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"Mark K. Bilbo" |
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10 Sep 2005 05:34:01 PM |
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OT: Bush running scared... |
"One prominent African-American supporter of Mr. Bush who is close to Karl
Rove, the White House political chief, said the president did not go into
the heart of New Orleans and meet with black victims on his first trip
there, last Friday, because he knew that White House officials were
'scared to death' of the reaction.
"'If I'm Karl, do I want the visual of black people hollering at the
president as if we're living in Rwanda?' said the supporter, who spoke
only anonymously because he did not want to antagonize Mr. Rove."
http://nytimes.com/2005/09/10/national/nationalspecial/10crisis.html?ei=5094&en=5e194c087578e640&hp=&ex=1126411200&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print
http://makeashorterlink.com/?U4A1356CB
Speaking of scary...
"'Something needed to happen,' [Senator Trent] Lott's statement said.
'Michael Brown has been acting like a private instead of a general. When
you're in the middle of a disaster, you can't stop to check the legal
niceties or to review FEMA regulations before deciding to help
Mississippians knocked flat on their backs.'"
Trent Lott and me agree on something? Okay, the world is upside down...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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| User: "Jim07D5" |
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11 Sep 2005 03:14:28 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> said:
<...>
"'Something needed to happen,' [Senator Trent] Lott's statement said.
'Michael Brown has been acting like a private instead of a general. When
you're in the middle of a disaster, you can't stop to check the legal
niceties or to review FEMA regulations before deciding to help
Mississippians knocked flat on their backs.'"
Trent Lott and me agree on something? Okay, the world is upside down...
<...>
Lott's statement doesn't really criticize Brown or those who placed
him. It says he was hamstrung by the laws and regulations. (compare
Chertoff saying Brown "did everything he could do" as Brown was being
pulled out).
What these statements really prepare for is federal legislation that
will enable unilaterally declared federal martial law (taking over
state and local agencies) in emergencies deemed by the administration
to be potentially embarrassing to them, so that the laws and
regulations will *still* not be proactively improved; they will just
be ignorable. This legislation will *not* bring about new planning and
will *not* incur new expenditures (taxes) other than those of benefit
to the Administration's main agenda of expanding the US empire for the
benefit of its rich backers.
Then, the first time it is needed, we will find that this legislation
was inadequate.
--- Jim07D5
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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12 Sep 2005 07:05:18 AM |
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Jim07D5 <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote in
news:np29i116v6s2ouu3e3njdecsllov0iu1e8@4ax.com:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> said:
<...>
"'Something needed to happen,' [Senator Trent] Lott's statement said.
'Michael Brown has been acting like a private instead of a general.
When
you're in the middle of a disaster, you can't stop to check the legal
niceties or to review FEMA regulations before deciding to help
Mississippians knocked flat on their backs.'"
Trent Lott and me agree on something? Okay, the world is upside
down...
<...>
Lott's statement doesn't really criticize Brown or those who placed
him. It says he was hamstrung by the laws and regulations. (compare
Chertoff saying Brown "did everything he could do" as Brown was being
pulled out).
What these statements really prepare for is federal legislation that
will enable unilaterally declared federal martial law (taking over
state and local agencies) in emergencies deemed by the administration
to be potentially embarrassing to them, so that the laws and
regulations will *still* not be proactively improved; they will just
be ignorable. This legislation will *not* bring about new planning and
will *not* incur new expenditures (taxes) other than those of benefit
to the Administration's main agenda of expanding the US empire for the
benefit of its rich backers.
Then, the first time it is needed, we will find that this legislation
was inadequate.
One of the criticisms of president Bush coming from the left is that he
did not overstep his constitutional authority and act against the wishes
of the governor of Louisiana. So it would seem that your proposed
legislation should have bipartisan support.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "Dale" |
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10 Sep 2005 08:04:55 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:9p-dnU4orKrRwr7eRVn-vQ@megapath.net...
"One prominent African-American supporter of Mr. Bush who is close to Karl
Rove, the White House political chief, said the president did not go into
the heart of New Orleans and meet with black victims on his first trip
there, last Friday, because he knew that White House officials were
'scared to death' of the reaction.
Well, to be fair, the Secret Service might have had something to say about
sending the President into a place where he might be shot.
"'Something needed to happen,' [Senator Trent] Lott's statement said.
'Michael Brown has been acting like a private instead of a general. When
you're in the middle of a disaster, you can't stop to check the legal
niceties or to review FEMA regulations before deciding to help
Mississippians knocked flat on their backs.'"
Trent Lott and me agree on something? Okay, the world is upside down...
Yeah, but are you getting a fabulous new mansion?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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10 Sep 2005 08:59:56 PM |
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In <XoLUe.1891$zq6.1639@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>, "Dale"
<dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:9p-dnU4orKrRwr7eRVn-vQ@megapath.net...
"One prominent African-American supporter of Mr. Bush who is close to
Karl Rove, the White House political chief, said the president did not
go into the heart of New Orleans and meet with black victims on his
first trip there, last Friday, because he knew that White House
officials were 'scared to death' of the reaction.
Well, to be fair, the Secret Service might have had something to say about
sending the President into a place where he might be shot.
Rate he's going, that means he'll have to spend the rest of his life in a
hole in Crawford.
"'Something needed to happen,' [Senator Trent] Lott's statement said.
'Michael Brown has been acting like a private instead of a general. When
you're in the middle of a disaster, you can't stop to check the legal
niceties or to review FEMA regulations before deciding to help
Mississippians knocked flat on their backs.'"
Trent Lott and me agree on something? Okay, the world is upside down...
Yeah, but are you getting a fabulous new mansion?
And at taxpayer expense what do you bet?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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| User: "Panama Floyd" |
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10 Sep 2005 06:02:22 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
"One prominent African-American supporter of Mr. Bush who is close to Karl
Rove, the White House political chief, said the president did not go into
the heart of New Orleans and meet with black victims on his first trip
there, last Friday, because he knew that White House officials were
'scared to death' of the reaction.
"'If I'm Karl, do I want the visual of black people hollering at the
president as if we're living in Rwanda?' said the supporter, who spoke
only anonymously because he did not want to antagonize Mr. Rove."
I often feel sorry for the Secret Service. I wonder how they're
handling the stress of guarding the most hated man on Earth.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
http://nytimes.com/2005/09/10/national/nationalspecial/10crisis.html?ei=5094&en=5e194c087578e640&hp=&ex=1126411200&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print
http://makeashorterlink.com/?U4A1356CB
Speaking of scary...
"'Something needed to happen,' [Senator Trent] Lott's statement said.
'Michael Brown has been acting like a private instead of a general. When
you're in the middle of a disaster, you can't stop to check the legal
niceties or to review FEMA regulations before deciding to help
Mississippians knocked flat on their backs.'"
Trent Lott and me agree on something? Okay, the world is upside down...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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| User: "duke" |
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11 Sep 2005 07:59:59 AM |
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On 10 Sep 2005 16:02:22 -0700, "Panama Floyd" <panamaflyd@aol.com> wrote:
I often feel sorry for the Secret Service. I wonder how they're
handling the stress of guarding the most hated man on Earth.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
They love their job, panama.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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11 Sep 2005 06:58:01 PM |
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Okay, *now I get it.
Bush is now quite willing to turn into FDR and LBJ rolled into one and
spend $2 billion *per *day.
For one thing, the Army Corp of Engineers notified FEMA on Monday that the
levies were breaking. It has nothing to do with "anticipation." They were
told it was *happening.
Also, for all the apologist yapping about Blanco, she not only requested
help in writing on Friday, she spoke to Bush *himself on Sunday and
Wednesday asking for help. The response of the administration was to send
her paperwork. They were trying to force her to give up control and
federalize the operation. The Party has been wanting to do something about
that nasty old Posse Comitatus act for a while now.
Despite my aversion to conspiracy thinking, I have to say, the more I
read, the more I wonder if the foot dragging by FEMA wasn't in some part
a way of trying to force Blanco's hand...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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| User: "JTEM" |
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11 Sep 2005 11:12:52 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote
Despite my aversion to conspiracy thinking, I have to say,
the more I read, the more I wonder if the foot dragging
by FEMA wasn't in some part a way of trying to force
Blanco's hand...
We're living in an America were the President of the United
States invaded a country on the weight of forged documents,
bogus intel & revenge for a terrorist attack planned by a close
family friend of his.
Quite frankly, there is no longer any such thing as a "Kooky
conspiracy theory."
"Ivory Soap is made by devil worshippers" is down right
reasonable compared to what we have witnessed in the
days since November of 2000.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Bush running scared... part 2 |
12 Sep 2005 03:33:29 AM |
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-- "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:G9adncIfnOpAYLneRVn-hw@comcast.com...
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote
Despite my aversion to conspiracy thinking, I have to say,
the more I read, the more I wonder if the foot dragging
by FEMA wasn't in some part a way of trying to force
Blanco's hand...
We're living in an America were the President of the United
States invaded a country on the weight of forged documents,
bogus intel & revenge for a terrorist attack planned by a close
family friend of his.
Quite frankly, there is no longer any such thing as a "Kooky
conspiracy theory."
"Ivory Soap is made by devil worshippers" is down right
reasonable compared to what we have witnessed in the
days since November of 2000.
It's been obvious for a long time that Bush never intended
to capture Bin Laden. The Bush family has been hand in
glove with the Bin Ladens for decades. Just another reason
for Bush to be tried for treason. One of many.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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12 Sep 2005 08:46:36 AM |
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In <G9adncIfnOpAYLneRVn-hw@comcast.com>, "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote
Despite my aversion to conspiracy thinking, I have to say, the more I
read, the more I wonder if the foot dragging by FEMA wasn't in some part
a way of trying to force Blanco's hand...
We're living in an America were the President of the United States invaded
a country on the weight of forged documents, bogus intel & revenge for a
terrorist attack planned by a close family friend of his.
Quite frankly, there is no longer any such thing as a "Kooky conspiracy
theory."
"Ivory Soap is made by devil worshippers" is down right reasonable
compared to what we have witnessed in the days since November of 2000.
That's the disturbing thing these days, the kooks are starting to sound
*reasonable.
(Even rather mild)
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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| User: "Jim07D5" |
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12 Sep 2005 10:29:49 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> said:
In <G9adncIfnOpAYLneRVn-hw@comcast.com>, "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote
Despite my aversion to conspiracy thinking, I have to say, the more I
read, the more I wonder if the foot dragging by FEMA wasn't in some part
a way of trying to force Blanco's hand...
We're living in an America were the President of the United States invaded
a country on the weight of forged documents, bogus intel & revenge for a
terrorist attack planned by a close family friend of his.
Quite frankly, there is no longer any such thing as a "Kooky conspiracy
theory."
"Ivory Soap is made by devil worshippers" is down right reasonable
compared to what we have witnessed in the days since November of 2000.
That's the disturbing thing these days, the kooks are starting to sound
*reasonable.
OK, I've hinted at conspiracy so here's my take. One way that
conspiracy theories become unreasonable and kooky is by making too
much of individual events, especially ones that involve chance. FEMA
being used to go after Blanco is too small a task to be the object of
a grand conspiracy, and is too fortuitous -- because Katrina could
have missed. Rather, the conspiracy is somewhere else, and the lack of
FEMA readiness is explained by the conspiracy.
How could the administration think it could get away with lack of FEMA
readiness? That is the basic question. Here is one answer, that is, in
a way, a conspiracy theory. The people running the administration
believe there will not be another 9/11-scale terrorist attack in the
US, so the failure to have FEMA readiness is not a problem in this
way, in their view. It won't be needed. They have terrorist attacks on
the US under control, in their view. (Although they tell us to expect
something; in case it happens.) But Katrina was not a terrorist
event. That is what tripped them up. However, they can survive this
blow, by shifting blame, running the investigation, and making it
politically expedient for all concerned to make nice. Mayor Nagin is
sounding relatively conciliatory these days. Everybody who matters
will eventually come around.
Why do they believe there will not be another 9/11-scale terrorist
attack? That is the stuff of some of the deeper conspiracy theories.
One that seems kookiest is that they carried out 9/11. The airplanes
were robotically controlled, flight 93 was shot down, etc. But that
doesn't have to be theorized. If the administration really believes
that its demonstrated willingness to destroy and disrupt Islamic
nations has made OBL's backers (eg, the Saudi oil families) get him to
lay off the US, and word of that has gotten back to the
administration, that would be enough to make the administration think
(rightly or wrongly) that there will not be another Al Caeda
9/11-scale attack in the US, so they don't need the massive FEMA and
inter-agency readiness it would call for.
The conspiracy itself is not really hidden. In a sense, there is no
conspiracy, there are just reasons that things are happening, reasons
that people can't state because to state them would give opponents
reasons to rally support. What is going on is that, in the minds of
the power elite, the end of the Cold War give both opportunity and
need for the US, as the supreme world power, to build what is in
effect a world empire based on economic globalization with the US on
top. It has to be done before the impending end of the Oil Age becomes
glaringly obvious; which could start in 10-20 years. More can be said
about this, but it is tangential to FEMA's failure so I won't waste
space here. Just to say that FEMA's failure and any collateral damage
from that is not the "aim" of a conspiracy.
--- Jim07D5
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| User: "JTEM" |
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12 Sep 2005 08:16:31 PM |
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"Jim07D5" <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote
OK, I've hinted at conspiracy so here's my take. One way
that conspiracy theories become unreasonable and kooky
is by making too much of individual events, especially
ones that involve chance.
My take is a little different, though we could both be in
agreement with our differences in the language (you say
spade, I say shovel).
For me, "Kooky" usually describes the conclusion. Usually.
The evidence is so small, or leads to so many different
conclusions, and yet it's upheld as absolute proof-positive
that Martians are stealing our missing socks from the dryer.
The second most common critical flaw, in my experience,
is bogus evidence. And this can be evidence that is purely
fictional (like made up stories), or real objects/documents
being completely misrepresented as being something they
are not.
FEMA being used to go after Blanco is too small a task
to be the object of a grand conspiracy, and is too
fortuitous -- because Katrina could have missed.
Dude, you're woefully behind on your kooky conspiracy
theories!
Do a little reading up on HAARP:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=HAARP+hurricane
Rather, the conspiracy is somewhere else, and the lack of
FEMA readiness is explained by the conspiracy.
I'd say you're *Real* *Close* here. It's only my opinion, but
there is a genuine "kooky conspiracy" that you're revealing,
and it's not how they delt with the hurricane...
How could the administration think it could get away with
lack of FEMA readiness?
Here's the real "kooky conspiracy."
The Bush administration announced way back in 2001 that
it was effectively taking FEMA out of the disaster-response
business, and leaving that job to the states.
Bush's first head of FEMA even testified to same, before a
congressional panel:
http://tinyurl.com/dybxd
Is this being reported? Is this the focus? Is anyone looking
at the consequences of a POLICY DECISION made by
Bush himself, and debating the results?
What I'm saying is that there is unquestionably a conspiracy
here. FEMA did exactly as Bush wanted it to do, and as
his administration has been saying it would do for four solid
years now, and nobody is allowed to go on TV and even
state this.
Disagreement isn't allowed. Nope. How you can disagree
with something that nobody is allowed to know?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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12 Sep 2005 11:48:35 AM |
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Jim07D5 <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote in
news:hc5bi11e12m6fc7fruafnfangmm1hkud53@4ax.com:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> said:
In <G9adncIfnOpAYLneRVn-hw@comcast.com>, "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote
Despite my aversion to conspiracy thinking, I have to say, the more
I read, the more I wonder if the foot dragging by FEMA wasn't in
some part a way of trying to force Blanco's hand...
We're living in an America were the President of the United States
invaded a country on the weight of forged documents, bogus intel &
revenge for a terrorist attack planned by a close family friend of
his.
Quite frankly, there is no longer any such thing as a "Kooky
conspiracy theory."
"Ivory Soap is made by devil worshippers" is down right reasonable
compared to what we have witnessed in the days since November of
2000.
That's the disturbing thing these days, the kooks are starting to
sound *reasonable.
OK, I've hinted at conspiracy so here's my take. One way that
conspiracy theories become unreasonable and kooky is by making too
much of individual events, especially ones that involve chance. FEMA
being used to go after Blanco is too small a task to be the object of
a grand conspiracy, and is too fortuitous -- because Katrina could
have missed. Rather, the conspiracy is somewhere else, and the lack of
FEMA readiness is explained by the conspiracy.
How could the administration think it could get away with lack of FEMA
readiness? That is the basic question. Here is one answer, that is, in
a way, a conspiracy theory. The people running the administration
believe there will not be another 9/11-scale terrorist attack in the
US, so the failure to have FEMA readiness is not a problem in this
way, in their view. It won't be needed. They have terrorist attacks on
the US under control, in their view. (Although they tell us to expect
something; in case it happens.) But Katrina was not a terrorist
event. That is what tripped them up. However, they can survive this
blow, by shifting blame, running the investigation, and making it
politically expedient for all concerned to make nice. Mayor Nagin is
sounding relatively conciliatory these days. Everybody who matters
will eventually come around.
Why do they believe there will not be another 9/11-scale terrorist
attack? That is the stuff of some of the deeper conspiracy theories.
One that seems kookiest is that they carried out 9/11. The airplanes
were robotically controlled, flight 93 was shot down, etc. But that
doesn't have to be theorized. If the administration really believes
that its demonstrated willingness to destroy and disrupt Islamic
nations has made OBL's backers (eg, the Saudi oil families) get him to
lay off the US, and word of that has gotten back to the
administration, that would be enough to make the administration think
(rightly or wrongly) that there will not be another Al Caeda
9/11-scale attack in the US, so they don't need the massive FEMA and
inter-agency readiness it would call for.
The conspiracy itself is not really hidden. In a sense, there is no
conspiracy, there are just reasons that things are happening, reasons
that people can't state because to state them would give opponents
reasons to rally support. What is going on is that, in the minds of
the power elite, the end of the Cold War give both opportunity and
need for the US, as the supreme world power, to build what is in
effect a world empire based on economic globalization with the US on
top. It has to be done before the impending end of the Oil Age becomes
glaringly obvious; which could start in 10-20 years. More can be said
about this, but it is tangential to FEMA's failure so I won't waste
space here. Just to say that FEMA's failure and any collateral damage
from that is not the "aim" of a conspiracy.
--- Jim07D5
You may be onto something, Jim. I suggest you flesh out your theory and
submit it to:
http://www.paranoia.com
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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11 Sep 2005 07:00:05 PM |
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By the way, forgot to include this in my post. Anybody who's interested in
reading the Times-Picayune can get PDF versions of the print edition
(which started arriving again today though it's pretty thin) over here:
http://www.nola.com/hurricane/katrina/pdf.ssf
Unfortunately, each page is a separate PDF file but they're not terribly
big downloads...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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| User: "duke" |
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10 Sep 2005 05:55:23 PM |
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On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:34:01 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster>
wrote:
"One prominent African-American supporter of Mr. Bush who is close to Karl
Rove, the White House political chief, said the president did not go into
the heart of New Orleans and meet with black victims on his first trip
there, last Friday, because he knew that White House officials were
'scared to death' of the reaction.
"'If I'm Karl, do I want the visual of black people hollering at the
president as if we're living in Rwanda?' said the supporter, who spoke
only anonymously because he did not want to antagonize Mr. Rove."
Actually bilbo, they were also shooting at doctors, nurses, fireman, police and
their rescuers..
I wouldn't want to go in there either.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Witziges Rätsel" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Bush running scared... |
10 Sep 2005 06:17:55 PM |
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"One prominent African-American supporter of Mr. Bush who is close to Karl
Rove, the White House political chief, said the president did not go into
the heart of New Orleans and meet with black victims on his first trip
there, last Friday, because he knew that White House officials were
'scared to death' of the reaction.
"'If I'm Karl, do I want the visual of black people hollering at the
president as if we're living in Rwanda?' said the supporter, who spoke
only anonymously because he did not want to antagonize Mr. Rove."
Actually bilbo, they were also shooting at doctors, nurses, fireman,
police and
their rescuers..
I wouldn't want to go in there either.
Yeah, but you ain't the POTUS. You ain't our leader, the uniter, our
Commander in Chief, the Capo di Tutti Capi of the Free World. He
showed his colors during Nam and he's showing them now. Will voters
finally see the cowering dimwit that he is?
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| User: "Marc Fleury" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Bush running scared... |
10 Sep 2005 07:38:31 PM |
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"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote
Will voters finally see the cowering dimwit that he is?
No.
--
Marc.
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| User: "Uncle Buck" |
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11 Sep 2005 12:19:32 AM |
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On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:38:31 GMT, Marc Fleury
<marcfleury@sympatico.ca> wrote:
"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote
Will voters finally see the cowering dimwit that he is?
No.
I agree. That would require the ability to see one's own mistakes.
His voters are just like him - even if they _could_ somehow
miraculously see the error of their ways, they'd hog-tie Hell before
ever _admitting_ to them.
--
L8r,
Uncle Buck
_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=
Those first to step up and say,
"Now is not the time for placing blame"
...
...are quite often to blame....
_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=
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| User: "Kate " |
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10 Sep 2005 10:35:02 PM |
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On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 22:19:32 -0700, Uncle Buck
<UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:38:31 GMT, Marc Fleury
<marcfleury@sympatico.ca> wrote:
"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote
Will voters finally see the cowering dimwit that he is?
No.
I agree. That would require the ability to see one's own mistakes.
His voters are just like him - even if they _could_ somehow
miraculously see the error of their ways, they'd hog-tie Hell before
ever _admitting_ to them.
I dunno -it's not like we have an enemy this time. What are we gonna
stay with Bush because we are still fighting the hurricane?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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11 Sep 2005 09:36:28 AM |
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In <435ea54b.278130484@news-west.newscene.com>, (Kate
) wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 22:19:32 -0700, Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:38:31 GMT, Marc Fleury <marcfleury@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote
Will voters finally see the cowering dimwit that he is?
No.
I agree. That would require the ability to see one's own mistakes. His
voters are just like him - even if they _could_ somehow miraculously see
the error of their ways, they'd hog-tie Hell before ever _admitting_ to
them.
I dunno -it's not like we have an enemy this time. What are we gonna stay
with Bush because we are still fighting the hurricane?
Heh. What was it on The Daily Show? Bush is going to build a dam in
Arkansas because we have to fight the water there so we don't have to
fight the water here?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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| User: "Uncle Buck" |
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11 Sep 2005 02:56:36 PM |
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On 10 Sep 2005 22:35:02 -0500, (Kate ) wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 22:19:32 -0700, Uncle Buck
<UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:38:31 GMT, Marc Fleury
<marcfleury@sympatico.ca> wrote:
"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote
Will voters finally see the cowering dimwit that he is?
No.
I agree. That would require the ability to see one's own mistakes.
His voters are just like him - even if they _could_ somehow
miraculously see the error of their ways, they'd hog-tie Hell before
ever _admitting_ to them.
I dunno -it's not like we have an enemy this time. What are we gonna
stay with Bush because we are still fighting the hurricane?
Haven't you heard? Our enemies are "looters", now. And that nasty,
awful, God-hating local government. The Democrats and other libruls
who caused this entire catastrophe - _they_ are the "enemies".
At least, that's the spin I'm hearing, in more or less words.
--
L8r,
Uncle Buck
_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=
Those first to step up and say,
"Now is not the time for placing blame"
...
...are quite often to blame....
_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Bush running scared... |
11 Sep 2005 02:12:14 PM |
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Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in
news:mt29i1djfvb22m0090gslkmfok6u7mmbov@4ax.com:
On 10 Sep 2005 22:35:02 -0500, (Kate ) wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 22:19:32 -0700, Uncle Buck
<UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:38:31 GMT, Marc Fleury
<marcfleury@sympatico.ca> wrote:
"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote
Will voters finally see the cowering dimwit that he is?
No.
I agree. That would require the ability to see one's own mistakes.
His voters are just like him - even if they _could_ somehow
miraculously see the error of their ways, they'd hog-tie Hell before
ever _admitting_ to them.
I dunno -it's not like we have an enemy this time. What are we gonna
stay with Bush because we are still fighting the hurricane?
Haven't you heard? Our enemies are "looters", now. And that nasty,
awful, God-hating local government. The Democrats and other libruls
who caused this entire catastrophe - _they_ are the "enemies".
At least, that's the spin I'm hearing, in more or less words.
The Democrats are their own worst enemies. They can't point enough
fingers fast enough to deflect their own responsibility.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "Uncle Buck" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Bush running scared... |
11 Sep 2005 05:42:22 PM |
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On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 19:12:14 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in
news:mt29i1djfvb22m0090gslkmfok6u7mmbov@4ax.com:
On 10 Sep 2005 22:35:02 -0500, (Kate ) wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 22:19:32 -0700, Uncle Buck
<UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:38:31 GMT, Marc Fleury
<marcfleury@sympatico.ca> wrote:
"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote
Will voters finally see the cowering dimwit that he is?
No.
I agree. That would require the ability to see one's own mistakes.
His voters are just like him - even if they _could_ somehow
miraculously see the error of their ways, they'd hog-tie Hell before
ever _admitting_ to them.
I dunno -it's not like we have an enemy this time. What are we gonna
stay with Bush because we are still fighting the hurricane?
Haven't you heard? Our enemies are "looters", now. And that nasty,
awful, God-hating local government. The Democrats and other libruls
who caused this entire catastrophe - _they_ are the "enemies".
At least, that's the spin I'm hearing, in more or less words.
The Democrats are their own worst enemies. They can't point enough
fingers fast enough to deflect their own responsibility.
If you were any quicker to provide a perfect example, you would have
broken the light-speed barrier. :-)
--
L8r,
Uncle Buck
_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=
Those first to step up and say,
"Now is not the time for placing blame"
...
...are quite often to blame....
_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Bush running scared... |
11 Sep 2005 05:26:22 PM |
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Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in
news:fkc9i159j8n250pgbvsmtmege9j22ojuph@4ax.com:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 19:12:14 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in
news:mt29i1djfvb22m0090gslkmfok6u7mmbov@4ax.com:
On 10 Sep 2005 22:35:02 -0500, (Kate ) wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 22:19:32 -0700, Uncle Buck
<UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:38:31 GMT, Marc Fleury
<marcfleury@sympatico.ca> wrote:
"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote
Will voters finally see the cowering dimwit that he is?
No.
I agree. That would require the ability to see one's own mistakes.
His voters are just like him - even if they _could_ somehow
miraculously see the error of their ways, they'd hog-tie Hell
before
ever _admitting_ to them.
I dunno -it's not like we have an enemy this time. What are we
gonna
stay with Bush because we are still fighting the hurricane?
Haven't you heard? Our enemies are "looters", now. And that nasty,
awful, God-hating local government. The Democrats and other libruls
who caused this entire catastrophe - _they_ are the "enemies".
At least, that's the spin I'm hearing, in more or less words.
The Democrats are their own worst enemies. They can't point enough
fingers fast enough to deflect their own responsibility.
If you were any quicker to provide a perfect example, you would have
broken the light-speed barrier. :-)
That's me, Fast Freddie! :-)
But seriously, did you happen to catch the Sunday morning Talking Heads?
Nagin rolled over on Blanco again on Meet the Press and Mary Landrieu
just about had apoplexy when Chris Wallace asked her some pointed
questions.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Bush running scared... |
10 Sep 2005 07:01:15 PM |
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"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote in
news:b2fc9$432368ff$41e52fde$9008@DIALUPUSA.NET:
"One prominent African-American supporter of Mr. Bush who is close to
Karl Rove, the White House political chief, said the president did
not go into the heart of New Orleans and meet with black victims on
his first trip there, last Friday, because he knew that White House
officials were 'scared to death' of the reaction.
"'If I'm Karl, do I want the visual of black people hollering at the
president as if we're living in Rwanda?' said the supporter, who
spoke only anonymously because he did not want to antagonize Mr.
Rove."
Actually bilbo, they were also shooting at doctors, nurses, fireman,
police and
their rescuers..
I wouldn't want to go in there either.
Yeah, but you ain't the POTUS. You ain't our leader, the
uniter, our
Commander in Chief, the Capo di Tutti Capi of the Free World. He
showed his colors during Nam and he's showing them now. Will
voters finally see the cowering dimwit that he is?
Ah, there the problem, you think he's supposed to be the Capo di Capi,
to give orders to state governors and city mayors, and he's only the
President.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Bush running scared... |
11 Sep 2005 07:56:50 AM |
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On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:17:55 -0400, "Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote:
Yeah, but you ain't the POTUS. You ain't our leader, the uniter, our
Commander in Chief, the Capo di Tutti Capi of the Free World. He
showed his colors during Nam and he's showing them now. Will voters
finally see the cowering dimwit that he is?
We have a very large organization whose job it is to protect the POTUS.
You would have him exposed to those conditions?
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Witziges Rätsel" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Bush running scared... |
11 Sep 2005 08:54:49 AM |
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Yeah, but you ain't the POTUS. You ain't our leader, the uniter,
our Commander in Chief, the Capo di Tutti Capi of the Free
World. He showed his colors during Nam and he's showing them now.
Will voters finally see the cowering dimwit that he is?
We have a very large organization whose job it is to protect the POTUS.
You would have him exposed to those conditions?
Bring 'em on! (Where's his bravado now?)
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Bush running scared... |
10 Sep 2005 07:50:56 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Witziges Rätsel
(zer@roer.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
"One prominent African-American supporter of Mr. Bush who is close to
Karl Rove, the White House political chief, said the president did
not go into the heart of New Orleans and meet with black victims on
his first trip there, last Friday, because he knew that White House
officials were 'scared to death' of the reaction.
"'If I'm Karl, do I want the visual of black people hollering at the
president as if we're living in Rwanda?' said the supporter, who
spoke only anonymously because he did not want to antagonize Mr.
Rove."
Actually bilbo, they were also shooting at doctors, nurses, fireman,
police and
their rescuers..
I wouldn't want to go in there either.
Yeah, but you ain't the POTUS. You ain't our leader, the
uniter, our
Commander in Chief, the Capo di Tutti Capi of the Free World. He
showed his colors during Nam and he's showing them now. Will
voters finally see the cowering dimwit that he is?
Not as long as he keeps leading them in prayer.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/
Plonked by Raytard
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| User: "Larry Heath" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Bush running scared... |
10 Sep 2005 11:06:50 PM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96CDB5A5A306Fvicman@216.196.97.136...
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Witziges Rätsel
(zer@roer.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
"One prominent African-American supporter of Mr. Bush who is close to
Karl Rove, the White House political chief, said the president did
not go into the heart of New Orleans and meet with black victims on
his first trip there, last Friday, because he knew that White House
officials were 'scared to death' of the reaction.
"'If I'm Karl, do I want the visual of black people hollering at the
president as if we're living in Rwanda?' said the supporter, who
spoke only anonymously because he did not want to antagonize Mr.
Rove."
Actually bilbo, they were also shooting at doctors, nurses, fireman,
police and
their rescuers..
I wouldn't want to go in there either.
Yeah, but you ain't the POTUS. You ain't our leader, the
uniter, our
Commander in Chief, the Capo di Tutti Capi of the Free World. He
showed his colors during Nam and he's showing them now. Will
voters finally see the cowering dimwit that he is?
Not as long as he keeps leading them in prayer.
"There is no greater fool, than he that seeks wisdom, on his knees, with his
eyes closed"
I wish I knew from where this quote originated, so as to credit the person,
but sadly I do not.
Later Larry
aa # 2216
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| User: "WCB" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Bush running scared... |
11 Sep 2005 07:58:37 AM |
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Larry Heath wrote:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96CDB5A5A306Fvicman@216.196.97.136...
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Witziges Rätsel
(zer@roer.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
"One prominent African-American supporter of Mr. Bush who is close to
Karl Rove, the White House political chief, said the president did
not go into the heart of New Orleans and meet with black victims on
his first trip there, last Friday, because he knew that White House
officials were 'scared to death' of the reaction.
"'If I'm Karl, do I want the visual of black people hollering at the
president as if we're living in Rwanda?' said the supporter, who
spoke only anonymously because he did not want to antagonize Mr.
Rove."
Actually bilbo, they were also shooting at doctors, nurses, fireman,
police and
their rescuers..
I wouldn't want to go in there either.
Yeah, but you ain't the POTUS. You ain't our leader, the
uniter, our
Commander in Chief, the Capo di Tutti Capi of the Free World. He
showed his colors during Nam and he's showing them now. Will
voters finally see the cowering dimwit that he is?
Not as long as he keeps leading them in prayer.
"There is no greater fool, than he that seeks wisdom, on his knees, with
his eyes closed"
I wish I knew from where this quote originated, so as to credit the
person, but sadly I do not.
Ask in alt.quotations.
Sounds like Ingersoll to me.
--
"Today the official spokesman for the Foxes
agreed an investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed."
Cheerful Charlie
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