You've even got a
defensible position. From what I've read, DeLay's side is saying
that the Texas law he's accused of violating didn't go into effect until
*after* his money laundering. Of course, his lawyer also accused
MoveOn.org of selling tee shirts with DeLay's mug shot.
Did DeLay break the law? I don't know. (And hell, I hope he gets
a cell adjoining Bill Frist's. They both ought to do time just for the
Terri Schiavo case.) Law is a tricky subject. You can go to jail
for lying about legal activities. Just ask Martha if you don't believe me.
Your repeated bleatings are worthless as argument. So would be any
right-wing blogs you quote. How about researching the legal issues?
Get back to us.
Deadrat

--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369

<snip>
PS
By the way, thanks for rotating an idiotic signature for me to snip.
DR
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User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Best possible view of Tom DeLay	22 Oct 2005 05:54:55 PM

"Deadrat" <ephemera1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:evy6f.408$Lv.233@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net:

"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96F787866560Bfstone69@213.155.197.138...

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:pO2dnV-P5-8K-sfeRVn-iw@centurytel.net:

TV's Eric Gill wrote:

Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:Xns96F7519456149fstone69@213.155.197.138:

My, that's a pretty strawman you've got there, and all ready
for Halloween.

My, that's a pretty lake of denial you're drowning in.

As usual.

The only question being is are you fooling yourself, or just
striking out completely?

You're such a loser.

Striking out completely it is.

They say Bush was "born on third, thinks he got a triple". Fred
strikes out and thinks he hit a grand slam.

IKYABWAI?

I've *been* making that argument. Along with the one about how it's not
money laundering because it wasn't done to "sanitize" the proceeds of an
illegal transaction.
For my pains, I was accused of trying to paint DeLay as an "angel",
among other favorite leftie insults. It's that particular strawman that
I noted above.

Did DeLay break the law? I don't know. (And hell, I hope he gets
a cell adjoining Bill Frist's. They both ought to do time just for
the Terri Schiavo case.) Law is a tricky subject. You can go to jail
for lying about legal activities. Just ask Martha if you don't
believe me.

Well, technically, what Martha lied about was *not* a legal activity,
but they didn't have enough evidence to make the insider trading charge
stick.

Your repeated bleatings are worthless as argument. So would be any
right-wing blogs you quote. How about researching the legal issues?

Been there, done that.
Reported my findings.
Got called names.
As usual.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The next time someone on the left wants a date for
withdrawal from Iraq, ask them for a date to give
up on diplomacy with Iran. The Iraq date will be a month
after the Iran date which will be 1 day before Iran is invaded."
- Stehpinkeln
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User: "towelie"
Title: Re: Best possible view of Tom DeLay	22 Oct 2005 12:35:25 AM

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

I'm sure Tom "The Hammer" DeLay is every bit as much of an SOB as you
say he is. Last I heard, that isn't a crime, and neither is the
financial maneuver he's being accused of.

That's a flat-out lie. Whether he is guilty or not is yet to be determined,
but what he is accused of is definitely a crime. If it weren't, Earle would
be in a heap of trouble.
--
aa #2133
ap #19
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User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Best possible view of Tom DeLay	22 Oct 2005 07:02:47 AM

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:NqOdnbkgvMY9UsTeRVn-iw@centurytel.net:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

I'm sure Tom "The Hammer" DeLay is every bit as much of an SOB as you
say he is. Last I heard, that isn't a crime, and neither is the
financial maneuver he's being accused of.

That's a flat-out lie. Whether he is guilty or not is yet to be
determined, but what he is accused of is definitely a crime. If it
weren't, Earle would be in a heap of trouble.

Oh, like it's only Republicans who be that partisan and incompetent?
This isn't even the first time that Ronnie Earle has brough baseless
indictments.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The next time someone on the left wants a date for
withdrawal from Iraq, ask them for a date to give
up on diplomacy with Iran. The Iraq date will be a month
after the Iran date which will be 1 day before Iran is invaded."
- Stehpinkeln
.

User: "towelie"
Title: Re: Best possible view of Tom DeLay	22 Oct 2005 11:22:41 AM

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:NqOdnbkgvMY9UsTeRVn-iw@centurytel.net:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

I'm sure Tom "The Hammer" DeLay is every bit as much of an SOB as you
say he is. Last I heard, that isn't a crime, and neither is the
financial maneuver he's being accused of.

That's a flat-out lie. Whether he is guilty or not is yet to be
determined, but what he is accused of is definitely a crime. If it
weren't, Earle would be in a heap of trouble.

Oh, like it's only Republicans who be that partisan and incompetent?

This isn't even the first time that Ronnie Earle has brough baseless
indictments.

The majority of the politicians that Earle has gone after were Democrats.
--
aa #2133
ap #19
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User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Best possible view of Tom DeLay	22 Oct 2005 12:18:31 PM

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:z_OdnVZUgeHM-sfeRVn-uA@centurytel.net:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:NqOdnbkgvMY9UsTeRVn-iw@centurytel.net:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

I'm sure Tom "The Hammer" DeLay is every bit as much of an SOB as
you say he is. Last I heard, that isn't a crime, and neither is the
financial maneuver he's being accused of.

That's a flat-out lie. Whether he is guilty or not is yet to be
determined, but what he is accused of is definitely a crime. If it
weren't, Earle would be in a heap of trouble.

Oh, like it's only Republicans who be that partisan and incompetent?

This isn't even the first time that Ronnie Earle has brough baseless
indictments.

The majority of the politicians that Earle has gone after were
Democrats.

Which proves only that he has had Democratic opponents as well as
Republicans.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The next time someone on the left wants a date for
withdrawal from Iraq, ask them for a date to give
up on diplomacy with Iran. The Iraq date will be a month
after the Iran date which will be 1 day before Iran is invaded."
- Stehpinkeln
.

User: "AC"
Title: Re: Best possible view of Tom DeLay	24 Oct 2005 01:02:52 PM

On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:18:31 +0000 (UTC),
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:z_OdnVZUgeHM-sfeRVn-uA@centurytel.net:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:NqOdnbkgvMY9UsTeRVn-iw@centurytel.net:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

I'm sure Tom "The Hammer" DeLay is every bit as much of an SOB as
you say he is. Last I heard, that isn't a crime, and neither is the
financial maneuver he's being accused of.

That's a flat-out lie. Whether he is guilty or not is yet to be
determined, but what he is accused of is definitely a crime. If it
weren't, Earle would be in a heap of trouble.

Oh, like it's only Republicans who be that partisan and incompetent?

This isn't even the first time that Ronnie Earle has brough baseless
indictments.

The majority of the politicians that Earle has gone after were
Democrats.

Which proves only that he has had Democratic opponents as well as
Republicans.

It also demonstrates that he isn't a raging partisan.
--
Aaron Clausen
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
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User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Best possible view of Tom DeLay	26 Oct 2005 08:45:58 AM

AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:slrndlq8ec.vjr.mightymartianca@nobody.here:

On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:18:31 +0000 (UTC),
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:z_OdnVZUgeHM-sfeRVn-uA@centurytel.net:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:NqOdnbkgvMY9UsTeRVn-iw@centurytel.net:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

I'm sure Tom "The Hammer" DeLay is every bit as much of an SOB as
you say he is. Last I heard, that isn't a crime, and neither is

the

financial maneuver he's being accused of.

That's a flat-out lie. Whether he is guilty or not is yet to be
determined, but what he is accused of is definitely a crime. If

weren't, Earle would be in a heap of trouble.

Oh, like it's only Republicans who be that partisan and

incompetent?

This isn't even the first time that Ronnie Earle has brough

baseless

indictments.

The majority of the politicians that Earle has gone after were
Democrats.

Which proves only that he has had Democratic opponents as well as
Republicans.

It also demonstrates that he isn't a raging partisan.

Not.
http://www.willisms.com/archives/2005/10/trivia_tidbit_o_193.html
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The next time someone on the left wants a date for
withdrawal from Iraq, ask them for a date to give
up on diplomacy with Iran. The Iraq date will be a month
after the Iran date which will be 1 day before Iran is invaded."
- Stehpinkeln
.

User: "Deadrat"
Title: Re: Best possible view of Tom DeLay	26 Oct 2005 02:40:00 PM

"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96FB63754A332fstone69@213.155.197.138...

AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:slrndlq8ec.vjr.mightymartianca@nobody.here:

On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:18:31 +0000 (UTC),
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:z_OdnVZUgeHM-sfeRVn-uA@centurytel.net:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:NqOdnbkgvMY9UsTeRVn-iw@centurytel.net:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

I'm sure Tom "The Hammer" DeLay is every bit as much of an SOB as
you say he is. Last I heard, that isn't a crime, and neither is

the

financial maneuver he's being accused of.

That's a flat-out lie. Whether he is guilty or not is yet to be
determined, but what he is accused of is definitely a crime. If

weren't, Earle would be in a heap of trouble.

Oh, like it's only Republicans who be that partisan and

incompetent?

This isn't even the first time that Ronnie Earle has brough

baseless

indictments.

The majority of the politicians that Earle has gone after were
Democrats.

Which proves only that he has had Democratic opponents as well as
Republicans.

It also demonstrates that he isn't a raging partisan.

Not.

http://www.willisms.com/archives/2005/10/trivia_tidbit_o_193.html

I understand that the large effort it takes to reach truly informed
opinions. Since we can't always take the necessary time, it's important to
understand the bias of those on whom we rely. As far as I can tell, you
have no opinions of your own; they're all swallowed whole from others.
I don't think you even have an opinion on how reliable your sources are.
Did Tom DeLay launder money? I don't know. In Texas, corporations
cannot legally give money to candidates. Suppose a corporation gives
money to the RNC, and the RNC gives money to a Texas candidate.
Is that illegal? I doubt it. Suppose the corporation gives the money to
the RNC with the understanding that the money will go to the candidate?
I'm guessing that's not legal. As in many instance under the law, intent
and the actions taken that illustrate intent are important.
But I know that I'm guessing. I think it's an informed guess, but that's
as far as I go. You, on the other hand, already know the answer for
sure. And you've demonstrated many times, on this thread alone, how
uninformed you are. Any alarm bells going off?
Let's look at your url. It notes that National Committees of both parties
spent money in Texas from 1998-2002. There are even two impressive tables.
I'd say there was no doubt that the system is awash in money sloshing back
and forth between the state and national committees of the parties. I'd say
there was no doubt that this circumvented the intent of the Texas law.
But none of this helps DeLay. The claim is that his donations went from
corporations to candidates with a short layover in a National Committee,
and everyone knew both the source and the destination. I think that may
be hard to prove. We'll see.
But while we're waiting, why don't you try a useful exercise. Find 5 things
in the site or its links that are off base. I'll give you one for free: In a link
to the ACLU, the C is a hammer and sickle. You don't have to change your
mind on anything, of course.
Deadrat

--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369

<snip>
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User: "towelie"
Title: Re: Best possible view of Tom DeLay	22 Oct 2005 12:51:59 PM

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:z_OdnVZUgeHM-sfeRVn-uA@centurytel.net:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:NqOdnbkgvMY9UsTeRVn-iw@centurytel.net:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

I'm sure Tom "The Hammer" DeLay is every bit as much of an SOB as
you say he is. Last I heard, that isn't a crime, and neither is the
financial maneuver he's being accused of.

That's a flat-out lie. Whether he is guilty or not is yet to be
determined, but what he is accused of is definitely a crime. If it
weren't, Earle would be in a heap of trouble.

Oh, like it's only Republicans who be that partisan and incompetent?

This isn't even the first time that Ronnie Earle has brough baseless
indictments.

The majority of the politicians that Earle has gone after were
Democrats.

Which proves only that he has had Democratic opponents as well as
Republicans.

Which proves that he's not partisan, as you incorrectly claimed. Thanks for
conceding defeat again, Fred. What am I now, 50-0?
--
aa #2133
ap #19
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User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Best possible view of Tom DeLay	22 Oct 2005 01:35:44 PM

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:-o6dnZo9NMOi4cfenZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@centurytel.net:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:z_OdnVZUgeHM-sfeRVn-uA@centurytel.net:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:NqOdnbkgvMY9UsTeRVn-iw@centurytel.net:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

I'm sure Tom "The Hammer" DeLay is every bit as much of an SOB as
you say he is. Last I heard, that isn't a crime, and neither is
the financial maneuver he's being accused of.

That's a flat-out lie. Whether he is guilty or not is yet to be
determined, but what he is accused of is definitely a crime. If
it weren't, Earle would be in a heap of trouble.

Oh, like it's only Republicans who be that partisan and
incompetent?

This isn't even the first time that Ronnie Earle has brough
baseless indictments.

The majority of the politicians that Earle has gone after were
Democrats.

Which proves only that he has had Democratic opponents as well as
Republicans.

Which proves that he's not partisan, as you incorrectly claimed.
Thanks for conceding defeat again, Fred. What am I now, 50-0?

Zero out of a thousand, more like. You don't think that partisans can
oppose others from the same party? I suggest that you look at the Kos
Kidz and Mother Moonbat vs Hillary's Democratic Leadership Council or
the Hard-right social conservatives vs the Bushies.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The next time someone on the left wants a date for
withdrawal from Iraq, ask them for a date to give
up on diplomacy with Iran. The Iraq date will be a month
after the Iran date which will be 1 day before Iran is invaded."
- Stehpinkeln
.

User: ""
Title: Re: Best possible view of Tom DeLay	22 Oct 2005 01:59:02 PM

Fred Stone wrote:

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:-o6dnZo9NMOi4cfenZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@centurytel.net:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:z_OdnVZUgeHM-sfeRVn-uA@centurytel.net:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:NqOdnbkgvMY9UsTeRVn-iw@centurytel.net:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

I'm sure Tom "The Hammer" DeLay is every bit as much of an SOB as
you say he is. Last I heard, that isn't a crime, and neither is
the financial maneuver he's being accused of.

That's a flat-out lie. Whether he is guilty or not is yet to be
determined, but what he is accused of is definitely a crime. If
it weren't, Earle would be in a heap of trouble.

Oh, like it's only Republicans who be that partisan and
incompetent?

This isn't even the first time that Ronnie Earle has brough
baseless indictments.

The majority of the politicians that Earle has gone after were
Democrats.

Which proves only that he has had Democratic opponents as well as
Republicans.

Which proves that he's not partisan, as you incorrectly claimed.
Thanks for conceding defeat again, Fred. What am I now, 50-0?

More importantly, Fred, *you* don't think that someone who might be a
democrat is capable of giving DeLay a fair trial. The ability to do so
is called "integrity" and those who are incapable of seeing it in
anyone except those who share their views are those most lacking in it.
A similar phenomenon exists in accusations of lying you know. In my
experience the epithet "liar" falls most easily from the lips of
prevaricators.
Chris
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User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Best possible view of Tom DeLay	22 Oct 2005 02:41:53 PM

"chris.linthompson@gmail.com" <chris.linthompson@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1130007542.635770.35280@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

Fred Stone wrote:

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:-o6dnZo9NMOi4cfenZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@centurytel.net:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:z_OdnVZUgeHM-sfeRVn-uA@centurytel.net:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:NqOdnbkgvMY9UsTeRVn-iw@centurytel.net:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

I'm sure Tom "The Hammer" DeLay is every bit as much of an SOB
as you say he is. Last I heard, that isn't a crime, and
neither is the financial maneuver he's being accused of.

That's a flat-out lie. Whether he is guilty or not is yet to
be determined, but what he is accused of is definitely a crime.
If it weren't, Earle would be in a heap of trouble.

Oh, like it's only Republicans who be that partisan and
incompetent?

This isn't even the first time that Ronnie Earle has brough
baseless indictments.

The majority of the politicians that Earle has gone after were
Democrats.

Which proves only that he has had Democratic opponents as well as
Republicans.

Which proves that he's not partisan, as you incorrectly claimed.
Thanks for conceding defeat again, Fred. What am I now, 50-0?

More importantly, Fred, *you* don't think that someone who might be a
democrat is capable of giving DeLay a fair trial.

Where did I say that? Go ahead and quote my words on that.

The ability to do so
is called "integrity" and those who are incapable of seeing it in
anyone except those who share their views are those most lacking in
it. A similar phenomenon exists in accusations of lying you know. In
my experience the epithet "liar" falls most easily from the lips of
prevaricators.

Hmm, notice who said "flat-out lie" in this thread.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The next time someone on the left wants a date for
withdrawal from Iraq, ask them for a date to give
up on diplomacy with Iran. The Iraq date will be a month
after the Iran date which will be 1 day before Iran is invaded."
- Stehpinkeln
.

User: "CreateThis"
Title: Re: Best possible view of Tom DeLay	22 Oct 2005 02:19:39 PM

wrote:

... the epithet "liar" falls most easily from the lips of
prevaricators.

We expect others to be as bad as ourselves.
CT
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User: "Kate "
Title: Re: Best possible view of Tom DeLay	22 Oct 2005 02:46:03 PM

On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 14:19:39 -0500, CreateThis <CreateThis@yippee.com>
wrote:

chris.linthompson@gmail.com wrote:

... the epithet "liar" falls most easily from the lips of
prevaricators.

We expect others to be as bad as ourselves.

Yeah, Fred is the most talented of projectionists.
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User: "towelie"
Title: Re: Best possible view of Tom DeLay	22 Oct 2005 02:02:08 PM

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

Then it's not partisanism.
--
aa #2133
ap #19
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Best possible view of Tom DeLay	22 Oct 2005 02:47:11 PM

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in news:9IOdnSyrkd8rEcfeRVn-
ig@centurytel.net:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

Then it's not partisanism.

Then call it "factionalism".
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The next time someone on the left wants a date for
withdrawal from Iraq, ask them for a date to give
up on diplomacy with Iran. The Iraq date will be a month
after the Iran date which will be 1 day before Iran is invaded."
- Stehpinkeln
.

User: "Budikka666"
Title: Re: Best possible view of Tom DeLay	22 Oct 2005 07:24:08 AM

towelie wrote:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

I'm sure Tom "The Hammer" DeLay is every bit as much of an SOB as you
say he is. Last I heard, that isn't a crime, and neither is the
financial maneuver he's being accused of.

That's a flat-out lie. Whether he is guilty or not is yet to be determined,
but what he is accused of is definitely a crime. If it weren't, Earle would
be in a heap of trouble.

--
aa #2133
ap #19

Don't waste your time on the Internet's third biggest liar. He cannot
support a thing he says. To my knowledge, Earle has brought 15
indictments. 12 of them have been against democrats, so any lies about
bias are precisely that - a smoke screen to hide the crumbling facade
of Bush's cronyism and cluelessness.
This is nothing compared with the panning Bush's "team" got from Time
magazine (Oct 3).
In addition to the well-known case of Michael Brown ("Brownie, you're
doing a heck of a job!" - George "Wuss" Bush, who promptly fired him),
and Tom Delay there is:
Julie Myers
Husband is Chief of Staff to Michael Chertoff and she's the niece of
Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs. She is up for head of
Immigration and Custom's Enforcement with barely the required minimum
of 5 years experience.
David Safavian
Rep. Tom Davis employs Safavian's wife, and he was a lobby colleague of
Grover Norquist. He was chief procurement officer in charge of $300
billion of Federal money. Two weeks ago he abruptly resigned and was
then arrested on a charge of lying to investigators in regard to his
dealings with Tom Delay's ex-bosom buddy, Jack Abramoff.
Scott Gottlieb
A stock handicapper and critic of the FDA is now deputy comissioner for
medical and scientific affairs. He's a friend of FDA chief Mark
McLellan, who is White House spokesman Scott McLellan. Despite
denials, he has at least twice second-guessed agency scientists on drug
safety issues.
Bill Frist
Getting into hot water regarding how blind his "blind Trust" was that
was supposed to prevent him from knowing what stocks he owned while in
public office.
Joseph Schmitz
Quit at the Pentagon after blacking out the names of White house
personnel who approved a contract to lease planes from Boeing that
would have cost more than buying the planes would have.
Janet Rehnquist
Daughter of late chief justice delayed an audit of the Florida pension
system at Jeb Bush's request. Kept an unautorized gun in her office.
Resigned ahead of a report in June 2003 which would reveal these and
other things.
60% of the Inspector generals Bush nominated had politial experience
while only 20% had auditing experience. This is the reverse of what
Clinton had set up.
Dubya's dad put so many friends into the Commerce department that it
was known internally as "Bush gardens".
In addition to this, the black poverty rate (thoughts of which seem to
have been blown away by Rita) which had fallen from 33% to 22% under
Clinton (all that and he got a ***** too!), has risen to almost 25%
under Bush.
Jeb Bush, their likely next candidate in the Dynasty (which likely will
die nasty at this rate) is just as much a waffle-head as his brother
and father.
On top of the awful fiasco over Terri Schiavo, where Bush the pretender
couldn't get his interfering fingers on her husband or her body,
leaving him forced to declare "...an end to the state's inquiry into
Terri Schiavo's collapse 15 years ago, after Florida's state attorney
said there was no evidence that criminal activity was involved."
http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/06/15/schiavo.autopsy/index.html
Jeb is now setting himself for another headache by simultaneously
trying to encourage science and creation in Florida:
http://tinyurl.com/df98h
is an interesting article about Jeb Bush's apparent schizophrenia on
the creation vs. evolution situation by Carl Zimmer, the author of the
companion book to PBS's "Evolution" miniseries.
While he is on the one hand luring the Scripps Reasearch Institute
(http://www.scripps.edu/intro/) to open an east-coast operation in
Florida, he's recently appointed Cheryl Yecke, a self-proclaimed
creationist, as his state chancellor of K-12 education!
Budikka
.

User: "Klaus Hellnick"
Title: Re: Best possible view of Tom DeLay	21 Oct 2005 01:14:44 PM

Eric Gill wrote:

Klaus Hellnick <khellnick@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:e396f.17920$6e1.17766@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:

towelie wrote:

TV's

wrote:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1020051delay1.html

He looks like he's excited about the prospect of getting assraped in
prison.

He isn't going to prison because the charge is bogus, leveled by a
polital hack prosecuter. He had more than enough hard money
contributions to pay for his hard money expenses. That is the bottom
line. Klaus

Of course, what you actually mean is, "He is too powerful, peddles too much
influence, and simple concepts like justice no longer apply to him."

And that has been the bottom line for years here near Houston.

Nope, I do not mean that at all.
Klaus
.

User: "Eric Gill"
Title: Re: Best possible view of Tom DeLay	21 Oct 2005 04:25:13 PM

Klaus Hellnick <khellnick@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:oea6f.3257$D13.1079@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com:

Eric Gill wrote:

Klaus Hellnick <khellnick@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:e396f.17920$6e1.17766@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:

towelie wrote:

TV's

wrote:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1020051delay1.html

He looks like he's excited about the prospect of getting assraped in
prison.

Of course, what you actually mean is, "He is too powerful, peddles
too much influence, and simple concepts like justice no longer apply
to him."

And that has been the bottom line for years here near Houston.

Nope, I do not mean that at all.

That's too bad.That would have meant you knew something about DeLay.
.

User: "Bobby D. Bryant"
Title: Re: Best possible view of Tom DeLay	21 Oct 2005 04:08:21 PM

On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, Eric Gill <ericvgill@yahoo.com> wrote:

Klaus Hellnick <khellnick@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:e396f.17920$6e1.17766@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:

towelie wrote:

TV's

wrote:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1020051delay1.html

He looks like he's excited about the prospect of getting assraped in
prison.

Of course, what you actually mean is, "He is too powerful, peddles
too much influence, and simple concepts like justice no longer apply
to him."

Out-of-staters may not be aware that his fans have been running smear
commercials against the lawyer since about the time he was indicted.
If you watch the evening news you'll see it twice. If you watch other
evening shows you'll see it every hour or so.
At the end of the commercial they give the law office's phone number
and encourage people to call and harass^w complain.
--
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
.

User: "Enkidu the Atheist"
Title: Re: Best possible view of Tom DeLay	21 Oct 2005 03:45:20 PM

Klaus Hellnick <khellnick@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:e396f.17920$6e1.17766@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:

towelie wrote:

TV's

wrote:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1020051delay1.html

He looks like he's excited about the prospect of getting assraped in
prison.

The "polital hack prosecuter" who prosecuted over twice as many democrats
for corruption as republicans?
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
Creationists make it sound as though a "theory" is something you dreamt
up after being drunk all night.
-- Isaac Asimov (attributed: source unknown)
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Best possible view of Tom DeLay	21 Oct 2005 04:13:17 PM

Enkidu the Atheist <jdwnx4702@sneakemail.com> wrote in
news:Xns96F68BF0E509A255229@130.133.1.4:

Klaus Hellnick <khellnick@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:e396f.17920$6e1.17766@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:

towelie wrote:

TV's

wrote:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1020051delay1.html

He looks like he's excited about the prospect of getting assraped in
prison.

The "polital hack prosecuter" who prosecuted over twice as many
democrats for corruption as republicans?

And all of them political opponents of Ronnie Earle or his cronies.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The next time someone on the left wants a date for
withdrawal from Iraq, ask them for a date to give
up on diplomacy with Iran. The Iraq date will be a month
after the Iran date which will be 1 day before Iran is invaded."
- Stehpinkeln
.

User: "Deadrat"
Title: Re: Best possible view of Tom DeLay	22 Oct 2005 04:54:45 PM

"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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Enkidu the Atheist <jdwnx4702@sneakemail.com> wrote in
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Klaus Hellnick <khellnick@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
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towelie wrote:

TV's

wrote:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1020051delay1.html

He looks like he's excited about the prospect of getting assraped in
prison.

The "polital hack prosecuter" who prosecuted over twice as many
democrats for corruption as republicans?

And all of them political opponents of Ronnie Earle or his cronies.

See, here's where we're expecting a list of people Earle has indicted
and a short explanation of why each is a political opponent. Or are
you just quoting someone else's opinion without attribution? Or are
you just making it up?

--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369

<snip>
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Best possible view of Tom DeLay	22 Oct 2005 06:05:04 PM

"Deadrat" <ephemera1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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Enkidu the Atheist <jdwnx4702@sneakemail.com> wrote in
news:Xns96F68BF0E509A255229@130.133.1.4:

Klaus Hellnick <khellnick@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:e396f.17920$6e1.17766@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:

towelie wrote:

TV's

wrote:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1020051delay1.html

He looks like he's excited about the prospect of getting assraped
in prison.

The "polital hack prosecuter" who prosecuted over twice as many
democrats for corruption as republicans?

And all of them political opponents of Ronnie Earle or his cronies.

[begin cite]
Ronnie Earle has a history of using his office for attacks on his
political and personal enemies.
�"The Travis County, Texas, prosecutor investigating Mr. DeLay has a
history of using his office for partisan ends."(Congressional
prerogative, The Washington Times, November 19, 2004)
�Earle has demonstrated a past zeal for indicting conservative figures
and even liberals with whom he has personal or professional
disagreements. (Target: DeLay, National Review, April 11, 2005)
Earle's partisan prosecutions - which have frequently failed - are
designed for political harm, not legal harm. Earle is the same partisan
prosecutor who politically indicted and failed to convict:
Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison
Conservative Democrat Bob Bullock (when he was Comptroller - later he
was Lt. Governor)
Democrat Attorney General Jim Mattox
Ronnie Earle's three year political vendetta against Rep. DeLay has been
marked by:
Illegal grand jury leaks,
A fundraising speech by Earle for the Texas Democrat party that
inappropriately focused on the investigation,
Misuse of his office for partisan purposes, and
Extortion of money for Earle's pet projects from corporations in
exchange for dismissing indictments he brought against them.
Ronnie Earle has been frequently criticized for his methods:
The Dallas Morning News criticized Earle in the Hutchison case:
"the impression of partisan unfairness has certainly been reinforced by
the leaks and public comment about Hutchison's case from the District
Attorney's office throughout the summer. That the Grand Jury
investigation has been conducted with so much fanfare such as the tip-
offs to the new media when key records were seized from the former
treasurer's office has added a darker tone to the cloudy proceedings."
(Hutchison Probe; Fair and Speedy trial is essential, The Dallas Morning
News, September 28, 1993)
The Houston Chronicle called into question Earle's impartiality and
judgment:
"The fact that Earle refuses to recognize his blunder and would do it
again calls into question whether he has the necessary impartiality and
judgment to conduct the investigation that to a great extent will
determine whether Texas election campaigns will be financed and perhaps
determined by corporations or by individuals."
(Self-inflicted wound; District attorney's poor judgment in speaking at
a Democratic fund-raiser provides an unintended boost for DeLay's
defenders., The Houston Chronicle, May 20, 2005)
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/003628.htm
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The next time someone on the left wants a date for
withdrawal from Iraq, ask them for a date to give
up on diplomacy with Iran. The Iraq date will be a month
after the Iran date which will be 1 day before Iran is invaded."
- Stehpinkeln
.

User: "David Fritzinger"
Title: Re: Best possible view of Tom DeLay	22 Oct 2005 08:20:20 PM

Fred Stone wrote:

"Deadrat" <ephemera1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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Enkidu the Atheist <jdwnx4702@sneakemail.com> wrote in
news:Xns96F68BF0E509A255229@130.133.1.4:

Klaus Hellnick <khellnick@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:e396f.17920$6e1.17766@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:

towelie wrote:

TV's

wrote:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1020051delay1.html

He looks like he's excited about the prospect of getting assraped
in prison.

The "polital hack prosecuter" who prosecuted over twice as many
democrats for corruption as republicans?

And all of them political opponents of Ronnie Earle or his cronies.

[begin cite]

Ronnie Earle has a history of using his office for attacks on his
political and personal enemies.

�"The Travis County, Texas, prosecutor investigating Mr. DeLay has a
history of using his office for partisan ends."(Congressional
prerogative, The Washington Times, November 19, 2004)

�Earle has demonstrated a past zeal for indicting conservative figures
and even liberals with whom he has personal or professional
disagreements. (Target: DeLay, National Review, April 11, 2005)

Earle's partisan prosecutions - which have frequently failed - are
designed for political harm, not legal harm. Earle is the same partisan
prosecutor who politically indicted and failed to convict:

Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison
Conservative Democrat Bob Bullock (when he was Comptroller - later he
was Lt. Governor)
Democrat Attorney General Jim Mattox

Ronnie Earle's three year political vendetta against Rep. DeLay has been
marked by:

Illegal grand jury leaks,
A fundraising speech by Earle for the Texas Democrat party that
inappropriately focused on the investigation,
Misuse of his office for partisan purposes, and
Extortion of money for Earle's pet projects from corporations in
exchange for dismissing indictments he brought against them.

Ronnie Earle has been frequently criticized for his methods:

The Dallas Morning News criticized Earle in the Hutchison case:

"the impression of partisan unfairness has certainly been reinforced by
the leaks and public comment about Hutchison's case from the District
Attorney's office throughout the summer. That the Grand Jury
investigation has been conducted with so much fanfare such as the tip-
offs to the new media when key records were seized from the former
treasurer's office has added a darker tone to the cloudy proceedings."
(Hutchison Probe; Fair and Speedy trial is essential, The Dallas Morning
News, September 28, 1993)

The Houston Chronicle called into question Earle's impartiality and
judgment:

"The fact that Earle refuses to recognize his blunder and would do it
again calls into question whether he has the necessary impartiality and
judgment to conduct the investigation that to a great extent will
determine whether Texas election campaigns will be financed and perhaps
determined by corporations or by individuals."

(Self-inflicted wound; District attorney's poor judgment in speaking at
a Democratic fund-raiser provides an unintended boost for DeLay's
defenders., The Houston Chronicle, May 20, 2005)

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/003628.htm

Fred, would you accuse me of using biased sources if I quoted, say,
Paul Krugman (We already know the answer to that one, don't we?),
Michael Moore, etc? Yet, you expect us to accept your quoting of such
sources as Michelle Malkin, the Washington Times, etc.
Sorry, but those sources are biased.
--
Dave Fritzinger
Honolulu,HI
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Best possible view of Tom DeLay	22 Oct 2005 09:17:01 PM

"David Fritzinger" <dfritzin@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1130030420.017286.42490@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

Fred Stone wrote:

"Deadrat" <ephemera1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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Enkidu the Atheist <jdwnx4702@sneakemail.com> wrote in
news:Xns96F68BF0E509A255229@130.133.1.4:

Klaus Hellnick <khellnick@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:e396f.17920$6e1.17766@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:

towelie wrote:

TV's

wrote:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1020051delay1.html

He looks like he's excited about the prospect of getting
assraped in prison.

He isn't going to prison because the charge is bogus, leveled
by a polital hack prosecuter. He had more than enough hard
money contributions to pay for his hard money expenses. That is
the bottom line. Klaus

The "polital hack prosecuter" who prosecuted over twice as many
democrats for corruption as republicans?

And all of them political opponents of Ronnie Earle or his
cronies.

See, here's where we're expecting a list of people Earle has
indicted and a short explanation of why each is a political
opponent. Or are you just quoting someone else's opinion without
attribution? Or are you just making it up?

[begin cite]

Ronnie Earle has a history of using his office for attacks on his
political and personal enemies.

�"The Travis County, Texas, prosecutor investigating Mr. DeLay has a
history of using his office for partisan ends."(Congressional
prerogative, The Washington Times, November 19, 2004)

�Earle has demonstrated a past zeal for indicting conservative
figures and even liberals with whom he has personal or professional
disagreements. (Target: DeLay, National Review, April 11, 2005)

Earle's partisan prosecutions - which have frequently failed - are
designed for political harm, not legal harm. Earle is the same
partisan prosecutor who politically indicted and failed to convict:

Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison
Conservative Democrat Bob Bullock (when he was Comptroller - later he
was Lt. Governor)
Democrat Attorney General Jim Mattox

Ronnie Earle's three year political vendetta against Rep. DeLay has
been marked by:

Illegal grand jury leaks,
A fundraising speech by Earle for the Texas Democrat party that
inappropriately focused on the investigation,
Misuse of his office for partisan purposes, and
Extortion of money for Earle's pet projects from corporations in
exchange for dismissing indictments he brought against them.

Ronnie Earle has been frequently criticized for his methods:

The Dallas Morning News criticized Earle in the Hutchison case:

"the impression of partisan unfairness has certainly been reinforced
by the leaks and public comment about Hutchison's case from the
District Attorney's office throughout the summer. That the Grand Jury
investigation has been conducted with so much fanfare such as the
tip- offs to the new media when key records were seized from the
former treasurer's office has added a darker tone to the cloudy
proceedings." (Hutchison Probe; Fair and Speedy trial is essential,
The Dallas Morning News, September 28, 1993)

The Houston Chronicle called into question Earle's impartiality and
judgment:

"The fact that Earle refuses to recognize his blunder and would do it
again calls into question whether he has the necessary impartiality
and judgment to conduct the investigation that to a great extent will
determine whether Texas election campaigns will be financed and
perhaps determined by corporations or by individuals."

(Self-inflicted wound; District attorney's poor judgment in speaking
at a Democratic fund-raiser provides an unintended boost for DeLay's
defenders., The Houston Chronicle, May 20, 2005)

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/003628.htm

Fred, would you accuse me of using biased sources if I quoted, say,
Paul Krugman (We already know the answer to that one, don't we?),

I've posted support for my claims that *particular* material from
Krugman was incorrect or incomplete.

Michael Moore, etc? Yet, you expect us to accept your quoting of such
sources as Michelle Malkin, the Washington Times, etc.

Sorry, but those sources are biased.

Prove that the above material is incorrect, or concede the argument.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The next time someone on the left wants a date for
withdrawal from Iraq, ask them for a date to give
up on diplomacy with Iran. The Iraq date will be a month
after the Iran date which will be 1 day before Iran is invaded."
- Stehpinkeln
.

User: "David Fritzinger"
Title: Re: Best possible view of Tom DeLay	23 Oct 2005 12:03:08 AM