On 16 Aug 2006 06:49:20 -0700,

Kate wrote:

On 15 Aug 2006 14:28:56 -0700,

raven1 wrote:

On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 16:21:09 -0400,

What do you think of the politicians who first backed the war on Iraq
then changed their minds when they learned the truth?

Are they wafflers?

Or bold enough to represent us?

One of the worst of the many faults of the Bush Administration is
their absolute inability to admit they were wrong about *anything*.
Owning up to making a mistake and working to correct it is no vice, in
politics or otherwise.

Vices, no.

Holding the potential for political suicide, yes.

The practice had turned to be work to correct,
but never admit - and it's been that way far
longer than the Bush administration. You're
welcome to present a list of mistakes Clinton,
Bush '41 or Reagan admitted to while in office.

Clinton admitted that messing around with Monica was a mistake

After some small events involving courtrooms. Damage control.

It was long after all those events.

Considering that republicans held
it up as a sign that Clinton and democrats were weak, I hardly would
consider it damage control.

and
that signing the bill that allowed corporations to own too many media
outlets was a mistake.

A bit of pandering that allowed him to reward his corporate
supporters and then later woo the people he screwed in
the process.

Wooing is useless if you have nothing to win by it. Sorry, whether you
like it or not, you were proved wrong.

I don't know about Reagan. I don't recall any he admitted to. But
then again, he was a republican.

I've noticed that this county's stupid contigent seem to have more of
a problem with anyone admitting any mistake, as the usual propaganda
that the repubs put out is pointing to a mistake honestly admitted as
supposedly some kind of proof that the entity or person was dishonest.
Fred in particular falls for that every time.

Hopefully you aren't that immature.

Junior High debate team level loaded language noted, Ms. "Other
People Are Immature". You cannot admit that if Bush and Cheney
admitted to any wrongdoing, you'd be first in line leading the howling
mob to the impeachment hearings - or the lynching. Washington's
political culture stopped rewarding contrition generations ago, that's
reality.

Bush has committed mistake after mistake and even outright completely
contradicted himself. But he has also publically stated that he can't
think of a single thing he has done wrong.

Maybe if you could screw
up enough courage to be hones, you could stand up and tell him you
know he was wrong.

Lame debate comment noted, not that I really expected any different
from you. Congrats.

On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:20:45 -0400,

On 15 Aug 2006 19:54:02 -0500,

On 15 Aug 2006 14:28:56 -0700,

raven1 wrote:

On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 16:21:09 -0400,

What do you think of the politicians who first backed the war on Iraq
then changed their minds when they learned the truth?

Are they wafflers?

Or bold enough to represent us?

One of the worst of the many faults of the Bush Administration is
their absolute inability to admit they were wrong about *anything*.
Owning up to making a mistake and working to correct it is no vice, in
politics or otherwise.

Vices, no.

Holding the potential for political suicide, yes.

The practice had turned to be work to correct,
but never admit - and it's been that way far
longer than the Bush administration. You're
welcome to present a list of mistakes Clinton,
Bush '41 or Reagan admitted to while in office.

Clinton admitted that messing around with Monica was a mistake and
that signing the bill that allowed corporations to own too many media
outlets was a mistake.

I don't know about Reagan. I don't recall any he admitted to. But
then again, he was a republican.

I've noticed that this county's stupid contigent seem to have more of
a problem with anyone admitting any mistake, as the usual propaganda
that the repubs put out is pointing to a mistake honestly admitted as
supposedly some kind of proof that the entity or person was dishonest.
Fred in particular falls for that every time.

Hopefully you aren't that immature.

I caught on to it recently, and during a talk w/coworker, he said a
politician cannot change his mind. I insisted that the inability to
change makes someone dysfunctional and people should respect those who
can change. Hence this post, an informal poll.
Sunyata

Mature people admit their mistakes and go to fix them. I've heard on
polls that republicans feel that's a really bad thing and assume that
admitting any mistake means you aren't a leader. Obviously they have
some bad ideas about what makes a good leader. People who can't admit
they were wrong, walk off cliffs - pretty much like Bush and Nixon
have with their wars. The big problem is, they are pushing our men
off the cliff instead of themselves.

Pretty nasty for the country to have a president this incredibly bad
at it. He's all swagger and hat and no man in him.

On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:20:45 -0400,

On 15 Aug 2006 19:54:02 -0500,

On 15 Aug 2006 14:28:56 -0700,

raven1 wrote:

On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 16:21:09 -0400,

What do you think of the politicians who first backed the war on Iraq
then changed their minds when they learned the truth?

Are they wafflers?

Or bold enough to represent us?

One of the worst of the many faults of the Bush Administration is
their absolute inability to admit they were wrong about *anything*.
Owning up to making a mistake and working to correct it is no vice, in
politics or otherwise.

Vices, no.

Holding the potential for political suicide, yes.

The practice had turned to be work to correct,
but never admit - and it's been that way far
longer than the Bush administration. You're
welcome to present a list of mistakes Clinton,
Bush '41 or Reagan admitted to while in office.

Clinton admitted that messing around with Monica was a mistake and
that signing the bill that allowed corporations to own too many media
outlets was a mistake.

I don't know about Reagan. I don't recall any he admitted to. But
then again, he was a republican.

I've noticed that this county's stupid contigent seem to have more of
a problem with anyone admitting any mistake, as the usual propaganda
that the repubs put out is pointing to a mistake honestly admitted as
supposedly some kind of proof that the entity or person was dishonest.
Fred in particular falls for that every time.

Hopefully you aren't that immature.

I caught on to it recently, and during a talk w/coworker, he said a
politician cannot change his mind. I insisted that the inability to
change makes someone dysfunctional and people should respect those who
can change. Hence this post, an informal poll.
Sunyata

Mature people admit their mistakes and go to fix them. I've heard on
polls that republicans feel that's a really bad thing and assume that
admitting any mistake means you aren't a leader. Obviously they have
some bad ideas about what makes a good leader. People who can't admit
they were wrong, walk off cliffs - pretty much like Bush and Nixon
have with their wars. The big problem is, they are pushing our men
off the cliff instead of themselves.

Pretty nasty for the country to have a president this incredibly bad
at it. He's all swagger and hat and no man in him.