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How Obama Vs. Clinton Shapes Up
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/21/AR200701210=
1108.html
By E. J. Dionne Jr.
Monday, January 22, 2007; Page A19
Three differences and three similarities will define the contest
between Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama.
The most important difference lies in where their respective political
journeys began. After her early work as an advocate for children,
Clinton came to political maturity in the South as part of her
husband's efforts to rescue the Democratic Party from its low point in
the 1980s. She was shaped by her party's need to win back moderate and
conservative voters who had strayed to Ronald Reagan's banner.
Rice's Rhetoric, in Full Retreat
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/21/AR200701210=
0526.html
By Jackson Diehl
Monday, January 22, 2007; Page A19
Eleven months ago Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice held a joint news
conference with Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit to report
on their talks in Cairo. After Aboul Gheit summed up the topics, Rice
pointed out that he had forgotten one: "Iran. You missed Iran." She
then spent most of her time on Egypt's progress -- or lack of it -- "as
it faces questions of democracy and reform."
Last week Aboul Gheit and Rice again appeared side by side, this time
in the Egyptian tourist capital, Luxor. Once again each offered a
summary of the talks -- which this year, unlike last, included
President Hosni Mubarak. This time Iran loomed large in their
discussions, as did Iraq. But it was Rice who neglected to mention
something: "democracy and reform." During the course of her visit to
Egypt, and her latest tour through the Middle East, the words never
publicly crossed her lips.
Climate Policy's Odd Man Out
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/21/AR200701210=
1106.html
Debate Is Fast Passing Bush By
By Sebastian Mallaby
Monday, January 22, 2007; Page A19
Last week the administration embarrassed itself on climate change, and
today will be excruciating. A confluence of forces -- the Democratic
takeover of Congress, freak winter weather, Al Gore's documentary on
global warming -- has conspired to create an exciting moment in the
climate debate. But the Bush team seems determined to be a wallflower,
and to step on its own toes as it watches.
The embarrassment began when James Connaughton, the head of the White
House's Council on Environmental Quality, told me that he accepts the
case for a cap-and-trade system, at least as a concept. After I quoted
him last week, Tony Snow, the White House spokesman, issued a denial:
"Let me just walk you back from the carbon caps story," he said firmly.
That sounded clear enough, but on Thursday the New York Times quoted
Connaughton reiterating his openness to the cap-and-trade concept.
War's Arab Supporters Bitter Over Its Results
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/21/AR200701210=
1282_pf.html
By Anthony Shadid
Washington Post Foreign Service
Monday, January 22, 2007; A01
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates -- With a certain satisfaction, Lebanese
journalist Michael Young watched a local station broadcast images seen
across the world on April 9, 2003: the toppling of Saddam Hussein's
statue in Firdaus Square, its reverberations rumbling across a stunned
Middle East. Out of curiosity, he switched to a satellite station from
Syria. It was showing a documentary on a venerable Damascene mosque. He
flipped to another channel, where a former Egyptian general was
dismissing the idea that day that the Iraqi capital had even fallen.
"If they were scared of what was happening in Baghdad, there was more
power in this moment than might have been expected. The regimes were
truly scared of this moment, truly scared," recalled Young, the opinion
editor of the Daily Star in Beirut.
How Deep a Distaste for Politicians Who Waffle?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/21/AR200701210=
0759.html
By Shankar Vedantam
Monday, January 22, 2007; Page A02
When George W. Bush takes the podium tomorrow night to deliver his
sixth State of the Union address, what are the chances he will say
this? "The war in Iraq has been one gigantic mistake. I am sorry I got
us into this mess. I am going to bring the troops home right away."
Even those who think anything is possible in politics would have to say
the odds of such a speech are close to zero. Bush's position on Iraq
has been unyielding, even as the original reasons for the war have been
discredited and U.S. troops have become mired in a vicious sectarian
struggle. Bush has held fast to his views even as public support for
the war, and for him personally, has fallen to near-record lows.
Universal Health Coverage Attracts New Support
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/21/AR200701210=
0878_pf.html
Onetime Foes Become Unlikely Advocates, Citing Rising Costs and Tougher
Access
By Christopher Lee
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, January 22, 2007; A03
Harry and Louise have had a change of heart.
Thirteen years after television ads from the insurance industry
featuring the fictional middle-class couple helped kill the Clinton
health-care plan and make universal coverage politically radioactive,
comprehensive proposals for expanding coverage to millions of uninsured
Americans are flowering again inside the Beltway and around the
country.
And this time, advocates hope, the political climate is right for the
best ideas to grow, in large part because many business groups that
opposed earlier efforts now agree that rising health-care costs and
increasingly tougher access to insurance are unsustainable trends.
Emerging Grievances Within Party Likely to Test Pelosi
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/21/AR200701210=
1016_pf.html
By Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, January 22, 2007; A05
Beneath the resounding Democratic victories of the past two weeks,
tensions have been growing between House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and many
new committee chairmen and other members over her aggressive management
style and her approach to the war, according to lawmakers and advisers.
Powerful committee chairmen have bridled at the California Democrat's
decision to impose six-year term limits on them. Liberal Democrats say
she is being too cautious in confronting President Bush on the war in
Iraq. Rank-and-file Democrats say she erred in denying Republicans more
say in the early legislation, making the speaker appear autocratic.
Bolivia's Political Fissures Force Morales to Shift Course
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/21/AR200701210=
1162_pf.html
By Monte Reel
Washington Post Foreign Service
Monday, January 22, 2007; A13
LA PAZ, Bolivia, Jan. 21 -- The elected assembly charged with redrawing
Bolivia's political blueprint has not debated a single proposal after
six months of sessions. When the 255 members meet, they fight over how
many votes it will take to pass constitutional changes, if the changes
are ever proposed.
But the people of this politically divided country are growing
increasingly impatient, and they have started to do what the assembly
has not. They are once again debating Bolivia's future, in an even more
volatile setting than the contentious assembly hall: the streets.
Military Surplus Parts Illegally Find Their Way to Iran, U.S. Officials
Say
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/21/AR200701210=
0760.html
By Sharon Theimer
Associated Press
Monday, January 22, 2007; Page A17
Fighter-jet parts and other sensitive U.S. military gear seized from
front companies for Iran and brokers for China have been traced in
criminal cases to a surprising source: the Pentagon.
In one case, federal investigators said, contraband purchased in
Defense Department surplus auctions was delivered to Iran, a country
President Bush has branded part of an "axis of evil."
Congress's Challenge on Iraq
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/22/opinion/22mon1.html
President Bush's refusal to come up with a serious policy on Iraq
means that the Democrats will have to goad him toward one.
Poland Makes Witch Hunting Easier
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/22/opinion/22osiatynski.html
By WIKTOR OSIATYNSKI
Today in Poland, what may look like an effort to reconcile with the
Communist past is an assault on reconciliation and a generational bid
for power.
New Somali Government Faces Old Problem: Clans
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/22/world/africa/22somalia.html?ref=3Dworld&p=
agewanted=3Dall
By JEFFREY GETTLEMAN
Clans have been the bedrock of Somali identity since the first bands of
nomads fought over water holes.
U=2ES. Tries to Interpret China's Silence Over Test
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/22/world/asia/22missile.html?ref=3Dworld&pag=
ewanted=3Dall
By DAVID E. SANGER and JOSEPH KAHN
The Bush administration said it has been unable to get even a basic
diplomatic response from China after the detection of a successful test
to destroy a satellite.
Vision of Rebuilding Lebanon Wanes
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/22/world/middleeast/22lebanon.html?ref=3Dwor=
ld&pagewanted=3Dall
By HASSAN M. FATTAH
With Lebanon's government enmeshed in crisis, rebuilding has not
lived up to promises made after the war with Israel.
Iran's Leader Stands by Nuclear Plans; Military to Hold Exercises
By NAZILA FATHI
Iran's president repeated his vow to ignore international sanctions,
while the military planned to test fire missiles in a three-day
exercise.
Rush of Entries Gives '08 Race Early Intensity
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/22/us/politics/22campaign.html?ref=3Dus&page=
wanted=3Dall
By JOHN M. BRODER and PATRICK HEALY
The contest for the White House is off to a breathtakingly fast start,
exposing an ever-growing field to longer, more intensive scrutiny.
The great unknown
Yvonne Roberts
January 22, 2007 03:15 PM
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/yvonne_roberts/2007/01/post_967.html
Are there any reasons for optimism in the wake of the mess of racism,
ignorance, television manipulation, poor leadership and general gut
churning nastiness that is - or was - Big Brother?
Yes - if it also means we are witnessing a historic occasion: the end
of celebrity. A club has just decided to bar all Wags, nags, soap
stars, anorexic or otherwise; kiss-and tell-dispensers of sexual
favours to other women's husbands; reality TV survivors; fiancees of
famous people - and every other category of human being that makes up
the rag bag of "personalities" who claim the right to live in that
surreal zone inhabited by those who believe they are famous - if only
for being famous. (Or famous for being hugely cosmetically enhanced).
In God's name
Brian Whitaker
January 22, 2007 02:45 PM
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/brian_whitaker/2007/01/allah_versus_god=
..html
Reporting last week on the construction of a new mosque in Atlanta,
Georgia, the local newspaper noted:
"By year's end, more than 1,500 worshippers will profess their faith in
Allah here. They hope the mosque will help bridge the crater of
suspicion created after the 2001 terrorist attacks."
In Australia, where remarks by a Muslim cleric have been causing
controversy, Associated Press reported that the man in question, Sheikh
Feiz Mohammed, had been "urging children to become 'soldiers defending
Islam' and sacrifice their lives for Allah".
A funny thing happened on the way to the Forum
Conor Foley
January 22, 2007 02:15 PM
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/conor_foley/2007/01/this_is_what_global=
_democracy.html
"Another world is possible" is the official slogan of the World Social
Forum, which opened this weekend in Nairobi. The slightly ambiguous
nature of the claim seems particularly appropriate, given the chaotic
start to the event.
The arrogance that characterised a previous generation of left
rhetoric, with its claims about certainty and historic inevitability,
has been replaced by a far more modest aspiration. We are a meeting
place for an exchange of ideas and experiences, stresses the publicity
material, "not some form of world revolutionary vanguard".
All that glitters
Open Thread
January 22, 2007 01:46 PM
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/open_thread/2007/01/all_that_glitters.h=
tml
Diamonds, they say, are forever, a sign of everlasting love and a
girl's best friend but they also have a nastier reputation. Debate over
the trade of diamonds has been revived worldwide by the release of
Blood Diamond, a film starring Leonardo DiCaprio as an ex-mercenary
from Zimbabwe trying to recover a rare pink diamond during the civil
war in Sierra Leone.
Protest and confuse
John Harris
January 22, 2007 01:16 PM
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/john_harris/2007/01/protest_and_confuse=
..html
Given the usual uncertainties about how questions are phrased, what
options are offered, and the thick fog that hangs over what may or may
not be Public Opinion, one hesitates to get in too much of a lather
about opinion polling. But still: from ICM's claim that 59% of Britons
oppose the renewal of Trident (on the proviso that the cost will exceed
=A325bn), through the Sunday Herald's claim that 78% of Scots are
against, and on to Populus's discovery that though 62% of British men
are in favour, 52% of women remain opposed, something is definitely up.
In parliament, unease about the government's plans spreads way beyond
the usual leftist suspects; media chatter about the debate features
such unlikely anti-replacement voices as Charles Clarke and Michael
Portillo.
Meanwhile, CND claims a current membership of over 32,000 -
lowly-sounding, perhaps, but massively up on levels before the Trident
debate began - along with snowballing online and phone inquiries, and
increased donations. The lean years that followed the end of the cold
war may be over; even more remarkably, the closing of that historical
chapter surely gives the unilateralists' arguments a clarity and punch
that the supposed Russian threat always served to undermine. In other
words: what with the large-scale irrelevance of any "independent" UK
nuclear armoury to the modern world, these could be propitious times
for CND; ones in which to push beyond the oppositionist margins of yore
and actually make an impact.
A tale of two tapes
Jeff Jarvis
January 22, 2007 03:46 PM
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/jeff_jarvis/2007/01/a_tale_of_two_tapes=
_hillary_an.html
On the same day, Hillary Clinton and her political polar opposite, Sam
Brownback, announced their campaigns for the White House in internet
video. She pushes issues. He pushes God. Compare and contrast:
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22 Jan 2007 05:57:23 PM |
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On 22 Jan 2007 08:15:39 -0800, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote:
How Obama Vs. Clinton Shapes Up
One's got baggage galore and the other spent 4 years in a Muslim school in
Pakistan, possibly a madrasa.
The country wants a new name, and Bush and Clinton don't do it.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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22 Jan 2007 10:56:26 PM |
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On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:57:23 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On 22 Jan 2007 08:15:39 -0800, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote:
How Obama Vs. Clinton Shapes Up
One's got baggage galore and the other spent 4 years in a Muslim school in
Pakistan, possibly a madrasa.
The country wants a new name, and Bush and Clinton don't do it.
Obama it is.
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satyr #1953
Chairman, EAC Church Taxation Subcommittee
Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
Supervisor, EAC Fossil Casting Lab
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23 Jan 2007 01:20:03 PM |
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On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:57:23 -0600, duke wrote:
On 22 Jan 2007 08:15:39 -0800, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote:
How Obama Vs. Clinton Shapes Up
One's got baggage galore and the other spent 4 years in a Muslim school in
Pakistan, possibly a madrasa.
Why you evil, lying little ***** you.
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys
on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING
like Shakespeare!" - Blair Houghton
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23 Jan 2007 04:34:01 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:57:23 -0600, duke wrote:
On 22 Jan 2007 08:15:39 -0800, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote:
How Obama Vs. Clinton Shapes Up
One's got baggage galore and the other spent 4 years in a Muslim school in
Pakistan, possibly a madrasa.
Why you evil, lying little ***** you.
Tell me something I don't know...
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Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and
General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck of
Doom
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys
on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING
like Shakespeare!" - Blair Houghton
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22 Jan 2007 08:24:35 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
How Obama Vs. Clinton Shapes Up
One's got baggage galore and the other spent 4 years in a Muslim school in
Pakistan, possibly a madrasa.
You can't even get your false rumors right. What a fucking moron...
duke, American-American Idiot-Idiot
*****
"The ***** is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul LXIX
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22 Jan 2007 11:24:41 PM |
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duke wrote:
On 22 Jan 2007 08:15:39 -0800, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote:
How Obama Vs. Clinton Shapes Up
... and the other spent 4 years in a Muslim school in
Pakistan, possibly a madrasa.
That is such an obvious lie - have you no shame?
Mark.
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| User: "BDK" |
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23 Jan 2007 12:10:28 AM |
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In article <1169529881.185301.305660@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
m.richardson@utas.edu.au says...
duke wrote:
On 22 Jan 2007 08:15:39 -0800, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote:
How Obama Vs. Clinton Shapes Up
... and the other spent 4 years in a Muslim school in
Pakistan, possibly a madrasa.
That is such an obvious lie - have you no shame?
Mark.
No, Dookey has no shame, common sense, or sanity.
BDK
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23 Jan 2007 09:38:35 AM |
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duke wrote:
On 22 Jan 2007 08:15:39 -0800, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote:
How Obama Vs. Clinton Shapes Up
One's got baggage galore and the other spent 4 years in a Muslim school in
Pakistan, possibly a madrasa.
Actually, it was two years (not four years) in a school (of varying
faiths) in Indonesia (not Pakistan) which clearly wasn't a madrassa of
any sort.
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23 Jan 2007 03:20:36 AM |
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duke wrote:
On 22 Jan 2007 08:15:39 -0800, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote:
How Obama Vs. Clinton Shapes Up
One's got baggage galore and the other spent 4 years in a Muslim school in
Pakistan, possibly a madrasa.
So says Klan boy, DuKKKe.
Ann Dunham
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/c6de4ef4ec07babc
Barack Obama
http://www.indonesiamatters.com/1050/barack-obama/
January 21st, 2007, in News, by Patung
Senator Barack Obama's Muslim past in Indonesia is being used against
him.
Senator Barack Obama from Illinois is reputed to hold some ambition of
contesting the Democratic Party nomination for US president next year.
His likely rival for the nomination, Senator Hillary Clinton, or her
campaign staff, is believed by some to have "leaked" information
about Obama having attended a Muslim school in Indonesia, a
"madrassa", when living here as a child, and suggested that he
attempted to conceal the fact, that further, he may still be a closet
Muslim and sympathetic to the Muslim radical cause.
Barack Obama
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=+%22Barack+Obama%22&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&tab=gn&q=%22Barack+Obama%22&sa=N&tab=nw
http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22Barack%20Obama%22&sa=N&tab=wb
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22Barack+Obama%22&sa=N&tab=wd&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=Barack%20Obama&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
The country wants a new name, and Bush and Clinton don't do it.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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23 Jan 2007 04:54:21 AM |
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duke wrote:
On 22 Jan 2007 08:15:39 -0800, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote:
How Obama Vs. Clinton Shapes Up
One's got baggage galore and the other spent 4 years in a Muslim school in
Pakistan, possibly a madrasa.
So says Klan boy, DuKKKe.
Ann Dunham
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/c6de4ef4ec07babc
Barack Obama
http://www.indonesiamatters.com/1050/barack-obama/
January 21st, 2007, in News, by Patung
Senator Barack Obama's Muslim past in Indonesia is being used against
him.
Senator Barack Obama from Illinois is reputed to hold some ambition of
contesting the Democratic Party nomination for US president next year.
His likely rival for the nomination, Senator Hillary Clinton, or her
campaign staff, is believed by some to have "leaked" information about
Obama having attended a Muslim school in Indonesia, a "madrassa", when
living here as a child, and suggested that he attempted to conceal the
fact, that further, he may still be a closet Muslim and sympathetic to
the Muslim radical cause.
"Barack Obama" OR "Barack Hussein Obama"
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%22Barack%20Obama%22%20OR%20%22Barack%20Hussein%20Obama%22&btnG=Search&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22Barack+Obama%22+OR+%22Barack+Hussein+Obama%22&sa=N&tab=nw
http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22Barack%20Obama%22%20OR%20%22Barack%20Hussein%20Obama%22&sa=N&tab=wb
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Barack+Obama%22+OR+%22Barack+Hussein+Obama%22&btnG=Search+Directory&hl=en&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22Barack+Obama%22+OR+%22Barack+Hussein+Obama%22&start=0&scoring=d&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&
The country wants a new name, and Bush and Clinton don't do it.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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