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"Daniel Kolle" |
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18 Dec 2004 10:04:59 AM |
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OT: Computer Trouble, Part III |
My computer has so much infected ***** it ain't even funny. So I have
decided that a format would be the best idea. This brings me to my
question: how do you do it? Go to DOS?
Also, how difficult is it to install everything again after
you have formatted? Do I have to go through all that BIOS stuff? How
long should it take? Etc, etc.
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-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Computer Trouble, Part III |
18 Dec 2004 10:30:11 AM |
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On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:04:59 -0600 in alt.atheism, Daniel Kolle
(Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
My computer has so much infected ***** it ain't even funny. So I have
decided that a format would be the best idea. This brings me to my
question: how do you do it? Go to DOS?
If you can, cold boot (i.e. stick the floppy in when the machine is
powered off, and turn the machine on) the machine on a dos floppy,
then run FDisk. and remove all the disk partitions. That'll kill
everything on the HDDs. Just to be paranoidly safe, make sure the
boot floppy has the write protect slider is set to "on".
You don't need to recreate the partitions - the system reinstall
procedure should take care of that automatically.
Also, how difficult is it to install everything again after
you have formatted? Do I have to go through all that BIOS stuff? How
long should it take? Etc, etc.
Before you do this for Christsakes make sure you have *all* the CDs,
serial numbers and drivers you'll need to restore your system,
including drivers for any cards you may have added to the system. Also
make a note of your Internet and any other settings you may have
changed / added. They'll come in dead handy later.
Oh and disconnect your machine from the Internet, *before* you start
doing this.
A full restore isn't particularly complicated, and you'd be looking at
around one to two hours for XP or 2000, assuming you have a reasonable
number of applications to restore once the OS is back in place. The
thing that can take a while is the online updates you get from windows
update once the basic system restore is completed.
Again, the most important things is to make *absolutely sure* you have
all the necessary CDs and serial numbers and drivers you're going to
need.
Bios settings should not be affected.
Then again, your PC manufacturer might have given you a system restore
CD / DVD, in which case all you need to do is boot from it (many of
them just copy a disk image to your system, and *bing* you're back
with a clean system).
Might be an idea to install an anti virus and firewall *before* you
start downloading / surfing again!
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Computer Trouble, Part III |
18 Dec 2004 09:12:15 PM |
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Therion Ware wrote:
My computer has so much infected ***** it ain't even funny. So I have
decided that a format would be the best idea. This brings me to my
question: how do you do it? Go to DOS?
...............
Oh and disconnect your machine from the Internet, *before* you start
doing this.
A full restore isn't particularly complicated, and you'd be looking at
around one to two hours for XP or 2000, assuming you have a reasonable
number of applications to restore once the OS is back in place. The
thing that can take a while is the online updates you get from windows
update once the basic system restore is completed.
Again, the most important things is to make *absolutely sure* you have
all the necessary CDs and serial numbers and drivers you're going to
need.
Bios settings should not be affected.
Then again, your PC manufacturer might have given you a system restore
CD / DVD, in which case all you need to do is boot from it (many of
them just copy a disk image to your system, and *bing* you're back
with a clean system).
Might be an idea to install an anti virus and firewall *before* you
start downloading / surfing again!
If you are going to do a full reinstall, after getting it up and running
and BEFORE YOU GET ONLINE, back it up!
Then if at some point in the future you have to do this again
its a matter of formatting your partitions and reloading from
CDs. That's much faster than a full reinstall from scratch.
Saving a full back up when things seem to be running
as you add software and and hardware and things seem
to be working is a good idea too.
Saving browser bookmarks and other similar things from time
to time is essential.
Saving the register to CD is good too, this gives you a chance
to compare a known good register that cannot be overwritten
to something flaky. A lot of malware nowadays hides in
files and rewrites itself to the register if removed from the register.
Not all spyware removal software catches all such things,
download all the free ones you can find.
--
Apes bad! Dust good!
Apes bad! Dust good!
21st Century American Christianity
in a nutshell.
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Ike" |
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| Title: Re: Computer Trouble, Part III |
18 Dec 2004 08:51:53 PM |
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"Daniel Kolle" <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:r0l8s0tmvtt4pf7s6fpo4aqrk2t1g98so0@4ax.com...
My computer has so much infected ***** it ain't even funny. So I have
decided that a format would be the best idea. This brings me to my
question: how do you do it? Go to DOS?
Also, how difficult is it to install everything again after
you have formatted? Do I have to go through all that BIOS stuff? How
long should it take? Etc, etc.
I think this is not a job for you to do alone.
--
The argument that everything had a Creator because it's too complicated, is
about as reasonable as saying that it couldn't have been created since it's
too complicated.
It's about like saying that a super flea created a dog. Then
the good fleas go to a great dog in the sky, while the bad unbelieving fleas
are scratched off into a super rug to be forever hungry. If you think dogs
weren't created by a Great Flea then you are an atheist flea.
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| User: "wcb" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Computer Trouble, Part III |
22 Dec 2004 04:59:54 AM |
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Daniel Kolle wrote:
My computer has so much infected ***** it ain't even funny. So I have
decided that a format would be the best idea. This brings me to my
question: how do you do it? Go to DOS?
Also, how difficult is it to install everything again after
you have formatted? Do I have to go through all that BIOS stuff? How
long should it take? Etc, etc.
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr
Tveitt are my Gods. Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane
Scientist.
For that, you should have a partitioner.
When I used Windows, I always used Partition Magic.
If you made a rescue disk when you loaded Windows,
use that. When I had W98 I could format with the
CD I loaded from, but I don't know if rescue CDs
now sent with systems do that. I suspect so,
try that. If not there were some shareware
partitioners around. Ranish Formatter for example.
If your BIOS is set up. you shouldn't have to
do anything there.
Installing again can be a *****, depending on
how much software you had.
One thing I learned long ago,take extensive notes
as you go so if you need to do it again, you can,
easily withoiut having to remeber al the messy details.
Get all driver disks ahead of time in one pile
before you start. All manuals. Nothing like having
to stop and hunt a manual down, or missing CD.
When you are loaded, fresh and have never
been on line, save the register to CD or floppy.
This can save you a lot of trouble in the future.
A lot of spy ware crap hides on disc and rewrites
itself if you clean it manually. You may not be
able to get rid of it that way. But comparing a
jiggered register with a saved copy tells you what
is being rewritten, and you can google for it,
find out what's doing it and what is needed to
kill it. This can save much time and aggravation.
Save the register from time to time so you can
make future debugging easier.
If you have a working CDRW, save from time to time
each partition so you can easily reformat
and reload from last working system than having
to start from scratch.
Download a good firewall first, and
all the freeby antivirus and antispyware
stuff you can find. Download Mozilla, Firefox
or Opera or some non-IE browser.
IE is nothing but a spyware-virus-trojan portal
anymore.
Another thing I used to do was have several
hard disks. That way I could set up a good
clean new install and have it set aside,
saving stuff like documents and things I had
done, on CD, and move it to the second disk.
That way, I was never without a working OS.
If I had problems with the other, I could
easily format and rebuild with saved stuff
off of CD without having to start from scratch.
I could save stuff from disk 1 to disk 2,
reformat disk 1, and copy from disk 2 to 1.
Or you may just want to get a second hard disk
and try Linux.
Linux is its own pain in the butt but I don't get
spyware, viruses, popups and drive-by-browser
hijackings.
I haven't used Windows in some time now.
If all you use your computer for is getting
on the net, browsing websites, News, e-mail,
word processing and similar, Linux does it just
as well. Linux won't run many heavy duty games or
stuff like AutoCad, if you aren't doing something
like that, you won't really miss windows.
WINE will let you use all your normal Windows
software like Office or Word under linux.
I know some people who do use heavy duty
stuff like that under Windows, but they
use a Linux system for getting on line and
don't even bother hooking up their Windows
machine to the net.
I used carts too. A cart allowed me to swap
out Harddisks. I could easily swap out a hard
disk for DOS, Windows or Linux and reboot.
The easy way to make a transition. I use mainly
Linux now and rarely load DOS anymore.
Windows not much any more either.
I have Windows XP but have never bothered
to load it up on hard disk.
--
Dance, monkeys, dance!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Olrik" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Computer Trouble, Part III |
19 Dec 2004 01:04:31 AM |
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Daniel Kolle wrote:
My computer has so much infected ***** it ain't even funny. So I have
decided that a format would be the best idea. This brings me to my
question: how do you do it? Go to DOS?
Also, how difficult is it to install everything again after
you have formatted? Do I have to go through all that BIOS stuff? How
long should it take? Etc, etc.
1- Forget the BIOS. It's not important unless you have very specific
hardware needs.
2- Save your personal stuff on CD-Rs, if you can.
3- Re-installing programs is not very hard, just tedious. It's the
updates that are time-consuming.
But whatever you do, *please* take these steps :
- Get yourself a hardware router (they are not expensive);
- Use a *real*, free browser (www.mozilla.org)
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Computer Trouble, Part III |
19 Dec 2004 02:00:47 PM |
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On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 02:04:31 -0500, Olrik <olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com>
thought hard and said:
- Use a *real*, free browser (www.mozilla.org)
Opera!
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| User: "Olrik" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Computer Trouble, Part III |
19 Dec 2004 03:45:44 PM |
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Daniel Kolle wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 02:04:31 -0500, Olrik <olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com>
thought hard and said:
- Use a *real*, free browser (www.mozilla.org)
Opera!
I've got a couple of friends who like it very much. But you have to pay
to get a version with no ads, IIRC.
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Computer Trouble, Part III |
19 Dec 2004 04:56:47 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Sun, 19 Dec 2004 16:45:44 -0500, Olrik
<olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com> let us all know that:
Daniel Kolle wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 02:04:31 -0500, Olrik <olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com>
thought hard and said:
- Use a *real*, free browser (www.mozilla.org)
Opera!
I've got a couple of friends who like it very much. But you have to pay
to get a version with no ads, IIRC.
One word: keygen.
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Computer Trouble, Part III |
19 Dec 2004 03:50:50 PM |
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Olrik wrote:
Daniel Kolle wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 02:04:31 -0500, Olrik <olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com>
thought hard and said:
- Use a *real*, free browser (www.mozilla.org)
Opera!
I've got a couple of friends who like it very much. But you have to pay
to get a version with no ads, IIRC.
Yeah, but the ads are only two lines of text (if you choose that option.)
And it's not totally unknown for them to bring up something interesting.
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "wcb" |
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22 Dec 2004 05:05:14 AM |
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Olrik wrote:
Daniel Kolle wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 02:04:31 -0500, Olrik <olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com>
thought hard and said:
- Use a *real*, free browser (www.mozilla.org)
Opera!
I've got a couple of friends who like it very much. But you have to pay
to get a version with no ads, IIRC.
Correct. I just loaded Mandrake 10.1 and
it had freebe Opera on it. With ads.
I actually like Opera pretty well.
I may try Firefox. Firefox is supposed to be fast also.
Right now, Opera has a deal where add free Opera is $24 US.
--
Dance, monkeys, dance!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "johac" |
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19 Dec 2004 02:51:58 AM |
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In article <r0l8s0tmvtt4pf7s6fpo4aqrk2t1g98so0@4ax.com>,
Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
My computer has so much infected ***** it ain't even funny. So I have
decided that a format would be the best idea. This brings me to my
question: how do you do it? Go to DOS?
Also, how difficult is it to install everything again after
you have formatted? Do I have to go through all that BIOS stuff? How
long should it take? Etc, etc.
--
Dropkick the POS out the window and get a Mac.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently
in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened
nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04
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| User: "Martin Crisp" |
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19 Dec 2004 03:51:49 AM |
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On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:51:58 +1100, johac wrote
(in article <jhachm-B43795.00515819122004@news.giganews.com>):
In article <r0l8s0tmvtt4pf7s6fpo4aqrk2t1g98so0@4ax.com>,
Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
My computer has so much infected ***** it ain't even funny. So I have
decided that a format would be the best idea. This brings me to my
question: how do you do it? Go to DOS?
Also, how difficult is it to install everything again after
you have formatted? Do I have to go through all that BIOS stuff? How
long should it take? Etc, etc.
--
Dropkick the POS out the window and get a Mac.
At the very least: stick a Linux on it (friend suggests Fedora or
Ubuntu)
But /me heartily recommends the Mac.
<evangelism*>
If you're into chat clients I use & recommend Adium X
<http://www.adiumx.com/>
I'm not financially involved with the project, but I've written
some (small) 'X(tras)' for it.
<http://www.adiumxtras.com/>
<http://www.adiumxtras.com/index.php?a=users&do=profile&user_id=478>
</evangelism>
I'm now officially a script-kiddie, I guess ;-)
*but only for actual things of some actual use.
Have Fun
Martin
[The duck still burns!]
--
aa #1792
Almost always SMASHed
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Computer Trouble, Part III |
20 Dec 2004 12:11:16 AM |
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In article <0001HW.BDEB9A6500C6529EF04885B0@news.ozemail.com.au>,
Martin Crisp <Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:51:58 +1100, johac wrote
(in article <jhachm-B43795.00515819122004@news.giganews.com>):
In article <r0l8s0tmvtt4pf7s6fpo4aqrk2t1g98so0@4ax.com>,
Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
My computer has so much infected ***** it ain't even funny. So I have
decided that a format would be the best idea. This brings me to my
question: how do you do it? Go to DOS?
Also, how difficult is it to install everything again after
you have formatted? Do I have to go through all that BIOS stuff? How
long should it take? Etc, etc.
--
Dropkick the POS out the window and get a Mac.
At the very least: stick a Linux on it (friend suggests Fedora or
Ubuntu)
But /me heartily recommends the Mac.
<evangelism*>
I'm a believer!
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently
in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened
nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04
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| User: "Martin Crisp" |
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20 Dec 2004 06:08:26 AM |
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:11:16 +1100, johac wrote
(in article <jhachm-F5D24B.22111619122004@news.giganews.com>):
In article <0001HW.BDEB9A6500C6529EF04885B0@news.ozemail.com.au>,
Martin Crisp <Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:51:58 +1100, johac wrote
(in article <jhachm-B43795.00515819122004@news.giganews.com>):
In article <r0l8s0tmvtt4pf7s6fpo4aqrk2t1g98so0@4ax.com>,
Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
My computer has so much infected ***** it ain't even funny. So I have
decided that a format would be the best idea. This brings me to my
question: how do you do it? Go to DOS?
Also, how difficult is it to install everything again after
you have formatted? Do I have to go through all that BIOS stuff? How
long should it take? Etc, etc.
--
Dropkick the POS out the window and get a Mac.
At the very least: stick a Linux on it (friend suggests Fedora or
Ubuntu)
But /me heartily recommends the Mac.
<evangelism*>
I'm a believer!
:-)
Perhaps Daniel can hit his parents up for a G5 iMac for
xmas/solstice/generosity's sake?
Have Fun
Martin
--
aa #1792
Almost always SMASHed
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Computer Trouble, Part III |
20 Dec 2004 07:44:21 AM |
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:08:26 +1100 in alt.atheism, Martin Crisp
(Martin Crisp <Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au>) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:11:16 +1100, johac wrote
(in article <jhachm-F5D24B.22111619122004@news.giganews.com>):
In article <0001HW.BDEB9A6500C6529EF04885B0@news.ozemail.com.au>,
Martin Crisp <Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:51:58 +1100, johac wrote
(in article <jhachm-B43795.00515819122004@news.giganews.com>):
In article <r0l8s0tmvtt4pf7s6fpo4aqrk2t1g98so0@4ax.com>,
Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
My computer has so much infected ***** it ain't even funny. So I have
decided that a format would be the best idea. This brings me to my
question: how do you do it? Go to DOS?
Also, how difficult is it to install everything again after
you have formatted? Do I have to go through all that BIOS stuff? How
long should it take? Etc, etc.
--
Dropkick the POS out the window and get a Mac.
At the very least: stick a Linux on it (friend suggests Fedora or
Ubuntu)
But /me heartily recommends the Mac.
<evangelism*>
I'm a believer!
:-)
Perhaps Daniel can hit his parents up for a G5 iMac for
xmas/solstice/generosity's sake?
Heh.
And if they want to teach him things, buy him a motherboard, a case, a
PSU, a CPU, an HDD, various cards, and so on. Each in a separate
package. With a bow on each one.
But seriously the whole Mac/PC/Linux thing is mainly conducted by
amateurs.
You choose your machine and OS depending on what you want to do and
the context of what you want to do and the apps that are available
with respect to what you want to do.
If I want to do Quark, I'll use a Mac. if I want a comms server I
might use Linux, if I want cheapo DVD & video processing I'll use a
PC.
Which is to say that IMO, what you use should be appropriate to the
tasks you envisage while taking into account what you're spending with
regard to what you want to do.
... and so on.
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: www.Video2CD.com. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
Market Your DVD to The World For Almost Nothing: www.instantdvd.tv
** atheist poster child #1 ** #442.
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| User: "Martin Crisp" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Computer Trouble, Part III |
20 Dec 2004 09:14:42 AM |
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On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 00:44:21 +1100, Therion Ware wrote
(in article <hqkds0d5701p3v3tj1796nfubvdem6hjdn@4ax.com>):
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:08:26 +1100 in alt.atheism, Martin Crisp
(Martin Crisp <Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au>) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:11:16 +1100, johac wrote
(in article <jhachm-F5D24B.22111619122004@news.giganews.com>):
In article <0001HW.BDEB9A6500C6529EF04885B0@news.ozemail.com.au>,
Martin Crisp <Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:51:58 +1100, johac wrote
(in article <jhachm-B43795.00515819122004@news.giganews.com>):
In article <r0l8s0tmvtt4pf7s6fpo4aqrk2t1g98so0@4ax.com>,
Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
My computer has so much infected ***** it ain't even funny. So I have
decided that a format would be the best idea. This brings me to my
question: how do you do it? Go to DOS?
Also, how difficult is it to install everything again after
you have formatted? Do I have to go through all that BIOS stuff? How
long should it take? Etc, etc.
--
Dropkick the POS out the window and get a Mac.
At the very least: stick a Linux on it (friend suggests Fedora or
Ubuntu)
But /me heartily recommends the Mac.
<evangelism*>
For clarity:
This was aimed at the chat client, so for those already with a Mac,
not at the Mac itself...
I'm a believer!
-)
Perhaps Daniel can hit his parents up for a G5 iMac for
xmas/solstice/generosity's sake?
Heh.
And if they want to teach him things, buy him a motherboard, a case, a
PSU, a CPU, an HDD, various cards, and so on. Each in a separate
package. With a bow on each one.
I don't see that as a particularly valuable lesson <shrugs>, if
Daniel or his parents do, fair enough :-)
But seriously the whole Mac/PC/Linux thing is mainly conducted by
amateurs.
Agreed. Which is why I put Linux ahead, or at least in front, of my
biases ;-)
[snip rest, also agreed]
Have Fun
Martin
--
aa #1792
Almost always SMASHed
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Computer Trouble, Part III |
20 Dec 2004 10:24:38 AM |
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Therion Ware wrote:
< snip >
And if they want to teach him things,
Like how to fry hundred of dollars worth of hardware the first time you
flip the power switch. At least, that's what my wife and I learned when
she used two regular screws instead of the gold-plated ones to attach
the mobo to the case.
buy him a motherboard, a case, a
PSU, a CPU, an HDD, various cards, and so on. Each in a separate
package. With a bow on each one.
<chuckle> I hope that includes a gift certificate to Green Eggs and RAM
so he'll be able to use them someday. <g>
< snip >
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Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Computer Trouble, Part III |
22 Dec 2004 12:48:52 AM |
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In article <0001HW.BDED0BEA011CEDD9F02845B0@news.ozemail.com.au>,
Martin Crisp <Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:11:16 +1100, johac wrote
(in article <jhachm-F5D24B.22111619122004@news.giganews.com>):
In article <0001HW.BDEB9A6500C6529EF04885B0@news.ozemail.com.au>,
Martin Crisp <Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:51:58 +1100, johac wrote
(in article <jhachm-B43795.00515819122004@news.giganews.com>):
In article <r0l8s0tmvtt4pf7s6fpo4aqrk2t1g98so0@4ax.com>,
Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
My computer has so much infected ***** it ain't even funny. So I have
decided that a format would be the best idea. This brings me to my
question: how do you do it? Go to DOS?
Also, how difficult is it to install everything again after
you have formatted? Do I have to go through all that BIOS stuff? How
long should it take? Etc, etc.
--
Dropkick the POS out the window and get a Mac.
At the very least: stick a Linux on it (friend suggests Fedora or
Ubuntu)
But /me heartily recommends the Mac.
<evangelism*>
I'm a believer!
:-)
Perhaps Daniel can hit his parents up for a G5 iMac for
xmas/solstice/generosity's sake?
Dang! I wish I had somebody that I could hit up for one of them babies.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently
in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened
nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04
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| User: "Martin Crisp" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Computer Trouble, Part III |
24 Dec 2004 03:55:31 PM |
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:48:52 +1100, johac wrote
(in article <jhachm-FAC2E0.22485221122004@news.giganews.com>):
In article <0001HW.BDED0BEA011CEDD9F02845B0@news.ozemail.com.au>,
Martin Crisp <Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:11:16 +1100, johac wrote
(in article <jhachm-F5D24B.22111619122004@news.giganews.com>):
In article <0001HW.BDEB9A6500C6529EF04885B0@news.ozemail.com.au>,
Martin Crisp <Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au> wrote:
[...]
Perhaps Daniel can hit his parents up for a G5 iMac for
xmas/solstice/generosity's sake?
Dang! I wish I had somebody that I could hit up for one of them babies.
"George" (the name he is known by, but not his real name), a
'techno-hippy' friend of mine, and prolific but struggling artist*,
just hit our Government up for one. I found out yesterday he's been
approved (I'm not sure if it's technically a loan or a grant, but
given his income, even a loan is pretty good ;-))
They turned down his first application for 'G5 iMac: top-of-line
with all the goodies' :-(
Should be a bit of a step up from the LC III (or maybe 475) he's
currently using. <g>
*scuplture; painting/drawing (traditional and electronic media);
music composition (melody & lyrics); scripts (theatre/TV).
Have Fun
Martin
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aa #1792
Almost always SMASHed
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| User: "J Forbes" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Computer Trouble, Part III |
19 Dec 2004 10:19:45 AM |
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Martin Crisp wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:51:58 +1100, johac wrote
(in article <jhachm-B43795.00515819122004@news.giganews.com>):
In article <r0l8s0tmvtt4pf7s6fpo4aqrk2t1g98so0@4ax.com>,
Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
My computer has so much infected ***** it ain't even funny. So I have
decided that a format would be the best idea. This brings me to my
question: how do you do it? Go to DOS?
Also, how difficult is it to install everything again after
you have formatted? Do I have to go through all that BIOS stuff? How
long should it take? Etc, etc.
--
Dropkick the POS out the window and get a Mac.
At the very least: stick a Linux on it (friend suggests Fedora or
Ubuntu)
But /me heartily recommends the Mac.
I suppose a mac or linux box is the easy solution for those who don't
have what it takes to make windoze work....
:)
--
Jim
Visit the Selectric Typewriter Museum!
http://www.selectric.org
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| User: "Martin Crisp" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Computer Trouble, Part III |
19 Dec 2004 10:53:38 AM |
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 03:19:45 +1100, J Forbes wrote
(in article <BShxd.4366$RH4.396@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>):
Martin Crisp wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:51:58 +1100, johac wrote
(in article <jhachm-B43795.00515819122004@news.giganews.com>):
In article <r0l8s0tmvtt4pf7s6fpo4aqrk2t1g98so0@4ax.com>,
Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
My computer has so much infected ***** it ain't even funny. So I have
decided that a format would be the best idea. This brings me to my
question: how do you do it? Go to DOS?
Also, how difficult is it to install everything again after
you have formatted? Do I have to go through all that BIOS stuff? How
long should it take? Etc, etc.
--
Dropkick the POS out the window and get a Mac.
At the very least: stick a Linux on it (friend suggests Fedora or
Ubuntu)
But /me heartily recommends the Mac.
I suppose a mac or linux box is the easy solution for those who don't
have what it takes to make windoze work....
:)
It's also the easy solution for those who can :-P
[I resigned my PC network admin, analyst/programmer,
usersupport/training position 4 years ago... after being in it for
10]
Have Fun
Martin
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aa #1792
Almost always SMASHed
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Computer Trouble, Part III |
20 Dec 2004 10:13:55 AM |
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Martin Crisp wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:51:58 +1100, johac wrote
(in article <jhachm-B43795.00515819122004@news.giganews.com>):
< snip >
Dropkick the POS out the window and get a Mac.
At the very least: stick a Linux on it (friend suggests Fedora or
Ubuntu)
He doesn't even know how to reinstall Windows. I don't think he's a
good candidate for Linux.
(Ubuntu? That's a new one to me.)
But /me heartily recommends the Mac.
That would certainly be a better idea for Daniel, I think.
< snip >
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "Martin Crisp" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Computer Trouble, Part III |
20 Dec 2004 05:05:44 PM |
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On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 03:13:55 +1100, Tukla Ratte wrote
(in article <32oc24F3putfeU1@individual.net>):
Martin Crisp wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:51:58 +1100, johac wrote
(in article <jhachm-B43795.00515819122004@news.giganews.com>):
< snip >
Dropkick the POS out the window and get a Mac.
At the very least: stick a Linux on it (friend suggests Fedora or
Ubuntu)
He doesn't even know how to reinstall Windows. I don't think he's a
good candidate for Linux.
Right at the moment, agreed; but if he were to grab a Linux Live CD
(e.g. Mandrake or Knoppix), he can play and decide if he likes the
environment enough to learn what he needs.
His existing hardware & software investment is better protected
this way, while avoiding the bigger malware problems of Windows.
(Ubuntu? That's a new one to me.)
Likewise, but friend apparently knows what he's doing/saying ;-)
[I won't bore you with his CV]
But /me heartily recommends the Mac.
That would certainly be a better idea for Daniel, I think.
Other than if he desires an i86 hardware solution, agreed.
[If nothing else it's a kind environment for learning *nix basics]
< snip >
Have Fun
Martin
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aa #1792
Almost always SMASHed
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Computer Trouble, Part III |
23 Dec 2004 04:29:17 PM |
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Martin Crisp wrote:
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 03:13:55 +1100, Tukla Ratte wrote
(in article <32oc24F3putfeU1@individual.net>):
< snip >
He doesn't even know how to reinstall Windows. I don't think he's a
good candidate for Linux.
Right at the moment, agreed; but if he were to grab a Linux Live CD
(e.g. Mandrake or Knoppix),
Or SuSE.
he can play and decide if he likes the
environment enough to learn what he needs.
Yeah, those Live CDs were an excellent idea/invention.
His existing hardware & software investment is better protected
this way,
Yep. If it can run Windows, it can run Linux.
while avoiding the bigger malware problems of Windows.
Hell, yeah.
< snip >
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "wcb" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Computer Trouble, Part III |
24 Dec 2004 02:29:39 AM |
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Tukla Ratte wrote:
Martin Crisp wrote:
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 03:13:55 +1100, Tukla Ratte wrote
(in article <32oc24F3putfeU1@individual.net>):
< snip >
He doesn't even know how to reinstall Windows. I don't think he's a
good candidate for Linux.
Right at the moment, agreed; but if he were to grab a Linux Live CD
(e.g. Mandrake or Knoppix),
Or SuSE.
he can play and decide if he likes the
environment enough to learn what he needs.
Yeah, those Live CDs were an excellent idea/invention.
His existing hardware & software investment is better protected
this way,
Yep. If it can run Windows, it can run Linux.
while avoiding the bigger malware problems of Windows.
Hell, yeah.
< snip >
Giant, bloated Microsoft Longhornis coming.
Time to start planning for that 512 meg memory upgrade,
a new 200 gig hardisk and a new and faster CPU.
Run away! Run away!
--
Dance, monkeys, dance!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Sean C" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Computer Trouble, Part III |
18 Dec 2004 11:10:55 PM |
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In article <r0l8s0tmvtt4pf7s6fpo4aqrk2t1g98so0@4ax.com>, Daniel Kolle
<DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
My computer has so much infected ***** it ain't even funny. So I have
decided that a format would be the best idea. This brings me to my
question: how do you do it? Go to DOS?
Also, how difficult is it to install everything again after
you have formatted? Do I have to go through all that BIOS stuff? How
long should it take? Etc, etc.
<subliminable message> BURN THE FUCKER, AND BUY A MAC!
</end subliminable message>
Sean C
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Computer Trouble, Part III |
19 Dec 2004 04:55:02 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:10:55 -0500, Sean C
<redhawk@/burnspammersalive/hvc.rr.com> let us all know that:
In article <r0l8s0tmvtt4pf7s6fpo4aqrk2t1g98so0@4ax.com>, Daniel Kolle
<DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
My computer has so much infected ***** it ain't even funny. So I have
decided that a format would be the best idea. This brings me to my
question: how do you do it? Go to DOS?
Also, how difficult is it to install everything again after
you have formatted? Do I have to go through all that BIOS stuff? How
long should it take? Etc, etc.
<subliminable message> BURN THE FUCKER, AND BUY A MAC!
</end subliminable message>
And go backwards?
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "Sean C" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Computer Trouble, Part III |
19 Dec 2004 09:35:34 PM |
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In article <422cs01b7mouevk3gcn9iul4hu36di36rl@4ax.com>, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism on Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:10:55 -0500, Sean C
<redhawk@/burnspammersalive/hvc.rr.com> let us all know that:
In article <r0l8s0tmvtt4pf7s6fpo4aqrk2t1g98so0@4ax.com>, Daniel Kolle
<DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
My computer has so much infected ***** it ain't even funny. So I have
decided that a format would be the best idea. This brings me to my
question: how do you do it? Go to DOS?
Also, how difficult is it to install everything again after
you have formatted? Do I have to go through all that BIOS stuff? How
long should it take? Etc, etc.
<subliminable message> BURN THE FUCKER, AND BUY A MAC!
</end subliminable message>
And go backwards?
Yes, lest you get caught in the blaze.
Sean C
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| User: "Colin Day" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Computer Trouble, Part III |
19 Dec 2004 10:54:23 AM |
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Sean C wrote:
In article <r0l8s0tmvtt4pf7s6fpo4aqrk2t1g98so0@4ax.com>, Daniel Kolle
<DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
My computer has so much infected ***** it ain't even funny. So I have
decided that a format would be the best idea. This brings me to my
question: how do you do it? Go to DOS?
Also, how difficult is it to install everything again after
you have formatted? Do I have to go through all that BIOS stuff? How
long should it take? Etc, etc.
<subliminable message> BURN THE FUCKER, AND BUY A MAC!
</end subliminable message>
Wouldn't it be cheaper to get a nice Linux distro? SUSE 9.2 is
only $90 (US).
Colin Day
aa #1500
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| User: "wcb" |
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22 Dec 2004 05:09:07 AM |
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Colin Day wrote:
Sean C wrote:
In article <r0l8s0tmvtt4pf7s6fpo4aqrk2t1g98so0@4ax.com>, Daniel Kolle
<DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
My computer has so much infected ***** it ain't even funny. So I have
decided that a format would be the best idea. This brings me to my
question: how do you do it? Go to DOS?
Also, how difficult is it to install everything again after
you have formatted? Do I have to go through all that BIOS stuff? How
long should it take? Etc, etc.
<subliminable message> BURN THE FUCKER, AND BUY A MAC!
</end subliminable message>
Wouldn't it be cheaper to get a nice Linux distro? SUSE 9.2 is
only $90 (US).
Colin Day
aa #1500
That's the top of the line box deal, you can get the
personal edition for like $39.00
Or if brave, the cheapo distributers have the
cheap CDs, $4 - $6 or so. Try a few distros
for funsy. Mandrake, Suse, knoppix or Mandrake
Live CDs. Google Linux, cds, for CD sellers.
--
Dance, monkeys, dance!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Computer Trouble, Part III |
18 Dec 2004 08:24:59 PM |
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In article <r0l8s0tmvtt4pf7s6fpo4aqrk2t1g98so0@4ax.com>, Daniel Kolle
<DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
My computer has so much infected ***** it ain't even funny. So I have
decided that a format would be the best idea. This brings me to my
question: how do you do it? Go to DOS?
Also, how difficult is it to install everything again after
you have formatted? Do I have to go through all that BIOS stuff? How
long should it take? Etc, etc.
Macintosh.
-chib
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Member of S.M.A.S.H.
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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