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18 Sep 2003 04:46:06 PM |
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OT: GOP takes on 'leftist' education |
GOP takes on 'leftist' education
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_2238507,00.html
By Peggy Lowe, Rocky Mountain News
September 6, 2003
Top Republican legislators are working on a plan that would require
Colorado colleges and universities to seek more conservatives in
faculty hiring, more classics in the curriculum and more "intellectual
pluralism" among campus speakers.
http://forums.delphiforums.com/deconland/messages?msg=864
GOP
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: GOP takes on 'leftist' education |
18 Sep 2003 07:42:20 PM |
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"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote
Top Republican legislators are working on a
plan that would require Colorado colleges
and universities to seek more conservatives
in faculty hiring,
"Affirmative Action" for conservatives?
more classics in the curriculum
I'd have to agree.
and more "intellectual pluralism" among campus
speakers.
Again, "Affirmative Action" for conservatives?
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| User: "Elf M. Sternberg" |
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| Title: Re: GOP takes on 'leftist' education |
19 Sep 2003 10:43:20 AM |
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"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> writes:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote
Top Republican legislators are working on a
plan that would require Colorado colleges
and universities to seek more conservatives
in faculty hiring,
"Affirmative Action" for conservatives?
More or less. It's actually worse than that. The wording of
the bill specifically bans the implementation of quotas or anything even
vaguely similar. What's more alarming about the last draft of the bill
is that it extends "academic freedom" to the students in such a way that
a Creationist would have solid grounds for protesting a professor who
dismisses discussion of Intelligent Design, or gives a polisci student
room to sue if his anti-abortion screed is marked down on the grounds
that the professor was grading its political content, not its "academic
value."
Elf
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: GOP takes on 'leftist' education |
20 Sep 2003 08:43:45 AM |
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On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 08:43:20 -0700, Elf M. Sternberg wrote:
"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> writes:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote
Top Republican legislators are working on a plan that would require
Colorado colleges and universities to seek more conservatives in
faculty hiring,
"Affirmative Action" for conservatives?
More or less. It's actually worse than that. The wording of
the bill specifically bans the implementation of quotas or anything even
vaguely similar. What's more alarming about the last draft of the bill is
that it extends "academic freedom" to the students in such a way that a
Creationist would have solid grounds for protesting a professor who
dismisses discussion of Intelligent Design, or gives a polisci student
room to sue if his anti-abortion screed is marked down on the grounds that
the professor was grading its political content, not its "academic value."
Goody. Let's destroy what remains of our education system. Then we can
become a third world country even *faster!
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: GOP takes on 'leftist' education |
18 Sep 2003 09:23:30 PM |
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:42:20 -0400, "JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> posted
in alt.atheism:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote
Top Republican legislators are working on a
plan that would require Colorado colleges
and universities to seek more conservatives
in faculty hiring,
"Affirmative Action" for conservatives?
more classics in the curriculum
I'd have to agree.
and more "intellectual pluralism" among campus
speakers.
Again, "Affirmative Action" for conservatives?
More like "Employment for the Unqualified".
--
"So much blood has been shed by the Church because of an omission from the Gospel: "Ye
shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is." Not merely tolerant of it,
but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no religion is great
enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code."
- Mark Twain, a Biography
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rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Maverick" |
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| Title: Re: GOP takes on 'leftist' education |
19 Sep 2003 05:45:37 AM |
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"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:18510aff.0309181346.622d9ad3@posting.google.com...
GOP takes on 'leftist' education
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_2238507,0
0.html
By Peggy Lowe, Rocky Mountain News
September 6, 2003
Top Republican legislators are working on a plan that would require
Colorado colleges and universities to seek more conservatives in
faculty hiring, more classics in the curriculum and more "intellectual
pluralism" among campus speakers.
http://forums.delphiforums.com/deconland/messages?msg=864
GOP
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=
GOP&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=GOP
&sa=N&tab=nw
http://groups.google.com/groups?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=
d&q=GOP&sa=N&tab=wg
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q
=GOP&sa=N&tab=gd&cat=gwd%2FTop
At least it's not affirmative action :)
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| User: "Marc Satterwhite" |
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| Title: Re: OT: GOP takes on 'leftist' education |
19 Sep 2003 01:39:21 PM |
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maff wrote:
GOP takes on 'leftist' education
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_2238507,00.html
By Peggy Lowe, Rocky Mountain News
September 6, 2003
Top Republican legislators are working on a plan that would require
Colorado colleges and universities to seek more conservatives in
faculty hiring,
Virtually impossible to implement Constitutionally. My constant
query: are they also going to require the business and engineering
departments to hire more liberals? Fair is fair.
And what the hell are Republicans doing promoting affirmative
action? I guess it's only bad when the opposition does it,
like having affairs with staffers.
more classics in the curriculum
Surveys of course offerings show that the classics are still
offered virtually everywhere, but are not necessarily mandatory,
and that there is much more variety offered in literature and other
courses than before. It is very hard to strike the right balance:
certainly we need to teach the acknowledged great works of Western civ,
but at the same time we should not ignore the fact that people have
continued writing, thinking, composing, painting, and sculpting,
and sometimes have something interesting and valid to offer.
Nor should we ignore the fact that most of the world's population is not
in Europe or North America, and that they have art, literature
and philosophy, too.
Faculties at universities all over the world wrestle with this problem,
and there is probably no perfect solution. Best of luck to a state
legislature trying to solve it.
(I'd be really interested to take a survey among these guys and see
how many have attended a Shakespeare production or the opera,
or visited an art museum recently.)
and more "intellectual
pluralism" among campus speakers.
Possibly the only valid grounds they have for complaint, at least
on some campuses. And yes, I agree that speakers invited to
campus should represent a broad range of viewpoints, including
viewpoints that I despise.
The First Amendment does not guarantee that we will never hear anything
that offends us. On the other hand, the First Amendment doesn't
protect the speakers from leaflets, picket signs and probing
questions at the Q&A after the lecture, either.
Best, Marc
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