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"Andres64" |
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27 Aug 2005 01:17:35 PM |
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OT: Distant galaxies... |
I know that I've seen this covered before, but I can't remember what
the explanation was. So, if we're seeing galaxies that are billions of
light years away, shouldn't they be billions of years old? Then why do
they look complete and formed like our galaxy and the other around us?
Thanks
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| User: "GoDrex" |
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| Title: Re: Distant galaxies... |
27 Aug 2005 03:48:55 PM |
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"Andres64" <andresc64@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1125166655.002161.117040@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I know that I've seen this covered before, but I can't remember what
the explanation was. So, if we're seeing galaxies that are billions of
light years away, shouldn't they be billions of years old? Then why do
they look complete and formed like our galaxy and the other around us?
Thanks
different billions probably...
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| User: "Walking on Glass" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Distant galaxies... |
27 Aug 2005 05:32:03 PM |
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And lo, it came to pass that did attempt to escape
burning at the stake, by proclaiming in alt.atheism:
I know that I've seen this covered before, but I can't remember what
the explanation was. So, if we're seeing galaxies that are billions of
light years away, shouldn't they be billions of years old? Then why do
they look complete and formed like our galaxy and the other around us?
Because galaxies have been a feature of the Universe for most of its
existence. The first galaxies formed sometime within the first 2 billion
years, so we should see them out to least 12 billion light years.
--
Stuart
AA #2053
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Distant galaxies... |
29 Aug 2005 08:51:06 AM |
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Andres64 wrote:
I know that I've seen this covered before, but I can't remember what
the explanation was. So, if we're seeing galaxies that are billions of
light years away, shouldn't they be billions of years old?
Yup.
Then why do
they look complete and formed like our galaxy and the other around us?
"Complete"? Galaxies were one of the first structures in the universe,
before even stars, as it is the coalescing of a galaxy that compresses gas
in to the smaller structures. It is no surprise at all that by the time
stars began to shine, galaxies were already maturing.
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Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking,
which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy."
- Robert Anton Wilson
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| User: "Uncle Buck" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Distant galaxies... |
27 Aug 2005 06:52:26 PM |
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On 27 Aug 2005 11:17:35 -0700, "Andres64" <andresc64@excite.com>
wrote:
I know that I've seen this covered before, but I can't remember what
the explanation was. So, if we're seeing galaxies that are billions of
light years away, shouldn't they be billions of years old? Then why do
they look complete and formed like our galaxy and the other around us?
1 - A large number of htem don't look "complete and formed" (What does
that mean, anyway? How do you know a galaxy is "done"? Does it stop
swirling?);
and
2 - we're still not completely sure what our galaxy even looks like,
though we've a far better clue than we did when the fundies were in
controll.
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L8r,
Uncle Buck
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themselves." - Me
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Distant galaxies... |
01 Sep 2005 06:31:06 PM |
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On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:52:26 -0700, Uncle Buck
<UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
On 27 Aug 2005 11:17:35 -0700, "Andres64" <andresc64@excite.com>
wrote:
I know that I've seen this covered before, but I can't remember what
the explanation was. So, if we're seeing galaxies that are billions of
light years away, shouldn't they be billions of years old? Then why do
they look complete and formed like our galaxy and the other around us?
1 - A large number of htem don't look "complete and formed" (What does
that mean, anyway? How do you know a galaxy is "done"? Does it stop
swirling?);
Yes, when it exits the bowl and is in the drain pipe.....
and
2 - we're still not completely sure what our galaxy even looks like,
though we've a far better clue than we did when the fundies were in
controll.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Distant galaxies... |
29 Aug 2005 07:50:30 AM |
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On 27 Aug 2005 11:17:35 -0700, in alt.atheism , "Andres64"
<andresc64@excite.com> in
<1125166655.002161.117040@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
I know that I've seen this covered before, but I can't remember what
the explanation was. So, if we're seeing galaxies that are billions of
light years away, shouldn't they be billions of years old? Then why do
they look complete and formed like our galaxy and the other around us?
Actually, they tend to look "younger", but galaxies can live for a
very long time. A galaxy a billion years younger than ours is not
going to look particularly different. Andromeda is "only" 2 million
light years away, that is not particularly far nor is 2 million years
all that much younger for a galaxy. The stuff we see from very far
away, to the extent we can make out the details, does look different
and younger.
http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/newsdesk/archive/releases/1996/29/image/a
It is true that the early Universe looked somewhat younger than
expected. That does not mean it looked just as old as the current,
just that galaxies and such formed earlier than people had thought.
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=14524
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/050314_starved_galaxies.html
--
Matt Silberstein
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