In alt.atheism on Mon, 19 Jan 2004 06:24:31 GMT,

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:11:12 GMT,

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As the one and only atheist to have ever tried promoting a Catholic
propaganda site to me when relating their views (it was over the Terry
Schiavo thing, in case you don't remember), your opinion is very
relevant to my life. ;-*

I was gigging you.

Yeah, I figured that out after I replied. That's why I mentioned
feeling like an ***** in the next post which was also a reply to another
post of yours in this thread. :-/

And give the propaganda thing a rest will'ya?

Okay, it's a done deal. I have replied to the following statements,
but it should be taken to be "in general" and not regarding any of the
specific afore-mentioned issues.

The whole damned thing regarding Terry Schiavo was a he said she said
bunch of *****.
Once the politics kicked in the truth made a break for it to maintain
it's sanity.
And if a Catholic says "Love thy neighbor as thyself" it isn't any
less wise because the guy who said it is Catholic.

Not at all. But if a Catholic says, "Love thy neighbor as thyself
because it says so in Leviticus," then yes, it _is_ less wise.

And imo the reason a.a. drives you crazy is because there is so damned
much closed minded ***** posted by people who pride themselves to a
fault on being rational and open minded.

I have to count myself among them on far too many occasions to truly
be able to condemn anyone for that. And I do condemn them for that.
And I'm being a hypocrite when I do.

You know, it truly _sucks_ when you're so completely willing to open
your eyes up to your own faults. ;-) I almost wish I could lie to
myself again, like I did when I was still a Christian. :-# But
darkness cannot be "undispelled", so I trudge on bathed by such
painful light. :-(

(Sorry, I just wrote an archaic poem, I'm still in "the mode" - please
forgive my own narcissistic inebriation with the exuberance of my own
superfluous verbosity... <G>). ;-)

Many of them are just like the closed minded religious fundys they
claim to disrespect and hate the most.

I agree with this completely. I'm not sure what I think about the
'ratio' of such-to-such, and I'm not about to name names, but it is
definitely true in all too many cases.

Their religion just happens to be politics.

I know what you're saying, but I have a bit of a tough time describing
it that way. I think when it comes to this forum, with the atheists
who converse here and _why_ they converse here, it could more properly
be said for a larger percentage of them that their _politics_ just
happens to be "religion".

Frankly I have been bored to tears by their bleating, brainwashed crap
for quite a while.

Understood.

I'm looking for another hobby at the moment.

Have you ever considered sky-diving? I hear it's quite fun. And if
you do naked skydiving with any females, you get to see their tits
turn into miniature parachutes. It's really quite hysterical - and
I'd think so even if I were a woman, or a similar thing could be noted
on men. ;-)

You have been free about posting your history btw.
You made it public.

I apologize if I seemed to imply otherwise. I know exactly what I've
made public and what I haven't. Truth be known, there isn't very much
that any single person in the world can't know about me if they simply
look on Usenet. And if human civilization persists for any length of
time, that means all of these things aren't going to just "go away"
any time soon. I've regretted that on occasion in the past, and I'm
sure I'll regret that on occasion in the future. But, "Oh, well!"
That's life and all that jazz. I fully accept that by doing so, I've
opened my entire "soul", if you will, up to analysis, critique,
observation and yes, even attack. That doesn't mean I have to sit
idly by and endure something I think is unfair. In case it seemed so,
I'm not referring to you with that statement. It's just relevant to
the issue being discussed, not to you at the moment. :-)

It's really rather disgusting, but I'm almost the opposite of a
pathological liar - not only can I not hide the truth, I can't even
seem to just "keep it to myself" whether there is or isn't any call to
make it known. :-/

And I actually found myself bleeding from your wounds.
It's a terribly sad story.

I appreciate the sentiment, and I really mean that. But you don't
need to break out the Kleenex on my account. There are far more
attrocious tragedies in the world than own miserable existence. Just
yesterday, I read of a case in alt.true-crime where a woman was
arrested for injecting feces into her infant in the most horrible case
of "Munchausen by proxy" case I've ever seen. Yes, my life has been
"tragic" in ways, but there are good things too and some people don't
even have that much to hinge their sanity upon. :-(

If you wanted to make an impression you certainly did.
I just wish your life would work out well for you.
I truly do.

I can honestly say that you're saying right here exactly what I might
say if I were posting whilst in your shoes. Of course, there would
probably be a lot of, "OUCH!" and, "DAMN, how do you _WEAR_ these
microscopic little things?" as I'm a very big-footed man. But then
again, you might be, too. Besides, since I waasn't being literal and
am just babbling at this point, I suppose that was a relatively
useless point to make. ;-)

Thanks. I'm going to reply to the other one, too, but I don't think
I've said anything in this post to make myself feel like an ***** once
it's been posted. So it should be safe. ;-)

In article <7srm00pkmk8ug4sqndbso2jnur86fievmi@4ax.com>,

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:11:12 GMT,

In alt.atheism on Tue, 06 Jan 2004 02:48:50 GMT,

On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 23:25:18 GMT,

In alt.atheism on Mon, 05 Jan 2004 03:04:10 -0600, Erica
<scribe53151nospam@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Bill, The Avender" wrote:

...Please forgive me. 'Bye' was basically a minor
"nervous breakdown" that just happened to take place on Usenet. :-/

Twern't nuthin'. What's usenet for, if not for a good rant once in a
while.

Kinda figured you'd take a few deep breaths and come on back eventually.
You were obviously dealing with stuff that didn't have a ton to do with
us.

By the way, I was serious when I suggested therapy. Might help you to
excise the demons of your past, help you channel and deal with the anger
and help you see the self-worth that we already know is there. Mine is
very affirming. I do recommend it.

Thanks, I am in therapy. It's why these issues are even surfacing to
begin with. ;-) And I wholeheartedly recommend it to anyone else,
even just an evaluation for those who feel relatively "normal", if
there are such people.

Sheesh!
Do the kid a favor Avender.
Don't have him or her.
He or she will need a father who knows his own mind.
You obviously do not.

I obviously know mine a little better than you know yours. ;-)

I do have doubts about opinions, including my own, and the truth of
the "knowledge" people so freely throw about but I certainly do know
what I want and I will have it as long as it doesn't harm someone
else.

Krist...such utter weak assed bulshit.
Poor *baby*

Are you? So sorry to hear that. Hope you get better sometime. :-)
As the one and only atheist to have ever tried promoting a Catholic
propaganda site to me when relating their views (it was over the Terry
Schiavo thing, in case you don't remember), your opinion is very
relevant to my life. ;-*

I was gigging you.
And give the propaganda thing a rest will'ya?
The whole damned thing regarding Terry Schiavo was a he said she said
bunch of *****.
Once the politics kicked in the truth made a break for it to maintain
it's sanity.
And if a Catholic says "Love thy neighbor as thyself" it isn't any
less wise because the guy who said it is Catholic.
And imo the reason a.a. drives you crazy is because there is so damned
much closed minded ***** posted by people who pride themselves to a
fault on being rational and open minded.

YES!! That partisan, double standard mentality that some folks have
drives me insane whether it's coming from a liberal, conservative,
theist or atheist. Blatant bias and sweeping generalities are
wrong-headed, even if they are coming from one's own side.

It's that same Fundamentalist black-and-white mindset, just wearing
different outfits. No shades of gray, apparently.

Eh, I'm learning not to worry about it as much as I did though. Mostly
I'm just hanging out and using this medium as a social outlet and brain
stretcher.