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"Uncle Buck" |
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08 Jan 2006 11:39:43 AM |
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OT: How many states of matter are known or theorized? |
I just read in the rather fascinating article about the atom-counting experiment
on a "new state of matter" called a "Bose-Einstein condensate". If I understood
that correctly, that would mean we've now identified five potential states of
matter - solid, liquid, glass, plasma and Bose-Einstein condensate. Is this a
correct understanding, and are there even further states we've stumbled upon
that I'm as of yet unaware of? :-?
Just curious.... Thanks. :-)
--
L8r,
Uncle Buck
aa#88
BAAWA Knight
"The gap betwixt civility and barbarism is the width of a tooth."
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| User: "Ken" |
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09 Jan 2006 01:00:50 AM |
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On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 12:39:43 -0500, Uncle Buck wrote:
I just read in the rather fascinating article about the atom-counting experiment
on a "new state of matter" called a "Bose-Einstein condensate". If I understood
that correctly, that would mean we've now identified five potential states of
matter - solid, liquid, glass, plasma and Bose-Einstein condensate. Is this a
correct understanding, and are there even further states we've stumbled upon
that I'm as of yet unaware of? :-?
There are others that only occur in very strange circumstances. I've
never seen a complete list..
If you look up Phase (matter) in Wikipedia some examples are provided.
quark-gluon plasma
fermionic condensates
strange matter
liquid crystals
superfluids
supersolids
paramagnetic (of magnetic material)
ferromagnetic (of magnetic material)
I'm sure there are others.
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Ken
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| User: "Witziges Rätsel" |
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08 Jan 2006 12:45:15 PM |
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I just read in the rather fascinating article about the atom-counting
experiment
on a "new state of matter" called a "Bose-Einstein condensate". If I
understood
that correctly, that would mean we've now identified five potential states
of matter - solid, liquid, glass, plasma and Bose-Einstein condensate. Is
this a correct understanding, and are there even further states we've
stumbled upon
that I'm as of yet unaware of? :-?
Just curious.... Thanks. :-)
What's it look like? There's stuff that forms in my
neighbors' pool that I can't identify.
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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08 Jan 2006 02:32:39 PM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, Uncle Buck poured fuel on the fire
with the following:
I just read in the rather fascinating article about the atom-counting experiment
on a "new state of matter" called a "Bose-Einstein condensate". If I understood
that correctly, that would mean we've now identified five potential states of
matter - solid, liquid, glass, plasma and Bose-Einstein condensate. Is this a
correct understanding, ...
Several sites that I checked agree on these five states.
... and are there even further states we've stumbled upon
that I'm as of yet unaware of? :-?
Quite possibly. Much depends on the definition of state, or phase. One
site that I checked claimed that different states of matter retain the
characteristic molecular structure, although this definition clearly
does not apply in the case of a plasma.
Anywho ...... two more candidates are the supercritical fluid and the
degenerate gas. Both retain the molecular makeup, but the bulk
properties of the material are altered significantly.
If we dispense with the need to recognize the molecular makeup then we
can find some more. One general class is known as degenerate matter. An
example is the neutron degenerate matter posited to exist in the neutron
star.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_matter
At sufficiently high temperatures a conventional plasma will break down
to become a quark-gluon plasma, often referred to as a quark soup.
http://www.psc.edu/science/STAR/a_taste_of_quark_soup.html
Regards,
Josef
Things are not what they seem; or, to be more accurate, they are not
only what they seem, but very much else besides.
-- Aldous Huxley
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| User: "stoney" |
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09 Jan 2006 06:10:05 PM |
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On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:32:39 -0500, Josef Balluch
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote in alt.atheism
In a message sent 'round the world, Uncle Buck poured fuel on the fire
with the following:
I just read in the rather fascinating article about the atom-counting experiment
on a "new state of matter" called a "Bose-Einstein condensate". If I understood
that correctly, that would mean we've now identified five potential states of
matter - solid, liquid, glass, plasma and Bose-Einstein condensate. Is this a
correct understanding, ...
Several sites that I checked agree on these five states.
... and are there even further states we've stumbled upon
that I'm as of yet unaware of? :-?
Quite possibly. Much depends on the definition of state, or phase. One
site that I checked claimed that different states of matter retain the
characteristic molecular structure, although this definition clearly
does not apply in the case of a plasma.
Anywho ...... two more candidates are the supercritical fluid and the
degenerate gas. Both retain the molecular makeup, but the bulk
properties of the material are altered significantly.
If we dispense with the need to recognize the molecular makeup then we
can find some more. One general class is known as degenerate matter. An
example is the neutron degenerate matter posited to exist in the neutron
star.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_matter
At sufficiently high temperatures a conventional plasma will break down
to become a quark-gluon plasma, often referred to as a quark soup.
Watts the charge per bowl?
http://www.psc.edu/science/STAR/a_taste_of_quark_soup.html
Regards,
Josef
Things are not what they seem; or, to be more accurate, they are not
only what they seem, but very much else besides.
-- Aldous Huxley
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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10 Jan 2006 01:14:10 PM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, stoney poured fuel on the fire with
the following:
....
At sufficiently high temperatures a conventional plasma will break down
to become a quark-gluon plasma, often referred to as a quark soup.
Watts the charge per bowl?
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/SphericalBowl.html
;^)
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| User: "stoney" |
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11 Jan 2006 12:30:26 PM |
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On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:14:10 -0500, Josef Balluch
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote in alt.atheism
In a message sent 'round the world, stoney poured fuel on the fire with
the following:
...
At sufficiently high temperatures a conventional plasma will break down
to become a quark-gluon plasma, often referred to as a quark soup.
Watts the charge per bowl?
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/SphericalBowl.html
;^)
[Laughter] You're as much a smart ***** as I am! Well done!
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Uncle Buck" |
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08 Jan 2006 03:08:32 PM |
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On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:32:39 -0500, Josef Balluch <josef.balluch@sympatico.can>
wrote:
In a message sent 'round the world, Uncle Buck poured fuel on the fire
with the following:
I just read in the rather fascinating article about the atom-counting experiment
on a "new state of matter" called a "Bose-Einstein condensate". If I understood
that correctly, that would mean we've now identified five potential states of
matter - solid, liquid, gas, plasma and Bose-Einstein condensate. Is this a
correct understanding, ...
[UB: correction made to the above - changed "glass" to "gas"]
Several sites that I checked agree on these five states.
... and are there even further states we've stumbled upon
that I'm as of yet unaware of? :-?
Quite possibly. Much depends on the definition of state, or phase. One
site that I checked claimed that different states of matter retain the
characteristic molecular structure, although this definition clearly
does not apply in the case of a plasma.
Anywho ...... two more candidates are the supercritical fluid and the
degenerate gas. Both retain the molecular makeup, but the bulk
properties of the material are altered significantly.
If we dispense with the need to recognize the molecular makeup then we
can find some more. One general class is known as degenerate matter. An
example is the neutron degenerate matter posited to exist in the neutron
star.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_matter
At sufficiently high temperatures a conventional plasma will break down
to become a quark-gluon plasma, often referred to as a quark soup.
http://www.psc.edu/science/STAR/a_taste_of_quark_soup.html
Thank you for these links! I'm reading the psc one now, quite fascinating
stuff! :-) I find myself interested in experimentation that may have found any
kind of interaction between quark soup and some of the more intense lasers.
I'll definitely be keeping an eye out for _that_ one. Thanks again for the
links and info! :-)
--
L8r,
Uncle Buck
aa#88
BAAWA Knight
"The gap betwixt civility and barbarism is the width of a tooth."
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| User: "Uncle Buck" |
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08 Jan 2006 03:16:28 PM |
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On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 16:08:32 -0500, Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:32:39 -0500, Josef Balluch <josef.balluch@sympatico.can>
wrote:
In a message sent 'round the world, Uncle Buck poured fuel on the fire
with the following:
I just read in the rather fascinating article about the atom-counting experiment
on a "new state of matter" called a "Bose-Einstein condensate". If I understood
that correctly, that would mean we've now identified five potential states of
matter - solid, liquid, gas, plasma and Bose-Einstein condensate. Is this a
correct understanding, ...
[UB: correction made to the above - changed "glass" to "gas"]
Several sites that I checked agree on these five states.
... and are there even further states we've stumbled upon
that I'm as of yet unaware of? :-?
Quite possibly. Much depends on the definition of state, or phase. One
site that I checked claimed that different states of matter retain the
characteristic molecular structure, although this definition clearly
does not apply in the case of a plasma.
Anywho ...... two more candidates are the supercritical fluid and the
degenerate gas. Both retain the molecular makeup, but the bulk
properties of the material are altered significantly.
If we dispense with the need to recognize the molecular makeup then we
can find some more. One general class is known as degenerate matter. An
example is the neutron degenerate matter posited to exist in the neutron
star.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_matter
At sufficiently high temperatures a conventional plasma will break down
to become a quark-gluon plasma, often referred to as a quark soup.
http://www.psc.edu/science/STAR/a_taste_of_quark_soup.html
Thank you for these links! I'm reading the psc one now, quite fascinating
stuff! :-) I find myself interested in experimentation that may have found any
kind of interaction between quark soup and some of the more intense lasers.
I'll definitely be keeping an eye out for _that_ one. Thanks again for the
links and info! :-)
Well dayum, still working on the "quark soup" bit, I see. Not yet observed?
But it's getting close. Man, this _is_ an exciting time to be alive for those
with an interest in human understandings of physics. :-) Anywho, no laser
experiments yet. Maybe never will be - quark soup seems like it will be
prohibitively short-lived to do much experimentation on. But even _that_ is a
useful bit of data! :-)
Sorry, I'm getting "bubbly"... I'll go somewhere else and shut up now as I
froth about with the quantum foam... Merci pour votre patience ! :-)
--
L8r,
Uncle Buck
aa#88
BAAWA Knight
"The gap betwixt civility and barbarism is the width of a tooth."
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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08 Jan 2006 05:33:30 PM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, Uncle Buck poured fuel on the fire
with the following:
....
Thank you for these links! I'm reading the psc one now, quite fascinating
stuff! :-) I find myself interested in experimentation that may have found any
kind of interaction between quark soup and some of the more intense lasers.
I'll definitely be keeping an eye out for _that_ one. Thanks again for the
links and info! :-)
Well dayum, still working on the "quark soup" bit, I see. Not yet observed?
But it's getting close.
Actually, the quark soup may have been produced at CERN in Switzerland.
http://www.nature.com/news/2000/000217/pf/000217-5_pf.html
The Brookhaven machine that you read about will try to confirm the work
done at CERN. The physicists think that the machine has produced the
necessary conditions.
http://www.bnl.gov/bnlweb/pubaf/pr/2003/RHIC-background-2.htm
The most recent update that I found (March 2005) has them sounding
fairly confident.
http://www.bnl.gov/bnlweb/pubaf/pr/PR_display.asp?prID=05-X3
Man, this _is_ an exciting time to be alive for those
with an interest in human understandings of physics. :-) Anywho, no laser
experiments yet. Maybe never will be - quark soup seems like it will be
prohibitively short-lived to do much experimentation on. But even _that_ is a
useful bit of data! :-)
The temperature of the quark soup is around 10^13 deg. Kelvin, which
corresponds to very VERY high energy gamma radiation. Since we do have
have such gamma ray lasers at this time, I doubt that much
experimentation could be done with lasers and the quark soup. It is
rather unlikely that quarks would experience much interaction with low
energy photons.
Regards,
Josef
Science is the record of dead religions.
-- Oscar Wilde
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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08 Jan 2006 12:41:30 PM |
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Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in
news:5ej2s1pamnb7ldek1j152taha3goo78qtt@4ax.com:
I just read in the rather fascinating article about the atom-counting
experiment on a "new state of matter" called a "Bose-Einstein
condensate". If I understood that correctly, that would mean we've
now identified five potential states of matter - solid, liquid, glass,
plasma and Bose-Einstein condensate. Is this a correct understanding,
and are there even further states we've stumbled upon that I'm as of
yet unaware of? :-?
Solid, liquid, GLASS? You must mean gas.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
Let the human mind loose. It must be loose. It will be loose. Superstition
and dogmatism cannot confine it.
-John Adams, letter to his son, John Quincy Adams, November 13,
1816
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| User: "Uncle Buck" |
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08 Jan 2006 01:06:52 PM |
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On 8 Jan 2006 18:41:30 GMT, Enkidu <jdwnx4702@sneakemail.com> wrote:
Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in
news:5ej2s1pamnb7ldek1j152taha3goo78qtt@4ax.com:
I just read in the rather fascinating article about the atom-counting
experiment on a "new state of matter" called a "Bose-Einstein
condensate". If I understood that correctly, that would mean we've
now identified five potential states of matter - solid, liquid, glass,
plasma and Bose-Einstein condensate. Is this a correct understanding,
and are there even further states we've stumbled upon that I'm as of
yet unaware of? :-?
Solid, liquid, GLASS? You must mean gas.
DOH! Yes, I did. <blush> I've been doing too much 3D modelling lately with
way too much glass in my work. Knew I a way in Pov-Ray to model atmospheres
(from a ground perspective), I might have thought of the right word. Soiree
bout tat. :-#
--
L8r,
Uncle Buck
aa#88
BAAWA Knight
"The gap betwixt civility and barbarism is the width of a tooth."
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| User: "William Wingstedt" |
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10 Jan 2006 05:59:33 PM |
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On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:06:52 -0500, Uncle Buck
<UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
On 8 Jan 2006 18:41:30 GMT, Enkidu <jdwnx4702@sneakemail.com> wrote:
Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in
news:5ej2s1pamnb7ldek1j152taha3goo78qtt@4ax.com:
I just read in the rather fascinating article about the atom-counting
experiment on a "new state of matter" called a "Bose-Einstein
condensate". If I understood that correctly, that would mean we've
now identified five potential states of matter - solid, liquid, glass,
plasma and Bose-Einstein condensate. Is this a correct understanding,
and are there even further states we've stumbled upon that I'm as of
yet unaware of? :-?
Solid, liquid, GLASS? You must mean gas.
DOH! Yes, I did. <blush> I've been doing too much 3D modelling lately with
way too much glass in my work. Knew I a way in Pov-Ray to model atmospheres
(from a ground perspective), I might have thought of the right word. Soiree
bout tat. :-#
--
L8r,
Uncle Buck
Curiously enough, it seems that glass does have some interesting
properties...
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/Glass/glass.html
W\/W
"The gap betwixt civility and barbarism is the width of a tooth."
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| User: "stoney" |
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11 Jan 2006 12:29:01 PM |
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On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:59:33 GMT, (William
Wingstedt) wrote in alt.atheism
On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:06:52 -0500, Uncle Buck
<UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
On 8 Jan 2006 18:41:30 GMT, Enkidu <jdwnx4702@sneakemail.com> wrote:
Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in
news:5ej2s1pamnb7ldek1j152taha3goo78qtt@4ax.com:
I just read in the rather fascinating article about the atom-counting
experiment on a "new state of matter" called a "Bose-Einstein
condensate". If I understood that correctly, that would mean we've
now identified five potential states of matter - solid, liquid, glass,
plasma and Bose-Einstein condensate. Is this a correct understanding,
and are there even further states we've stumbled upon that I'm as of
yet unaware of? :-?
Solid, liquid, GLASS? You must mean gas.
DOH! Yes, I did. <blush> I've been doing too much 3D modelling lately with
way too much glass in my work. Knew I a way in Pov-Ray to model atmospheres
(from a ground perspective), I might have thought of the right word. Soiree
bout tat. :-#
Curiously enough, it seems that glass does have some interesting
properties...
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/Glass/glass.html
Wild. I read most of it.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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08 Jan 2006 05:06:43 PM |
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Uncle Buck wrote:
I just read in the rather fascinating article about the atom-counting
experiment
on a "new state of matter" called a "Bose-Einstein condensate". If I
understood that correctly, that would mean we've now identified five
potential states of
matter - solid, liquid, glass, plasma and Bose-Einstein condensate. Is
^^^^^
You mean gas?
this a correct understanding, and are there even further states we've
stumbled upon
that I'm as of yet unaware of? :-?
Depends on what you mean by state of matter.
Entangled particles is another. Gold atoms are accelerated
to very high speed and allowed to hit head on.
For a brief bit of time they become a dense cloud of
quarks that are not yet arranged in particles, another
state of matter that existed in the early period of
the Big Bang before the Universe had expanded enough
that particles more complex than quarks existed.
That's another.
Electrons, protons and neutrons seperate from atoms
are others, plus of course many other known particles.
Apart from an atom, a neutron has a half-life of 11
minutes.
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"A dead religion is like a dead cat -- the stiffer and
more rotten it is, the better it is as a missile weapon."
- H.G. Wells
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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08 Jan 2006 12:30:08 PM |
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Uncle Buck wrote:
I just read in the rather fascinating article about the atom-counting experiment
on a "new state of matter" called a "Bose-Einstein condensate". If I understood
that correctly, that would mean we've now identified five potential states of
matter - solid, liquid, glass, plasma and Bose-Einstein condensate. Is this a
correct understanding, and are there even further states we've stumbled upon
that I'm as of yet unaware of? :-?
Just curious.... Thanks. :-)
--
L8r,
Uncle Buck
aa#88
BAAWA Knight
"The gap betwixt civility and barbarism is the width of a tooth."
Wikipedia has it at 13
solids
liquids
gases
plasmas
quark-gluon plasmas
Bose-Einstein condensates
fermionic condensates
strange matter
liquid crystals
superfluids
supersolids
paramagnetic phases of magnetic materials.
ferromagnetic phases of magnetic materials.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_of_matter
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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08 Jan 2006 12:31:26 PM |
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Uncle Buck wrote:
I just read in the rather fascinating article about the atom-counting experiment
on a "new state of matter" called a "Bose-Einstein condensate". If I understood
that correctly, that would mean we've now identified five potential states of
matter - solid, liquid, glass, plasma and Bose-Einstein condensate. Is this a
correct understanding, and are there even further states we've stumbled upon
that I'm as of yet unaware of? :-?
Just curious.... Thanks. :-)
--
L8r,
Uncle Buck
aa#88
BAAWA Knight
"The gap betwixt civility and barbarism is the width of a tooth."
Wikipedia has it at 13
solids
liquids
gases
plasmas
quark-gluon plasmas
Bose-Einstein condensates
fermionic condensates
strange matter
liquid crystals
superfluids
supersolids
paramagnetic phases of magnetic materials.
ferromagnetic phases of magnetic materials.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_of_matter
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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08 Jan 2006 12:58:05 PM |
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Uncle Buck wrote:
I just read in the rather fascinating article about the atom-counting experiment
on a "new state of matter" called a "Bose-Einstein condensate". If I understood
that correctly, that would mean we've now identified five potential states of
matter - solid, liquid, glass, plasma and Bose-Einstein condensate. Is this a
correct understanding, and are there even further states we've stumbled upon
that I'm as of yet unaware of? :-?
Just curious.... Thanks. :-)
--
L8r,
Uncle Buck
aa#88
BAAWA Knight
"The gap betwixt civility and barbarism is the width of a tooth."
Wikipedia puts it at 13
solids
liquids
gases
plasmas
quark-gluon plasmas
Bose-Einstein condensates
fermionic condensates
strange matter
liquid crystals
superfluids
supersolids
paramagnetic phases of magnetic materials
ferromagnetic phases of magnetic materials
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_of_matter
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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09 Jan 2006 08:47:30 AM |
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Dammit.
I hate it when my posts take so long to show up.
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