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Topic:	Religions > Atheism
User:	"Mark K. Bilbo"
Date:	06 Jun 2006 12:06:21 PM
Object:	OT: Half the benefits for only twice the price!

"Canadians are healthier than Americans, have better access to health care
and have fewer unmet health needs, a new study of both countries reveals.
"The findings come in spite of the fact that the United States spends
almost twice as much per capita on health care as Canada, the researchers
noted."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?L1452213D
Reported by that raging, left wing, pinko publication Forbes, a new study
backing up the study done by the Marxist/Leninist/Castro/Chavez, cheese
eating surrender monkey socialist Rand Corporation.
One of the big "criticisms?"
"Scandlen also criticized the way the study was conducted, noting that
there was too much focus on routine health issues..."
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
.

User: "Sean C"
Title: Re: OT: Half the benefits for only twice the price!	06 Jun 2006 07:29:15 PM

In article <YtadnZjdpdaQKxjZnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@megapath.net>, Mark K.
Bilbo <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

People in Canada who have chronic pain also don't have to put up with
fascist ***** like this:
http://www.painreliefnetwork.org/richard_paey.html
Richard V. Paey was sentenced on April 16, 2004 to a mandatory minimum
sentance of 25 years and fined $500,000. Paey, in his wheelchair with a
morphine pump sewn into his ruined back, will live out-what for him is
a death sentence-in a Florida prison for possessing the medicine that
he requires to survive.
Or this:
http://www.painreliefnetwork.org/article_detail_T6_R220.html
Hundreds of physicians have been put on trial for charges ranging from
health insurance fraud to drug distribution, even to manslaughter and
murder for over-prescribing prescription narcotics. Investigators have
also seized doctors' homes, offices, and bank accounts, leaving them
with no resources for their defense.
--Sean C
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: OT: Half the benefits for only twice the price!	06 Jun 2006 09:18:36 PM

Previously, on alt.atheism, Sean C in episode
<060620062029158795%redhawk@burnspammersalive.com>...

In article <YtadnZjdpdaQKxjZnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@megapath.net>, Mark K. Bilbo
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

People in Canada who have chronic pain also don't have to put up with
fascist ***** like this:

http://www.painreliefnetwork.org/richard_paey.html

Richard V. Paey was sentenced on April 16, 2004 to a mandatory minimum
sentance of 25 years and fined $500,000. Paey, in his wheelchair with a
morphine pump sewn into his ruined back, will live out-what for him is a
death sentence-in a Florida prison for possessing the medicine that he
requires to survive.

Or this:

http://www.painreliefnetwork.org/article_detail_T6_R220.html

Hundreds of physicians have been put on trial for charges ranging from
health insurance fraud to drug distribution, even to manslaughter and
murder for over-prescribing prescription narcotics. Investigators have
also seized doctors' homes, offices, and bank accounts, leaving them with
no resources for their defense.

But... but... but... Rush is still on the air!
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
.

User: "stoney"
Title: Re: OT: Half the benefits for only twice the price!	11 Jun 2006 09:38:58 PM

On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:18:36 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism

Previously, on alt.atheism, Sean C in episode
<060620062029158795%redhawk@burnspammersalive.com>...

In article <YtadnZjdpdaQKxjZnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@megapath.net>, Mark K. Bilbo
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

People in Canada who have chronic pain also don't have to put up with
fascist ***** like this:

http://www.painreliefnetwork.org/richard_paey.html

Richard V. Paey was sentenced on April 16, 2004 to a mandatory minimum
sentance of 25 years and fined $500,000. Paey, in his wheelchair with a
morphine pump sewn into his ruined back, will live out-what for him is a
death sentence-in a Florida prison for possessing the medicine that he
requires to survive.

Or this:

http://www.painreliefnetwork.org/article_detail_T6_R220.html

Hundreds of physicians have been put on trial for charges ranging from
health insurance fraud to drug distribution, even to manslaughter and
murder for over-prescribing prescription narcotics. Investigators have
also seized doctors' homes, offices, and bank accounts, leaving them with
no resources for their defense.

But... but... but... Rush is still on the air!

He's got Bushian Clearance�.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.

User: ""
Title: Re: OT: Half the benefits for only twice the price!	06 Jun 2006 02:39:42 PM

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

"Canadians are healthier than Americans, have better access
to health care and have fewer unmet health needs, a new
study of both countries reveals.

Yeah but they also pay a lot less for healthcare than we do,
so it all works out to the same.
Or at least that's what "Fred Fester" & other nodes on the
hive mind will tell you.
.

User: "L. Raymond"
Title: Re: OT: Half the benefits for only twice the price!	06 Jun 2006 08:53:03 PM

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

"Scandlen also criticized the way the study was conducted, noting that
there was too much focus on routine health issues..."

This is the quote I liked:
"In terms of overall satisfaction with the health care system, Americans
score better," noted Scandlen. "So, the headline coming out of this
ought to be that 'Americans are more satisfied with their healthcare
system than Canadians are.'"
So it doesn't matter if Americans are getting better care, just so
long as we *think* we're getting it.
--
L. Raymond
.

User: "Sean C"
Title: Re: OT: Half the benefits for only twice the price!	06 Jun 2006 10:19:53 PM

In article <5r49b72yrcez$.p8muoqm9wf6o.dlg@40tude.net>, L. Raymond
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

"Scandlen also criticized the way the study was conducted, noting that
there was too much focus on routine health issues..."

This is the quote I liked:

"In terms of overall satisfaction with the health care system, Americans
score better," noted Scandlen. "So, the headline coming out of this
ought to be that 'Americans are more satisfied with their healthcare
system than Canadians are.'"

So it doesn't matter if Americans are getting better care, just so
long as we *think* we're getting it.

I'd be curious where he got that info from. Numerous surveys show
Americans score pretty low on the satisfaction scale among
inustrializes nations, though I'm not sure how we score relative to
Canada. I can't imagine it being better. I am familiar with one survey
that rates us last among 11 industrialized nations, but I can't find
the link.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,190569,00.html
U.S. patients rate their health care among the worst in the
industrialized world, despite spending more on medical care than
patients in other countries, a multinational report concluded Tuesday.
Americans were more likely than patients in four other rich countries
to report poor care coordination, lab test and diagnostic errors, and
high costs that stand in the way of obtaining needed care. The report
also shows that low-income Americans have far more difficulty with most
areas of their medical care than similar patients in other nations.
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: OT: Half the benefits for only twice the price!	07 Jun 2006 08:18:18 AM

Previously, on alt.atheism, Sean C in episode
<060620062319533090%redhawk@burnspammersalive.com>...

In article <5r49b72yrcez$.p8muoqm9wf6o.dlg@40tude.net>, L. Raymond
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

"Scandlen also criticized the way the study was conducted, noting that
there was too much focus on routine health issues..."

This is the quote I liked:

"In terms of overall satisfaction with the health care system, Americans
score better," noted Scandlen. "So, the headline coming out of this
ought to be that 'Americans are more satisfied with their healthcare
system than Canadians are.'"

So it doesn't matter if Americans are getting better care, just so
long as we *think* we're getting it.

I'd be curious where he got that info from.

<snip>
Why, from his corporate masters of course. Can you say "shill?" I knew you
could! <g>
This "consumer" organization lists corporations and doctors as founders:
http://www.chcchoices.org/about.html
Scandlen's bio includes:
"...opinion columns for such publications as the Wall Street Journal,
Investors Business Daily, and the Washington Times..."
"...a fellow in health policy at the Cato Institute and President of the
Health Benefits Group..."
"...founder and CEO for five years of the Council for Affordable Health
Insurance, a trade association of health insurance companies..."
"... worked in the Blue Cross Blue Shield system for 12 years..."
http://www.ncpa.org/about/scandlen.html
And that's info from the "National Center for Policy Analysis" which is:
"...a member of the State Policy Network, a network of national and local
right-wing think tanks, and of townhall.com, a right-wing internet portal
created by the Heritage Foundation."
Not to mention:
"...funding includes: Bradley, Scaife, Koch, Olin, Earhart, Castle Rock,
and JM Foundations..."
http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=10242
Hm...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
.

User: "Sean C"
Title: Re: OT: Half the benefits for only twice the price!	07 Jun 2006 11:49:22 PM

In article <KIadnXcrDYGGTxvZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@megapath.net>, Mark K.
Bilbo <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

Previously, on alt.atheism, Sean C in episode
<060620062319533090%redhawk@burnspammersalive.com>...
Why, from his corporate masters of course. Can you say "shill?" I knew you
could! <g>

This "consumer" organization lists corporations and doctors as founders:

http://www.chcchoices.org/about.html

Scandlen's bio includes:

"...opinion columns for such publications as the Wall Street Journal,
Investors Business Daily, and the Washington Times..."

"...a fellow in health policy at the Cato Institute and President of the
Health Benefits Group..."

"...founder and CEO for five years of the Council for Affordable Health
Insurance, a trade association of health insurance companies..."

"... worked in the Blue Cross Blue Shield system for 12 years..."

http://www.ncpa.org/about/scandlen.html

And that's info from the "National Center for Policy Analysis" which is:

"...a member of the State Policy Network, a network of national and local
right-wing think tanks, and of townhall.com, a right-wing internet portal
created by the Heritage Foundation."

Not to mention:

"...funding includes: Bradley, Scaife, Koch, Olin, Earhart, Castle Rock,
and JM Foundations..."

http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=10242

I think it is particularly interesting that Americans consistently rate
their health care as among the worst in the world when there is such a
massive propaganda campaign going on by guys like this to convince them
it's the best, and anything else will involve evil socialism and
government inefficiency and waste.
You have to wonder how bad they'd rate it without the propaganda
campaign.
--Sean C
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: OT: Half the benefits for only twice the price!	08 Jun 2006 07:11:17 AM

Previously, on alt.atheism, Sean C in episode
<080620060049224880%redhawk@burnspammersalive.com>...

In article <KIadnXcrDYGGTxvZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@megapath.net>, Mark K. Bilbo
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

Previously, on alt.atheism, Sean C in episode
<060620062319533090%redhawk@burnspammersalive.com>... Why, from his
corporate masters of course. Can you say "shill?" I knew you could! <g>

This "consumer" organization lists corporations and doctors as founders:

http://www.chcchoices.org/about.html

Scandlen's bio includes:

"...opinion columns for such publications as the Wall Street Journal,
Investors Business Daily, and the Washington Times..."

"...a fellow in health policy at the Cato Institute and President of the
Health Benefits Group..."

"...founder and CEO for five years of the Council for Affordable Health
Insurance, a trade association of health insurance companies..."

"... worked in the Blue Cross Blue Shield system for 12 years..."

http://www.ncpa.org/about/scandlen.html

And that's info from the "National Center for Policy Analysis" which is:

"...a member of the State Policy Network, a network of national and
local right-wing think tanks, and of townhall.com, a right-wing internet
portal created by the Heritage Foundation."

Not to mention:

"...funding includes: Bradley, Scaife, Koch, Olin, Earhart, Castle Rock,
and JM Foundations..."

http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=10242

I think it is particularly interesting that Americans consistently rate
their health care as among the worst in the world when there is such a
massive propaganda campaign going on by guys like this to convince them
it's the best, and anything else will involve evil socialism and
government inefficiency and waste.

You have to wonder how bad they'd rate it without the propaganda campaign.

I suspect they take advantage of that phenomena among the public of "the
system is crap but *my doctor is good."
And that's not really a contradiction in that there are a *lot of good
doctors in the US. Even the nightmare waits and chaos that drove me up
walls in taking care of Bob happened despite the doctors involved being
quite good. It was the insurance companies and hospital corporations
causing the chaos.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
.

User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass"
Title: Re: OT: Half the benefits for only twice the price!	07 Jun 2006 10:08:50 AM

On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 20:53:03 -0500, "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

"Scandlen also criticized the way the study was conducted, noting that
there was too much focus on routine health issues..."

This is the quote I liked:

"In terms of overall satisfaction with the health care system, Americans
score better," noted Scandlen. "So, the headline coming out of this
ought to be that 'Americans are more satisfied with their healthcare
system than Canadians are.'"

So it doesn't matter if Americans are getting better care, just so
long as we *think* we're getting it.

Americans are happy that they die quicker, eh?
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2479 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
-----
"Ahhhhhh, yessssssss, ummmmmmm - Alito, Alito, Alito"
-duke (duckgumbo@cox.net), aka PedophilEarl J Weber, 59
year old mateless, heirless biological failure
of Afton Oaks Apartment, Baton Rouge,who pussied
out of the Vietnam draft, showing his gay side
despite his avowed anti-gay bigotry
Contact duke's priest and ask
him why duke is such a racist:
http://www.stpatrickbr.org/
Father Gerard "Jerry" Martin
stpatrickbr<AT>bellsouth<DOT>net
Saint Patrick Catholic Church
12424 Brogdon Lane
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70816
.

User: "DarkAngel"
Title: Re: OT: Half the benefits for only twice the price!	07 Jun 2006 04:00:36 PM

Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:

Americans are happy that they die quicker, eh?

Maybe there's something about living in America that makes
you want to die? *rimshot*
.

User: "stoney"
Title: Re: OT: Half the benefits for only twice the price!	11 Jun 2006 10:14:25 PM

On 7 Jun 2006 14:00:36 -0700, "DarkAngel" <drkangel666@hotmail.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:

Americans are happy that they die quicker, eh?

Maybe there's something about living in America that makes
you want to die? *rimshot*

Being Bushwhacked has that tendency.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: OT: Half the benefits for only twice the price!	07 Jun 2006 07:07:47 AM

Previously, on alt.atheism, L. Raymond in episode
<5r49b72yrcez$.p8muoqm9wf6o.dlg@40tude.net>...

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

"Scandlen also criticized the way the study was conducted, noting that
there was too much focus on routine health issues..."

This is the quote I liked:

"In terms of overall satisfaction with the health care system, Americans
score better," noted Scandlen. "So, the headline coming out of this ought
to be that 'Americans are more satisfied with their healthcare system than
Canadians are.'"

So it doesn't matter if Americans are getting better care, just so
long as we *think* we're getting it.

It's the magic of marketing!
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
.

User: "DarkAngel"
Title: Re: OT: Half the benefits for only twice the price!	07 Jun 2006 07:22:03 AM

Mark K. Bilbo a =E9crit :

Previously, on alt.atheism, L. Raymond in episode
<5r49b72yrcez$.p8muoqm9wf6o.dlg@40tude.net>...

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

"Scandlen also criticized the way the study was conducted, noting that
there was too much focus on routine health issues..."

This is the quote I liked:

"In terms of overall satisfaction with the health care system, Americans
score better," noted Scandlen. "So, the headline coming out of this oug=

to be that 'Americans are more satisfied with their healthcare system t=

han

Canadians are.'"

So it doesn't matter if Americans are getting better care, just so
long as we *think* we're getting it.

It's the magic of marketing!

Did they break it down by province? Health care is a provincial
jurisdiction, not federal, so the system might be awful, say, in
Alberta and great in Quebec, or vice-versa.
At least here in Quebec the satisfaction level comes from long waiting
lists, long waits in emergency rooms, etc... Free market ideologues
have a lot of suggestions about how to resolve this issue, and of
course all of them point to the 'American model' as something to
emulate.
.

User: "stoney"
Title: Re: OT: Half the benefits for only twice the price!	11 Jun 2006 09:41:50 PM

On 7 Jun 2006 05:22:03 -0700, "DarkAngel" <drkangel666@hotmail.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

Mark K. Bilbo a �crit :

Previously, on alt.atheism, L. Raymond in episode
<5r49b72yrcez$.p8muoqm9wf6o.dlg@40tude.net>...

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

"Scandlen also criticized the way the study was conducted, noting that
there was too much focus on routine health issues..."

This is the quote I liked:

"In terms of overall satisfaction with the health care system, Americans
score better," noted Scandlen. "So, the headline coming out of this ought
to be that 'Americans are more satisfied with their healthcare system than
Canadians are.'"

So it doesn't matter if Americans are getting better care, just so
long as we *think* we're getting it.

It's the magic of marketing!

Did they break it down by province? Health care is a provincial
jurisdiction, not federal, so the system might be awful, say, in
Alberta and great in Quebec, or vice-versa.

At least here in Quebec the satisfaction level comes from long waiting
lists, long waits in emergency rooms, etc... Free market ideologues
have a lot of suggestions about how to resolve this issue, and of
course all of them point to the 'American model' as something to
emulate.

There's long waits in American emergency rooms and they're rapidly
getting longer.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.

User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass"
Title: Re: OT: Half the benefits for only twice the price!	07 Jun 2006 10:10:57 AM

On 7 Jun 2006 05:22:03 -0700, "DarkAngel" <drkangel666@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Mark K. Bilbo a �crit :

Previously, on alt.atheism, L. Raymond in episode
<5r49b72yrcez$.p8muoqm9wf6o.dlg@40tude.net>...

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

"Scandlen also criticized the way the study was conducted, noting that
there was too much focus on routine health issues..."

This is the quote I liked:

"In terms of overall satisfaction with the health care system, Americans
score better," noted Scandlen. "So, the headline coming out of this ought
to be that 'Americans are more satisfied with their healthcare system than
Canadians are.'"

So it doesn't matter if Americans are getting better care, just so
long as we *think* we're getting it.

It's the magic of marketing!

I sat in the waiting room yesterday for 2 hours for a routine 5 minute
check up. And my dentist has a waiting time of about a month. So the
"American Model won't help you in that regard.
But you do have to pay more money for the same crappy service.

Free market ideologues
have a lot of suggestions about how to resolve this issue, and of
course all of them point to the 'American model' as something to
emulate.

-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2479 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
-----
"Ahhhhhh, yessssssss, ummmmmmm - Alito, Alito, Alito"
-duke (duckgumbo@cox.net), aka PedophilEarl J Weber, 59
year old mateless, heirless biological failure
of Afton Oaks Apartment, Baton Rouge,who pussied
out of the Vietnam draft, showing his gay side
despite his avowed anti-gay bigotry
Contact duke's priest and ask
him why duke is such a racist:
http://www.stpatrickbr.org/
Father Gerard "Jerry" Martin
stpatrickbr<AT>bellsouth<DOT>net
Saint Patrick Catholic Church
12424 Brogdon Lane
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70816
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: OT: Half the benefits for only twice the price!	07 Jun 2006 09:43:25 AM

Previously, on alt.atheism, DarkAngel in episode
<1149682923.094482.291130@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>...

Mark K. Bilbo a �crit :

Previously, on alt.atheism, L. Raymond in episode
<5r49b72yrcez$.p8muoqm9wf6o.dlg@40tude.net>...

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

"Scandlen also criticized the way the study was conducted, noting
that there was too much focus on routine health issues..."

This is the quote I liked:

"In terms of overall satisfaction with the health care system,
Americans score better," noted Scandlen. "So, the headline coming out
of this ought to be that 'Americans are more satisfied with their
healthcare system than Canadians are.'"

So it doesn't matter if Americans are getting better care, just so
long as we *think* we're getting it.

It's the magic of marketing!

Did they break it down by province? Health care is a provincial
jurisdiction, not federal, so the system might be awful, say, in Alberta
and great in Quebec, or vice-versa.

I don't know. It was a story about the study which I haven't seen. The
data they used can be found here:
http://www.statcan.ca/english/freepub/82M0022XIE/82M0022XIE2003001.htm
or: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I11022A3D

At least here in Quebec the satisfaction level comes from long waiting
lists, long waits in emergency rooms, etc... Free market ideologues have a
lot of suggestions about how to resolve this issue, and of course all of
them point to the 'American model' as something to emulate.

I hate to tell them this but both systems ration. Canada's system by
waiting lists, the US system by expense. We ration by tossing tens of
millions out of the system entirely.
And I don't know *where people get this idea we don't have long waits.
When I was doing the caregiver thing (before he passed away), I had one of
those "soft side" briefcase like bags that had books and magazines ready
to go because I knew on pretty much every doctor's office or hospital
visit I was going to be stuck for *hours waiting on something.
On a *good day, it was an hour wait for his eye doctor. In a very cramped
waiting room that had me on the verge of gasping for air (I'm mildly
claustrophobic, not bad but it rears its head now and then).
Anything that had to do with the hospital was an all day affair. Or worse.
Let's see, his first "stroke like event" was about 10 in the evening (I
remember hearing him watching Jon Stewart). I got him into the hospital
where his doctor(s) had privileges at 8 am the next morning. And that was
after the first ER let him lay there from 8 hours then discharged him
without explanation, sent him home to lay on the couch, babbling
incoherently, while I arranged *another ambulance ride to the other
hospital. Which hospital was refusing to allow one of his doctors to admit
him because the doctor "didn't have admitting privileges." Even though he
had held admitting privileges for some seven years at that hospital.
And don't get me started on the world class Cedar's Sinai in LA. Or what I
came to refer to as "the third world ER." If you ever have to go there, be
sure to bring extra medical supplies. They're out of about half of
everything. You should've seen the scramble for sample cups.
Though one of my favorites was the hospital that always whined I needed to
bring his medications because "we don't have them." I finally said, "if
only there were places inside hospitals that had medications so you could
just order them from inside the building."
Another time, I offered to show them the Walgreen's that was next door.
(I'm an *****, but I admit it)
Direct admits were somewhat faster. Though when they ordered a wheelchair,
that was your cue to go have a leisurely lunch. You'd be back in plenty of
time. But you do need the wheelchair as the staff is going to send you to
the wrong floor or building at least once, usually twice, and when you get
where they sent you, you'll be sent back to the admitting office who won't
be able to find your paperwork. You have plenty of time to explore the
many coffee offerings of the Starbuck's conveniently located opposite
admitting.
Oh and these were often pre-arranged, pre-authorized, pre-ordered
appointments. Like the one the doctor's office kept calling me about,
lecturing me about getting him there "on time," and making sure I had all
the paperwork and everything. That was the one where I got him to the
hospital an hour before the appointment but read an entire novel before
they got around to actually doing anything. It was about 11 pm when I
actually left the building, having made sure he was settled in his room
after the surgery. Which could have been done out patient and saved the
insurance company a ton of money if it hadn't involved something like 12
hours for the entire process (surgery and recovery time total: one and a
half hours). Meaning it was hell on *me and I wasn't the one being
operated on. He didn't need to be drug around after multi-hour waits.
(That surgery, by the way, was done by the doctor that had a three hour
wait in his office on two occasions.)
And I can go on about this for a looooong time...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
.

User: "L. Raymond"
Title: Re: OT: Half the benefits for only twice the price!	07 Jun 2006 07:30:44 PM

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

And I don't know *where people get this idea we don't have long waits.

When I was doing the caregiver thing (before he passed away), I had one of
those "soft side" briefcase like bags that had books and magazines ready
to go because I knew on pretty much every doctor's office or hospital
visit I was going to be stuck for *hours waiting on something.

...

And I can go on about this for a looooong time...

In the year and a half or so that I cared for my dad, I had the exact
opposite experience. When I'd take him to the doctors, he was never in
the waiting room for more than a few minutes. The three times I had to
call an ambulance, they showed up within minutes and once we go to the
ER he was attended to immediately. When I drove him from Austin to the
Medical Center in Houston we spent three days going to and from the
hospital, again with no wait of more than five or ten minutes.
What he did have that I suspect most people don't is a darn good
health insurance plan as part of his retirement. I wonder if not having
to be treated like an annoyance is the prize offered to Americans who
can afford private insurance.
--
L. Raymond
.

User: "Frank Mayhar"
Title: Re: OT: Half the benefits for only twice the price!	07 Jun 2006 11:56:38 PM

On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:30:44 -0500, L. Raymond wrote:

What he did have that I suspect most people don't is a darn good
health insurance plan as part of his retirement. I wonder if not having
to be treated like an annoyance is the prize offered to Americans who
can afford private insurance.

You said the magic word. If you have good insurance you're golden. If
you don't, you get to sit around in emergency rooms because you didn't
have the money to go to the doctor before the condition became serious.
You get treated like ***** for no good reason except by the scant handful
of people there who haven't yet burned out. If you're _very_ lucky and
you live in a state like California, you may get state-funded healthcare
(which is still _nothing_ like what private insurance gets you) but if
you're in say, Texas (for example), you're fucked.
California isn't perfect by any stretch (it is, after all, the state that
elected the Gropenator) but while it sucks, it sucks less than most states.
I realize how lucky I am to be able to afford real insurance (and I am
affording it at the moment; I'm a contractor using COBRA to stay insured
until I go permanent, a cool $1000/month). I know very well just how bad
it is for those who can't. This is the reason I'm ***** at Bill
Clinton. To hell with the goddamned *****, he promised a universal
healthcare plan and then bent over for the Republican Congress when it
started going against him. I'll never forgive him for that.
--
Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: OT: Half the benefits for only twice the price!	07 Jun 2006 09:19:10 PM

Previously, on alt.atheism, L. Raymond in episode
<1m3rtgdnznnpq$.8kyqcvodzcsh.dlg@40tude.net>...

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

And I don't know *where people get this idea we don't have long waits.

When I was doing the caregiver thing (before he passed away), I had one
of those "soft side" briefcase like bags that had books and magazines
ready to go because I knew on pretty much every doctor's office or
hospital visit I was going to be stuck for *hours waiting on something.

...

And I can go on about this for a looooong time...

In the year and a half or so that I cared for my dad, I had the exact
opposite experience. When I'd take him to the doctors, he was never in
the waiting room for more than a few minutes. The three times I had to
call an ambulance, they showed up within minutes and once we go to the ER
he was attended to immediately. When I drove him from Austin to the
Medical Center in Houston we spent three days going to and from the
hospital, again with no wait of more than five or ten minutes.

What he did have that I suspect most people don't is a darn good
health insurance plan as part of his retirement. I wonder if not having
to be treated like an annoyance is the prize offered to Americans who can
afford private insurance.

Very good private insurance with the right company can go a long way. But
even that's begun to erode as the system unravels. Some of the nightmare
waits with Bob were happening when he still had insurance with one of the
best companies in the state. They started out just great. Wave the card
and *poof* things happened. But there was a distinct decline over time.
Eventually, it'll hit everybody. No matter how good your insurance is. I
still cannot get out of my mind the nightmare Cedar Sinai (which I'm sure
I've not only misspelled every time but misspelled differently every time)
turned into. We're talking a world class hospital. One where Presidents
and heads of state and visiting dignitaries would be taken if they were on
the West Coast.
The ER in that place was turning into a third world nightmare. Just with
really cool water fountains...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
.

User: "stoney"
Title: Re: OT: Half the benefits for only twice the price!	11 Jun 2006 10:13:07 PM

On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 21:19:10 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism

Previously, on alt.atheism, L. Raymond in episode
<1m3rtgdnznnpq$.8kyqcvodzcsh.dlg@40tude.net>...

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

And I don't know *where people get this idea we don't have long waits.

When I was doing the caregiver thing (before he passed away), I had one
of those "soft side" briefcase like bags that had books and magazines
ready to go because I knew on pretty much every doctor's office or
hospital visit I was going to be stuck for *hours waiting on something.

...

And I can go on about this for a looooong time...

In the year and a half or so that I cared for my dad, I had the exact
opposite experience. When I'd take him to the doctors, he was never in
the waiting room for more than a few minutes. The three times I had to
call an ambulance, they showed up within minutes and once we go to the ER
he was attended to immediately. When I drove him from Austin to the
Medical Center in Houston we spent three days going to and from the
hospital, again with no wait of more than five or ten minutes.

What he did have that I suspect most people don't is a darn good
health insurance plan as part of his retirement. I wonder if not having
to be treated like an annoyance is the prize offered to Americans who can
afford private insurance.

Loma Linda's just as bad.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: OT: Half the benefits for only twice the price!	12 Jun 2006 07:45:34 AM

Previously, on alt.atheism, stoney in episode
<itmp82tji5d2ilj6r8ri157iusu2l6nis1@4ax.com>...

On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 21:19:10 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism

Previously, on alt.atheism, L. Raymond in episode
<1m3rtgdnznnpq$.8kyqcvodzcsh.dlg@40tude.net>...

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

And I don't know *where people get this idea we don't have long waits.

When I was doing the caregiver thing (before he passed away), I had
one of those "soft side" briefcase like bags that had books and
magazines ready to go because I knew on pretty much every doctor's
office or hospital visit I was going to be stuck for *hours waiting on
something.

...

And I can go on about this for a looooong time...

In the year and a half or so that I cared for my dad, I had the exact
opposite experience. When I'd take him to the doctors, he was never in
the waiting room for more than a few minutes. The three times I had to
call an ambulance, they showed up within minutes and once we go to the
ER he was attended to immediately. When I drove him from Austin to the
Medical Center in Houston we spent three days going to and from the
hospital, again with no wait of more than five or ten minutes.

What he did have that I suspect most people don't is a darn good
health insurance plan as part of his retirement. I wonder if not
having to be treated like an annoyance is the prize offered to
Americans who can afford private insurance.

Loma Linda's just as bad.

The whole system's caving...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
.

User: "DarkAngel"
Title: Re: OT: Half the benefits for only twice the price!	07 Jun 2006 10:04:38 AM

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

Previously, on alt.atheism, DarkAngel in episode
<1149682923.094482.291130@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>...

Oh, I'm simply relating the general population's gripes, as well as the
common corporate propaganda message being vehiculated in the MSM.
I recently spent 9 hours in an emergency room, but all the time I was
bitching at the neoliberal governments who have been cutting fundings
and promoting the idea that a two-tiered public/private system will
disengorge public waiting rooms, without explaining how creating more
private clinics is somehow going to spontaneously generate new
*doctors* without taking any from the public system... I wasn't
complaining about 'socialized medicine' at all, more like 'the
destruction of socialized medicine by ideologues'.
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: OT: Half the benefits for only twice the price!	07 Jun 2006 08:09:35 PM

Previously, on alt.atheism, DarkAngel in episode
<1149692678.852341.184720@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>...

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

Previously, on alt.atheism, DarkAngel in episode
<1149682923.094482.291130@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>...

At least here in Quebec the satisfaction level comes from long waiting
lists, long waits in emergency rooms, etc... Free market ideologues
have a lot of suggestions about how to resolve this issue, and of
course all of them point to the 'American model' as something to
emulate.

Oh, I'm simply relating the general population's gripes, as well as the
common corporate propaganda message being vehiculated in the MSM.

I recently spent 9 hours in an emergency room, but all the time I was
bitching at the neoliberal governments who have been cutting fundings and
promoting the idea that a two-tiered public/private system will disengorge
public waiting rooms, without explaining how creating more private clinics
is somehow going to spontaneously generate new *doctors* without taking
any from the public system... I wasn't complaining about 'socialized
medicine' at all, more like 'the destruction of socialized medicine by
ideologues'.

Well, I hate to tell the neoliberal types up there this but down here in
the US, it's *not emptying the waiting rooms. If anything, they've been
getting worse.
We essentially have a "two-tiered" system down here. But you can still end
up with many hours of waiting. And, yes, a public/private mix will drain
the public system. You will see the best doctors leave for the private
system.
I'm convinced you can do one or the other but *not both. And I don't know
that a truly free market system could work in health care. When you're
having a heart attack, you don't have time to do comparison shopping...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
.

User: "Kate "
Title: Re: OT: Half the benefits for only twice the price!	08 Jun 2006 12:14:02 AM

On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:09:35 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

Previously, on alt.atheism, DarkAngel in episode
<1149692678.852341.184720@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>...

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

Previously, on alt.atheism, DarkAngel in episode
<1149682923.094482.291130@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>...

At least here in Quebec the satisfaction level comes from long waiting
lists, long waits in emergency rooms, etc... Free market ideologues
have a lot of suggestions about how to resolve this issue, and of
course all of them point to the 'American model' as something to
emulate.

Oh, I'm simply relating the general population's gripes, as well as the
common corporate propaganda message being vehiculated in the MSM.

I recently spent 9 hours in an emergency room, but all the time I was
bitching at the neoliberal governments who have been cutting fundings and
promoting the idea that a two-tiered public/private system will disengorge
public waiting rooms, without explaining how creating more private clinics
is somehow going to spontaneously generate new *doctors* without taking
any from the public system... I wasn't complaining about 'socialized
medicine' at all, more like 'the destruction of socialized medicine by
ideologues'.

I spent 6 hours waiting in an emergency room the last time I had to
use one. I've never spent less than 2 hours except when I was having
a baby.
In the US, the poor have to use them because they won't be denied
medical care in an emergency room, so they get filled up that way.
It's a damn expensive incompetent way to run socialized medicine.
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: OT: Half the benefits for only twice the price!	08 Jun 2006 07:06:06 AM

Previously, on alt.atheism, Kate in episode
<44a0b10c.532937718@news-west.newscene.com>...

On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:09:35 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

Previously, on alt.atheism, DarkAngel in episode
<1149692678.852341.184720@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>...

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

Previously, on alt.atheism, DarkAngel in episode
<1149682923.094482.291130@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>...

At least here in Quebec the satisfaction level comes from long
waiting lists, long waits in emergency rooms, etc... Free market
ideologues have a lot of suggestions about how to resolve this
issue, and of course all of them point to the 'American model' as
something to emulate.

Oh, I'm simply relating the general population's gripes, as well as the
common corporate propaganda message being vehiculated in the MSM.

I recently spent 9 hours in an emergency room, but all the time I was
bitching at the neoliberal governments who have been cutting fundings
and promoting the idea that a two-tiered public/private system will
disengorge public waiting rooms, without explaining how creating more
private clinics is somehow going to spontaneously generate new
*doctors* without taking any from the public system... I wasn't
complaining about 'socialized medicine' at all, more like 'the
destruction of socialized medicine by ideologues'.

I spent 6 hours waiting in an emergency room the last time I had to use
one. I've never spent less than 2 hours except when I was having a baby.

In the US, the poor have to use them because they won't be denied medical
care in an emergency room, so they get filled up that way. It's a damn
expensive incompetent way to run socialized medicine.

Yeah, we actually do provide "universal coverage." We just wait until
things build up to the most expensive, most life threatening situations
instead of providing the cheaper, most beneficial preventive and routine
care.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
.

User: "stoney"
Title: Re: OT: Half the benefits for only twice the price!	11 Jun 2006 09:45:29 PM

On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 07:06:06 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism

Previously, on alt.atheism, Kate in episode
<44a0b10c.532937718@news-west.newscene.com>...

On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:09:35 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

Previously, on alt.atheism, DarkAngel in episode
<1149692678.852341.184720@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>...

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

Previously, on alt.atheism, DarkAngel in episode
<1149682923.094482.291130@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>...

At least here in Quebec the satisfaction level comes from long
waiting lists, long waits in emergency rooms, etc... Free market
ideologues have a lot of suggestions about how to resolve this
issue, and of course all of them point to the 'American model' as
something to emulate.

Oh, I'm simply relating the general population's gripes, as well as the
common corporate propaganda message being vehiculated in the MSM.

I recently spent 9 hours in an emergency room, but all the time I was
bitching at the neoliberal governments who have been cutting fundings
and promoting the idea that a two-tiered public/private system will
disengorge public waiting rooms, without explaining how creating more
private clinics is somehow going to spontaneously generate new
*doctors* without taking any from the public system... I wasn't
complaining about 'socialized medicine' at all, more like 'the
destruction of socialized medicine by ideologues'.

I spent 6 hours waiting in an emergency room the last time I had to use
one. I've never spent less than 2 hours except when I was having a baby.

In the US, the poor have to use them because they won't be denied medical
care in an emergency room, so they get filled up that way. It's a damn
expensive incompetent way to run socialized medicine.

You forgot; "You waited too long and we are not authorized to do
anything for you."
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: OT: Half the benefits for only twice the price!	12 Jun 2006 07:46:54 AM

Previously, on alt.atheism, stoney in episode
<u8lp825fsegv7s5lv4bce59o4ahbei0a74@4ax.com>...

On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 07:06:06 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism

Previously, on alt.atheism, Kate in episode
<44a0b10c.532937718@news-west.newscene.com>...

On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:09:35 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

Previously, on alt.atheism, DarkAngel in episode
<1149692678.852341.184720@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>...

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

Previously, on alt.atheism, DarkAngel in episode
<1149682923.094482.291130@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>...

At least here in Quebec the satisfaction level comes from long
waiting lists, long waits in emergency rooms, etc... Free market
ideologues have a lot of suggestions about how to resolve this
issue, and of course all of them point to the 'American model' as
something to emulate.

Oh, I'm simply relating the general population's gripes, as well as
the common corporate propaganda message being vehiculated in the MSM.

I recently spent 9 hours in an emergency room, but all the time I was
bitching at the neoliberal governments who have been cutting fundings
and promoting the idea that a two-tiered public/private system will
disengorge public waiting rooms, without explaining how creating more
private clinics is somehow going to spontaneously generate new
*doctors* without taking any from the public system... I wasn't
complaining about 'socialized medicine' at all, more like 'the
destruction of socialized medicine by ideologues'.

I spent 6 hours waiting in an emergency room the last time I had to use
one. I've never spent less than 2 hours except when I was having a
baby.

In the US, the poor have to use them because they won't be denied
medical care in an emergency room, so they get filled up that way. It's
a damn expensive incompetent way to run socialized medicine.

You forgot; "You waited too long and we are not authorized to do anything
for you."

Actually, I like the local hospital's tactic.
"We've charged all we can, we're discharging you now."
(No, really, though they don't say it when they think you can hear them)
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
.

User: "stoney"
Title: Re: OT: Half the benefits for only twice the price!	16 Jun 2006 09:30:55 AM

On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:46:54 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism

Previously, on alt.atheism, stoney in episode
<u8lp825fsegv7s5lv4bce59o4ahbei0a74@4ax.com>...

On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 07:06:06 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism

Previously, on alt.atheism, Kate in episode
<44a0b10c.532937718@news-west.newscene.com>...

On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:09:35 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

Previously, on alt.atheism, DarkAngel in episode
<1149692678.852341.184720@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>...

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

Previously, on alt.atheism, DarkAngel in episode
<1149682923.094482.291130@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>...

At least here in Quebec the satisfaction level comes from long
waiting lists, long waits in emergency rooms, etc... Free market
ideologues have a lot of suggestions about how to resolve this
issue, and of course all of them point to the 'American model' as
something to emulate.

Oh, I'm simply relating the general population's gripes, as well as
the common corporate propaganda message being vehiculated in the MSM.

I recently spent 9 hours in an emergency room, but all the time I was
bitching at the neoliberal governments who have been cutting fundings
and promoting the idea that a two-tiered public/private system will
disengorge public waiting rooms, without explaining how creating more
private clinics is somehow going to spontaneously generate new
*doctors* without taking any from the public system... I wasn't
complaining about 'socialized medicine' at all, more like 'the
destruction of socialized medicine by ideologues'.

I spent 6 hours waiting in an emergency room the last time I had to use
one. I've never spent less than 2 hours except when I was having a
baby.

In the US, the poor have to use them because they won't be denied
medical care in an emergency room, so they get filled up that way. It's
a damn expensive incompetent way to run socialized medicine.

You forgot; "You waited too long and we are not authorized to do anything
for you."

Actually, I like the local hospital's tactic.

"We've charged all we can, we're discharging you now."

(No, really, though they don't say it when they think you can hear them)

The cashier should be wearing a black eye mask and a bandana over nose
and mouth.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: OT: Half the benefits for only twice the price!	16 Jun 2006 12:00:29 PM

Previously, on alt.atheism, stoney in episode
<o3g592l6c5emts4ggjh9q46m0fj9qofvim@4ax.com>...

On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:46:54 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism

Previously, on alt.atheism, stoney in episode
<u8lp825fsegv7s5lv4bce59o4ahbei0a74@4ax.com>...

On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 07:06:06 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism

Previously, on alt.atheism, Kate in episode
<44a0b10c.532937718@news-west.newscene.com>...

On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:09:35 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

Previously, on alt.atheism, DarkAngel in episode
<1149692678.852341.184720@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>...

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

Previously, on alt.atheism, DarkAngel in episode
<1149682923.094482.291130@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>...

At least here in Quebec the satisfaction level comes from long
waiting lists, long waits in emergency rooms, etc... Free market
ideologues have a lot of suggestions about how to resolve this
issue, and of course all of them point to the 'American model'
as something to emulate.

Oh, I'm simply relating the general population's gripes, as well as
the common corporate propaganda message being vehiculated in the
MSM.

I recently spent 9 hours in an emergency room, but all the time I
was bitching at the neoliberal governments who have been cutting
fundings and promoting the idea that a two-tiered public/private
system will disengorge public waiting rooms, without explaining how
creating more private clinics is somehow going to spontaneously
generate new *doctors* without taking any from the public system...
I wasn't complaining about 'socialized medicine' at all, more like
'the destruction of socialized medicine by ideologues'.

I spent 6 hours waiting in an emergency room the last time I had to
use one. I've never spent less than 2 hours except when I was having
a baby.

In the US, the poor have to use them because they won't be denied
medical care in an emergency room, so they get filled up that way.
It's a damn expensive incompetent way to run socialized medicine.

You forgot; "You waited too long and we are not authorized to do
anything for you."

Actually, I like the local hospital's tactic.

"We've charged all we can, we're discharging you now."

(No, really, though they don't say it when they think you can hear them)

The cashier should be wearing a black eye mask and a bandana over nose and
mouth.

Hell, it was the ER staff. All they could talk about was how much they
could get away with charging. I didn't hear them *once talk about actual
patient care. Just money.
I guess they forgot I was there. It was when Bob had his first stroke and
it was an all night wait in one ER before he was transferred to another ER
so I'd been there for hours.
It was one of the most disgusting things I've seen in a hospital...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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