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"Ben Goren" |
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29 Jan 2006 01:08:05 PM |
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OT: How do you cheat? |
When I was young, my parents spoiled me. In particular, we never
ate store-bought bread; my mom always baked bread herself. But
I've long since left the nest...and, though I still don't buy
bread--I can't stand the commercial stuff--I don't often make it,
myself.
That is, I didn't until a few weeks ago, when I took home an
unsold bread machine from a garage sale I was helping a friend
run. Since then, I've baked all kinds of stuff--bagels, pizza, hot
dog buns--and, yes, loaves of bread. On the one hand, it feels
like cheating--there's little more effort involved than in dumping
some stuff in the machine and pressing a button. On the other
hand...I've discovered that I don't give a damn, that I'm quite
happy to cheat.
So, my question to y'all: what sorts of things do you do that you
consider ``cheating,'' but happily do anyway?
Oh--and, for those who care and who have a bread machine, here's
how to make bagels. And, no, those round things you get at a
certain store that shares a name with a certain physicist aren't
really bagels--they just vaguely resemble them.
Start this at about 6:00 in the morning, and you've got enough
time to bake the bagels, shower, read the news, shave, and the
like and still be out the door before 8:00. Who needs bagel runs
when you've got a bread machine?
Dump in the bread machine in the order recommended by the
manufacturer:
1 TABLESPOON yeast
3 cups bread (high-gluten) flour
4 teaspoons sugar
2 teaspoons salt
1 cup water
Let the machine do the dough cycle only. When it beeps to add
mix-in ingredients, add:
1/4 cup dried chopped onions
2 TABLESPOONS poppy seeds
Remove the dough from the machine and divide into eight
parts. Roll each into a six-inch rope. Moisten the ends, wrap
around three fingers, and press the ends together to form the
dough into a ring. Let rise at least 15 minutes.
Boil a few quarts of water and a tablespoon of salt in the largest
pot you have--a wok works great. (This will probably take about
fifteen minutes, so start the water going after you're done
shaping the dough.) Drop in as many bagels at a time as won't
crowd each other for three minutes, turning often. You might have
to cover the pot to keep it boiling. Remove the bagels to a
greased baking sheet.
Bake in a pre-heated 425 oF oven (turn it on the same time you
start the water boiling) for about 25 minutes, until crust is
browned.
Even better, invest about $10 in a stone baking brick, like what
you can get for pizzas from many boutique grocery stores. Have it
in the oven when you turn on the heat; in this case, about 375 oF
for about ten minutes will do the trick. Remove the boiled bagels
directly to the stone, or to a plate and then the stone if there's
not enough room to boil them all at once.
If you really want to do it right, serve the bagels open-faced,
spread with cream cheese and topped with lox and fresh onions.
Cheers,
b&
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: How do you cheat? |
29 Jan 2006 03:06:51 PM |
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"Ben Goren" <ben@trumpetpower.com> wrote in message
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When I was young, my parents spoiled me. In particular, we never
ate store-bought bread; my mom always baked bread herself. But
I've long since left the nest...and, though I still don't buy
bread--I can't stand the commercial stuff--I don't often make it,
myself.
That is, I didn't until a few weeks ago, when I took home an
unsold bread machine from a garage sale I was helping a friend
run. Since then, I've baked all kinds of stuff--bagels, pizza, hot
dog buns--and, yes, loaves of bread. On the one hand, it feels
like cheating--there's little more effort involved than in dumping
some stuff in the machine and pressing a button. On the other
hand...I've discovered that I don't give a damn, that I'm quite
happy to cheat.
So, my question to y'all: what sorts of things do you do that you
consider ``cheating,'' but happily do anyway?
That's technology! Technology isn't cheating, man! ;-)
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Ben Goren" |
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30 Jan 2006 10:59:06 AM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
Ben Goren wrote:
When I was young, my parents spoiled me. In particular, we
never ate store-bought bread; my mom always baked bread
herself. But I've long since left the nest...and, though I
still don't buy bread--I can't stand the commercial stuff--I
don't often make it, myself.
That is, I didn't until a few weeks ago, when I took home an
unsold bread machine from a garage sale I was helping a friend
run. Since then, I've baked all kinds of stuff--bagels, pizza,
hot dog buns--and, yes, loaves of bread. On the one hand, it
feels like cheating--there's little more effort involved than
in dumping some stuff in the machine and pressing a button. On
the other hand...I've discovered that I don't give a damn, that
I'm quite happy to cheat.
So, my question to y'all: what sorts of things do you do that
you consider ``cheating,'' but happily do anyway?
That's technology! Technology isn't cheating, man! ;-)
Well...no, not really. But it sure feels like it at times. I guess
that's my point: what kind of technology do you use to do things
that, for whatever irrational reason, you think should be done
without technology?
Cheers,
b&
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| User: "L.Roberts." |
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| Title: Re: How do you cheat? |
30 Jan 2006 11:19:06 AM |
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Ben Goren wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
Ben Goren wrote:
When I was young, my parents spoiled me. In particular, we
never ate store-bought bread; my mom always baked bread
herself. But I've long since left the nest...and, though I
still don't buy bread--I can't stand the commercial stuff--I
don't often make it, myself.
That is, I didn't until a few weeks ago, when I took home an
unsold bread machine from a garage sale I was helping a friend
run. Since then, I've baked all kinds of stuff--bagels, pizza,
hot dog buns--and, yes, loaves of bread. On the one hand, it
feels like cheating--there's little more effort involved than
in dumping some stuff in the machine and pressing a button. On
the other hand...I've discovered that I don't give a damn, that
I'm quite happy to cheat.
So, my question to y'all: what sorts of things do you do that
you consider ``cheating,'' but happily do anyway?
That's technology! Technology isn't cheating, man! ;-)
Well...no, not really. But it sure feels like it at times. I guess
that's my point: what kind of technology do you use to do things
that, for whatever irrational reason, you think should be done
without technology?
Cheers,
b&
Home made bread is home made bread if it is in fact made at home. It
shouldn't matter whether you use the 'old fashioned method' or the 'new
fangled method' so long as 'you' do it; I mean, as opposed to having
your robot do it.
L.Roberts.
Hellboy #13
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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30 Jan 2006 12:43:33 PM |
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"L.Roberts." <ozzcat2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1138641546.678326.174020@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Ben Goren wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
Ben Goren wrote:
When I was young, my parents spoiled me. In particular, we
never ate store-bought bread; my mom always baked bread
herself. But I've long since left the nest...and, though I
still don't buy bread--I can't stand the commercial stuff--I
don't often make it, myself.
That is, I didn't until a few weeks ago, when I took home an
unsold bread machine from a garage sale I was helping a friend
run. Since then, I've baked all kinds of stuff--bagels, pizza,
hot dog buns--and, yes, loaves of bread. On the one hand, it
feels like cheating--there's little more effort involved than
in dumping some stuff in the machine and pressing a button. On
the other hand...I've discovered that I don't give a damn, that
I'm quite happy to cheat.
So, my question to y'all: what sorts of things do you do that
you consider ``cheating,'' but happily do anyway?
That's technology! Technology isn't cheating, man! ;-)
Well...no, not really. But it sure feels like it at times. I guess
that's my point: what kind of technology do you use to do things
that, for whatever irrational reason, you think should be done
without technology?
Cheers,
b&
Home made bread is home made bread if it is in fact made at home. It
shouldn't matter whether you use the 'old fashioned method' or the 'new
fangled method' so long as 'you' do it; I mean, as opposed to having
your robot do it.
Ok, I will freely admit that fresh home-made products taste better to me
than store bought. If one considers the division of labor to be a cheat,
because one gets the benefits of goods without making them, then it seems
that in the case of food, at least, you get what you deserve! ;-)
The problem is that you can always draw the line further back. You didn't
grind the flour you used, but even if you did, you didn't plant the grain.
If you did plant the grain, you didn't breed the strain, and if you DID
breed the strain, you didn't... well, you get the idea.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Ben Goren" |
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30 Jan 2006 01:08:03 PM |
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(a bit of piggybacking....)
L.Roberts. wrote:
Home made bread is home made bread if it is in fact made at
home. It shouldn't matter whether you use the 'old fashioned
method' or the 'new fangled method' so long as 'you' do it; I
mean, as opposed to having your robot do it.
That's really the point I was trying to get at, I guess. You could
re-phrase the question as, ``What kinds of shortcuts do you use
that you or others consider or once considered heretical but
either gives the same end results or in which you don't object to
the side-effects?''
By letting the machine do all the work in making the bread, of
course, I'm missing out on the physical and emotional effects of
kneading the dough, of getting my hands all messy, that sort of
thing. But, since the time and hassle was so substantial that I
rarely bothered to do it in the first place, these aren't things
I'm missing out on. I rather suspect I'll make bread by hand about
as often as I did before--but, now, I've got the just-as-good
bread on a regular basis, as well.
Denis Loubet wrote:
Ok, I will freely admit that fresh home-made products taste
better to me than store bought. If one considers the division of
labor to be a cheat, because one gets the benefits of goods
without making them, then it seems that in the case of food, at
least, you get what you deserve! ;-)
The problem is that you can always draw the line further
back. You didn't grind the flour you used, but even if you did,
you didn't plant the grain. If you did plant the grain, you
didn't breed the strain, and if you DID breed the strain, you
didn't... well, you get the idea.
Yes, the good Doctor Sagan put it well. ``If you wish to make an
apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe.''
I miss him. He could do the world a lot of good right now....
Cheers,
b&
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| User: "L.Roberts" |
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30 Jan 2006 10:12:45 PM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"L.Roberts." <ozzcat2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1138641546.678326.174020@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Ben Goren wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
Ben Goren wrote:
When I was young, my parents spoiled me. In particular, we
never ate store-bought bread; my mom always baked bread
herself. But I've long since left the nest...and, though I
still don't buy bread--I can't stand the commercial stuff--I
don't often make it, myself.
That is, I didn't until a few weeks ago, when I took home an
unsold bread machine from a garage sale I was helping a friend
run. Since then, I've baked all kinds of stuff--bagels, pizza,
hot dog buns--and, yes, loaves of bread. On the one hand, it
feels like cheating--there's little more effort involved than
in dumping some stuff in the machine and pressing a button. On
the other hand...I've discovered that I don't give a damn, that
I'm quite happy to cheat.
So, my question to y'all: what sorts of things do you do that
you consider ``cheating,'' but happily do anyway?
That's technology! Technology isn't cheating, man! ;-)
Well...no, not really. But it sure feels like it at times. I guess
that's my point: what kind of technology do you use to do things
that, for whatever irrational reason, you think should be done
without technology?
Cheers,
b&
Home made bread is home made bread if it is in fact made at home. It
shouldn't matter whether you use the 'old fashioned method' or the 'new
fangled method' so long as 'you' do it; I mean, as opposed to having
your robot do it.
Ok, I will freely admit that fresh home-made products taste better to me
than store bought. If one considers the division of labor to be a cheat,
because one gets the benefits of goods without making them, then it seems
that in the case of food, at least, you get what you deserve! ;-)
The problem is that you can always draw the line further back. You didn't
grind the flour you used, but even if you did, you didn't plant the grain.
If you did plant the grain, you didn't breed the strain, and if you DID
breed the strain, you didn't... well, you get the idea.
Well, I think that if we speak of baking bread, that we can confine our
discussion to the kitchen. Certainly, if someone bakes a loaf or two
the 'old fashioned way' it reflects more favorably on the baker's
ability (if the results are good) than if the baker did it in the 'new
fangled way'. I think that the only way a baker would be considered a
cheat would be if he tried to pass off his bread baked in the 'new
fangled way' as having been done in the 'old fashioned way'.
I like the old fashioned way of living and cooking. I would like to
have a brick oven, a fireplace with a large cast iron pot hung from a
trammel filled with piping hot porridge, and a big old cast iron
kitchen woodstove.
I have a collection of cast iron cookware (80 or so pieces), skillets,
griddles, dutch ovens, muffin pans, pots, candy molds and etc. I also
have an assortment of things in the way of knives, gadgets and a
refractory stone for the oven upon which to baking a large pizza.
However all that may be, I am not against the latest kitchen amenities
such as bread makers, microwave cookware and such.
If I did have a classic old fashioned kitchen, new fangled stuff would
be banished from sight when not actually in use and the only thing
heretical in it, would be me, and some of my company.
L.Roberts.
Hellboy #13
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dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "stoney" |
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31 Jan 2006 08:13:07 PM |
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On 30 Jan 2006 20:12:45 -0800, "L.Roberts" <ozzcat2003@yahoo.com> wrote
in alt.atheism
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Well, I think that if we speak of baking bread, that we can confine our
discussion to the kitchen. Certainly, if someone bakes a loaf or two
the 'old fashioned way' it reflects more favorably on the baker's
ability (if the results are good) than if the baker did it in the 'new
fangled way'. I think that the only way a baker would be considered a
cheat would be if he tried to pass off his bread baked in the 'new
fangled way' as having been done in the 'old fashioned way'.
I like the old fashioned way of living and cooking. I would like to
have a brick oven, a fireplace with a large cast iron pot hung from a
trammel filled with piping hot porridge, and a big old cast iron
kitchen woodstove.
I have a collection of cast iron cookware (80 or so pieces), skillets,
griddles, dutch ovens, muffin pans, pots, candy molds and etc. I also
have an assortment of things in the way of knives, gadgets and a
refractory stone for the oven upon which to baking a large pizza.
However all that may be, I am not against the latest kitchen amenities
such as bread makers, microwave cookware and such.
If I did have a classic old fashioned kitchen, new fangled stuff would
be banished from sight when not actually in use and the only thing
heretical in it, would be me, and some of my company.
http://www.lehmans.com/
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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01 Feb 2006 09:35:10 AM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On 30 Jan 2006 20:12:45 -0800, "L.Roberts" <ozzcat2003@yahoo.com> wrote
in alt.atheism
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Well, I think that if we speak of baking bread, that we can confine our
discussion to the kitchen. Certainly, if someone bakes a loaf or two
the 'old fashioned way' it reflects more favorably on the baker's
ability (if the results are good) than if the baker did it in the 'new
fangled way'. I think that the only way a baker would be considered a
cheat would be if he tried to pass off his bread baked in the 'new
fangled way' as having been done in the 'old fashioned way'.
I like the old fashioned way of living and cooking. I would like to
have a brick oven, a fireplace with a large cast iron pot hung from a
trammel filled with piping hot porridge, and a big old cast iron
kitchen woodstove.
I have a collection of cast iron cookware (80 or so pieces), skillets,
griddles, dutch ovens, muffin pans, pots, candy molds and etc. I also
have an assortment of things in the way of knives, gadgets and a
refractory stone for the oven upon which to baking a large pizza.
However all that may be, I am not against the latest kitchen amenities
such as bread makers, microwave cookware and such.
If I did have a classic old fashioned kitchen, new fangled stuff would
be banished from sight when not actually in use and the only thing
heretical in it, would be me, and some of my company.
http://www.lehmans.com/
Neato! I used to get their catalog.
I must admit that two of my favorite things to cook in are my grandmother's
old Dutch oven and cast-iron frying pan (which is great for making blackened
catfish on the grill) :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "stoney" |
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02 Feb 2006 12:38:38 PM |
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On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 10:35:10 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:j860u11pq7mnqir5jf7pdfe39mhct7b89r@4ax.com...
On 30 Jan 2006 20:12:45 -0800, "L.Roberts" <ozzcat2003@yahoo.com> wrote
in alt.atheism
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Well, I think that if we speak of baking bread, that we can confine our
discussion to the kitchen. Certainly, if someone bakes a loaf or two
the 'old fashioned way' it reflects more favorably on the baker's
ability (if the results are good) than if the baker did it in the 'new
fangled way'. I think that the only way a baker would be considered a
cheat would be if he tried to pass off his bread baked in the 'new
fangled way' as having been done in the 'old fashioned way'.
I like the old fashioned way of living and cooking. I would like to
have a brick oven, a fireplace with a large cast iron pot hung from a
trammel filled with piping hot porridge, and a big old cast iron
kitchen woodstove.
I have a collection of cast iron cookware (80 or so pieces), skillets,
griddles, dutch ovens, muffin pans, pots, candy molds and etc. I also
have an assortment of things in the way of knives, gadgets and a
refractory stone for the oven upon which to baking a large pizza.
However all that may be, I am not against the latest kitchen amenities
such as bread makers, microwave cookware and such.
If I did have a classic old fashioned kitchen, new fangled stuff would
be banished from sight when not actually in use and the only thing
heretical in it, would be me, and some of my company.
http://www.lehmans.com/
Neato! I used to get their catalog.
I must admit that two of my favorite things to cook in are my grandmother's
old Dutch oven and cast-iron frying pan (which is great for making blackened
catfish on the grill) :)
Interesting concept, making blackened catfish
on the grill of your car.... ;)
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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02 Feb 2006 01:36:46 PM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 10:35:10 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
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I must admit that two of my favorite things to cook in are my
grandmother's
old Dutch oven and cast-iron frying pan (which is great for making
blackened
catfish on the grill) :)
Interesting concept, making blackened catfish
on the grill of your car.... ;)
Har dee har har! :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "stoney" |
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03 Feb 2006 09:01:14 AM |
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On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:36:46 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 10:35:10 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
snip
I must admit that two of my favorite things to cook in are my
grandmother's
old Dutch oven and cast-iron frying pan (which is great for making
blackened
catfish on the grill) :)
Interesting concept, making blackened catfish
on the grill of your car.... ;)
Har dee har har! :)
Cheers!
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "L.Roberts." |
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31 Jan 2006 09:40:52 PM |
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stoney wrote:
On 30 Jan 2006 20:12:45 -0800, "L.Roberts" <ozzcat2003@yahoo.com> wrote
in alt.atheism
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Well, I think that if we speak of baking bread, that we can confine our
discussion to the kitchen. Certainly, if someone bakes a loaf or two
the 'old fashioned way' it reflects more favorably on the baker's
ability (if the results are good) than if the baker did it in the 'new
fangled way'. I think that the only way a baker would be considered a
cheat would be if he tried to pass off his bread baked in the 'new
fangled way' as having been done in the 'old fashioned way'.
I like the old fashioned way of living and cooking. I would like to
have a brick oven, a fireplace with a large cast iron pot hung from a
trammel filled with piping hot porridge, and a big old cast iron
kitchen woodstove.
I have a collection of cast iron cookware (80 or so pieces), skillets,
griddles, dutch ovens, muffin pans, pots, candy molds and etc. I also
have an assortment of things in the way of knives, gadgets and a
refractory stone for the oven upon which to baking a large pizza.
However all that may be, I am not against the latest kitchen amenities
such as bread makers, microwave cookware and such.
If I did have a classic old fashioned kitchen, new fangled stuff would
be banished from sight when not actually in use and the only thing
heretical in it, would be me, and some of my company.
http://www.lehmans.com/
kool, thanks! :-)
L.Roberts.
aw Hellboy #13
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "stoney" |
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01 Feb 2006 11:02:17 AM |
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On 31 Jan 2006 19:40:52 -0800, "L.Roberts." <ozzcat2003@yahoo.com> wrote
in alt.atheism
stoney wrote:
On 30 Jan 2006 20:12:45 -0800, "L.Roberts" <ozzcat2003@yahoo.com> wrote
in alt.atheism
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If I did have a classic old fashioned kitchen, new fangled stuff would
be banished from sight when not actually in use and the only thing
heretical in it, would be me, and some of my company.
http://www.lehmans.com/
kool, thanks! :-)
You're very welcome. They've got claw foot bathtubs, telephones that
look like the crank ones, refrigerators that look like ice boxes, and
much more. Walking through the humongous store's quite a trip!
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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In talk.atheism Ben Goren <ben@trumpetpower.com> wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
Ben Goren wrote:
When I was young, my parents spoiled me. In particular, we
never ate store-bought bread; my mom always baked bread
herself. But I've long since left the nest...and, though I
still don't buy bread--I can't stand the commercial stuff--I
don't often make it, myself.
That is, I didn't until a few weeks ago, when I took home an
unsold bread machine from a garage sale I was helping a friend
run. Since then, I've baked all kinds of stuff--bagels, pizza,
hot dog buns--and, yes, loaves of bread. On the one hand, it
feels like cheating--there's little more effort involved than
in dumping some stuff in the machine and pressing a button. On
the other hand...I've discovered that I don't give a damn, that
I'm quite happy to cheat.
So, my question to y'all: what sorts of things do you do that
you consider ``cheating,'' but happily do anyway?
That's technology! Technology isn't cheating, man! ;-)
Well...no, not really. But it sure feels like it at times. I guess
that's my point: what kind of technology do you use to do things
that, for whatever irrational reason, you think should be done
without technology?
If you consider techology to be "cheating" then you should be going out
there and growing your own wheat, grinding it on a stone, building a fire by
rubbing sticks together, make a clay pot to boil the water in, etc.
Oh, wait, even THAT much involves primative technology. Guess you're
screwed, eh? :)
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Mike
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"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop
thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do
we," George W. "Shrub" Bush Aug 5, 2004
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02 Feb 2006 01:38:37 PM |
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Ben Goren wrote:
So, my question to y'all: what sorts of things do you do that you
consider ``cheating,'' but happily do anyway?
I use ready-made pie crusts, rather than slog through the act of making
the stuff from scratch. <plug>The Pillsbury pie crusts are so good
that it's impossible to tell that it's not the home-made stuff.</plug>
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
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02 Feb 2006 01:55:00 PM |
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"skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote in message
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Ben Goren wrote:
So, my question to y'all: what sorts of things do you do that you
consider ``cheating,'' but happily do anyway?
I use ready-made pie crusts, rather than slog through the act of making
the stuff from scratch. <plug>The Pillsbury pie crusts are so good
that it's impossible to tell that it's not the home-made stuff.</plug>
Aren't those fabulous?!? My daughter and I have made some wonderful apple
pies with those.
Another great thing to do with them is lay them out on a baking sheet, cut
into strips with a pizza cutter, sprinkle with cinnamon sugar and bake until
lightly browned.
Bet you can't eat just one :)
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Robyn
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03 Feb 2006 08:49:26 AM |
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Another great thing to do with them is lay them out on a baking sheet,
cut
into strips with a pizza cutter, sprinkle with cinnamon sugar and bake
until
lightly browned.
Oh, those do sound good! I might have to try that. Do you brush it with
butter first or just use the sugar?
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03 Feb 2006 11:20:20 AM |
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<MariaT3@aol.com> wrote in message
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Another great thing to do with them is lay them out on a baking sheet,
cut
into strips with a pizza cutter, sprinkle with cinnamon sugar and bake
until
lightly browned.
Oh, those do sound good! I might have to try that. Do you brush it with
butter first or just use the sugar?
I honestly can't remember - I got the recipe from a family friend years ago.
I don't think the butter would hurt! :)
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| User: "L.Roberts" |
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29 Jan 2006 07:39:23 PM |
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Ben Goren wrote:
When I was young, my parents spoiled me. In particular, we never
ate store-bought bread; my mom always baked bread herself. But
I've long since left the nest...and, though I still don't buy
bread--I can't stand the commercial stuff--I don't often make it,
myself.
That is, I didn't until a few weeks ago, when I took home an
unsold bread machine from a garage sale I was helping a friend
run. Since then, I've baked all kinds of stuff--bagels, pizza, hot
dog buns--and, yes, loaves of bread. On the one hand, it feels
like cheating--there's little more effort involved than in dumping
some stuff in the machine and pressing a button. On the other
hand...I've discovered that I don't give a damn, that I'm quite
happy to cheat.
So, my question to y'all: what sorts of things do you do that you
consider ``cheating,'' but happily do anyway?
Oh--and, for those who care and who have a bread machine, here's
how to make bagels. And, no, those round things you get at a
certain store that shares a name with a certain physicist aren't
really bagels--they just vaguely resemble them.
Start this at about 6:00 in the morning, and you've got enough
time to bake the bagels, shower, read the news, shave, and the
like and still be out the door before 8:00. Who needs bagel runs
when you've got a bread machine?
Dump in the bread machine in the order recommended by the
manufacturer:
1 TABLESPOON yeast
3 cups bread (high-gluten) flour
4 teaspoons sugar
2 teaspoons salt
1 cup water
Let the machine do the dough cycle only. When it beeps to add
mix-in ingredients, add:
1/4 cup dried chopped onions
2 TABLESPOONS poppy seeds
Remove the dough from the machine and divide into eight
parts. Roll each into a six-inch rope. Moisten the ends, wrap
around three fingers, and press the ends together to form the
dough into a ring. Let rise at least 15 minutes.
Boil a few quarts of water and a tablespoon of salt in the largest
pot you have--a wok works great. (This will probably take about
fifteen minutes, so start the water going after you're done
shaping the dough.) Drop in as many bagels at a time as won't
crowd each other for three minutes, turning often. You might have
to cover the pot to keep it boiling. Remove the bagels to a
greased baking sheet.
Bake in a pre-heated 425 oF oven (turn it on the same time you
start the water boiling) for about 25 minutes, until crust is
browned.
Even better, invest about $10 in a stone baking brick, like what
you can get for pizzas from many boutique grocery stores. Have it
in the oven when you turn on the heat; in this case, about 375 oF
for about ten minutes will do the trick. Remove the boiled bagels
directly to the stone, or to a plate and then the stone if there's
not enough room to boil them all at once.
If you really want to do it right, serve the bagels open-faced,
spread with cream cheese and topped with lox and fresh onions.
Cheers,
b&
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I use frozen bread dough for loaves of bread and pizza crust, now
that's cheating. :-)
L.Roberts.
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30 Jan 2006 09:11:12 AM |
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"L.Roberts" <ozzcat2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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snip
I use frozen bread dough for loaves of bread and pizza crust, now
that's cheating. :-)
I buy my bread already made at the store - I can't be bothered with making
it and I DO have a bread machine.
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30 Jan 2006 11:11:10 AM |
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L.Roberts wrote:
I use frozen bread dough for loaves of bread and pizza crust,
now that's cheating. :-)
Ick. I suppose that's better than nothing...but have you actually
looked at the ingredients? The ***** they put in that stuff is
enough to pickle a rat....
You might really want to look into getting a bread machine. It's
all of two minutes more work for you....
Cheers,
b&
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| User: "Evie" |
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01 Feb 2006 08:43:31 AM |
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This thread reminds me of the announcement I made to all friends/family
prior to my upcoming wedding (wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy back there....) that I
would never ever use an electric can opener; it was so....gauche and
lazy.
Many years later, I have just about every gadget/kitchen convenience
out there (minus the bread machine...we have too many great bread shops
here in the Pacific Northwest). I think the electric can opener was
the first purchase. Go figure. <G>
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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01 Feb 2006 11:40:00 AM |
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"Evie" <EvieC123@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1138805011.376036.200520@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
This thread reminds me of the announcement I made to all friends/family
prior to my upcoming wedding (wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy back there....) that I
would never ever use an electric can opener; it was so....gauche and
lazy.
Many years later, I have just about every gadget/kitchen convenience
out there (minus the bread machine...we have too many great bread shops
here in the Pacific Northwest). I think the electric can opener was
the first purchase. Go figure. <G>
LOL, they are great. When I got a new one at my wedding shower, I threw
away the old one that had been my grandmother's. Newer is better, right?
Wrong! The new one was terrible and grandma's was long gone. So, back to
the manual version (which is a real pain in the ***** when you're making a
huge pot of spaghetti sauce) :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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01 Feb 2006 05:28:57 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:44ca0cF1ffdoU1@individual.net:
"Evie" <EvieC123@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1138805011.376036.200520@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
This thread reminds me of the announcement I made to all friends/family
prior to my upcoming wedding (wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy back there....) that I
would never ever use an electric can opener; it was so....gauche and
lazy.
Many years later, I have just about every gadget/kitchen convenience
out there (minus the bread machine...we have too many great bread shops
here in the Pacific Northwest). I think the electric can opener was
the first purchase. Go figure. <G>
LOL, they are great. When I got a new one at my wedding shower, I threw
away the old one that had been my grandmother's. Newer is better,
right? Wrong! The new one was terrible and grandma's was long gone.
So, back to the manual version (which is a real pain in the ***** when
you're making a huge pot of spaghetti sauce) :)
With the adoption of pull-tab lids, the can opener will soon become an
un-needed item.
Grandma's heavy hand cranked chrome opener was quick, easy, and lasted
forever. Soon your can opener will last forever as it won't ever be used.
pierce
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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02 Feb 2006 08:31:29 AM |
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"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns975DB1DD3725Cmc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:44ca0cF1ffdoU1@individual.net:
"Evie" <EvieC123@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1138805011.376036.200520@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
This thread reminds me of the announcement I made to all friends/family
prior to my upcoming wedding (wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy back there....) that I
would never ever use an electric can opener; it was so....gauche and
lazy.
Many years later, I have just about every gadget/kitchen convenience
out there (minus the bread machine...we have too many great bread shops
here in the Pacific Northwest). I think the electric can opener was
the first purchase. Go figure. <G>
LOL, they are great. When I got a new one at my wedding shower, I threw
away the old one that had been my grandmother's. Newer is better,
right? Wrong! The new one was terrible and grandma's was long gone.
So, back to the manual version (which is a real pain in the ***** when
you're making a huge pot of spaghetti sauce) :)
With the adoption of pull-tab lids, the can opener will soon become an
un-needed item.
True. I'm glad cat food cans come that way.
Grandma's heavy hand cranked chrome opener was quick, easy, and lasted
forever. Soon your can opener will last forever as it won't ever be used.
I actually have one of those hand-cranked things that bolts into the wall -
they're great! We just never reattached it after having the kitchen redone.
Maybe I'll try to convince the husband to put it up.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "stoney" |
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02 Feb 2006 12:41:28 PM |
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On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:31:29 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns975DB1DD3725Cmc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:44ca0cF1ffdoU1@individual.net:
"Evie" <EvieC123@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1138805011.376036.200520@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
This thread reminds me of the announcement I made to all friends/family
prior to my upcoming wedding (wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy back there....) that I
would never ever use an electric can opener; it was so....gauche and
lazy.
Many years later, I have just about every gadget/kitchen convenience
out there (minus the bread machine...we have too many great bread shops
here in the Pacific Northwest). I think the electric can opener was
the first purchase. Go figure. <G>
LOL, they are great. When I got a new one at my wedding shower, I threw
away the old one that had been my grandmother's. Newer is better,
right? Wrong! The new one was terrible and grandma's was long gone.
So, back to the manual version (which is a real pain in the ***** when
you're making a huge pot of spaghetti sauce) :)
With the adoption of pull-tab lids, the can opener will soon become an
un-needed item.
True. I'm glad cat food cans come that way.
Grandma's heavy hand cranked chrome opener was quick, easy, and lasted
forever. Soon your can opener will last forever as it won't ever be used.
I actually have one of those hand-cranked things that bolts into the wall -
they're great! We just never reattached it after having the kitchen redone.
Maybe I'll try to convince the husband to put it up.
You can't handle a couple of small bolts? [puzzled]
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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02 Feb 2006 01:38:11 PM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:1ik4u1d5nc02oq0ol8ib1h72rfsp8lvjtr@4ax.com...
On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:31:29 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
snip
I actually have one of those hand-cranked things that bolts into the
wall -
they're great! We just never reattached it after having the kitchen
redone.
Maybe I'll try to convince the husband to put it up.
You can't handle a couple of small bolts? [puzzled]
Well, you know, every once in a blue moon, I think it's a good idea if the
husband lifts a finger around the house. I have my pride, you know ;)
I've been waiting two years so far ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "stoney" |
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03 Feb 2006 09:02:38 AM |
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On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:38:11 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:1ik4u1d5nc02oq0ol8ib1h72rfsp8lvjtr@4ax.com...
On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:31:29 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
snip
I actually have one of those hand-cranked things that bolts into the
wall -
they're great! We just never reattached it after having the kitchen
redone.
Maybe I'll try to convince the husband to put it up.
You can't handle a couple of small bolts? [puzzled]
Well, you know, every once in a blue moon, I think it's a good idea if the
husband lifts a finger around the house. I have my pride, you know ;)
I've been waiting two years so far ;)
[chuckling]
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "" |
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04 Feb 2006 06:23:10 AM |
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In talk.atheism stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:31:29 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns975DB1DD3725Cmc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:44ca0cF1ffdoU1@individual.net:
"Evie" <EvieC123@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1138805011.376036.200520@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
This thread reminds me of the announcement I made to all friends/family
prior to my upcoming wedding (wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy back there....) that I
would never ever use an electric can opener; it was so....gauche and
lazy.
Many years later, I have just about every gadget/kitchen convenience
out there (minus the bread machine...we have too many great bread shops
here in the Pacific Northwest). I think the electric can opener was
the first purchase. Go figure. <G>
LOL, they are great. When I got a new one at my wedding shower, I threw
away the old one that had been my grandmother's. Newer is better,
right? Wrong! The new one was terrible and grandma's was long gone.
So, back to the manual version (which is a real pain in the ***** when
you're making a huge pot of spaghetti sauce) :)
With the adoption of pull-tab lids, the can opener will soon become an
un-needed item.
True. I'm glad cat food cans come that way.
Grandma's heavy hand cranked chrome opener was quick, easy, and lasted
forever. Soon your can opener will last forever as it won't ever be used.
I actually have one of those hand-cranked things that bolts into the wall -
they're great! We just never reattached it after having the kitchen redone.
Maybe I'll try to convince the husband to put it up.
You can't handle a couple of small bolts? [puzzled]
Nah, she can handle the bolts. It's the nuts that she can't deal with ;)
--
Mike
-------------------------------
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop
thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do
we," George W. "Shrub" Bush Aug 5, 2004
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: OT: How do you cheat? |
04 Feb 2006 09:29:29 AM |
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<prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote in message
news:ds26be$8epp$3@news3.infoave.net...
In talk.atheism stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:31:29 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns975DB1DD3725Cmc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:44ca0cF1ffdoU1@individual.net:
"Evie" <EvieC123@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1138805011.376036.200520@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
This thread reminds me of the announcement I made to all
friends/family
prior to my upcoming wedding (wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy back there....) that I
would never ever use an electric can opener; it was so....gauche and
lazy.
Many years later, I have just about every gadget/kitchen convenience
out there (minus the bread machine...we have too many great bread
shops
here in the Pacific Northwest). I think the electric can opener was
the first purchase. Go figure. <G>
LOL, they are great. When I got a new one at my wedding shower, I
threw
away the old one that had been my grandmother's. Newer is better,
right? Wrong! The new one was terrible and grandma's was long gone.
So, back to the manual version (which is a real pain in the ***** when
you're making a huge pot of spaghetti sauce) :)
With the adoption of pull-tab lids, the can opener will soon become an
un-needed item.
True. I'm glad cat food cans come that way.
Grandma's heavy hand cranked chrome opener was quick, easy, and lasted
forever. Soon your can opener will last forever as it won't ever be
used.
I actually have one of those hand-cranked things that bolts into the
wall -
they're great! We just never reattached it after having the kitchen
redone.
Maybe I'll try to convince the husband to put it up.
You can't handle a couple of small bolts? [puzzled]
Nah, she can handle the bolts. It's the nuts that she can't deal with ;)
Hon, I'm marred to one ;)
Who, believe it or not, is actually finishing up the kitchen re-modeling
originally started two years ago. I'm in a state of shock. I must be
careful not to frighten him away ;)
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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