Agreed. But I think the previous poster's point was that it was
Hillary Clinton and other leading Democrats who quoted stuff like that.
They can't weasle out of their part of the responsibility for the
present mess in Iraq.

Bill wrote:

"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:dford3-1132337030.448739.52730@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

maff wrote:

Clinton: The big mistake of the Iraq war
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/article327773.ece

Ex-President leads the critics

By Rupert Cornwell in Washington
Published: 18 November 2005

The dam has burst. Former president Bill Clinton's verdict that the war
in Iraq was "a big mistake" is echoing around the world.

The unease, the misgivings, and downright opposition can be contained
no longer. From Senate Republicans, to one of the most influential
Democratic lawmakers on Capitol Hill yesterday, the message has been
the same. The Iraq war has been a disaster, and the sooner American
troops leave the better. The alarm was sounded on Capitol Hill on
Tuesday when Senate Republicans and Democrats joined forces to demand
the White House explain every three months how it intends to "complete
the mission" in Iraq.

Clinton
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/c382e02d8fd74242

2002 Hillary Clinton: Saddam gave "sanctuary to... Al Qaeda"

October 10, 2002 Floor Speech of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton
on S.J. Res. 45, A Resolution to Authorize the Use of
United States Armed Forces Against Iraq
http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html
In the four years since the inspectors left,
intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has
worked to rebuild his chemical and biological
weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and
his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort,
and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda
members, though there is apparently no evidence of
his involvement in the terrible events of September
11, 2001.

There is no significant substantiated EVIDENCE for any of your claims
except your admission there is no evidence that Iraq was in any way envilved
in the Sept. 11 attacks in the United States.

In short there was no justification for expending 2100 American lives,
15,000
American wounded and many with perminent disabilities. There was NO
justification
for wasting $200 BILLION of tax payer money on an unnecessary war that has
still
not been successfully concluded.

Agreed. But I think the previous poster's point was that it was
Hillary Clinton and other leading Democrats who quoted stuff like that.
They can't weasle out of their part of the responsibility for the
present mess in Iraq.

Bill wrote:

"david ford" <

2002 Hillary Clinton: Saddam gave "sanctuary to... Al Qaeda"

October 10, 2002 Floor Speech of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton
on S.J. Res. 45, A Resolution to Authorize the Use of
United States Armed Forces Against Iraq
http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html
In the four years since the inspectors left,
intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has
worked to rebuild his chemical and biological
weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and
his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort,
and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda
members, though there is apparently no evidence of
his involvement in the terrible events of September
11, 2001.

There is no significant substantiated EVIDENCE for any of your claims

Is there any "significant substantiated EVIDENCE for any of" Clinton's
above "claims"?

Stephen F. Hayes, "The Connection"
7 June 2004
Not so long ago, the ties between Iraq and al Qaeda were conventional
wisdom. The conventional wisdom was right.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/152lndzv.asp

Stephen F. Hayes, "Saddam's Nukes?"
Does Carl Levin know something the rest of us don't?
11/08/2005
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/331qbked.asp

Hayes wrote _The Connection: How al Qaeda's Collaboration with Saddam
Hussein has Endangered America_.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060746734/103-8921152-0278226?v=glance&n=283155&n=507846&s=books&v=glance

except your admission there is no evidence that Iraq was in any way envilved
in the Sept. 11 attacks in the United States.

Where is this alleged "admission" of mine?

In short there was no justification for expending 2100 American lives,
15,000
American wounded and many with perminent disabilities. There was NO
justification
for wasting $200 BILLION of tax payer money on an unnecessary war that has
still
not been successfully concluded.

What are some other U.S. war efforts you consider to have been
"unnecessary" wagings of war?

Some options for your answer include U.S. war efforts in:
War of 1812

WWI

WWII

Korean War
Vietnam War

the war in Afghanistan to overthrow the terrorist-harboring Taliban

"Jericho" <wasteofcarbon@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1132348264.945250.128930@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:

There is alot of weight being placed behind the concept that many
democrats "voted for the war". Here's where you need to check your
facts. None of them voted for a war. What they voted for was to give
Alfred E Bush the power to go to war so that he could use the idea of
that power to force Hussein to allow weapons inspectors in. They
passed along limited intelligence to trick Congress into allowing bush
that power (don't believe that Congress had the same intelligence as
the White House because that is a White House LIE). At the time bush
declared war, weapons inspectors had been allowed in and had been
discovering nothing. Bush took it the final step and declared war.

Any questions?

Yes, one question. Why do you ignore all the stuff that we *did* find
after the invasion was completed?

--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"I actually think what we learned during the inspection
made Iraq a more dangerous place, potentially, than,
in fact, we thought it was even before the war." -- David Kay
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=6075