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"Bob Dog" |
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19 May 2004 11:35:01 AM |
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[OT] Finally, they got caught |
It's going to be hard for Adolf Sharon to deny this one. They
have gotten away with genocide for years with US backing, but
this one has blown up in their faces.
The ITF (Israeli Terrorist Force) were finally caught firing
on crowds of innocent Palestinian civilians, killing ten and
wounding dozens. All of this was seen by witnesses the US and
Israel can't refute.
This happens over and over yet nobody cares until the ITF gets
caught with blood on its hands, sorta like the torture of Iraqi
prisoners.
Bob Dog
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Israeli Forces Fire on Crowd in Gaza, Killing 10
By Cynthia Johnston
RAFAH, Gaza Strip (Reuters) - Israeli tanks and helicopters fired
on protesters in a refugee camp on Wednesday, killing 10
Palestinians and raising a two-day death toll to 33 in Israel's
bloodiest Gaza raid in years, witnesses said.
Medics said about 50 people were wounded at the besieged Rafah
camp in southern Gaza and that the casualties included many
children and teenagers.
The firing sent a marching crowd fleeing in terror, some dragging
bloodied comrades and others carrying wounded children in their
arms, demonstrators said.
Expressing "deep sorrow over the loss of civilian lives," the
army said it did not fire deliberately at the procession but that
tank fire designed to drive back the protesters may have caused
casualties. It said gunmen were among the crowd.
"It was horrifying," said Mahmoud Abu Hashem, 35. "There was one
person with his intestines coming out. Another had blood covering
his face and you couldn't even make out his features."
The Palestinian Authority called it a "war crime" and demanded
international protection for Palestinians.
In a rare but gently worded rebuff to its ally, Washington said
it was "very concerned" about the number of Palestinian deaths
in Gaza and had asked Israel to explain its actions.
The bloodshed seemed certain to bring renewed international
pressure on Israel to end its assault, which began on Tuesday
with the stated goal of rooting out militants and uncovering
tunnels used to smuggle weapons across the border from Egypt.
BODIES PILE UP
Bodies carried on piling up in a flower freezer converted into
a makeshift morgue after staff at the refugee camp's main
hospital strained to cope with the dead along with dozens of
wounded in two days of Israeli military assaults.
The firing began as marchers surged toward the Tel Sultan
neighborhood, focal point of Israel's sweep into Rafah, to
demand that humanitarian aid be allowed in.
Residents flooded the hospital to look for loved ones. "Did you
see my brothers, the three of them who were in the rally?" cried
one person. "Where is Ahmed?" a woman shouted.
Brigadier Ruth Yaron, Israel's chief military spokeswoman, told
Army Radio: "The claim that this was a case of deliberate fire
(at the crowd) is false and I reject it completely."
She said the army was investigating and it was too soon to say
what happened. But an army statement said Palestinians had
rigged the road used by the marchers with explosives against
Israeli forces.
Palestinians said the incident evoked bitter memories of the
army's 2002 assault on the Jenin refugee camp in the West Bank,
where forces flattened an entire neighborhood during pitched
battles with militants following suicide bombings in Israel.
Earlier on Wednesday, Israeli forces killed four Palestinians in
Rafah and demanded the surrender of militants. Troops searched
house to house amid clashes with gunmen.
An international outcry was sparked by Israeli threats to flatten
hundreds of Rafah homes to widen an army-controlled security
corridor along the border with Egypt.
Amid the bloodletting, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon worked
to revive his Gaza withdrawal plan, which aides said may be
presented for cabinet approval as early as next week.
Violence has worsened in Gaza since Sharon proposed evacuating
troops and Jewish settlers in a plan backed by most Israelis and
the United States, but rejected by his right-wing Likud party in
a referendum earlier this month.
Palestinian militants want to claim as a victory any pullout by
Israel from territories it captured in the 1967 Middle East war,
but the army is determined to smash them first. (Additional
reporting by Nidal al-Mughrabi in Gaza)
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| User: "Sean C" |
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| Title: Re: [OT] Finally, they got caught |
21 May 2004 07:28:00 PM |
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In article <4fa573de.0405190835.408a8f62@posting.google.com>, Bob Dog
<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote:
It's going to be hard for Adolf Sharon to deny this one. They
have gotten away with genocide for years with US backing, but
this one has blown up in their faces.
The ITF (Israeli Terrorist Force) were finally caught firing
on crowds of innocent Palestinian civilians, killing ten and
wounding dozens. All of this was seen by witnesses the US and
Israel can't refute.
This happens over and over yet nobody cares until the ITF gets
caught with blood on its hands, sorta like the torture of Iraqi
prisoners.
Bob Dog
My understanding is that the incident was caught on tape by televison
crews, and showed Israeli tanks firing tank rounds and a helicopter
which fired a missile at protestors, killing a number of Palestinians,
some of whom were kids. The attacks were witnesssed by Amnesty
International, which reviewed the video and found no evidence of armed
gunmen in the crowd.
http://electronicIntifada.net/v2/article2725.shtml
There are also some horrific pictures of the victims at:
http://electronicIntifada.net/v2/article2730.shtml
Our tax dollars at work.
Sean C
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| User: "Bob Dog" |
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23 May 2004 08:14:27 AM |
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Sean C <redhawk@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message news:<210520042028002598%redhawk@hvc.rr.com>...
My understanding is that the incident was caught on tape by televison
crews, and showed Israeli tanks firing tank rounds and a helicopter
which fired a missile at protestors, killing a number of Palestinians,
some of whom were kids. The attacks were witnesssed by Amnesty
International, which reviewed the video and found no evidence of armed
gunmen in the crowd.
http://electronicIntifada.net/v2/article2725.shtml
There are also some horrific pictures of the victims at:
http://electronicIntifada.net/v2/article2730.shtml
Our tax dollars at work.
This has been practice and policy for the ITF for years but
blind believers consider it an isolated incident.
The notion that Israel needs all the US tax dollars it gets
to defend itself is *****. If Israel wasn't committing
terrorist aggression like this, tens of millions could be
saved annually. Sure, Israel needs some protection, but
when instigates the violence, that argument doesn't wash.
It's things like this that feed antisemitism and idiotic
"zionist conspiracy" accusations.
Bob Dog
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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| Title: Re: [OT] Finally, they got caught |
19 May 2004 01:49:05 PM |
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On Wed 19 May 2004 11:35:01a, (Bob Dog) kicked back
with a beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up, lit up a joint,
then fell asleep again after thoughtfully blurting out:
I'd like to comment that I remain highly skeptical of both those who
consider Israel infallible and Palestine atrocious, and those who hold the
opposite view. Emotions run very high in a conflict like this, and both
heroes and villians emerge on both sides. I simply cannot understand why
so few people seem to be able to distinguish shades of gray in this and
other conflicts, and insist on seeing their favored side as gleaming white
and the opposite side as darkest black. Life isn't like that.
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"Atheism is ... the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
--Emmett F. Fields
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| User: "Lee Dimas" |
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| Title: Re: [OT] Finally, they got caught |
19 May 2004 10:04:29 PM |
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In article <Xns94EE8D9C8C6D9Mekkala@199.45.49.11>,
Mekkala <joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com> wrote:
I'd like to comment that I remain highly skeptical of both those who
consider Israel infallible and Palestine atrocious, and those who hold the
opposite view. Emotions run very high in a conflict like this, and both
heroes and villians emerge on both sides. I simply cannot understand why
so few people seem to be able to distinguish shades of gray in this and
other conflicts, and insist on seeing their favored side as gleaming white
and the opposite side as darkest black. Life isn't like that.
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"Atheism is ... the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
--Emmett F. Fields
True, life is not black-and-white. But distinguishing shades of grey
requires higher intelligence and more mature morality, two things that
religions really do not foster in their followers. As long as religions
continue to promote simple explanations and solutions to life's complex
problems then these types of conflicts will never be resolved.
Lee Dimas
aa#11101111001
Surely you can figure out my address.
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| User: "Bob Dog" |
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| Title: Re: [OT] Finally, they got caught |
20 May 2004 10:04:47 AM |
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Mekkala <joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<Xns94EE8D9C8C6D9Mekkala@199.45.49.11>...
On Wed 19 May 2004 11:35:01a, (Bob Dog) kicked back
with a beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up, lit up a joint,
then fell asleep again after thoughtfully blurting out:
I'd like to comment that I remain highly skeptical of both those who
consider Israel infallible and Palestine atrocious, and those who hold the
opposite view. Emotions run very high in a conflict like this, and both
heroes and villians emerge on both sides. I simply cannot understand why
so few people seem to be able to distinguish shades of gray in this and
other conflicts, and insist on seeing their favored side as gleaming white
and the opposite side as darkest black. Life isn't like that.
I don't expect you to dig through Google and research my
POV, but don't assume you know it either. I've said it
before: the only difference between Israeli terrorism
and Palestinian terrorism is legitimacy in others' eyes.
Just because the Jews were victims of one of the world's
worst atrocities does not give them an eternal "get out
of jail free" card. As long as Sharon, Netenyahu, and
other terrorist leaders in Israel employ the same tactics
as Hamas and Islamic Jihad (only the weapons differ),
their crimes need to be pointed out.
What I expect is for Israel to be held to the standards
of decency and accountability for criminal behaviour by
its citizens as every other country is. Unfortunately,
many people consider that to be antisemitism.
Bob Dog
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: [OT] Finally, they got caught |
24 May 2004 12:30:00 AM |
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On 20 May 2004 08:04:47 -0700, (Bob Dog), Message
ID: <4fa573de.0405200704.7a946743@posting.google.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Mekkala <joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<Xns94EE8D9C8C6D9Mekkala@199.45.49.11>...
On Wed 19 May 2004 11:35:01a, (Bob Dog) kicked back
with a beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up, lit up a joint,
then fell asleep again after thoughtfully blurting out:
I'd like to comment that I remain highly skeptical of both those who
consider Israel infallible and Palestine atrocious, and those who hold the
opposite view. Emotions run very high in a conflict like this, and both
heroes and villians emerge on both sides. I simply cannot understand why
so few people seem to be able to distinguish shades of gray in this and
other conflicts, and insist on seeing their favored side as gleaming white
and the opposite side as darkest black. Life isn't like that.
I don't expect you to dig through Google and research my
POV, but don't assume you know it either. I've said it
before: the only difference between Israeli terrorism
and Palestinian terrorism is legitimacy in others' eyes.
Just because the Jews were victims of one of the world's
worst atrocities does not give them an eternal "get out
of jail free" card. As long as Sharon, Netenyahu, and
other terrorist leaders in Israel employ the same tactics
as Hamas and Islamic Jihad (only the weapons differ),
their crimes need to be pointed out.
What I expect is for Israel to be held to the standards
of decency and accountability for criminal behaviour by
its citizens as every other country is. Unfortunately,
many people consider that to be antisemitism.
Ummmm.....the USA isn't held to those standard either.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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28 May 2004 03:38:27 PM |
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On Thu 20 May 2004 10:04:47a, (Bob Dog) kicked back
with a beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up, lit up a joint,
then fell asleep again after thoughtfully blurting out:
Mekkala <joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:<Xns94EE8D9C8C6D9Mekkala@199.45.49.11>...
On Wed 19 May 2004 11:35:01a, (Bob Dog) kicked
back with a beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up, lit up a
joint, then fell asleep again after thoughtfully blurting out:
I'd like to comment that I remain highly skeptical of both those who
consider Israel infallible and Palestine atrocious, and those who
hold the opposite view. Emotions run very high in a conflict like
this, and both heroes and villians emerge on both sides. I simply
cannot understand why so few people seem to be able to distinguish
shades of gray in this and other conflicts, and insist on seeing
their favored side as gleaming white and the opposite side as darkest
black. Life isn't like that.
I don't expect you to dig through Google and research my
POV, but don't assume you know it either. I've said it
before: the only difference between Israeli terrorism
and Palestinian terrorism is legitimacy in others' eyes.
I didn't presume to guess your position. I was making a general
statement on the subject ;)
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"Atheism is ... the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
--Emmett F. Fields
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