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28 Jun 2004 11:28:47 PM |
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Great Lord georgann <chenault@mindspring.com>, braving the raging
storm, scaled the mighty crag called alt.atheism on Tue, 29 Jun 2004
00:08:51 GMT and screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/weekends/
F 9/11 made $27,558 per screen
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/?yr=2004&wknd=26&p=.htm
According to the site georgann was kind enough to link to, this makes
Michael Moore's little film the second-best opening in history, right
behind Spiderman, based on per screen revenue.
Per screen is what the industry looks at. A film that opens on 3,000
screens but only fills 30% of the seats is actually doing worse than a
film that opens on 800 screens but sells-out. The second film has
better legs, and will keep making money as people come to see it.
Nice try!
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "georgann" |
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| Title: Re: OT: F911 not even in the top 70 opening weekends |
29 Jun 2004 07:28:57 AM |
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http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/weekends/
"Douglas Berry" wrote:
F 9/11 made $27,558 per screen
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/?yr=2004&wknd=26&p=.htm
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Per screen that's OK. But for an opening weekend that's to be expected.
Let's see how its fairing after a week.
"Douglas Berry" wrote:
According to the site georgann was kind enough to link to, this makes
Michael Moore's little film the second-best opening in history, right
behind Spiderman, based on per screen revenue.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
This particular opening weekend it didn't have much to go up against.
"Douglas Berry" wrote:
Per screen is what the industry looks at. A film that opens on 3,000
screens but only fills 30% of the seats is actually doing worse than a
film that opens on 800 screens but sells-out. The second film has
better legs, and will keep making money as people come to see it.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Give it a week or a month and then lets talk about total average per
theater.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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29 Jun 2004 09:42:04 AM |
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Great Lord georgann <chenault@mindspring.com>, braving the raging
storm, scaled the mighty crag called alt.atheism on Tue, 29 Jun 2004
12:28:57 GMT and screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/weekends/
"Douglas Berry" wrote:
F 9/11 made $27,558 per screen
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/?yr=2004&wknd=26&p=.htm
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Per screen that's OK. But for an opening weekend that's to be expected.
Let's see how its fairing after a week.
Considering that next weekend is already sold out at my local cinema,
you may be in for a shock.
"Douglas Berry" wrote:
According to the site georgann was kind enough to link to, this makes
Michael Moore's little film the second-best opening in history, right
behind Spiderman, based on per screen revenue.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
This particular opening weekend it didn't have much to go up against.
No, F 9/11 had the second best per screen opening in history. Doesn't
matter what the competition was. It had an amazing weekend.
"Douglas Berry" wrote:
Per screen is what the industry looks at. A film that opens on 3,000
screens but only fills 30% of the seats is actually doing worse than a
film that opens on 800 screens but sells-out. The second film has
better legs, and will keep making money as people come to see it.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Give it a week or a month and then lets talk about total average per
theater.
Ah, the backpeddle. Faced with facts, you change the attack.
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "quibbler" |
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30 Jun 2004 02:55:06 PM |
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In article <BD06D8C8.71C1%chenault@mindspring.com>,
chenault@mindspring.com says...
This particular opening weekend it didn't have much to go up against.
Yeah, it was up against some real light weights like:
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
The Day After Tomorrow
The Chronicles of Riddick
Shrek 2
Troy
White Chicks
Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story
Garfield: The Movie
The Stepford Wives
The Terminal
The Notebook
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "AngryJohn" |
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30 Jun 2004 10:07:06 PM |
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 13:55:06 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:
In article <BD06D8C8.71C1%chenault@mindspring.com>,
chenault@mindspring.com says...
This particular opening weekend it didn't have much to go up against.
Yeah, it was up against some real light weights like:
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
The Day After Tomorrow
The Chronicles of Riddick
Shrek 2
Troy
White Chicks
Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story
Garfield: The Movie
The Stepford Wives
The Terminal
The Notebook
She just cannot comprehend the fact that people want to see the other
side. ANything outside the government propaganda machine.
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| User: "quibbler" |
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28 Jun 2004 11:12:17 PM |
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In article <BD062B52.6B4A%chenault@mindspring.com>,
chenault@mindspring.com says...
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/weekends/
I love the way that repugs demonstrate that they have absolutely no
concept of economics. On a per screen basis F911 took in 3.5 times more
money than the next closest competitor. Gee, what should a theater do
if they want to maximize profit? Should they show some other film that
will make at least 3.5 times less money? Or should they get a clue and
show F911? The correct answer is that they should show F911 and rake in
the enormous profits from standing room only crowds.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Charles R Ward" |
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29 Jun 2004 10:49:40 PM |
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quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.1b4a9a0a8228141a989883@news.individual.net>...
In article <BD062B52.6B4A%chenault@mindspring.com>,
chenault@mindspring.com says...
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/weekends/
I love the way that repugs demonstrate that they have absolutely no
concept of economics. On a per screen basis F911 took in 3.5 times more
money than the next closest competitor. Gee, what should a theater do
if they want to maximize profit? Should they show some other film that
will make at least 3.5 times less money? Or should they get a clue and
show F911? The correct answer is that they should show F911 and rake in
the enormous profits from standing room only crowds.
I bought my ticket today to se it tomorrow. It's only showing at a
second run theatr in Cedar Rapids. So the price is only $4.
I told the girl at the ticket counter that I heard shows were
selling out, she agreed, and a nother person came in just after
me to buy tickets also for tomorrow.
Charles R Ward
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| User: "quibbler" |
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30 Jun 2004 09:33:49 AM |
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(Charles R Ward) wrote in message news:<6cbcdf55.0406291949.657ae5d@posting.google.com>...
I bought my ticket today to se it tomorrow. It's only showing at a
second run theatr in Cedar Rapids. So the price is only $4.
Sweet. For me the matinee was $6.25. But that's better than $8.50
for evening tickets.
I told the girl at the ticket counter that I heard shows were
selling out, she agreed, and a nother person came in just after
me to buy tickets also for tomorrow.
Moore tapped the thirst for truth in an America tired of right-wing,
corporate media pandering to Bush. Shockingly, it's looking like it's
necessary to go back to the days of newsreels so that Moore can get
the facts to a mass audience.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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30 Jun 2004 10:59:32 AM |
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(quibbler) wrote in
news:115e8d4.0406300633.1b044e93@posting.google.com:
crward@netins.net (Charles R Ward) wrote in message
news:<6cbcdf55.0406291949.657ae5d@posting.google.com>...
I bought my ticket today to se it tomorrow. It's only showing at a
second run theatr in Cedar Rapids. So the price is only $4.
Sweet. For me the matinee was $6.25. But that's better than $8.50
for evening tickets.
I told the girl at the ticket counter that I heard shows were
selling out, she agreed, and a nother person came in just after
me to buy tickets also for tomorrow.
Moore tapped the thirst for truth in an America tired of right-wing,
corporate media pandering to Bush. Shockingly, it's looking like it's
necessary to go back to the days of newsreels so that Moore can get
the facts to a mass audience.
"Truth" and "facts" and "Michael Moore" haven't been in the same room in
a decade.
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "Jeff Young" |
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30 Jun 2004 07:19:07 PM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message news:<Xns951879FFC8739fstone69@207.69.154.206>...
quibbler247@yahoo.com (quibbler) wrote in
news:115e8d4.0406300633.1b044e93@posting.google.com:
crward@netins.net (Charles R Ward) wrote in message
news:<6cbcdf55.0406291949.657ae5d@posting.google.com>...
I bought my ticket today to se it tomorrow. It's only showing at a
second run theatr in Cedar Rapids. So the price is only $4.
Sweet. For me the matinee was $6.25. But that's better than $8.50
for evening tickets.
I told the girl at the ticket counter that I heard shows were
selling out, she agreed, and a nother person came in just after
me to buy tickets also for tomorrow.
Moore tapped the thirst for truth in an America tired of right-wing,
corporate media pandering to Bush. Shockingly, it's looking like it's
necessary to go back to the days of newsreels so that Moore can get
the facts to a mass audience.
"Truth" and "facts" and "Michael Moore" haven't been in the same room in
a decade.
So Moore faked all that footage of Bush, Iraq, etc., etc.? Just
totally created it from scratch somehow on a PC or something, eh??
Heh!
Jeff
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| User: "georgann" |
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30 Jun 2004 08:19:37 PM |
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"Jeff Young" wrote:
So Moore faked all that footage of Bush, Iraq, etc., etc.? Just totally
created it from scratch somehow on a PC or something, eh?? Heh!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Footage??
Its all in the editing.
And the agenda.
--
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All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
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| User: "Uncle Dollar Bill" |
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30 Jun 2004 11:24:11 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Thu, 01 Jul 2004 01:19:37 GMT, georgann
<chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
"Jeff Young" wrote:
So Moore faked all that footage of Bush, Iraq, etc., etc.? Just totally
created it from scratch somehow on a PC or something, eh?? Heh!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Footage??
Its all in the editing.
And the agenda.
You couldn't have described the _entire_ Christian holy book any
better if you had tried.
--
L8r,
Uncle Dollar Bill
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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30 Jun 2004 09:19:24 PM |
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(Uncle Dollar Bill) wrote in
news:40e99127.7126924@newsgroups.bellsouth.net:
In alt.atheism on Thu, 01 Jul 2004 01:19:37 GMT, georgann
<chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
"Jeff Young" wrote:
So Moore faked all that footage of Bush, Iraq, etc., etc.? Just
totally created it from scratch somehow on a PC or something, eh??
Heh!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Footage??
Its all in the editing.
And the agenda.
You couldn't have described the _entire_ Christian holy book any
better if you had tried.
Interesting parallel there, given the holy fervor with which the
Democratic acolytes are proselytizing about a blatant propaganda film.
It *is* about flogging a dead horse isn't it?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "Uncle Dollar Bill" |
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01 Jul 2004 07:34:45 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Thu, 01 Jul 2004 02:19:24 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
UncleDollarBill@SpamMeNot.com (Uncle Dollar Bill) wrote in
news:40e99127.7126924@newsgroups.bellsouth.net:
In alt.atheism on Thu, 01 Jul 2004 01:19:37 GMT, georgann
<chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
"Jeff Young" wrote:
So Moore faked all that footage of Bush, Iraq, etc., etc.? Just
totally created it from scratch somehow on a PC or something, eh??
Heh!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Footage??
Its all in the editing.
And the agenda.
You couldn't have described the _entire_ Christian holy book any
better if you had tried.
Interesting parallel there, given the holy fervor with which the
Democratic acolytes are proselytizing about a blatant propaganda film.
It *is* about flogging a dead horse isn't it?
Whatever, Fred, you poor, persecuted conservative, you....
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L8r,
Uncle Dollar Bill
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| User: "AngryJohn" |
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30 Jun 2004 10:05:59 PM |
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On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 04:24:11 GMT, (Uncle
Dollar Bill) wrote:
In alt.atheism on Thu, 01 Jul 2004 01:19:37 GMT, georgann
<chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
"Jeff Young" wrote:
So Moore faked all that footage of Bush, Iraq, etc., etc.? Just totally
created it from scratch somehow on a PC or something, eh?? Heh!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Footage??
Its all in the editing.
And the agenda.
You couldn't have described the _entire_ Christian holy book any
better if you had tried.
Moore has an agenda, Bush has an agenda, everyone has an agenda and
what they do is colored by that agenda. There is no such thing as an
objective reported any more, if ever there was. Shrug, Moore probably
mixed facts in such a way to promote his agenda just as Bush does to
promote his agenda. Where is the real truth? I doubt that we as mere
citizens will ever see anything from anyone close to the real truth.
That's why anarchy is the only way......
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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01 Jul 2004 09:15:02 AM |
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In article <BD08DEE8.7C29%chenault@mindspring.com>, georgann says...
"Jeff Young" wrote:
So Moore faked all that footage of Bush, Iraq, etc., etc.? Just totally
created it from scratch somehow on a PC or something, eh?? Heh!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Footage??
Its all in the editing.
And the agenda.
Just like your diagram.
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Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
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| User: "georgann" |
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01 Jul 2004 07:04:37 PM |
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"Jeff Young" wrote:
So Moore faked all that footage of Bush, Iraq, etc., etc.? Just totally
created it from scratch somehow on a PC or something, eh?? Heh!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Footage??
Its all in the editing.
And the agenda.
"Robibnikoff" wrote:
Just like your diagram.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Ah ha! There you've let it slip. You don't really get it at all. What I'm
doing is not a creative work but an illustrative one.
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«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
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02 Jul 2004 11:21:53 AM |
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In article <BD0A1ED4.8666%chenault@mindspring.com>, georgann says...
"Jeff Young" wrote:
So Moore faked all that footage of Bush, Iraq, etc., etc.? Just totally
created it from scratch somehow on a PC or something, eh?? Heh!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Footage??
Its all in the editing.
And the agenda.
"Robibnikoff" wrote:
Just like your diagram.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Ah ha! There you've let it slip. You don't really get it at all. What I'm
doing is not a creative work but an illustrative one.
So what? You still have an agenda.
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Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
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03 Jul 2004 11:04:13 AM |
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On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 16:21:53 +0000 in episode
<BYfFc.7300$H4.295@www.newsranger.com> we saw our hero Robibnikoff
<nospam@newsranger.com>:
In article <BD0A1ED4.8666%chenault@mindspring.com>, georgann says...
"Jeff Young" wrote:
So Moore faked all that footage of Bush, Iraq, etc., etc.? Just
totally created it from scratch somehow on a PC or something, eh??
Heh!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Footage??
Its all in the editing.
And the agenda.
"Robibnikoff" wrote:
Just like your diagram.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Ah ha! There you've let it slip. You don't really get it at all. What I'm
doing is not a creative work but an illustrative one.
So what? You still have an agenda.
And I agree with her she's not doing creative work at all...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
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01 Jul 2004 03:45:29 PM |
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Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in
news:G%UEc.7198$H4.320@www.newsranger.com:
In article <BD08DEE8.7C29%chenault@mindspring.com>, georgann says...
"Jeff Young" wrote:
So Moore faked all that footage of Bush, Iraq, etc., etc.? Just
totally created it from scratch somehow on a PC or something, eh??
Heh!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Footage??
Its all in the editing.
And the agenda.
Just like your diagram.
Good ol' georgann-in-denial is like the woman near the end of the flick who
said "this is all staged" to the wrong person.
Wouldn't it be fun to give people like that the "Clockwork Orange"
treatment? :)
--
Dr. Smartass -- BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
"It is interesting to note that the death
penalty for individuals is less controversial
than the mere suggestion that a few corporations
may have forfeited their right to exist. How many
people does a company have to harm before we question
if it ought to exist?"
-- Paul Hawken
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01 Jul 2004 12:17:25 PM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<BD08DEE8.7C29%chenault@mindspring.com>...
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After Fred Stone wrote:
"Truth" and "facts" and "Michael Moore" haven't been in the same room in
a decade.
"Jeff Young" wrote:
So Moore faked all that footage of Bush, Iraq, etc., etc.? Just totally
created it from scratch somehow on a PC or something, eh?? Heh!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Footage??
Films are made of footage shot through a camera, right?
Its all in the editing.
What is? The way clips/scenes are edited together actually changes
the factual nature of what is in each clip/scene individually??
And the agenda.
Does having an agenda also _change_ the factual nature of what appears
in each clip/scene???
Note that Fred says that facts and Michael Moore have not been in the
same room. That must mean that if Moore ever participated in editing
the film, then each clip in the room at the time of editing must not
be factual by itself. (Of course, once again, Fred has merely
overstated his case, and I'm helping point him to the truth and facts
of the case.)
Jeff
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01 Jul 2004 07:06:29 PM |
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"Jeff Young" wrote:
Note that Fred says that facts and Michael Moore have not been in the same
room. That must mean that if Moore ever participated in editing the film,
then each clip in the room at the time of editing must not be factual by
itself. (Of course, once again, Fred has merely overstated his case, and I'm
helping point him to the truth and facts of the case.)
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Wow. This is a truly anal argument. Don't you think maybe you want to
rephrase it?
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(`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´)¸.·'´)
«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
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01 Jul 2004 08:05:39 PM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:BD0A1F44.8667%chenault@mindspring.com:
"Jeff Young" wrote:
Note that Fred says that facts and Michael Moore have not been in the
same room. That must mean that if Moore ever participated in editing
the film, then each clip in the room at the time of editing must not
be factual by itself. (Of course, once again, Fred has merely
overstated his case, and I'm helping point him to the truth and facts
of the case.)
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Wow. This is a truly anal argument. Don't you think maybe you want to
rephrase it?
Hi georgann! How've you been lately? You haven't been around much
lately. How's the demons been treating you? Did you ever find a good
pair of reading glasses for that eyestrain?
jeffy's still the same old sophomoric troll, I wouldn't waste my time
with him if I were you. I mopped the floor with him a couple of years
ago and he just can't seem to let go.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "Jeff Young" |
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| Title: Re: OT: F911 not even in the top 70 opening weekends |
02 Jul 2004 10:10:38 AM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<BD0A1F44.8667%chenault@mindspring.com>...
"Jeff Young" wrote:
Note that Fred says that facts and Michael Moore have not been in the same
room. That must mean that if Moore ever participated in editing the film,
then each clip in the room at the time of editing must not be factual by
itself. (Of course, once again, Fred has merely overstated his case, and I'm
helping point him to the truth and facts of the case.)
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Wow. This is a truly anal argument. Don't you think maybe you want to
rephrase it?
OK. Fred's implication that Michael Moore was not dealing with the
facts of the matter when making the film is totally belied by the fact
that unretouched footage _shows_ the facts of the matter. Editing
footage together to help fabricate an _impression_ does not make the
unretouched footage itself non-factual; and Moore was certainly "in
the same room" as that footage, both literally _and_ figuratively.
Better?
Would you care to deal with the substance of the rebuttal rather than
the style now? Or is it just way too cozy in bed there with Fred?
;-)
Jeff
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| User: "Jeff Young" |
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| Title: Re: OT: F911 not even in the top 70 opening weekends |
07 Jul 2004 01:26:01 PM |
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(Jeff Young) wrote in message news:<6f553a4.0407020710.29a5542b@posting.google.com>...
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<BD0A1F44.8667%chenault@mindspring.com>...
"Jeff Young" wrote:
Note that Fred says that facts and Michael Moore have not been in the same
room. That must mean that if Moore ever participated in editing the film,
then each clip in the room at the time of editing must not be factual by
itself. (Of course, once again, Fred has merely overstated his case, and I'm
helping point him to the truth and facts of the case.)
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Wow. This is a truly anal argument. Don't you think maybe you want to
rephrase it?
OK. Fred's implication that Michael Moore was not dealing with the
facts of the matter when making the film is totally belied by the fact
that unretouched footage _shows_ the facts of the matter. Editing
footage together to help fabricate an _impression_ does not make the
unretouched footage itself non-factual; and Moore was certainly "in
the same room" as that footage, both literally _and_ figuratively.
Better?
Would you care to deal with the substance of the rebuttal rather than
the style now?
Thought not.
Jeff
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| User: "Carl Kaufmann" |
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| Title: Re: OT: F911 not even in the top 70 opening weekends |
01 Jul 2004 12:39:30 PM |
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georgann wrote:
"Jeff Young" wrote:
So Moore faked all that footage of Bush, Iraq, etc., etc.? Just totally
created it from scratch somehow on a PC or something, eh?? Heh!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Footage??
Its all in the editing.
And the agenda.
Just like the Bible.
--
EAC Liar, Damned Liar, and Statistician
alt.atheist #1966
"Statistical thinking will one day be as necessary for efficient
citizenship as the ability to read and write." - H.G. Wells
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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30 Jun 2004 09:26:30 PM |
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Great Lord Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>, braving the raging
storm, scaled the mighty crag called alt.atheism on Wed, 30 Jun 2004
15:59:32 GMT and screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
"Truth" and "facts" and "Michael Moore" haven't been in the same room in
a decade.
We're still waiting for those specific charges against F9/11.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: OT: F911 not even in the top 70 opening weekends |
30 Jun 2004 10:02:17 PM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
news:qht6e0tvj3n814oged7rjt5r3j4c1m3emb@4ax.com:
Great Lord Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>, braving the raging
storm, scaled the mighty crag called alt.atheism on Wed, 30 Jun 2004
15:59:32 GMT and screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
"Truth" and "facts" and "Michael Moore" haven't been in the same room in
a decade.
We're still waiting for those specific charges against F9/11.
You mean you're still proselytizing for a propaganda film.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: OT: F911 not even in the top 70 opening weekends |
01 Jul 2004 12:03:38 PM |
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Great Lord Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>, braving the raging
storm, scaled the mighty crag called alt.atheism on Thu, 01 Jul 2004
03:02:17 GMT and screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
news:qht6e0tvj3n814oged7rjt5r3j4c1m3emb@4ax.com:
Great Lord Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>, braving the raging
storm, scaled the mighty crag called alt.atheism on Wed, 30 Jun 2004
15:59:32 GMT and screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
"Truth" and "facts" and "Michael Moore" haven't been in the same room in
a decade.
We're still waiting for those specific charges against F9/11.
You mean you're still proselytizing for a propaganda film.
No, I meant what I said. You claim that the film contains specific
falsehoods. List them.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Jeff Young" |
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| Title: Re: OT: F911 not even in the top 70 opening weekends |
13 Jul 2004 11:44:45 AM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message news:<iug8e0ds8nav39tnl13kvm9aasqmv9tijl@4ax.com>...
Great Lord Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>, braving the raging
storm, scaled the mighty crag called alt.atheism on Thu, 01 Jul 2004
03:02:17 GMT and screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
news:qht6e0tvj3n814oged7rjt5r3j4c1m3emb@4ax.com:
Great Lord Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>, braving the raging
storm, scaled the mighty crag called alt.atheism on Wed, 30 Jun 2004
15:59:32 GMT and screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
"Truth" and "facts" and "Michael Moore" haven't been in the same room in
a decade.
We're still waiting for those specific charges against F9/11.
You mean you're still proselytizing for a propaganda film.
No, I meant what I said. You claim that the film contains specific
falsehoods. List them.
And Fred slinks away. Bwahahahahaha.
Jeff
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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28 Jun 2004 09:46:27 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:08:51 GMT, georgann <chenault@mindspring.com>
wrote:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/weekends/
But it did do better than "Left Behind".
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Socerey Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -854 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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