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Topic:	Religions > Atheism
User:	"stoney"
Date:	23 Jun 2005 09:57:35 AM
Object:	OT: End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions

http://www.detnews.com/2005/editorial/0506/12/A15-212350.htm
Sunday, June 12, 2005
End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions
By Nolan Finley / The Detroit News
Faced with two bad choices, I'd druther kids celebrate their 21st
birthdays with a bag of pot than by pouring 21 shots of cheap liquor
down their gullets.
Again, both are poor choices. But a poor choice made with alcohol is
far more lethal than one made with marijuana.
Binge drinking, drunken driving and booze-induced recklessness
continue to leave empty seats in college and high school classrooms.
Marijuana has its own set of negatives, but it is rarely directly
connected to a teen death.
And yet we treat marijuana as public enemy No. 1 when it comes to
children. At the same time, we welcome a stream of beer commercials
into our homes and don't blink when liquor companies sponsor spring
break blowouts.
Parents who roll their eyes and giggle when young Johnny stumbles home
tipsy go into complete despair when they find a baggie in a dresser
drawer.
It's a very expensive hypocrisy. State and federal governments spend
$8 billion a year on the war on marijuana.
The latest education campaign will spend another $125 million to
convince children that pot will rot their brains.
We should save our money. Teen pot use is as cyclical as the auto
industry. Some decades it goes up, some it goes down, with no
correlation to spending on anti-drug programs.
Nearly 40 percent of teens say they've tried marijuana, the same
percentage as the general population. While hopefully teens understand
that pot isn't good for them, they know first-hand that it is no more
harmful -- and perhaps less so -- than loading up on vodka.
Trying to convince them otherwise will just make them ignore warnings
about the more dangerous drugs.
Before dismissing me as a leftover '60s pothead, let me say I have no
interest in marijuana, even if it were legal.
But I am a taxpayer who expects a return on his investment. The drug
war is delivering none.
Nobel Prize winner Milton Friedman joined 500 respected economists
last week in endorsing a Harvard University study that said federal
and state governments could realize a $14 billion gain by regulating
and taxing marijuana as a legal product.
There is a growing acceptance that this war is not only unwinnable, it
is irrational.
Despite spending $35 billion a year to battle illegal narcotics, drug
use here is about the same as in the European countries with more
liberal drug laws.
But still we fight on. Last week, the U.S. Supreme Court handed a
major victory to drug warriors by declaring federal authorities can
prosecute those who grow and use marijuana for medical purposes.
The ruling fits the national ideology that in the name of the drug
war, the Constitution can be tossed on the garbage heap.
But nothing will keep desperate people from seeking relief, or teens
from experimenting.
The war against pot is lost.
Surrendering isn't a defeat. It simply ends our national hypocrisy and
leaves more money for more pressing battles.
Nolan Finley is editorial page editor of The News. Reach him at
nfinley@detnews.com or (313) 222-2064.
© 2005 The Detroit News
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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User: "Denis Loubet"
Title: Re: End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions	23 Jun 2005 10:13:46 AM

"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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http://www.detnews.com/2005/editorial/0506/12/A15-212350.htm

Sunday, June 12, 2005

End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions

Yup!
Booze, pot, it's all the same to me.
I personally don't toke or drink, but I respect the rights of others to toke
and drink.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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User: ""
Title: Re: OT: End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions	24 Jun 2005 12:36:20 AM

On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:57:35 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

Marijuana isn't a bad choice, unless the user decides she/he doesn't
like it. It's easy to stop unlike tobacco and alcohol.

Again, both are poor choices. But a poor choice made with alcohol is
far more lethal than one made with marijuana.

Binge drinking, drunken driving and booze-induced recklessness
continue to leave empty seats in college and high school classrooms.

Marijuana has its own set of negatives, but it is rarely directly
connected to a teen death.

Marijuana hasn't been the direct cause of any death. The dichotomy of
the anti-drug campaign which equates it with the dangerous drugs
causes confusion: once someone tries marijuana, he/she finds it has no
"down side" as to hangovers and withdrawal. Now the anti-drug message
is nonsense to them so they try cocaine, heroin and all kinds of
potent pills, some legal, some not. That's how the progression to
dangerous drugs occurs.
BTW *everything you can buy in the drug aisles of America's drug
supermarkets - CVS, RITE-AID, Walgreens, etc has a higher mortality
rate than marijuana, not to mention side affects.
How can tobacco, a known, proven killer, and alcohol, not much better,
be legal while marijuana users are treated like murderers? Repeat that
in your mind, please!
Here's for you "just say no" people: Don't smoke it! Don't tell us not
to.

And yet we treat marijuana as public enemy No. 1 when it comes to
children. At the same time, we welcome a stream of beer commercials
into our homes and don't blink when liquor companies sponsor spring
break blowouts.

Parents who roll their eyes and giggle when young Johnny stumbles home
tipsy go into complete despair when they find a baggie in a dresser
drawer.

It's a very expensive hypocrisy. State and federal governments spend
$8 billion a year on the war on marijuana.

The latest education campaign will spend another $125 million to
convince children that pot will rot their brains.

We should save our money. Teen pot use is as cyclical as the auto
industry. Some decades it goes up, some it goes down, with no
correlation to spending on anti-drug programs.

Nearly 40 percent of teens say they've tried marijuana, the same
percentage as the general population. While hopefully teens understand
that pot isn't good for them, they know first-hand that it is no more
harmful -- and perhaps less so -- than loading up on vodka.

Trying to convince them otherwise will just make them ignore warnings
about the more dangerous drugs.

Yes. The dichotomy of mixed truth from the government is at fault.

Before dismissing me as a leftover '60s pothead, let me say I have no
interest in marijuana, even if it were legal.

But I am a taxpayer who expects a return on his investment. The drug
war is delivering none.

By far most marijuana smokers are also taxpayers with good jobs and
they contribute positively to the community. Why jail them, making
them a debt - people that, rotting in jail, may consider revenge on
society when they're released?
Consider this legalization scenario: Let's say a good ounce costs
$500.00. I don't know how much of the $8billion/year that ounce took
from the drug war cost, but imagine if it were legal, tobacco
companies could quickly convert their crops, sell packs of 20 joints
for $20, city state and fed taxes could be $10, making it $50 a pack.
Think of the positive effects THAT would have on the economy!!
And think of how many cops would be freed up to combat REAL crime!!
(Actually I think that's one item that is high up on their fear list)
And for those who don't like marijuana, the smokers are already
trained to keep it out of your face, so don't expect to suddenly be
awash in smoke and stoned people. Still, if you don't like it, don't
smoke it.

Nobel Prize winner Milton Friedman joined 500 respected economists
last week in endorsing a Harvard University study that said federal
and state governments could realize a $14 billion gain by regulating
and taxing marijuana as a legal product.

There is a growing acceptance that this war is not only unwinnable, it
is irrational.

Despite spending $35 billion a year to battle illegal narcotics, drug
use here is about the same as in the European countries with more
liberal drug laws.

But still we fight on. Last week, the U.S. Supreme Court handed a
major victory to drug warriors by declaring federal authorities can
prosecute those who grow and use marijuana for medical purposes.

The ruling fits the national ideology that in the name of the drug
war, the Constitution can be tossed on the garbage heap.

But nothing will keep desperate people from seeking relief, or teens
from experimenting.

The war against pot is lost.

Surrendering isn't a defeat. It simply ends our national hypocrisy and
leaves more money for more pressing battles.

Nolan Finley is editorial page editor of The News. Reach him at
nfinley@detnews.com or (313) 222-2064.

© 2005 The Detroit News

TheRain
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User: "R. Pierce Butler"
Title: Re: OT: End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions	24 Jun 2005 01:31:53 AM

wrote in news:du4nb11pae8ui0fi56mbpm7elt42e8rhke@4ax.com:

On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:57:35 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

http://www.detnews.com/2005/editorial/0506/12/A15-212350.htm

Sunday, June 12, 2005

End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions

http://www.amenclinic.com/bp/atlas/ch15.php
as compared to a normal scan
http://www.amenclinic.com/bp/atlas/ch2.php
http://www.brain-spect.com/SPECTscans/marijuana.htm
as opposed to a normal scan
http://www.brain-spect.com/SPECTscans/Normtrans.htm
Don't believe the lies. Pot messes with your brain, severely.
rj
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User: "Larry Heath"
Title: Re: OT: End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions	24 Jun 2005 05:21:13 PM

"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
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TheRain@storm.net wrote in
news:du4nb11pae8ui0fi56mbpm7elt42e8rhke@4ax.com:

On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:57:35 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

http://www.detnews.com/2005/editorial/0506/12/A15-212350.htm

Sunday, June 12, 2005

End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions

http://www.amenclinic.com/bp/atlas/ch15.php
as compared to a normal scan
http://www.amenclinic.com/bp/atlas/ch2.php

http://www.brain-spect.com/SPECTscans/marijuana.htm
as opposed to a normal scan
http://www.brain-spect.com/SPECTscans/Normtrans.htm

Don't believe the lies. Pot messes with your brain, severely.

rj

The brain scans were discovered to be a hoax. Why do you think the
commercial that used these was pulled so quickly. The second scan was
actually that of a comatose patient. Not somebody smoking dope.
What really messes with your brain is being terminally gullible, as it seem
in your case.
You might also note that the only way to get to the prorated marijuana scan
is a direct link into the site. You can't access the link from the sites top
page, why do you think that is.
Also why this disclaimer?
Dr. Kohn acknowledges that the interpretations and displays of all material
seen on this site are subject to a wide disagreement in the nuclear medicine
and psychiatric community. These images and their application to the
diagnosis and treatment are subject to the private practice of Dr. Kohn.
There is NO one simple "Signature Pattern" of a specific diagnosis! per Dr.
Kohn
In other words most everyone disagrees with dear Dr. Kohn about a lot of
things, not the least of which is what the supposed marijuana scan is or
means.
It appears Dr. Kohn has himself a money making machine and he knows how to
use it, to make money. Diagnosis are anyone's guess.
Later Larry
aa # 2216
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User: "R. Pierce Butler"
Title: Re: OT: End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions	25 Jun 2005 01:13:50 AM

"Larry Heath" <lgheath@comcast.net> wrote in
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"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
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TheRain@storm.net wrote in
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On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:57:35 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

http://www.detnews.com/2005/editorial/0506/12/A15-212350.htm

Sunday, June 12, 2005

End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions

http://www.amenclinic.com/bp/atlas/ch15.php
as compared to a normal scan
http://www.amenclinic.com/bp/atlas/ch2.php

http://www.brain-spect.com/SPECTscans/marijuana.htm
as opposed to a normal scan
http://www.brain-spect.com/SPECTscans/Normtrans.htm

Don't believe the lies. Pot messes with your brain, severely.

rj

What are you talking about? I can easily access the images from the main
page of both sites. Would you like a simple roadmap?

Also why this disclaimer?

Dr. Kohn acknowledges that the interpretations and displays of all
material seen on this site are subject to a wide disagreement in the
nuclear medicine and psychiatric community. These images and their
application to the diagnosis and treatment are subject to the private
practice of Dr. Kohn.

There is NO one simple "Signature Pattern" of a specific diagnosis! per
Dr. Kohn

You are trying to read more into what is being said here. What is
debateable is how a spect scan helps in diagnosis and treatment. One
typically cannot point to a spect scan and say "look pot smoker", but one
can see that the brain activiy is anything but normal.

In other words most everyone disagrees with dear Dr. Kohn about a lot of
things, not the least of which is what the supposed marijuana scan is or
means.

It appears Dr. Kohn has himself a money making machine and he knows how
to use it, to make money. Diagnosis are anyone's guess.

Later Larry
aa # 2216

I really think you should examine the evidence a bit more carefully. The
evidence for memory problems, personality changes, and more is not
insignificant.
Gulliblity is not the issue and while is a nice diversionary tactic, the
discussion is not about me now is it?
Personally I think you are believing the pro-pot lies.
Full legalization without any restictions for use will not ever happen and
that is a good thing.
Having said that, I can find no reason why a MD should be restriced in his
choice of drug therapy for his patients.
I have seen pot ***** up so many young people that it is sad. You can
believe what you want, but find a student that went from 'A' to 'D' and
'F' in one quarter and in the overwhelming majority of cases, pot is the
reason.
I have done pot, as well as other drugs, so don't try and use the excuse
that I don't know what I am talking about. I have been there, done that,
got the t-shirt, wore it out, used it to polish the car, and finally threw
it away. I know what pot does and it is remarkable just how much it
effects you and effects you badly.
The war on drugs is another excuse for the removal of personal privacy,
liberty, and more. I am not sure how exactly I would handle the issue if I
were president, but I assure you that a great many people would be freed.
rj
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User: "Vic Sagerquist"
Title: Re: OT: End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions	23 Jun 2005 01:36:16 PM

on 23 Jun 2005 in alt.atheism, stoney dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:

Marijuana has its own set of negatives, but it is rarely directly
connected to a teen death.

Yup. It's very high in tar, so emphysema is a possibility, aslong with
lung cancer, but it takes years to develop these diseases in most cases.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
.

User: "Tak"
Title: Re: OT: End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions	23 Jun 2005 03:28:56 PM

On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:36:16 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:

on 23 Jun 2005 in alt.atheism, stoney dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:

Marijuana has its own set of negatives, but it is rarely directly
connected to a teen death.

Yup. It's very high in tar, so emphysema is a possibility, aslong with
lung cancer, but it takes years to develop these diseases in most cases.

Bad test results based o fraudulent data.
the goverment test behind that included smoking stems and seeds. You
everr know anyone who smoked stems and seeds? : /
Leaves or buds and a water pipe like a grafix, and you have far LESS
tar than tobacco.
"BTW never smoked it myself"
Tak
a#344
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User: "Jez"
Title: Re: OT: End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions	23 Jun 2005 04:30:15 PM

Tak <null@null.com> wrote in
news:ol6mb1hflke1sdgotqo1pnlotulhvedjol@4ax.com:

On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:36:16 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:

on 23 Jun 2005 in alt.atheism, stoney dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:

Marijuana has its own set of negatives, but it is rarely directly
connected to a teen death.

Yup. It's very high in tar, so emphysema is a possibility, aslong
with lung cancer, but it takes years to develop these diseases in most
cases.

Bad test results based o fraudulent data.

the goverment test behind that included smoking stems and seeds. You
everr know anyone who smoked stems and seeds? : /

Indeed ! They also don't go into the huge differences between different
strains. Ignorant government shrills.

Leaves or buds and a water pipe like a grafix, and you have far LESS
tar than tobacco.

"BTW never smoked it myself"

:)
--
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn

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User: "Mark"
Title: Re: OT: End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions	23 Jun 2005 08:44:46 PM

Tak <null@null.com> wrote in
news:ol6mb1hflke1sdgotqo1pnlotulhvedjol@4ax.com:

You everr know anyone who smoked stems and seeds? : /

commander cody?
--
Mark
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User: "Vic Sagerquist"
Title: Re: OT: End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions	23 Jun 2005 09:31:10 PM

On 23 Jun 2005, Mark dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:

Tak <null@null.com> wrote in
news:ol6mb1hflke1sdgotqo1pnlotulhvedjol@4ax.com:

You everr know anyone who smoked stems and seeds? : /

commander cody?

I thought maybe that was Clinton's next line...
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
Lovingly plonked by Roger Pearse
______________
"I'm sickened by all religions. Religion has divided people. I don't think
there's any difference between the pope wearing a large hat and parading
around with a smoking purse and an African painting his face white and
praying to a rock."
[Howard Stern]
.

User: ""
Title: Re: OT: End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions	24 Jun 2005 12:48:01 AM

On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:36:16 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:

on 23 Jun 2005 in alt.atheism, stoney dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:

Marijuana has its own set of negatives, but it is rarely directly
connected to a teen death.

Yup. It's very high in tar, so emphysema is a possibility, aslong with
lung cancer, but it takes years to develop these diseases in most cases.

Not really. You may have had a different reaction assuming you've
tried pot and tobacco.
I can tell you from my personal experience that tobacco must be
thousands of times worse than pot for any part of the body that
processes air. My friends who've smoked both pot and tobacco have the
same response: tobacco bad, pot good. This assumes that one succeeds
in obtaining decent or high quality pot: there is a lot of junk out
there but that junk is still better than tobacco.
My reading about the smoke dangers of pot is that it affects only the
large air passage as opposed to the intricate innards of the lungs as
tobacco does. This is a minor drawback, and devices to vaporize rather
than burn pot to ingest it are available, bypassing *that* problem.
Another factor with pot is that the better it is the less of it you
actually breathe in. So, instead of 20 tobacco cigs in a day, one
smokes far less pot than that.
TheRain
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User: "Jez"
Title: Re: OT: End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions	23 Jun 2005 02:05:20 PM

Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote in
news:Xns967E76236E0D4vicman@127.0.0.1:

on 23 Jun 2005 in alt.atheism, stoney dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:

Marijuana has its own set of negatives, but it is rarely directly
connected to a teen death.

Yup. It's very high in tar, so emphysema is a possibility, aslong
with lung cancer, but it takes years to develop these diseases in most
cases.

LOL !
Where'd you learn that non-sense ?
--
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn

.

User: "Vic Sagerquist"
Title: Re: OT: End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions	23 Jun 2005 08:12:34 PM

On 23 Jun 2005, Jez dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:

Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote in
news:Xns967E76236E0D4vicman@127.0.0.1:

on 23 Jun 2005 in alt.atheism, stoney dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:

Marijuana has its own set of negatives, but it is rarely directly
connected to a teen death.

Yup. It's very high in tar, so emphysema is a possibility, aslong
with lung cancer, but it takes years to develop these diseases in most
cases.

LOL !

Where'd you learn that non-sense ?

You didn't actually think smoking was *safe* did you?
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
Lovingly plonked by Roger Pearse
______________
"I'm sickened by all religions. Religion has divided people. I don't
think there's any difference between the pope wearing a large hat and
parading around with a smoking purse and an African painting his face
white and praying to a rock."
[Howard Stern]
.

User: "Jez"
Title: Re: OT: End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions	24 Jun 2005 12:12:32 AM

Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote in
news:Xns967EB96A0B3A4vicman@216.196.97.136:

On 23 Jun 2005, Jez dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:

Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote in
news:Xns967E76236E0D4vicman@127.0.0.1:

on 23 Jun 2005 in alt.atheism, stoney dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:

Marijuana has its own set of negatives, but it is rarely directly
connected to a teen death.

Yup. It's very high in tar, so emphysema is a possibility, aslong
with lung cancer, but it takes years to develop these diseases in
most cases.

LOL !

Where'd you learn that non-sense ?

You didn't actually think smoking was *safe* did you?

My younger brother used to smoke it to help his asthma.
Safe ? Kinda loaded term that isn't it ?
--
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'- Howard Zinn

.

User: "Vic Sagerquist"
Title: Re: OT: End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions	24 Jun 2005 10:46:12 AM

on 23 Jun 2005 in alt.atheism, Jez dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:

You didn't actually think smoking was *safe* did you?

My younger brother used to smoke it to help his asthma.

Safe ? Kinda loaded term that isn't it ?

Maybe. I used to smoke it. I used to smoke cigars too - unlike Clinton I
inhaled both. I quit smoking about 4 years ago, and I've noticed I cannot
sing like I used to be able to - I don't have the working lung capacity
any more. Maybe it takes more air pressure to get the vocal cords
working, I don't know. I have difficulty swallowing sometimes. And I
have a short coughing spell every morning when I get up, and every time I
laugh hard.
Maybe the short term effects of smoking are desireable. I smoked
cigarettes all night once to calm a throat tickle that was making me cough
constantly - it worked. But the long term effects have taken their toll,
and they are irreversable. Pot smoke is made of the same stuff as
cigarette and cigar smoke, it's the only method and frequency of smoking
that differs. Smoke inhalation is the leading cause of death in house
fires. It just isn't good for you.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
.

User: ""
Title: Re: OT: End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions	25 Jun 2005 12:14:04 AM

On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:46:12 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:

on 23 Jun 2005 in alt.atheism, Jez dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:

You didn't actually think smoking was *safe* did you?

My younger brother used to smoke it to help his asthma.

Safe ? Kinda loaded term that isn't it ?

Maybe. I used to smoke it. I used to smoke cigars too - unlike Clinton I
inhaled both. I quit smoking about 4 years ago, and I've noticed I cannot
sing like I used to be able to - I don't have the working lung capacity
any more. Maybe it takes more air pressure to get the vocal cords
working, I don't know. I have difficulty swallowing sometimes. And I
have a short coughing spell every morning when I get up, and every time I
laugh hard.

Maybe the short term effects of smoking are desireable. I smoked
cigarettes all night once to calm a throat tickle that was making me cough
constantly - it worked. But the long term effects have taken their toll,
and they are irreversable. Pot smoke is made of the same stuff as
cigarette and cigar smoke, it's the only method and frequency of smoking
that differs. Smoke inhalation is the leading cause of death in house
fires. It just isn't good for you.

Ummmm, smoke inhalation differs with the type of smoke. In house fires
there are very poisonous toxins in the smoke, in tobacco there are
many unwanted irritants besides the awfully addictive nicotine, and in
properly grown clean pot there are few irritants, and the quantity of
smoke inhaled by a pot smoker is minimal compared to that of a tobacco
smoker.
Obviously smoke from a burning house isn't purposely inhaled but in
many instances is unavoidable and lethal. That can only be reduced by
smoke detectors, escape plans, fire prevention, etc.
Continued tobacco smoking is the result of a desire for the effect of
the nicotine. The smoke harms everything it contacts. Unfortunately,
nicotine is about *the most* addictive drug: it makes changes in the
brain that do not revert back to normal. Thus the tobacco smoker is
stuck even though the "high" is no longer nearly as good as when first
experienced. Even heroin withdrawal allows the brain to normalize.
(I quit tobacco in may 2002, my lungs went through various cycles but
finally cleared up, even with continued use of good pot)
Pot, when properly grown, delivers a good high that does not diminish
with usage. It takes a miniscule amount of smoke to do the job. The
smoke has fewer irritants than that of tobacco. Properly grown, the
active ingredient, THC, crystallizes on the surface, so the ratio of
active ingredient to inerts is way greater than that of anything else.
Notice that I continually refer to "good" or "properly grown" pot.
That is key. One must realize that there's a lot of ***** on the
streets that IS as bad for you as tobacco, and I've seen some that's
as bad as house smoke. That is another huge bad side effect of the war
on pot. So, in effect, the government's ban on pot makes dangerous pot
available, just as prohibition caused bad batches of booze that killed
people.
So, whether you like or dislike pot, there is an advantage to
decriminalizing it, freeing cops up to fight real crime, and
eliminating the dichotomy that prevents parents from having successful
talks about drugs with their children.
The non smokers therefore have good incentive to beg the government to
stop this insane war on pot.
TheRain
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User: "Jez"
Title: Re: OT: End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions	23 Jun 2005 02:06:47 PM

stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in news:ccjlb19j6no6dqgp5gu5lofubc4b3rq2d8@
4ax.com:

http://www.detnews.com/2005/editorial/0506/12/A15-212350.htm

Sunday, June 12, 2005

End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions

It will never happen, hemp simply has too many uses that undermine the
oil-based products.
http://www.illuminati-news.com/marijuana-conspiracy.htm
--
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn

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User: ""
Title: Re: OT: End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions	24 Jun 2005 12:52:25 AM

On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:06:47 -0500, Jez
<iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote:

stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in news:ccjlb19j6no6dqgp5gu5lofubc4b3rq2d8@
4ax.com:

http://www.detnews.com/2005/editorial/0506/12/A15-212350.htm

Sunday, June 12, 2005

End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions

It will never happen, hemp simply has too many uses that undermine the
oil-based products.

http://www.illuminati-news.com/marijuana-conspiracy.htm

That, in fact is the real reason.
That's why we must vote out the corporate people in every election.
Success won't happen in my lifetime, maybe not yours, but do it for
the children and to re-take this nation for we the people!!
Marijuana issues must come to the forefront in the public's perception
of people running for office.
TheRain
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User: "Del"
Title: Re: OT: End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions	24 Jun 2005 10:10:19 AM

wrote:

On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:06:47 -0500, Jez
<iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote:

stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in news:ccjlb19j6no6dqgp5gu5lofubc4b3rq2d8@
4ax.com:

http://www.detnews.com/2005/editorial/0 506/12/A15-212350.htm

Sunday, June 12, 2005

End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions

It will never happen, hemp simply has too many uses that undermine the
oil-based products.

http://www.illuminati-news.com/marijuana-conspiracy.htm

The site is a mixture of fact and speculation without much
distinction made about which is which. It has a really
unfortunate name too: lluminati-news

That, in fact is the real reason.

You may believe this, and it is even remotely possible
that it will turn out to be true. However it is _not_ a fact.
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User: "Del"
Title: Re: OT: End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions	24 Jun 2005 11:50:54 PM

A few years back Paul McCartney revealed that his
song "Got to Get You Into my Life" (from the Beatles
album "Revolver") was about pot. (The Beatles were
introduced to pot by Bob Dylan).
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User: "R. Pierce Butler"
Title: Re: OT: End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions	23 Jun 2005 07:04:44 PM

stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in news:ccjlb19j6no6dqgp5gu5lofubc4b3rq2d8@
4ax.com:

Personally i would rather see someone drink than smoke pot. Pot makes you
stupid as hell for a long time. Alchohol less so by a few orders of
magnitude.
rj
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User: "Jez"
Title: Re: OT: End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions	24 Jun 2005 12:14:19 AM

"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in
news:Xns967EC20F4C35Cmc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1:

stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:ccjlb19j6no6dqgp5gu5lofubc4b3rq2d8@ 4ax.com:

Personally i would rather see someone drink than smoke pot. Pot makes
you stupid as hell for a long time.

Clueless twat.
Alcohol kills, pot doesn't.
Simple fucking fact.
--
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn

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User: "R. Pierce Butler"
Title: Re: OT: End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions	24 Jun 2005 01:15:06 AM

Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in
news:Xns967F3F775EDB7hellward@216.196.109.145:

"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in
news:Xns967EC20F4C35Cmc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1:

stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:ccjlb19j6no6dqgp5gu5lofubc4b3rq2d8@ 4ax.com:

Personally i would rather see someone drink than smoke pot. Pot makes
you stupid as hell for a long time.

Clueless twat.

Alcohol kills, pot doesn't.
Simple fucking fact.

Alcohol doesn't kill, guns don't kill, people kill.
Pot makes one stupid and that is a fact and it makes one stupid for a long
time afterwards. Alcohol can too, but it is short lasting. For an example
of how pot makes one stupid read one of the pro-pot newsgroups. It is
rather sad and funny at the same time.
Now if a person is on permanent disability doing nothing and knows that it
makes them stupid and it doesn't matter, then fine.
Pot is not a good recreational drug as far as I am concerned. I have seen
what pot does first hand. It is not a pretty sight.
Short version: Stupid people don't realize they are stupid.
rj
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User: "Jez"
Title: Re: OT: End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions	30 Jun 2005 03:46:39 AM

"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in
news:Xns967FCB68B077mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1:

Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in
news:Xns967F3F775EDB7hellward@216.196.109.145:

"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in
news:Xns967EC20F4C35Cmc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1:

stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:ccjlb19j6no6dqgp5gu5lofubc4b3rq2d8@ 4ax.com:

Personally i would rather see someone drink than smoke pot. Pot
makes you stupid as hell for a long time.

Clueless twat.

Alcohol kills, pot doesn't.
Simple fucking fact.

Alcohol doesn't kill, guns don't kill, people kill.

Pot makes one stupid and that is a fact and it makes one stupid for a
long time afterwards.

It might make YOU stupid, but I managed to learn classical guitar while
using it.

Alcohol can too, but it is short lasting.

Nonsense alcohol actually destroys brain cells, cannabis doesn't.
It even kills cancer tumors, as the report the Nixon made showed, (Hence
the cover-up of the report!)

For
an example of how pot makes one stupid read one of the pro-pot
newsgroups. It is rather sad and funny at the same time.

Now if a person is on permanent disability doing nothing and knows
that it makes them stupid and it doesn't matter, then fine.

Pot is not a good recreational drug as far as I am concerned.

It's not a drug, it's a Herb.

I have
seen what pot does first hand. It is not a pretty sight.

Details ?

Short version: Stupid people don't realize they are stupid.

As you've just proved !
--
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn

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User: "R. Pierce Butler"
Title: Re: OT: End marijuana hypocrisy to save nation billions	30 Jun 2005 06:01:55 PM

Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in
news:Xns96856376C16E7hellward@216.196.109.145: