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24 Jul 2006 04:29:28 PM |
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OT: How many smoke tobacco? Tried to quit? Did quit? |
I started at about age 21 and tried to stop several times, each time I
graduated from cigarettes to a pipe, then after a good long quit the
cigar craze got me. I'm finally done pretending that there is any safe
use for tobacco at all. My last smoke was in May 2002.
It just totally appalls me that marijuana is illegal while tobacco is
a known killer and the tobacco sellers target kids to replace the
400,000 dead ex-smokers per year, while people buy stock, the tobacco
companies are too wealthy to be regulated and they lobby heavily. To
me that's proof that the wealthy do not care about knowingly killing
human beings as long as there is a profit.
How 'bout you?
Sunyata
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24 Jul 2006 08:14:36 PM |
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<Sunyata@wastherain.net> wrote in message
news:bgeac29o3hpvekj4vl34tc96gn565vh0qi@4ax.com...
I started at about age 21 and tried to stop several times, each time I
graduated from cigarettes to a pipe, then after a good long quit the
cigar craze got me. I'm finally done pretending that there is any safe
use for tobacco at all. My last smoke was in May 2002.
It just totally appalls me that marijuana is illegal while tobacco is
a known killer and the tobacco sellers target kids to replace the
400,000 dead ex-smokers per year, while people buy stock, the tobacco
companies are too wealthy to be regulated and they lobby heavily. To
me that's proof that the wealthy do not care about knowingly killing
human beings as long as there is a profit.
How 'bout you?
I quit 3 and a half years ago, after 13 or so years of smoking cigarettes.
Smoked a pack a day regularly, that jumped to at least 2 packs if I spent
any serious time drinking. I used a patch for the first two weeks, slowly
weaning myself off them w/ smaller doses during that time, and then just
used will power. I also confronted the drinking/smoking conundrum head on
and never looked back.
I was never much of a cigar smoker, but I don't touch them now to avoid any
potential relapse. While in Amsterdam recently, my friends would smoke
mixed tobacco/pot joints. But I made sure to roll my own "pure" joints -
but I never got the whole mixing thing even when I smoked cigarettes. And I
think pot should be legalized and taxed heavily. We would save a shitload
of time, money and resources if law enforcement wasn't wasting all three
trying to catch pot growers, users, etc.
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Aloha, G-Ride
The force that's forcing you to feel like busting up a Starbucks.
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25 Jul 2006 04:00:51 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:14:36 -1000, "G-Ride" <gride42nospam@yahoo.com>
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<Sunyata@wastherain.net> wrote in message
news:bgeac29o3hpvekj4vl34tc96gn565vh0qi@4ax.com...
I started at about age 21 and tried to stop several times, each time I
graduated from cigarettes to a pipe, then after a good long quit the
cigar craze got me. I'm finally done pretending that there is any safe
use for tobacco at all. My last smoke was in May 2002.
It just totally appalls me that marijuana is illegal while tobacco is
a known killer and the tobacco sellers target kids to replace the
400,000 dead ex-smokers per year, while people buy stock, the tobacco
companies are too wealthy to be regulated and they lobby heavily. To
me that's proof that the wealthy do not care about knowingly killing
human beings as long as there is a profit.
How 'bout you?
I quit 3 and a half years ago, after 13 or so years of smoking cigarettes.
Smoked a pack a day regularly, that jumped to at least 2 packs if I spent
any serious time drinking. I used a patch for the first two weeks, slowly
weaning myself off them w/ smaller doses during that time, and then just
used will power. I also confronted the drinking/smoking conundrum head on
and never looked back.
I was never much of a cigar smoker, but I don't touch them now to avoid any
potential relapse. While in Amsterdam recently, my friends would smoke
mixed tobacco/pot joints. But I made sure to roll my own "pure" joints -
but I never got the whole mixing thing even when I smoked cigarettes. And I
think pot should be legalized and taxed heavily. We would save a shitload
of time, money and resources if law enforcement wasn't wasting all three
trying to catch pot growers, users, etc.
Good show.
:)
Sunyata
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| User: "GoDrex" |
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24 Jul 2006 09:34:23 PM |
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<Sunyata@wastherain.net> wrote in message
news:bgeac29o3hpvekj4vl34tc96gn565vh0qi@4ax.com...
I started at about age 21 and tried to stop several times, each time I
graduated from cigarettes to a pipe, then after a good long quit the
cigar craze got me. I'm finally done pretending that there is any safe
use for tobacco at all. My last smoke was in May 2002.
It just totally appalls me that marijuana is illegal while tobacco is
a known killer and the tobacco sellers target kids to replace the
400,000 dead ex-smokers per year, while people buy stock, the tobacco
companies are too wealthy to be regulated and they lobby heavily. To
me that's proof that the wealthy do not care about knowingly killing
human beings as long as there is a profit.
How 'bout you?
Sunyata
smoked cigarettes from 16 - 27 and I haven't had any in 10 years. Smoking is
really fucking stupid and once you REALLY get that into your head it makes
it easy to quit. Otherwise you just rationalize why it's not stupid and you
do it anyway.
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| User: "" |
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25 Jul 2006 04:01:15 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:34:23 -0400, "GoDrex" <godrex35@hotmail.com>
wrote:
<Sunyata@wastherain.net> wrote in message
news:bgeac29o3hpvekj4vl34tc96gn565vh0qi@4ax.com...
I started at about age 21 and tried to stop several times, each time I
graduated from cigarettes to a pipe, then after a good long quit the
cigar craze got me. I'm finally done pretending that there is any safe
use for tobacco at all. My last smoke was in May 2002.
It just totally appalls me that marijuana is illegal while tobacco is
a known killer and the tobacco sellers target kids to replace the
400,000 dead ex-smokers per year, while people buy stock, the tobacco
companies are too wealthy to be regulated and they lobby heavily. To
me that's proof that the wealthy do not care about knowingly killing
human beings as long as there is a profit.
How 'bout you?
Sunyata
smoked cigarettes from 16 - 27 and I haven't had any in 10 years. Smoking is
really fucking stupid and once you REALLY get that into your head it makes
it easy to quit. Otherwise you just rationalize why it's not stupid and you
do it anyway.
Yep! :)
Sunyata
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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24 Jul 2006 04:59:15 PM |
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wrote in news:bgeac29o3hpvekj4vl34tc96gn565vh0qi@
4ax.com:
I started at about age 21 and tried to stop several times, each time I
graduated from cigarettes to a pipe, then after a good long quit the
cigar craze got me. I'm finally done pretending that there is any safe
use for tobacco at all. My last smoke was in May 2002.
It just totally appalls me that marijuana is illegal while tobacco is
a known killer and the tobacco sellers target kids to replace the
400,000 dead ex-smokers per year, while people buy stock, the tobacco
companies are too wealthy to be regulated and they lobby heavily. To
me that's proof that the wealthy do not care about knowingly killing
human beings as long as there is a profit.
How 'bout you?
Sunyata
What difference does it make? If people want to kill themselves, let them.
Personal liberty is a wonderful thing.
"Live free or die"
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| User: "GoDrex" |
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24 Jul 2006 09:35:12 PM |
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"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns980AACCE36596mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
Sunyata@wastherain.net wrote in news:bgeac29o3hpvekj4vl34tc96gn565vh0qi@
4ax.com:
I started at about age 21 and tried to stop several times, each time I
graduated from cigarettes to a pipe, then after a good long quit the
cigar craze got me. I'm finally done pretending that there is any safe
use for tobacco at all. My last smoke was in May 2002.
It just totally appalls me that marijuana is illegal while tobacco is
a known killer and the tobacco sellers target kids to replace the
400,000 dead ex-smokers per year, while people buy stock, the tobacco
companies are too wealthy to be regulated and they lobby heavily. To
me that's proof that the wealthy do not care about knowingly killing
human beings as long as there is a profit.
How 'bout you?
Sunyata
What difference does it make? If people want to kill themselves, let
them.
Personal liberty is a wonderful thing.
"Live free or die"
HAHAHAHAHAHA good one man!
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| User: "stoney" |
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02 Aug 2006 05:45:51 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:59:15 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Sunyata@wastherain.net wrote in news:bgeac29o3hpvekj4vl34tc96gn565vh0qi@
4ax.com:
I started at about age 21 and tried to stop several times, each time I
graduated from cigarettes to a pipe, then after a good long quit the
cigar craze got me. I'm finally done pretending that there is any safe
use for tobacco at all. My last smoke was in May 2002.
It just totally appalls me that marijuana is illegal while tobacco is
a known killer and the tobacco sellers target kids to replace the
400,000 dead ex-smokers per year, while people buy stock, the tobacco
companies are too wealthy to be regulated and they lobby heavily. To
me that's proof that the wealthy do not care about knowingly killing
human beings as long as there is a profit.
How 'bout you?
Sunyata
What difference does it make? If people want to kill themselves, let them.
Personal liberty is a wonderful thing.
"Live free or die"
Live free and die anyway.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "" |
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24 Jul 2006 07:47:03 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:59:15 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Sunyata@wastherain.net wrote in news:bgeac29o3hpvekj4vl34tc96gn565vh0qi@
4ax.com:
I started at about age 21 and tried to stop several times, each time I
graduated from cigarettes to a pipe, then after a good long quit the
cigar craze got me. I'm finally done pretending that there is any safe
use for tobacco at all. My last smoke was in May 2002.
It just totally appalls me that marijuana is illegal while tobacco is
a known killer and the tobacco sellers target kids to replace the
400,000 dead ex-smokers per year, while people buy stock, the tobacco
companies are too wealthy to be regulated and they lobby heavily. To
me that's proof that the wealthy do not care about knowingly killing
human beings as long as there is a profit.
How 'bout you?
Sunyata
What difference does it make? If people want to kill themselves, let them.
Personal liberty is a wonderful thing.
"Live free or die"
OK, if all drugs were legal that logic fits. But if the government
really pretended to protect us from the nasty drug dealers it would
outlaw tobacco and legalize at least pot. The current status only
proves how hypocritical and greedy most of the wealthy really are.
They only do what enriches them, at whatever cost it is to us in life,
health and money.
At least the seller could admit that their product is lethal when used
as directed.
Sunyata
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: OT: How many smoke tobacco? Tried to quit? Did quit? |
16 Aug 2006 02:25:24 PM |
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R. Pierce Butler wrote:
Sunyata@wastherain.net wrote in news:bgeac29o3hpvekj4vl34tc96gn565vh0qi@
4ax.com:
What difference does it make? If people want to kill themselves, let them.
Personal liberty is a wonderful thing.
*If* only the smokers themselves were affected, that would be
one thing. But since second hand smoke has been proven to cause
cancer (never mind the stink, annoyance and pollution) your
argument is not valid.
Bob Dog
Atheist #153 = 1^3 + 5^3 + 3^3
EAC's chief cook and brainwasher
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"The people we starve and torture have an unsociable
tendency to steal and murder. We think it's because
their brows overhang."
- Ann Druyan
"Our religion is Christ, our politics Fatherland!"
- Hans Schemm, Bavarian Minister
of Education and Culture (1930s)
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| User: "Olrik" |
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24 Jul 2006 10:40:43 PM |
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wrote:
I started at about age 21 and tried to stop several times, each time I
graduated from cigarettes to a pipe, then after a good long quit the
cigar craze got me. I'm finally done pretending that there is any safe
use for tobacco at all. My last smoke was in May 2002.
It just totally appalls me that marijuana is illegal while tobacco is
a known killer and the tobacco sellers target kids to replace the
400,000 dead ex-smokers per year, while people buy stock, the tobacco
companies are too wealthy to be regulated and they lobby heavily. To
me that's proof that the wealthy do not care about knowingly killing
human beings as long as there is a profit.
How 'bout you?
Gee, I'm in the minority here... I smoke like a chimney (two packs a
day).
But coincidentally, I've been looking around local stop-smoking
resources for the past couple of weeks.
I remember a few years ago someone here recommended me a book that
helped him quit. I bought the book, but never read it... I guess it's
time to give it a try...
Smoking is utterly stupid and perfectly useless, but just thinking
about quitting gives me the willies.
I'll stop commiserating now and congratulates the "quitters".
BTW, yes, marijuana should be legal.
Olrik
Sunyata
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| User: "Gospel Bretts" |
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24 Jul 2006 10:48:17 PM |
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On 24 Jul 2006 20:40:43 -0700, "Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote:
Sunyata@wastherain.net wrote:
I started at about age 21 and tried to stop several times, each time I
graduated from cigarettes to a pipe, then after a good long quit the
cigar craze got me. I'm finally done pretending that there is any safe
use for tobacco at all. My last smoke was in May 2002.
It just totally appalls me that marijuana is illegal while tobacco is
a known killer and the tobacco sellers target kids to replace the
400,000 dead ex-smokers per year, while people buy stock, the tobacco
companies are too wealthy to be regulated and they lobby heavily. To
me that's proof that the wealthy do not care about knowingly killing
human beings as long as there is a profit.
How 'bout you?
Gee, I'm in the minority here... I smoke like a chimney (two packs a
day).
Yikes. Well, it's never too late, Olrik. I smoked 2-3 packs per day
for 23 years.
__________________
Gospel Bretts
a.a. Atheist #2262
Fundy Xian Atheist
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| User: "Olrik" |
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24 Jul 2006 11:34:11 PM |
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Gospel Bretts wrote:
On 24 Jul 2006 20:40:43 -0700, "Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote:
Sunyata@wastherain.net wrote:
I started at about age 21 and tried to stop several times, each time I
graduated from cigarettes to a pipe, then after a good long quit the
cigar craze got me. I'm finally done pretending that there is any safe
use for tobacco at all. My last smoke was in May 2002.
It just totally appalls me that marijuana is illegal while tobacco is
a known killer and the tobacco sellers target kids to replace the
400,000 dead ex-smokers per year, while people buy stock, the tobacco
companies are too wealthy to be regulated and they lobby heavily. To
me that's proof that the wealthy do not care about knowingly killing
human beings as long as there is a profit.
How 'bout you?
Gee, I'm in the minority here... I smoke like a chimney (two packs a
day).
Yikes. Well, it's never too late, Olrik. I smoked 2-3 packs per day
for 23 years.
Congrats, man. I still (relatively) enjoy smoking, but after more than
30 years of doing it, I think this nasty, coslty, idiotic habit has got
to go before it kills me.
Olrik
__________________
Gospel Bretts
a.a. Atheist #2262
Fundy Xian Atheist
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25 Jul 2006 12:04:01 AM |
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Olrik wrote:
Gospel Bretts wrote:
On 24 Jul 2006 20:40:43 -0700, "Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote:
Sunyata@wastherain.net wrote:
I started at about age 21 and tried to stop several times, each time I
graduated from cigarettes to a pipe, then after a good long quit the
cigar craze got me. I'm finally done pretending that there is any safe
use for tobacco at all. My last smoke was in May 2002.
It just totally appalls me that marijuana is illegal while tobacco is
a known killer and the tobacco sellers target kids to replace the
400,000 dead ex-smokers per year, while people buy stock, the tobacco
companies are too wealthy to be regulated and they lobby heavily. To
me that's proof that the wealthy do not care about knowingly killing
human beings as long as there is a profit.
How 'bout you?
Gee, I'm in the minority here... I smoke like a chimney (two packs a
day).
Yikes. Well, it's never too late, Olrik. I smoked 2-3 packs per day
for 23 years.
Congrats, man. I still (relatively) enjoy smoking, but after more than
30 years of doing it, I think this nasty, coslty, idiotic habit has got
to go before it kills me.
Y'know, that's strange. I still enjoy it, too. The *only* reason I'm
thinking of quitting is because of the health problems. Doesn't help
that I grew up in North Carolina, and absolutely love old-timey tobacco
culture. I think the plants are beautiful. I love the smell of the
harvested leaves. NC without flue-cure barns would be like Holland
without windmills.
<sigh> Damn shame it's killing me.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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| User: "Olrik" |
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25 Jul 2006 12:38:45 AM |
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wrote:
Olrik wrote:
Gospel Bretts wrote:
On 24 Jul 2006 20:40:43 -0700, "Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote:
Sunyata@wastherain.net wrote:
I started at about age 21 and tried to stop several times, each time I
graduated from cigarettes to a pipe, then after a good long quit the
cigar craze got me. I'm finally done pretending that there is any safe
use for tobacco at all. My last smoke was in May 2002.
It just totally appalls me that marijuana is illegal while tobacco is
a known killer and the tobacco sellers target kids to replace the
400,000 dead ex-smokers per year, while people buy stock, the tobacco
companies are too wealthy to be regulated and they lobby heavily. To
me that's proof that the wealthy do not care about knowingly killing
human beings as long as there is a profit.
How 'bout you?
Gee, I'm in the minority here... I smoke like a chimney (two packs a
day).
Yikes. Well, it's never too late, Olrik. I smoked 2-3 packs per day
for 23 years.
Congrats, man. I still (relatively) enjoy smoking, but after more than
30 years of doing it, I think this nasty, coslty, idiotic habit has got
to go before it kills me.
Y'know, that's strange. I still enjoy it, too. The *only* reason I'm
thinking of quitting is because of the health problems.
Yeah. What got me thinking about quitting recently is that my cleaning
lady's husband has lung cancer. He's only 57. Yuck.
Doesn't help
that I grew up in North Carolina, and absolutely love old-timey tobacco
culture. I think the plants are beautiful. I love the smell of the
harvested leaves. NC without flue-cure barns would be like Holland
without windmills.
While everybody in my family smoked (I mean, *everybody*), I think what
got me is my grandmother. She probably smoked only a couple of cigs a
day, but she had a ritual that I tried to emulate : after a meal, she'd
have a cigarette with a mint candy. She looked so happy...
<sigh> Damn shame it's killing me.
Indeed. Isn't bizarre though that everything enjoyable is "killing" us?
Alcohol, sugar, salt, fat, tobacco...
Heck, I'll give up tobacco if I can still get the others!
Olrik
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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| User: "GoDrex" |
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25 Jul 2006 01:14:20 AM |
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"Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153805925.125871.302050@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Indeed. Isn't bizarre though that everything enjoyable is "killing" us?
Alcohol, sugar, salt, fat, tobacco...
well smoking is the only one of those that you have to learn to enjoy. Not
too many people enjoy there first attempts at inhaling...
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| User: "Olrik" |
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25 Jul 2006 01:23:51 AM |
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GoDrex wrote:
"Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153805925.125871.302050@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Indeed. Isn't bizarre though that everything enjoyable is "killing" us?
Alcohol, sugar, salt, fat, tobacco...
well smoking is the only one of those that you have to learn to enjoy. Not
too many people enjoy there first attempts at inhaling...
True. I hated the first few times I tried, but I was *not* a quitter!
No sireee!
Hummm....
;-)
Olrik
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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14 Aug 2006 06:55:28 PM |
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Olrik wrote:
Gospel Bretts wrote:
On 24 Jul 2006 20:40:43 -0700, "Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote:
Sunyata@wastherain.net wrote:
I started at about age 21 and tried to stop several times, each time I
graduated from cigarettes to a pipe, then after a good long quit the
cigar craze got me. I'm finally done pretending that there is any safe
use for tobacco at all. My last smoke was in May 2002.
It just totally appalls me that marijuana is illegal while tobacco is
a known killer and the tobacco sellers target kids to replace the
400,000 dead ex-smokers per year, while people buy stock, the tobacco
companies are too wealthy to be regulated and they lobby heavily. To
me that's proof that the wealthy do not care about knowingly killing
human beings as long as there is a profit.
How 'bout you?
Gee, I'm in the minority here... I smoke like a chimney (two packs a
day).
Yikes. Well, it's never too late, Olrik. I smoked 2-3 packs per day
for 23 years.
Congrats, man. I still (relatively) enjoy smoking, but after more than
30 years of doing it, I think this nasty, coslty, idiotic habit has got
to go before it kills me.
You can do it, Olrik. I smoked nearly 2 packs a day for 30 years. I
finally quit cold turkey, on a bet with My Fella. (He lost then, but
quit for good a couple years later.)
I suffered like hell for 2 days, and the cravings didn't totally fade
away for the next 18 months or so, but I'm finally there. It's worth
the effort, kiddo.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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14 Aug 2006 07:40:26 PM |
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"skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote in message
news:1155599728.575596.46260@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Olrik wrote:
Gospel Bretts wrote:
On 24 Jul 2006 20:40:43 -0700, "Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote:
Sunyata@wastherain.net wrote:
I started at about age 21 and tried to stop several times, each time
I
graduated from cigarettes to a pipe, then after a good long quit the
cigar craze got me. I'm finally done pretending that there is any
safe
use for tobacco at all. My last smoke was in May 2002.
It just totally appalls me that marijuana is illegal while tobacco
is
a known killer and the tobacco sellers target kids to replace the
400,000 dead ex-smokers per year, while people buy stock, the
tobacco
companies are too wealthy to be regulated and they lobby heavily. To
me that's proof that the wealthy do not care about knowingly killing
human beings as long as there is a profit.
How 'bout you?
Gee, I'm in the minority here... I smoke like a chimney (two packs a
day).
Yikes. Well, it's never too late, Olrik. I smoked 2-3 packs per day
for 23 years.
Congrats, man. I still (relatively) enjoy smoking, but after more than
30 years of doing it, I think this nasty, coslty, idiotic habit has got
to go before it kills me.
You can do it, Olrik. I smoked nearly 2 packs a day for 30 years. I
finally quit cold turkey, on a bet with My Fella. (He lost then, but
quit for good a couple years later.)
I suffered like hell for 2 days, and the cravings didn't totally fade
away for the next 18 months or so, but I'm finally there. It's worth
the effort, kiddo.
I'm on day 4 and doing fine (though I am using the Nicoderm patch). The
main thing that's getting to me now is that I cut out coffee because I was
afraid of the cravings it might bring. However, I think I'm going to have
to learn to live with that as I was droopy all day today and nodded off
around 7:00! The kid actually just woke me up.
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Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
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15 Aug 2006 04:19:57 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:40:26 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote in message
news:1155599728.575596.46260@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Olrik wrote:
Gospel Bretts wrote:
On 24 Jul 2006 20:40:43 -0700, "Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote:
Sunyata@wastherain.net wrote:
I started at about age 21 and tried to stop several times, each time
I
graduated from cigarettes to a pipe, then after a good long quit the
cigar craze got me. I'm finally done pretending that there is any
safe
use for tobacco at all. My last smoke was in May 2002.
It just totally appalls me that marijuana is illegal while tobacco
is
a known killer and the tobacco sellers target kids to replace the
400,000 dead ex-smokers per year, while people buy stock, the
tobacco
companies are too wealthy to be regulated and they lobby heavily. To
me that's proof that the wealthy do not care about knowingly killing
human beings as long as there is a profit.
How 'bout you?
Gee, I'm in the minority here... I smoke like a chimney (two packs a
day).
Yikes. Well, it's never too late, Olrik. I smoked 2-3 packs per day
for 23 years.
Congrats, man. I still (relatively) enjoy smoking, but after more than
30 years of doing it, I think this nasty, coslty, idiotic habit has got
to go before it kills me.
You can do it, Olrik. I smoked nearly 2 packs a day for 30 years. I
finally quit cold turkey, on a bet with My Fella. (He lost then, but
quit for good a couple years later.)
I suffered like hell for 2 days, and the cravings didn't totally fade
away for the next 18 months or so, but I'm finally there. It's worth
the effort, kiddo.
I'm on day 4 and doing fine (though I am using the Nicoderm patch). The
main thing that's getting to me now is that I cut out coffee because I was
afraid of the cravings it might bring. However, I think I'm going to have
to learn to live with that as I was droopy all day today and nodded off
around 7:00! The kid actually just woke me up.
Hang tough, Robyn! I know hours seem like days, or it did for me.
One hurdle at a time. You're quitting for life, so a bunch of weeks re
mapping your system is well spent.
And watch out for the rebound in several months. Ol' Nicotine will be
tricking your judgment into thinking you can smoke, but "sensibly".
You can't, and your memory will be weak at that time.
I don't know what to say about coffee, it's bound to vary from person
to person. The act of drinking id and getting the aroma is probably
the most tempting, I take a Vivarin or NoDoz (200mg caffeine) in the
AM with the rest of my pills.
Sunyata
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15 Aug 2006 08:17:03 PM |
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<Sunyata@wastherain.net> wrote in message
news:a0e4e2l5ufgq2kag5kp1sv2asi1rfe75bc@4ax.com...
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:40:26 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
snip
I'm on day 4 and doing fine (though I am using the Nicoderm patch). The
main thing that's getting to me now is that I cut out coffee because I was
afraid of the cravings it might bring. However, I think I'm going to have
to learn to live with that as I was droopy all day today and nodded off
around 7:00! The kid actually just woke me up.
Hang tough, Robyn! I know hours seem like days, or it did for me.
It's really not that bad at all. I get a couple of twinges where I really
want a butt (like after talking to my mom on the phone, arrrrgh), but it
only lasts a couple of seconds.
One hurdle at a time. You're quitting for life, so a bunch of weeks re
mapping your system is well spent.
And watch out for the rebound in several months. Ol' Nicotine will be
tricking your judgment into thinking you can smoke, but "sensibly".
You can't, and your memory will be weak at that time.
I don't know what to say about coffee, it's bound to vary from person
to person. The act of drinking id and getting the aroma is probably
the most tempting, I take a Vivarin or NoDoz (200mg caffeine) in the
AM with the rest of my pills.
Sunyata
I did have my usual three cups today - Didn't cause a craving, but I was
flying off the walls all day ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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16 Aug 2006 12:25:44 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:17:03 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
<Sunyata@wastherain.net> wrote in message
news:a0e4e2l5ufgq2kag5kp1sv2asi1rfe75bc@4ax.com...
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:40:26 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
snip
I'm on day 4 and doing fine (though I am using the Nicoderm patch). The
main thing that's getting to me now is that I cut out coffee because I was
afraid of the cravings it might bring. However, I think I'm going to have
to learn to live with that as I was droopy all day today and nodded off
around 7:00! The kid actually just woke me up.
Hang tough, Robyn! I know hours seem like days, or it did for me.
It's really not that bad at all. I get a couple of twinges where I really
want a butt (like after talking to my mom on the phone, arrrrgh), but it
only lasts a couple of seconds.
One hurdle at a time. You're quitting for life, so a bunch of weeks re
mapping your system is well spent.
And watch out for the rebound in several months. Ol' Nicotine will be
tricking your judgment into thinking you can smoke, but "sensibly".
You can't, and your memory will be weak at that time.
I don't know what to say about coffee, it's bound to vary from person
to person. The act of drinking id and getting the aroma is probably
the most tempting, I take a Vivarin or NoDoz (200mg caffeine) in the
AM with the rest of my pills.
Sunyata
I did have my usual three cups today - Didn't cause a craving, but I was
flying off the walls all day ;)
Sans broom.... ;)
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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17 Aug 2006 07:26:36 PM |
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:25:44 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:17:03 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
<Sunyata@wastherain.net> wrote in message
news:a0e4e2l5ufgq2kag5kp1sv2asi1rfe75bc@4ax.com...
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:40:26 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
snip
I'm on day 4 and doing fine (though I am using the Nicoderm patch). The
main thing that's getting to me now is that I cut out coffee because I was
afraid of the cravings it might bring. However, I think I'm going to have
to learn to live with that as I was droopy all day today and nodded off
around 7:00! The kid actually just woke me up.
Hang tough, Robyn! I know hours seem like days, or it did for me.
It's really not that bad at all. I get a couple of twinges where I really
want a butt (like after talking to my mom on the phone, arrrrgh), but it
only lasts a couple of seconds.
One hurdle at a time. You're quitting for life, so a bunch of weeks re
mapping your system is well spent.
And watch out for the rebound in several months. Ol' Nicotine will be
tricking your judgment into thinking you can smoke, but "sensibly".
You can't, and your memory will be weak at that time.
I don't know what to say about coffee, it's bound to vary from person
to person. The act of drinking id and getting the aroma is probably
the most tempting, I take a Vivarin or NoDoz (200mg caffeine) in the
AM with the rest of my pills.
Sunyata
I did have my usual three cups today - Didn't cause a craving, but I was
flying off the walls all day ;)
Sans broom.... ;)
<creeping and escalating laughter>
Sunyata
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17 Aug 2006 07:25:34 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:17:03 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
<Sunyata@wastherain.net> wrote in message
news:a0e4e2l5ufgq2kag5kp1sv2asi1rfe75bc@4ax.com...
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:40:26 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
snip
I'm on day 4 and doing fine (though I am using the Nicoderm patch). The
main thing that's getting to me now is that I cut out coffee because I was
afraid of the cravings it might bring. However, I think I'm going to have
to learn to live with that as I was droopy all day today and nodded off
around 7:00! The kid actually just woke me up.
Hang tough, Robyn! I know hours seem like days, or it did for me.
It's really not that bad at all. I get a couple of twinges where I really
want a butt (like after talking to my mom on the phone, arrrrgh), but it
only lasts a couple of seconds.
One hurdle at a time. You're quitting for life, so a bunch of weeks re
mapping your system is well spent.
And watch out for the rebound in several months. Ol' Nicotine will be
tricking your judgment into thinking you can smoke, but "sensibly".
You can't, and your memory will be weak at that time.
I don't know what to say about coffee, it's bound to vary from person
to person. The act of drinking id and getting the aroma is probably
the most tempting, I take a Vivarin or NoDoz (200mg caffeine) in the
AM with the rest of my pills.
Sunyata
I did have my usual three cups today - Didn't cause a craving, but I was
flying off the walls all day ;)
good that you didn't get a craving, and now you know you can reduce
the coffee a bit. Quitting nicotine takes lots of adjustments. Maybe
the patch helps, and at least you're no longer scraping your lungs.
When you wean from the patch, *do watch out, in my case one exception
always got me back to full time smoke.
It already sounds like you are stronger than me in this regard. OK!
Stay up to the challenge.
:)
Sunyata
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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18 Aug 2006 01:32:04 PM |
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<Sunyata@wastherain.net> wrote in message
news:gs1ae2dfiolvqugpqqjrul06oa7dfkfi0r@4ax.com...
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:17:03 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
snip
I did have my usual three cups today - Didn't cause a craving, but I was
flying off the walls all day ;)
good that you didn't get a craving, and now you know you can reduce
the coffee a bit. Quitting nicotine takes lots of adjustments. Maybe
the patch helps, and at least you're no longer scraping your lungs.
When you wean from the patch, *do watch out, in my case one exception
always got me back to full time smoke.
I'm down to 5 mg now - will do that at least through the weekend and then
nothing. The only day that's has the potential to be difficult will be
Saturday as that's when I'll be around all my SILs who smoke and drink to
excess. But, I can handle it :)
It already sounds like you are stronger than me in this regard. OK!
Stay up to the challenge.
Thanks :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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18 Aug 2006 05:53:28 PM |
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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:32:04 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
<Sunyata@wastherain.net> wrote in message
news:gs1ae2dfiolvqugpqqjrul06oa7dfkfi0r@4ax.com...
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:17:03 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
snip
I did have my usual three cups today - Didn't cause a craving, but I was
flying off the walls all day ;)
good that you didn't get a craving, and now you know you can reduce
the coffee a bit. Quitting nicotine takes lots of adjustments. Maybe
the patch helps, and at least you're no longer scraping your lungs.
When you wean from the patch, *do watch out, in my case one exception
always got me back to full time smoke.
I'm down to 5 mg now - will do that at least through the weekend and then
nothing. The only day that's has the potential to be difficult will be
Saturday as that's when I'll be around all my SILs who smoke and drink to
excess. But, I can handle it :)
It already sounds like you are stronger than me in this regard. OK!
Stay up to the challenge.
Thanks :)
:)
Sunyata
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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16 Aug 2006 11:22:29 AM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote in message
news:1155599728.575596.46260@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Olrik wrote:
Gospel Bretts wrote:
On 24 Jul 2006 20:40:43 -0700, "Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote:
Sunyata@wastherain.net wrote:
I started at about age 21 and tried to stop several times, each time
I
graduated from cigarettes to a pipe, then after a good long quit the
cigar craze got me. I'm finally done pretending that there is any
safe
use for tobacco at all. My last smoke was in May 2002.
It just totally appalls me that marijuana is illegal while tobacco
is
a known killer and the tobacco sellers target kids to replace the
400,000 dead ex-smokers per year, while people buy stock, the
tobacco
companies are too wealthy to be regulated and they lobby heavily. To
me that's proof that the wealthy do not care about knowingly killing
human beings as long as there is a profit.
How 'bout you?
Gee, I'm in the minority here... I smoke like a chimney (two packs a
day).
Yikes. Well, it's never too late, Olrik. I smoked 2-3 packs per day
for 23 years.
Congrats, man. I still (relatively) enjoy smoking, but after more than
30 years of doing it, I think this nasty, coslty, idiotic habit has got
to go before it kills me.
You can do it, Olrik. I smoked nearly 2 packs a day for 30 years. I
finally quit cold turkey, on a bet with My Fella. (He lost then, but
quit for good a couple years later.)
I suffered like hell for 2 days, and the cravings didn't totally fade
away for the next 18 months or so, but I'm finally there. It's worth
the effort, kiddo.
I'm on day 4 and doing fine (though I am using the Nicoderm patch). The
main thing that's getting to me now is that I cut out coffee because I was
afraid of the cravings it might bring. However, I think I'm going to have
to learn to live with that as I was droopy all day today and nodded off
around 7:00! The kid actually just woke me up.
Yikes! Don't give up coffee! For one thing, as you've already found
out, you'll never totally wake up. But more importantly, the caffeine
in coffee is an addiction just as the nicotine in cigs is. You really
shouldn't try to get over 2 addictions at the same time. If you give
up your caffeine habit, you'll add bad headaches to your list of
non-smoking symptoms/woes.
Yeah, it's hard not to light up with a cuppa joe, but it's a habit you
can break. The coffee will start tasting better in a week or so, as
well.
Good luck, kiddo!
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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16 Aug 2006 03:15:09 PM |
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"skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote in message
news:1155745349.307856.48570@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
snip
I'm on day 4 and doing fine (though I am using the Nicoderm patch). The
main thing that's getting to me now is that I cut out coffee because I
was
afraid of the cravings it might bring. However, I think I'm going to
have
to learn to live with that as I was droopy all day today and nodded off
around 7:00! The kid actually just woke me up.
Yikes! Don't give up coffee!
LOL - Don't worry, I went back to it yesterday :)
For one thing, as you've already found
out, you'll never totally wake up. But more importantly, the caffeine
in coffee is an addiction just as the nicotine in cigs is. You really
shouldn't try to get over 2 addictions at the same time. If you give
up your caffeine habit, you'll add bad headaches to your list of
non-smoking symptoms/woes.
Thankfully that didn't happen - However, it was really annoying trying not
to nod off at my desk all day :)
Yeah, it's hard not to light up with a cuppa joe, but it's a habit you
can break. The coffee will start tasting better in a week or so, as
well.
Good luck, kiddo!
Thanks! :)
Next step is to wean myself off the Nicoderm patch.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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25 Jul 2006 12:53:34 AM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Olrik (olrik666@gmail.com)
made the light shine upon us with this:
Yikes. Well, it's never too late, Olrik. I smoked 2-3 packs per day
for 23 years.
Congrats, man. I still (relatively) enjoy smoking, but after more than
30 years of doing it, I think this nasty, coslty, idiotic habit has got
to go before it kills me.
There are more reasons than that to quit.
Every time they raise the price on a carton of cigarettes I secretly
rejoice in the fact that I no longer support the killer tobacco industry.
And that I'm no longer their slave. When you start, you smoke because it
feels good. After a while, you smoke because it makes you feel better.
When you're addicted, you smoke to avoid feeling like *****. You
absolutely HAVE to have one in the morning when you wake up, and you'll
go to ANY length to get a smoke, including driving to the nearest 7-11 in
your robe and slippers, or scavenging ash trays from last night's party
for butts, even if they have lipstick on them. When asked on a job
application whether or not you can go three hours without a cigarette you
have to answer "no". And on some jobs you have to sneak a smoke when
it's either shunned, or physically dangerous.
I quit so many times that my kids saw my addiction as a moral weakness.
Maybe that's a good thing. I'm glad it's over, but even now I wish I'd
never started, and I've come to accept the fact that I'll probably die
before I hit 75 due to the irreversable damage I've done to my lungs,
heart, arteries and trachea.
Oh well.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Now running a special on bagpipe destruction kits. Get 'em while they're
hot!
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25 Jul 2006 12:10:41 PM |
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On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:53:34 -0500, Uncle Vic wrote:
I quit so many times that my kids saw my addiction as a moral weakness.
Maybe that's a good thing. I'm glad it's over, but even now I wish I'd
never started, and I've come to accept the fact that I'll probably die
before I hit 75 due to the irreversable damage I've done to my lungs,
heart, arteries and trachea.
My Dad smoked for forty-plus years and swore to his dying day that his
health problems weren't caused by smoking. He had two kinds of cancer and
was eventually killed by complications related to emphysema. At 69.
I only smoked for a short while and quit at 24 (now 22 years ago). I
still have lung problems, though, because I grew up breathing his smoke.
(On the other hand my mom lived with his smoke longer than I did and she's
still going at 76. Strong constitution, I guess.)
I managed to quit, by the way, because at the time I was going to school
in East Texas (it was when Mark and I were roommates, as it happens) and
was basically allergic to the place. Every spring I would get these truly
horrible sinus infections; this particular spring I got the worst one I
had ever had. I had to lay off the cigarettes because I simply couldn't
breathe when I smoked one. That forced me to go for a week without
smoking and then I just never picked it up again.
These days even a cigarette nearby gives me fits. Ghod knows what it
would be like if I smoked.
--
Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/
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| User: "wcb" |
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25 Jul 2006 02:36:31 PM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
Re: OT: How many smoke tobacco? Tried to quit? Did quit?
From:
Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
Date:
Tuesday 25 July 2006 12:53:34 am
Groups:
alt.atheism
References: 1 2 3 4
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Olrik (olrik666@gmail.com)
made the light shine upon us with this:
Yikes. Well, it's never too late, Olrik. I smoked 2-3 packs per day
for 23 years.
Congrats, man. I still (relatively) enjoy smoking, but after more than
30 years of doing it, I think this nasty, coslty, idiotic habit has got
to go before it kills me.
There are more reasons than that to quit.
I quit years ago. I got to the point I was
chain smoking up to 4 packs a day. I realized
how bad it was when I bought a pack at 6 O'clock and
had smoked them all by 10 O'clock.
I quit cold turkey.
What I did that helped a LOT, I got a small
glass jar of pears, ate the pears, and carefully arranged
a pack of 500 toothpicks in the jar. I poured a small
vial of cinammon oil from the grocery store's spice
aisle over them and sealed them and left it overnight.
These were quite strong and satisfying painful to chew on.
When I HAD to smoke I substituted these. It got me
through month one.
It gave be something to do with my hands, something I could
feel happening to take place of sensations of smoking,
etc.
I gave up a 4 pack habit this way.
Warning, if you try this, cinammon oil is nasty stuff.
It can destroy a CD, etc. It dissolves plastic.
Wash hands before handling plastic like CDs or keyboards.
Its not fun to get in your eyes either.
--
Real Christians handle snakes.
Cheerful Charlie
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