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26 Aug 2004 06:23:04 AM |
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OT: Computer Sale Advice! |
So I have this G4 Cube running OS 9.2.
40GB HDD, and usual for that kind of machine.
Having, much against my better judgment just bought a G5, do you think
it's worth flogging the Cube on eBay or similar? If so what do you
think I'd get? Enough to make it worthwhile? Or should I keep it "just
in case"?
Your thoughts welcome.
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"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: <http://www.Video2CD.com>. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
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| User: "Sean C" |
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26 Aug 2004 06:15:36 PM |
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In article <flhri0l0dnq0fj4r7kn1g7ef1173rrdinc@4ax.com>, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
So I have this G4 Cube running OS 9.2.
40GB HDD, and usual for that kind of machine.
Having, much against my better judgment just bought a G5, do you think
it's worth flogging the Cube on eBay or similar? If so what do you
think I'd get? Enough to make it worthwhile? Or should I keep it "just
in case"?
Your thoughts welcome.
Machines that can boot from OS 9 are very popular nowadays, since many
people (myself included) hate OS 10, and Apple is making only one
machine that still boots from 9, and they may be gone by now. I would
start with a high price and see what happens; you can always sell it
for less.
Personally, I am keeping my old Power Tower Pro not just as a back-up
but because it boots from 9. I wouldn't sell it for double any price
I'm likely to get for it.
Sean C
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| User: "JPG" |
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26 Aug 2004 06:46:49 AM |
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:23:04 +0100, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com>
wrote:
So I have this G4 Cube running OS 9.2.
40GB HDD, and usual for that kind of machine.
Having, much against my better judgment just bought a G5, do you think
it's worth flogging the Cube on eBay or similar? If so what do you
think I'd get? Enough to make it worthwhile? Or should I keep it "just
in case"?
Your thoughts welcome.
I've never got into this Apple vs MS debate but as far as most people's use of a
PC goes, does it do the business - ie Web browsing, email, Office, digital TV,
streaming, wireless networking etc.
Having played with one at John Lewis recently I was impressed by the looks and
quality, but I notice they still have old one-button mouse, albeit with a scroll
wheel these days - is that a handicap?
JPG
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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26 Aug 2004 07:14:41 AM |
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:46:49 +0100 in alt.atheism, JPG (JPG
<me@privacy.net>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:23:04 +0100, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com>
wrote:
So I have this G4 Cube running OS 9.2.
40GB HDD, and usual for that kind of machine.
Having, much against my better judgment just bought a G5, do you think
it's worth flogging the Cube on eBay or similar? If so what do you
think I'd get? Enough to make it worthwhile? Or should I keep it "just
in case"?
Your thoughts welcome.
I've never got into this Apple vs MS debate
Well, I think it's horses for courses. For some video things a Mac is
the only choice, as with print layout and so on. Generally I choose my
machines based on the apps I want to run, hardware support etc. Which
is why I got the G5: it's the only thing that you can run some kinds
of video processing software on: SGI import and so on.
Mind you, when I get rich I want a Silicon Graphics box. Alas it may
be a while....
but as far as most people's use of a
PC goes, does it do the business - ie Web browsing, email, Office, digital TV,
streaming, wireless networking etc.
Sure. The breadth of hardware/software you get on a PC leaves a Mac
standing, bearing in mind that whether this is important depends on
what you want to do.
Having played with one at John Lewis
Got a Microwave from them in Welwyn Garden City (a lie - cal that a
garden?! the other day. And I like their food branch, Waitrose!
recently I was impressed by the looks and
quality, but I notice they still have old one-button mouse, albeit with a scroll
wheel these days - is that a handicap?
Nah, you can plug in any USB mouse, more or less. With as may buttons
as you want.
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"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: <http://www.Video2CD.com>. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
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27 Aug 2004 01:55:48 AM |
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In article <d6jri01inue33f7k6i8njjp20pnajg3kv2@4ax.com>, JPG
<me@privacy.net> wrote:
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:23:04 +0100, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com>
wrote:
So I have this G4 Cube running OS 9.2.
40GB HDD, and usual for that kind of machine.
Having, much against my better judgment just bought a G5, do you think
it's worth flogging the Cube on eBay or similar? If so what do you
think I'd get? Enough to make it worthwhile? Or should I keep it "just
in case"?
Your thoughts welcome.
I've never got into this Apple vs MS debate but as far as most people's use
of a
PC goes, does it do the business - ie Web browsing, email, Office, digital TV,
streaming, wireless networking etc.
Having played with one at John Lewis recently I was impressed by the looks and
quality, but I notice they still have old one-button mouse, albeit with a
scroll
wheel these days - is that a handicap?
JPG
You can get a programmable two-button with scroll wheel mouse from
Logitech for $30.00 or less. The ones from Kensington have even more
buttons. If you're into Ist person shooter games like Medal of Honor a
3 button laser mouse is a necessity. Otherwise, having a programmable
mouse with different settings for different programs is a real bonus on
a Mac, but not an absolute necessity.
One of my beefs with OS 10 is that I can't program my mouse to use
individualized settings for different programs as I can with OS 9.
Apple should have fixed this shortcoming, as well as a hundred others,
with OS 10 by now. They've now gone into Microsoft mode and are
refusing to give people what they want, like the application switcher
menu, Apple menu and other cool features from OS 9. I often can't
install things without running into that "permissions needed" crap even
after fixing the permissions.
If Windows was a rip-off of the Mac, Apple has returned the favor with
OS 10.
Sean C
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| User: "Martin Crisp" |
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27 Aug 2004 02:34:35 AM |
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:55:48 +1000, Sean C wrote
(in article
<270820040255486712%redhawk@burnspammersalive.hvc.rr.com>):
You can get a programmable two-button with scroll wheel mouse from
Logitech for $30.00 or less.
And for OS X /do not/ install their software. Or at least check out
the comments at Versiontracker.com. [Then, perhaps choose USB
Overdrive]
You'll get basic scroll & right-mouse behaviour without the
software.
With the software, you'll be lucky if you can click /anything/.
Which makes uninstalling it fun, since you /must/ click on a
button...
[Bitter? Moi? Nice hardware, software that is complete crap.]
Have Fun
Martin
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| User: "Sean C" |
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27 Aug 2004 04:14:44 AM |
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In article <0001HW.BD55212B0073D843F02845B0@news.ozemail.com.au>,
Martin Crisp <Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au> wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:55:48 +1000, Sean C wrote
(in article
<270820040255486712%redhawk@burnspammersalive.hvc.rr.com>):
You can get a programmable two-button with scroll wheel mouse from
Logitech for $30.00 or less.
And for OS X /do not/ install their software. Or at least check out
the comments at Versiontracker.com. [Then, perhaps choose USB
Overdrive]
You'll get basic scroll & right-mouse behaviour without the
software.
With the software, you'll be lucky if you can click /anything/.
Which makes uninstalling it fun, since you /must/ click on a
button...
[Bitter? Moi? Nice hardware, software that is complete crap.]
Have Fun
Martin
Thanks for the warning and the advice on USB Overdrive. I didn't have
this problem with the driver I used, so I lucked out. Logitech's
software for OS X does suck mightily.
Sean C
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| User: "Martin Crisp" |
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27 Aug 2004 08:56:54 PM |
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:14:44 +1000, Sean C wrote
(in article
<270820040514446690%redhawk@burnspammersalive.hvc.rr.com>):
In article <0001HW.BD55212B0073D843F02845B0@news.ozemail.com.au>,
Martin Crisp <Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au> wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:55:48 +1000, Sean C wrote
(in article
<270820040255486712%redhawk@burnspammersalive.hvc.rr.com>):
You can get a programmable two-button with scroll wheel mouse from
Logitech for $30.00 or less.
And for OS X /do not/ install their software. Or at least check out
the comments at Versiontracker.com. [Then, perhaps choose USB
Overdrive]
You'll get basic scroll & right-mouse behaviour without the
software.
With the software, you'll be lucky if you can click /anything/.
Which makes uninstalling it fun, since you /must/ click on a
button...
[Bitter? Moi? Nice hardware, software that is complete crap.]
Have Fun
Martin
Thanks for the warning and the advice on USB Overdrive. I didn't have
this problem with the driver I used, so I lucked out. Logitech's
software for OS X does suck mightily.
I should have known I was in for trouble, just before the end of
the s/w install it asked me which Logitech keyboard I had; 'none'
wasn't an option :-/
The ReadMe also concentrated on keyboards, but did mention it was
for mice and other pointing devices too.
[/me would have hoped their install software could ask their
hardware what it was...]
Have Fun
Martin
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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26 Aug 2004 07:49:56 PM |
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:46:49 +0100 in episode
<d6jri01inue33f7k6i8njjp20pnajg3kv2@4ax.com> we saw our hero JPG
<me@privacy.net>:
Having played with one at John Lewis recently I was impressed by the looks
and quality, but I notice they still have old one-button mouse, albeit
with a scroll wheel these days - is that a handicap?
Back when I was using Macs regularly, I never thought so. Definitely the
user interface was more consistent than the systems which use two button
set ups (including the GUIs on Linux, trying to remember what the right
mouse button does *this time is a PITA here too).
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Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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are angry are touched deeply by the events of their lives
and feel strongly about them....Anger is just a demand for
change, a passionate wish for things to be different....
And, as it was for me, it may be the first expression of
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| User: "Martin Crisp" |
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26 Aug 2004 07:21:42 AM |
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:46:49 +1000, JPG wrote
(in article <d6jri01inue33f7k6i8njjp20pnajg3kv2@4ax.com>):
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:23:04 +0100, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com>
wrote:
So I have this G4 Cube running OS 9.2.
40GB HDD, and usual for that kind of machine.
Having, much against my better judgment just bought a G5, do you think
it's worth flogging the Cube on eBay or similar? If so what do you
think I'd get? Enough to make it worthwhile? Or should I keep it "just
in case"?
Your thoughts welcome.
I've never got into this Apple vs MS debate but as far as most
people's use of a PC goes, does it do the business - ie Web
browsing, email, Office, digital TV, streaming, wireless
networking etc.
I'm using a tower version of a slightly slower machine of the same
vintage. Wireless networking would require an add-on [not exactly
standard in 2001]. Digital TV likewise, I think (dunno, I'm not
into TV). DVD player on board. Web and Office, yep, not a problem.
[Office being your only likely source of malware aimed at the mac
(and executable on the mac). Oh, provided you turn off CD-ROM
autoplay. The ancient "Disinfectant" (free) will get anything else
(except macro viruses).]
It can be upgraded to the current version of OS X. [may require
more memory... Therion?] Which is what I'd advise, as OS 9 s/w is
getting harder to find.
If you need a particular Windows app and there is no Mac(/unix)
equivalent/substitute, then you can always run a Windows emulator.
Having played with one at John Lewis recently I was impressed by
the looks and quality, but I notice they still have old
one-button mouse, albeit with a scroll wheel these days - is
that a handicap?
I've never found them a handicap. I bought my first ever
multi-button mouse last week [I've owned various Macs since 1985],
on price more than the 'need' for 2 buttons. Since most software
assumes a single-button mouse, but allows for other input devices,
a snigle-button mouse isn't a handicap.
Don't think Apple make a scroll-wheel mouse.
3rd party USB devices (generally speaking) 'just work'.
Have Fun
Martin
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02 Sep 2004 12:13:05 AM |
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Martin Crisp wrote:
I've never found them a handicap. I bought my first ever
multi-button mouse last week [I've owned various Macs since 1985],
on price more than the 'need' for 2 buttons. Since most software
assumes a single-button mouse, but allows for other input devices,
a snigle-button mouse isn't a handicap.
Don't think Apple make a scroll-wheel mouse.
3rd party USB devices (generally speaking) 'just work'.
It's not a handicap but does require at least one extra key strokes and if
after about ten minutes with a scroll wheel you have to use a mouse that
does not have one, it is frustrating - and embarassing if they see you
stroking the mouse with your index finger....
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| User: "Martin Crisp" |
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02 Sep 2004 02:03:54 AM |
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On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:13:05 +1000, Mike Painter wrote
(in article <BZxZc.14724$Zd4.6189@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>):
Martin Crisp wrote:
I've never found them a handicap. I bought my first ever
multi-button mouse last week [I've owned various Macs since 1985],
on price more than the 'need' for 2 buttons. Since most software
assumes a single-button mouse, but allows for other input devices,
a snigle-button mouse isn't a handicap.
Don't think Apple make a scroll-wheel mouse.
3rd party USB devices (generally speaking) 'just work'.
It's not a handicap but does require at least one extra key strokes and if
<shrug> since I tend to need other key combinations anyway (shift,
option, command), adding control to the list isn't a huge ask :-)
after about ten minutes with a scroll wheel you have to use a mouse that
does not have one, it is frustrating - and embarassing if they see you
stroking the mouse with your index finger....
Heh, a friend has recently remarked that I seem to have become
'very fond of my "clitoris" mouse'. But I still find myself using
ctrl-left-click, and the scroll bars instead of right-mouse and
scroll wheel. And I've found a few apps that don't support the
wheel. Also I tend to work on other people's machines, so I use a
variety of pointing devices, tablets are the only thing I don't
like much.
Looks as though I'll have to practice left-hand only though, I
think I've fractured something in/near my right wrist :-(
Have Fun
Martin
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26 Aug 2004 06:51:46 AM |
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:23:04 +1000, Therion Ware wrote
(in article <flhri0l0dnq0fj4r7kn1g7ef1173rrdinc@4ax.com>):
So I have this G4 Cube running OS 9.2.
40GB HDD, and usual for that kind of machine.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=43104
Having, much against my better judgment just bought a G5, do you think
it's worth flogging the Cube on eBay or similar? If so what do you
think I'd get? Enough to make it worthwhile? Or should I keep it "just
in case"?
I'm surprised you can't find a use for it [mail server, batch
processor for file conversions <shrug>]
Your thoughts welcome.
Sorry, if I start thinking I'll have to charge you.
/me having 'fun' with a client whose accounts people want me to
quote prices on all 'pieces of string...' [not in 3" lengths]
Have Fun
Martin
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26 Aug 2004 07:28:21 AM |
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:51:46 +1000 in alt.atheism, Martin Crisp
(Martin Crisp <Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au>) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:23:04 +1000, Therion Ware wrote
(in article <flhri0l0dnq0fj4r7kn1g7ef1173rrdinc@4ax.com>):
So I have this G4 Cube running OS 9.2.
40GB HDD, and usual for that kind of machine.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=43104
Having, much against my better judgment just bought a G5, do you think
it's worth flogging the Cube on eBay or similar? If so what do you
think I'd get? Enough to make it worthwhile? Or should I keep it "just
in case"?
I'm surprised you can't find a use for it [mail server, batch
processor for file conversions <shrug>]
Alas I use NT 4.0 for that kind of thing, though an toying with
upgrading to Win2K Advanced Server.But that would mean replacing my
server, which would be, double alas, a real hassle.
Your thoughts welcome.
Sorry, if I start thinking I'll have to charge you.
As long as it's 240 volts at 50Hz. Then I stand some chance of
survival... Probably.
Know why more US citizens die of electrocution on a percentage of
population than UK people do? Because 60Hz makes your heart fibulate,
but 50Hz stops it dead. You average first-aider can start a heart much
easier than s/he can stop a fibrillating heart and then start it.
Mind you, the other night I tried to walk into a club here in
Stevenage. The bouncer said, "no tie, you can't come in".
"Ok," I said, and went back to the car. All I could find was a set of
jump leads. "What the hell," so I wrapped them around my neck and
tried again.
The doorman said: "Ok, but don't try and start anything".
/me having 'fun' with a client whose accounts people want me to
quote prices on all 'pieces of string...' [not in 3" lengths]
See:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073312/
"I loved him for his string".
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: <http://www.Video2CD.com>. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
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| User: "Martin Crisp" |
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26 Aug 2004 08:46:57 AM |
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:28:21 +1000, Therion Ware wrote
(in article <93lri0pfbk8u9ckpa3oagss5jum8ea8g55@4ax.com>):
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:51:46 +1000 in alt.atheism, Martin Crisp
(Martin Crisp <Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au>) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:23:04 +1000, Therion Ware wrote
(in article <flhri0l0dnq0fj4r7kn1g7ef1173rrdinc@4ax.com>):
So I have this G4 Cube running OS 9.2.
40GB HDD, and usual for that kind of machine.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=43104
Having, much against my better judgment just bought a G5, do you think
it's worth flogging the Cube on eBay or similar? If so what do you
think I'd get? Enough to make it worthwhile? Or should I keep it "just
in case"?
I'm surprised you can't find a use for it [mail server, batch
processor for file conversions <shrug>]
Alas I use NT 4.0 for that kind of thing, though an toying with
upgrading to Win2K Advanced Server.But that would mean replacing my
server, which would be, double alas, a real hassle.
:-) Fair enough.
I have an uncle-in-law in Deal, who is coming out this way in a few
months... Flat screen?
Your thoughts welcome.
Sorry, if I start thinking I'll have to charge you.
As long as it's 240 volts at 50Hz. Then I stand some chance of
survival... Probably.
Hasn't <twitch> done me <tic> any harm.
Know why more US citizens die of electrocution on a percentage of
population than UK people do? Because 60Hz makes your heart fibulate,
but 50Hz stops it dead. You average first-aider can start a heart much
easier than s/he can stop a fibrillating heart and then start it.
Vaguely, somewhere in this head thing, yeah; I did.
Mind you, the other night I tried to walk into a club here in
Stevenage. The bouncer said, "no tie, you can't come in".
"Ok," I said, and went back to the car. All I could find was a set of
jump leads. "What the hell," so I wrapped them around my neck and
tried again.
The doorman said: "Ok, but don't try and start anything".
Yeah, that one too :-)
/me having 'fun' with a client whose accounts people want me to
quote prices on all 'pieces of string...' [not in 3" lengths]
See:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073312/
"I loved him for his string".
I vaguely recall seeing most of Sleepers, once, long ago...
Woody Allen doesn't 'do' much for me <shrug>
[rarely watch movies... The Two Towers good, is it?]
Have Fun
Martin
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26 Aug 2004 10:23:26 PM |
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Therion Ware wrote:
So I have this G4 Cube running OS 9.2.
40GB HDD, and usual for that kind of machine.
Having, much against my better judgment just bought a G5, do you think
it's worth flogging the Cube on eBay or similar? If so what do you
think I'd get? Enough to make it worthwhile? Or should I keep it "just
in case"?
Your thoughts welcome.
Just in case. Or you might watch what G4 prices on EBay are,
and see if its worth the while. If the prices are high enough
you can sell and buy peripherals you want, that might be the
way to go.
Hint, at the end of the year, all digital video cards
will be mandated to have a no copy flag built in.
If you have though about the possibility of doing a
fully digital PVR card type set up in the future,
grab it now.
--
Senator Waxman's searchable database of iraq war lies.
www.house.gov/reform/min/features/iraq_on_the_record/
A good portal to more lies and Bush stupidity is to be found at
www.failureisimpossible.com - Go to the index and go to
"L" for lies. All you need to know about Bush when you
step into the voting booth. Bush is a liar and surrounds
himself with fellow liars.
Cheerful Charlie
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26 Aug 2004 09:49:27 AM |
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Therion Ware wrote:
So I have this G4 Cube running OS 9.2.
40GB HDD, and usual for that kind of machine.
Having, much against my better judgment just bought a G5, do you think
it's worth flogging the Cube on eBay or similar? If so what do you
think I'd get? Enough to make it worthwhile? Or should I keep it "just
in case"?
Your thoughts welcome.
My brother paid some $$$ on ebay for a G4 a year or two ago,
so maybe it's worth at least searching the completed ebay
auctions to see what it would bring. The longer you wait,
the less it's worth.
Although in general we use computers till they're fully
depreciated, then they sit around in my collection...along
with the scores of other peoples' fully depreciated
computers. Visit the Selectric Typewriter Museum to see
what I mean.
--
Jim
Visit the Selectric Typewriter Museum at it's new home!
http://www.selectric.org
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26 Aug 2004 07:00:14 AM |
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Therion Ware wrote:
So I have this G4 Cube running OS 9.2.
40GB HDD, and usual for that kind of machine.
Having, much against my better judgment just bought a G5, do you think
it's worth flogging the Cube on eBay or similar? If so what do you
think I'd get? Enough to make it worthwhile? Or should I keep it "just
in case"?
Your thoughts welcome.
Well, it would more than pay for an iPod 40GB...
unless you have a use for an older machine (e.g.
an iTunes console for your living room?)
OTOH I could keep it for you, just in case ;-)
socode
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