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User:	"johac"
Date:	06 Oct 2006 06:42:44 AM
Object:	OT: Criticizing VP Cheney to His Face Is Assault?

Free speech? We don't need no stinkin' free speech.
---
Published on Thursday, October 5, 2006 by The Progressive
Criticizing Cheney to His Face Is Assault?
by Matthew Rothschild

Steve Howards says he used to fantasize about what hed say to President
Bush or Vice President Cheney if he ever got the chance.
That opportunity arrived on June 16, the same day he says he read about
U.S. fatalities in Iraq reaching 2,500.
Initially, I walked past him. Then I said to myself, I cant in good
conscience let this opportunity pass by. So I approached him, I got
about two feet away, and I said in a very calm tone of voice, Your
policies in Iraq are reprehensible.
Howards says he was taking two of his kids to their Suzuki piano camp in
Beaver Creek, Colorado. They were walking across the outdoor public mall
area when all of a sudden he saw Cheney there.
I didnt even know he was in town, Howards says. He was walking through
the area shaking hands. Initially, I walked past him. Then I said to
myself, I cant in good conscience let this opportunity pass by. So I
approached him, I got about two feet away, and I said in a very calm
tone of voice, Your policies in Iraq are reprehensible. And then I
walked away.
Howards says he knew the Administration has a history of making problems
for people who protest its policies, so he wanted to leave off at that.
But the Secret Service did not take kindly to his comment.About ten
minutes later, I came back through the mall with my eight-year-old son
in tow, Howards recalls, and this Secret Service man came out of the
shadows, and his exact words were, Did you assault the Vice President?
Heres how Howards says he responded: No, but I did tell Mr. Cheney the
way I felt about the war in Iraq, and if Mr. Cheney wants to be shielded
from public criticism, he should avoid public places. If exercising my
constitutional rights to free speech is against the law, then you should
arrest me.
Which is just what the agent, Virgil D. Gus Reichle Jr, proceeded to do.
He grabbed me and cuffed my hands behind my back in the presence of my
eight-year-old son and told me I was being charged with assault of the
Vice President,Howards recalls.
He says he told the agent, I cant abandon my eight-year-old son in a
public mall.
According to Howards, Reichle responded: Well call Social Services.
Before that could happen, however, my son ran away and found my wife,
who was nearby, Howards says.
First of all, I was scared, Howard recalls. They wouldnt tell my wife
where they were taking me. Second of all, I was incredulous this could
be happening in the United States of America. This is what I read about
happening in Tiananmen Square. They hauled me away to Eagle County jail
and kept me with my hands cuffed behind my back for three hours.
At the jail, the charge against him was reduced to harassment, he says,
and he was released on $500 bond. The Eagle County DAs office eventually
dropped that charge.
On October 3, Howards sued Reichle for depriving him of his First
Amendment right of free speech and his Fourth Amendment right to be
protected from illegal seizure.
Howards and his attorney, David Lane, have not demanded a specific
dollar amount.
We will go to trial and let a Colorado jury decide what type of damages
are appropriate, says Howards. This isnt about anything I did. This
about what I said. There is a frontal assault occurring on our
constitutional right to free speech. We brought this suit because of our
belief that this Administrations attempt to suppress free speech is a
greater threat to the long-term integrity of this nation than ten Osama
bin Ladens.
Reichle did not return my call for comment. Nor did he respond to The
New York Times in its article on this incident.
Lon Garner, special agent in charge at the Secret Services Denver
office, says he has no reaction to the lawsuit. Its in litigation, he
says. We have no comment.
Before his encounter with Cheney, Howards says he had a clean record.
I was never arrested before, he says. I dont have so much as a speeding
ticket.
---
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1005-20.htm
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.

User: "G-Ride"
Title: Re: Criticizing VP Cheney to His Face Is Assault?	06 Oct 2006 08:29:41 AM

"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-C19042.23424405102006@news.giganews.com...

Free speech? We don't need no stinkin' free speech.

---
Published on Thursday, October 5, 2006 by The Progressive

Criticizing Cheney to His Face Is Assault?
by Matthew Rothschild

Steve Howards says he used to fantasize about what hed say to President
Bush or Vice President Cheney if he ever got the chance.

That opportunity arrived on June 16, the same day he says he read about
U.S. fatalities in Iraq reaching 2,500.
Initially, I walked past him. Then I said to myself, I cant in good
conscience let this opportunity pass by. So I approached him, I got
about two feet away, and I said in a very calm tone of voice, Your
policies in Iraq are reprehensible.

Howards says he was taking two of his kids to their Suzuki piano camp in
Beaver Creek, Colorado. They were walking across the outdoor public mall
area when all of a sudden he saw Cheney there.

I didnt even know he was in town, Howards says. He was walking through
the area shaking hands. Initially, I walked past him. Then I said to
myself, I cant in good conscience let this opportunity pass by. So I
approached him, I got about two feet away, and I said in a very calm
tone of voice, Your policies in Iraq are reprehensible. And then I
walked away.

Howards says he knew the Administration has a history of making problems
for people who protest its policies, so he wanted to leave off at that.

But the Secret Service did not take kindly to his comment.About ten
minutes later, I came back through the mall with my eight-year-old son
in tow, Howards recalls, and this Secret Service man came out of the
shadows, and his exact words were, Did you assault the Vice President?

Heres how Howards says he responded: No, but I did tell Mr. Cheney the
way I felt about the war in Iraq, and if Mr. Cheney wants to be shielded
from public criticism, he should avoid public places. If exercising my
constitutional rights to free speech is against the law, then you should
arrest me.

Which is just what the agent, Virgil D. Gus Reichle Jr, proceeded to do.

He grabbed me and cuffed my hands behind my back in the presence of my
eight-year-old son and told me I was being charged with assault of the
Vice President,Howards recalls.

He says he told the agent, I cant abandon my eight-year-old son in a
public mall.

According to Howards, Reichle responded: Well call Social Services.
Before that could happen, however, my son ran away and found my wife,
who was nearby, Howards says.

First of all, I was scared, Howard recalls. They wouldnt tell my wife
where they were taking me. Second of all, I was incredulous this could
be happening in the United States of America. This is what I read about
happening in Tiananmen Square. They hauled me away to Eagle County jail
and kept me with my hands cuffed behind my back for three hours.

At the jail, the charge against him was reduced to harassment, he says,
and he was released on $500 bond. The Eagle County DAs office eventually
dropped that charge.

On October 3, Howards sued Reichle for depriving him of his First
Amendment right of free speech and his Fourth Amendment right to be
protected from illegal seizure.

Howards and his attorney, David Lane, have not demanded a specific
dollar amount.

We will go to trial and let a Colorado jury decide what type of damages
are appropriate, says Howards. This isnt about anything I did. This
about what I said. There is a frontal assault occurring on our
constitutional right to free speech. We brought this suit because of our
belief that this Administrations attempt to suppress free speech is a
greater threat to the long-term integrity of this nation than ten Osama
bin Ladens.

Reichle did not return my call for comment. Nor did he respond to The
New York Times in its article on this incident.

Lon Garner, special agent in charge at the Secret Services Denver
office, says he has no reaction to the lawsuit. Its in litigation, he
says. We have no comment.

Before his encounter with Cheney, Howards says he had a clean record.

I was never arrested before, he says. I dont have so much as a speeding
ticket.

I applaud his ability to remain calm in his words to Cheney. At the very
least, I think I'd have to tell ol' ***** to go ***** himself.
But as I mentioned when I posted another related story earlier, I'm sure the
founders of the country are proud of what we've become. Dissent is now
un-American. And yet dissent is what our country was initially founded
upon.
--
Aloha, G-Ride
The force that's forcing you to feel like busting up a Starbucks.
.

User: "johac"
Title: Re: Criticizing VP Cheney to His Face Is Assault?	07 Oct 2006 05:28:34 AM

In article <4omifmFfao41U1@individual.net>,
"G-Ride" <gride42nospam@yahoo.com> wrote:

"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-C19042.23424405102006@news.giganews.com...

Free speech? We don't need no stinkin' free speech.

---
Published on Thursday, October 5, 2006 by The Progressive

Criticizing Cheney to His Face Is Assault?
by Matthew Rothschild

Steve Howards says he used to fantasize about what hed say to President
Bush or Vice President Cheney if he ever got the chance.

That opportunity arrived on June 16, the same day he says he read about
U.S. fatalities in Iraq reaching 2,500.
Initially, I walked past him. Then I said to myself, I cant in good
conscience let this opportunity pass by. So I approached him, I got
about two feet away, and I said in a very calm tone of voice, Your
policies in Iraq are reprehensible.

Howards says he was taking two of his kids to their Suzuki piano camp in
Beaver Creek, Colorado. They were walking across the outdoor public mall
area when all of a sudden he saw Cheney there.

I didnt even know he was in town, Howards says. He was walking through
the area shaking hands. Initially, I walked past him. Then I said to
myself, I cant in good conscience let this opportunity pass by. So I
approached him, I got about two feet away, and I said in a very calm
tone of voice, Your policies in Iraq are reprehensible. And then I
walked away.

Howards says he knew the Administration has a history of making problems
for people who protest its policies, so he wanted to leave off at that.

But the Secret Service did not take kindly to his comment.About ten
minutes later, I came back through the mall with my eight-year-old son
in tow, Howards recalls, and this Secret Service man came out of the
shadows, and his exact words were, Did you assault the Vice President?

Heres how Howards says he responded: No, but I did tell Mr. Cheney the
way I felt about the war in Iraq, and if Mr. Cheney wants to be shielded
from public criticism, he should avoid public places. If exercising my
constitutional rights to free speech is against the law, then you should
arrest me.

Which is just what the agent, Virgil D. Gus Reichle Jr, proceeded to do.

He grabbed me and cuffed my hands behind my back in the presence of my
eight-year-old son and told me I was being charged with assault of the
Vice President,Howards recalls.

He says he told the agent, I cant abandon my eight-year-old son in a
public mall.

According to Howards, Reichle responded: Well call Social Services.
Before that could happen, however, my son ran away and found my wife,
who was nearby, Howards says.

First of all, I was scared, Howard recalls. They wouldnt tell my wife
where they were taking me. Second of all, I was incredulous this could
be happening in the United States of America. This is what I read about
happening in Tiananmen Square. They hauled me away to Eagle County jail
and kept me with my hands cuffed behind my back for three hours.

At the jail, the charge against him was reduced to harassment, he says,
and he was released on $500 bond. The Eagle County DAs office eventually
dropped that charge.

On October 3, Howards sued Reichle for depriving him of his First
Amendment right of free speech and his Fourth Amendment right to be
protected from illegal seizure.

Howards and his attorney, David Lane, have not demanded a specific
dollar amount.

We will go to trial and let a Colorado jury decide what type of damages
are appropriate, says Howards. This isnt about anything I did. This
about what I said. There is a frontal assault occurring on our
constitutional right to free speech. We brought this suit because of our
belief that this Administrations attempt to suppress free speech is a
greater threat to the long-term integrity of this nation than ten Osama
bin Ladens.

Reichle did not return my call for comment. Nor did he respond to The
New York Times in its article on this incident.

Lon Garner, special agent in charge at the Secret Services Denver
office, says he has no reaction to the lawsuit. Its in litigation, he
says. We have no comment.

Before his encounter with Cheney, Howards says he had a clean record.

I was never arrested before, he says. I dont have so much as a speeding
ticket.

I applaud his ability to remain calm in his words to Cheney. At the very
least, I think I'd have to tell ol' ***** to go ***** himself.

I'm thinking the same thing. If I got close to Cheney, I'd have a lot
more to say, in no uncertain terms, that even he could understand.

But as I mentioned when I posted another related story earlier, I'm sure the
founders of the country are proud of what we've become. Dissent is now
un-American. And yet dissent is what our country was initially founded
upon.

I don't get it. It's not like the guy tried to do anything except make a
comment, and a fairly mild one at that. Cheney should have just ignored
him or said something like "Thank you. Have a nice day" and kept on
walking. There was absolutely no need to sic the Secret Service on him.
It appears that ***** was just being a *****.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.

User: "stoney"
Title: Re: Criticizing VP Cheney to His Face Is Assault?	10 Oct 2006 12:27:15 AM

On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 22:28:34 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

In article <4omifmFfao41U1@individual.net>,
"G-Ride" <gride42nospam@yahoo.com> wrote:

"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-C19042.23424405102006@news.giganews.com...

Free speech? We don't need no stinkin' free speech.

---
Published on Thursday, October 5, 2006 by The Progressive

Criticizing Cheney to His Face Is Assault?
by Matthew Rothschild

[]

The peasent insulted the {ig}noble ***** and must be made an example of.
The peasent should have been grateful he wasn't rendered out of the
country and eventually to reside in the Gitmo Hilton.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.

User: "stoney"
Title: Re: Criticizing VP Cheney to His Face Is Assault?	10 Oct 2006 12:24:44 AM

On Thu, 5 Oct 2006 22:29:41 -1000, "G-Ride" <gride42nospam@yahoo.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-C19042.23424405102006@news.giganews.com...

Free speech? We don't need no stinkin' free speech.

---
Published on Thursday, October 5, 2006 by The Progressive

Criticizing Cheney to His Face Is Assault?
by Matthew Rothschild

[]

But the Secret Service did not take kindly to his comment.About ten
minutes later, I came back through the mall with my eight-year-old son
in tow, Howards recalls, and this Secret Service man came out of the
shadows, and his exact words were, Did you assault the Vice President?

Heres how Howards says he responded: No, but I did tell Mr. Cheney the
way I felt about the war in Iraq, and if Mr. Cheney wants to be shielded
from public criticism, he should avoid public places. If exercising my
constitutional rights to free speech is against the law, then you should
arrest me.

Which is just what the agent, Virgil D. Gus Reichle Jr, proceeded to do.

He grabbed me and cuffed my hands behind my back in the presence of my
eight-year-old son and told me I was being charged with assault of the
Vice President,Howards recalls.

He says he told the agent, I cant abandon my eight-year-old son in a
public mall.

According to Howards, Reichle responded: Well call Social Services.
Before that could happen, however, my son ran away and found my wife,
who was nearby, Howards says.

First of all, I was scared, Howard recalls. They wouldnt tell my wife
where they were taking me. Second of all, I was incredulous this could
be happening in the United States of America. This is what I read about
happening in Tiananmen Square. They hauled me away to Eagle County jail
and kept me with my hands cuffed behind my back for three hours.

At the jail, the charge against him was reduced to harassment, he says,
and he was released on $500 bond. The Eagle County DAs office eventually
dropped that charge.

On October 3, Howards sued Reichle for depriving him of his First
Amendment right of free speech and his Fourth Amendment right to be
protected from illegal seizure.

Howards and his attorney, David Lane, have not demanded a specific
dollar amount.

We will go to trial and let a Colorado jury decide what type of damages
are appropriate, says Howards. This isnt about anything I did. This
about what I said. There is a frontal assault occurring on our
constitutional right to free speech. We brought this suit because of our
belief that this Administrations attempt to suppress free speech is a
greater threat to the long-term integrity of this nation than ten Osama
bin Ladens.

Reichle did not return my call for comment. Nor did he respond to The
New York Times in its article on this incident.

Lon Garner, special agent in charge at the Secret Services Denver
office, says he has no reaction to the lawsuit. Its in litigation, he
says. We have no comment.

Before his encounter with Cheney, Howards says he had a clean record.

I was never arrested before, he says. I dont have so much as a speeding
ticket.

I applaud his ability to remain calm in his words to Cheney. At the very
least, I think I'd have to tell ol' ***** to go ***** himself.

But as I mentioned when I posted another related story earlier, I'm sure the
founders of the country are proud of what we've become. Dissent is now
un-American. And yet dissent is what our country was initially founded
upon.

But then a few short years later enacted the "Alien and Sedition Act"
which rendered dissent illegal.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.

User: "G-Ride"
Title: Re: Criticizing VP Cheney to His Face Is Assault?	10 Oct 2006 12:28:19 AM

"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:qvpli29an1poa7jqfeuspo3bej9tbu2jd2@4ax.com...

On Thu, 5 Oct 2006 22:29:41 -1000, "G-Ride" <gride42nospam@yahoo.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-C19042.23424405102006@news.giganews.com...

Free speech? We don't need no stinkin' free speech.

---
Published on Thursday, October 5, 2006 by The Progressive

Criticizing Cheney to His Face Is Assault?
by Matthew Rothschild

[]

shielded

from public criticism, he should avoid public places. If exercising my
constitutional rights to free speech is against the law, then you

should

arrest me.

Which is just what the agent, Virgil D. Gus Reichle Jr, proceeded to

do.

He grabbed me and cuffed my hands behind my back in the presence of my
eight-year-old son and told me I was being charged with assault of the
Vice President,Howards recalls.

He says he told the agent, I cant abandon my eight-year-old son in a
public mall.

According to Howards, Reichle responded: Well call Social Services.
Before that could happen, however, my son ran away and found my wife,
who was nearby, Howards says.

First of all, I was scared, Howard recalls. They wouldnt tell my wife
where they were taking me. Second of all, I was incredulous this could
be happening in the United States of America. This is what I read about
happening in Tiananmen Square. They hauled me away to Eagle County jail
and kept me with my hands cuffed behind my back for three hours.

At the jail, the charge against him was reduced to harassment, he says,
and he was released on $500 bond. The Eagle County DAs office

eventually

dropped that charge.

On October 3, Howards sued Reichle for depriving him of his First
Amendment right of free speech and his Fourth Amendment right to be
protected from illegal seizure.

Howards and his attorney, David Lane, have not demanded a specific
dollar amount.

We will go to trial and let a Colorado jury decide what type of damages
are appropriate, says Howards. This isnt about anything I did. This
about what I said. There is a frontal assault occurring on our
constitutional right to free speech. We brought this suit because of

our

belief that this Administrations attempt to suppress free speech is a
greater threat to the long-term integrity of this nation than ten Osama
bin Ladens.

Reichle did not return my call for comment. Nor did he respond to The
New York Times in its article on this incident.

Lon Garner, special agent in charge at the Secret Services Denver
office, says he has no reaction to the lawsuit. Its in litigation, he
says. We have no comment.

Before his encounter with Cheney, Howards says he had a clean record.

I was never arrested before, he says. I dont have so much as a speeding
ticket.

the

founders of the country are proud of what we've become. Dissent is now
un-American. And yet dissent is what our country was initially founded
upon.

But then a few short years later enacted the "Alien and Sedition Act"
which rendered dissent illegal.

Hey, you don't need to go around undermining my statements with facts. ;-)
I'd forgotten how quickly the US government decided it didn't like dissent
after all.
--
Aloha, G-Ride
The force that's forcing you to feel like busting up a Starbucks.
.

User: "stoney"
Title: Re: Criticizing VP Cheney to His Face Is Assault?	10 Oct 2006 11:46:59 PM

On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 14:28:19 -1000, "G-Ride" <gride42nospam@yahoo.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:qvpli29an1poa7jqfeuspo3bej9tbu2jd2@4ax.com...

On Thu, 5 Oct 2006 22:29:41 -1000, "G-Ride" <gride42nospam@yahoo.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

[]

the

founders of the country are proud of what we've become. Dissent is now
un-American. And yet dissent is what our country was initially founded
upon.

But then a few short years later enacted the "Alien and Sedition Act"
which rendered dissent illegal.

Hey, you don't need to go around undermining my statements with facts. ;-)

I'd forgotten how quickly the US government decided it didn't like dissent
after all.

Heh. If memory serves me right the Act was law in 1796.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.

User: *"nemo"*
Title: Re: OT: Criticizing VP Cheney to His Face Is Assault?	06 Oct 2006 09:20:07 AM

In article <jhachmann-C19042.23424405102006@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:

Initially, I walked past him. Then I said to myself, I cant in good
conscience let this opportunity pass by. So I approached him, I got
about two feet away, and I said in a very calm tone of voice, Your
policies in Iraq are reprehensible.

Sounds improbable. The most reclusive, guarded, paranoid man in the
world, walking in a mall, where some guy could just happen to stroll
past? I wonder if supporting documentation exists...
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
.

User: "G-Ride"
Title: Re: OT: Criticizing VP Cheney to His Face Is Assault?	06 Oct 2006 06:49:35 PM

"*nemo*" <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:nemo0037-25C4DF.05200706102006@news.west.earthlink.net...

In article <jhachmann-C19042.23424405102006@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:

Sounds improbable. The most reclusive, guarded, paranoid man in the
world, walking in a mall, where some guy could just happen to stroll
past? I wonder if supporting documentation exists...

There was this other story about it yesterday:
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5039230,00.html
or
http://tinyurl.com/o5ds9
--
Aloha, G-Ride
The force that's forcing you to feel like busting up a Starbucks.
.

User: *"nemo"*
Title: Re: OT: Criticizing VP Cheney to His Face Is Assault?	07 Oct 2006 01:33:27 AM

In article <4onmvlFf7ardU1@individual.net>,
"G-Ride" <gride42nospam@yahoo.com> wrote:

"*nemo*" <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:nemo0037-25C4DF.05200706102006@news.west.earthlink.net...

In article <jhachmann-C19042.23424405102006@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:

Sounds improbable. The most reclusive, guarded, paranoid man in the
world, walking in a mall, where some guy could just happen to stroll
past? I wonder if supporting documentation exists...

There was this other story about it yesterday:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5039230,00.
html

or

http://tinyurl.com/o5ds9

Huh. Interesting. Makes me wonder if the Matrix is indeed real.......
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
.

User: "johac"
Title: Re: OT: Criticizing VP Cheney to His Face Is Assault?	07 Oct 2006 05:22:29 AM

In article <nemo0037-BB1F95.21332506102006@news.west.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:

In article <4onmvlFf7ardU1@individual.net>,
"G-Ride" <gride42nospam@yahoo.com> wrote:

"*nemo*" <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:nemo0037-25C4DF.05200706102006@news.west.earthlink.net...

In article <jhachmann-C19042.23424405102006@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:

Sounds improbable. The most reclusive, guarded, paranoid man in the
world, walking in a mall, where some guy could just happen to stroll
past? I wonder if supporting documentation exists...

There was this other story about it yesterday:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5039230,0
0.
html

or

http://tinyurl.com/o5ds9

Huh. Interesting. Makes me wonder if the Matrix is indeed real.......

Here's one from the Denver Post:
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_4436043?source=rss
Since the charges were eventually dropped it seems that it got attention
only in the local news.
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User: "stoney"
Title: Re: OT: Criticizing VP Cheney to His Face Is Assault?	09 Oct 2006 12:59:56 AM

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:42:44 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

Free speech? We don't need no stinkin' free speech.

---
Published on Thursday, October 5, 2006 by The Progressive

Criticizing Cheney to His Face Is Assault?
by Matthew Rothschild

Why, yes. It is not the place of the peasent to criticize nobility.
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User: "johac"
Title: Re: OT: Criticizing VP Cheney to His Face Is Assault?	09 Oct 2006 05:10:54 AM

In article <bl7ji21dckgtkdogr5unpbce7kv7fdk6ui@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:42:44 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

Free speech? We don't need no stinkin' free speech.

---
Published on Thursday, October 5, 2006 by The Progressive

Criticizing Cheney to His Face Is Assault?
by Matthew Rothschild

Why, yes. It is not the place of the peasent to criticize nobility.

[]

I believe that in the old days, they used to call that 'lese majeste'.
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/lese%20majeste
lese-majeste
One entry found for lese-majest.
Main Entry: lese-ma?jes?t
Variant(s): or lese maj?es?ty /"lAz-'ma-j&-stE, "lez-, "lEz-/
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French lese majest, from Latin laesa majestas,
literally, injured majesty
1 a : a crime (as treason) committed against a sovereign power b : an
offense violating the dignity of a ruler as the representative of a
sovereign power
2 : a detraction from or affront to dignity or importance
---
We'd better get used to hearing that term again.
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User: "stoney"
Title: Re: OT: Criticizing VP Cheney to His Face Is Assault?	10 Oct 2006 12:28:12 AM

On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 22:10:54 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

In article <bl7ji21dckgtkdogr5unpbce7kv7fdk6ui@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:42:44 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

Free speech? We don't need no stinkin' free speech.

---
Published on Thursday, October 5, 2006 by The Progressive

Criticizing Cheney to His Face Is Assault?
by Matthew Rothschild

Why, yes. It is not the place of the peasent to criticize nobility.

[]

I believe that in the old days, they used to call that 'lese majeste'.

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/lese%20majeste

lese-majeste

One entry found for lese-majest.
Main Entry: lese-ma?jes?t
Variant(s): or lese maj?es?ty /"lAz-'ma-j&-stE, "lez-, "lEz-/
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French lese majest, from Latin laesa majestas,
literally, injured majesty
1 a : a crime (as treason) committed against a sovereign power b : an
offense violating the dignity of a ruler as the representative of a
sovereign power
2 : a detraction from or affront to dignity or importance

---

We'd better get used to hearing that term again.

That's the term I couldn't think of.
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User: "johac"
Title: Re: OT: Criticizing VP Cheney to His Face Is Assault?	10 Oct 2006 05:34:25 AM

In article <c8qli25iico99gutlronch3dgui06nvi2u@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 22:10:54 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

In article <bl7ji21dckgtkdogr5unpbce7kv7fdk6ui@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:42:44 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

Free speech? We don't need no stinkin' free speech.

---
Published on Thursday, October 5, 2006 by The Progressive

Criticizing Cheney to His Face Is Assault?
by Matthew Rothschild

Why, yes. It is not the place of the peasent to criticize nobility.

[]

I believe that in the old days, they used to call that 'lese majeste'.

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/lese%20majeste

lese-majeste

One entry found for lese-majest.
Main Entry: lese-ma?jes?t
Variant(s): or lese maj?es?ty /"lAz-'ma-j&-stE, "lez-, "lEz-/
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French lese majest, from Latin laesa majestas,
literally, injured majesty
1 a : a crime (as treason) committed against a sovereign power b : an
offense violating the dignity of a ruler as the representative of a
sovereign power
2 : a detraction from or affront to dignity or importance

---

We'd better get used to hearing that term again.

That's the term I couldn't think of.

We must respect King Chimp and his court.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.

User: "stoney"
Title: Re: OT: Criticizing VP Cheney to His Face Is Assault?	10 Oct 2006 11:47:34 PM

On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 22:34:25 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

In article <c8qli25iico99gutlronch3dgui06nvi2u@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 22:10:54 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

In article <bl7ji21dckgtkdogr5unpbce7kv7fdk6ui@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:42:44 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

Free speech? We don't need no stinkin' free speech.

---
Published on Thursday, October 5, 2006 by The Progressive

Criticizing Cheney to His Face Is Assault?
by Matthew Rothschild

Why, yes. It is not the place of the peasent to criticize nobility.

[]

I believe that in the old days, they used to call that 'lese majeste'.

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/lese%20majeste

lese-majeste

One entry found for lese-majest.
Main Entry: lese-ma?jes?t
Variant(s): or lese maj?es?ty /"lAz-'ma-j&-stE, "lez-, "lEz-/
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French lese majest, from Latin laesa majestas,
literally, injured majesty
1 a : a crime (as treason) committed against a sovereign power b : an
offense violating the dignity of a ruler as the representative of a
sovereign power
2 : a detraction from or affront to dignity or importance

---

We'd better get used to hearing that term again.

That's the term I couldn't think of.

We must respect King Chimp and his court.

DIS!
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
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User: "johac"
Title: Re: OT: Criticizing VP Cheney to His Face Is Assault?	11 Oct 2006 04:55:12 AM

In article <d8coi2122m40lnuarba54co2ikmst1rja1@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote: