Religions > Atheism > OT: Imagine if the resources that went into Iraq were used to help New Orleans
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05 Sep 2005 06:44:31 PM |
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OT: Imagine if the resources that went into Iraq were used to help New Orleans |
Even 10% of the equipment our alleged government sent to Iraq would
have been a real lifesaver in New Orleans.
Hey Bush and Co, you are faulty.
You don't care about anybody except when you can rip them off for
billions of dollars. I hope y'all catch leprosy.
TheRain
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06 Sep 2005 01:43:28 PM |
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'"Even 10% of the equipment our alleged government sent to Iraq would
have been a real lifesaver in New Orleans"
10 % of the bombs thrown on Iraq, would have been more than sufficient,
to whipe out all of the weapons of mass-destruction in New Orleans.
Except the Hurricane that is:)
Think about it
Peter van Velzen
September 2005
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
PS As usual I see the republicans blaming the democrats
The democrats blaming the republicans
and the libertarians blaming everybody.
And not many people who think about what to do,
to prevent it happening next time.
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06 Sep 2005 06:31:31 PM |
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On 6 Sep 2005 11:43:28 -0700, "pbamvv@worldonline.nl"
<pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote:
'"Even 10% of the equipment our alleged government sent to Iraq would
have been a real lifesaver in New Orleans"
10 % of the bombs thrown on Iraq, would have been more than sufficient,
to whipe out all of the weapons of mass-destruction in New Orleans.
Except the Hurricane that is:)
Think about it
I did. You didn't understand my post - the idea is if we could get
that much equipment and people in and out of Iraq, our own gulf coast
would have been as easy as beer.
Peter van Velzen
September 2005
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
PS As usual I see the republicans blaming the democrats
The democrats blaming the republicans
and the libertarians blaming everybody.
And not many people who think about what to do,
to prevent it happening next time.
You got us, there. It's a fly in the ointment of democracy which makes
it critical that we don't elect religious money hungry greedy nuts
into power over here at the US. Unfortunately, the majority of the
voters have been fooled, gradually, over the years, by religion.
BTW - how much do houses cost in the Netherlands - a small one, for a
single person with about 300k USD? Which language should I learn? I'm
a nice guy, a good tipper at bars, love women, play decent and honest
pool, and keep my nose out of other peoples business. But I'll help
people with technical problems and about anything else if I'm asked.
TheRain
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07 Sep 2005 01:02:03 PM |
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On the subject
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Sorry I didn;t make myself clear,
I alsways expect people to be able to view things from a different
angle
And they never do
The money spent on Iraq would indeed be more than sufficient
however money is not the problem
Goods and logistics are.
I am afraid the stuff shipped to Iraq was for a great deal not
purchased for that war,
but rather Iraq was chosen as a good place to deploy it.
Now as two your last question
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BTW - how much do houses cost in the Netherlands - a small one, for a
single person with about 300k USD? Which language should I learn? I'm
a nice guy, a good tipper at bars, love women, play decent and honest
pool, and keep my nose out of other peoples business. But I'll help
people with technical problems and about anything else if I'm asked.
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BTW: BTW is the dutch abreviation for VAT:)
Houses come from $ 250,000
The amsterdam red-light district is best for bars and women
(but not the cued ones)
And I don't know about pool.
I would advice you to go to Thailand instead
more bars, more girls, more pool
My brother in law has a house there with 5 bedrooms (one is a suite),
another one only has it's own bathroom, and 540 square meters of land.
Only $ 60,000,!
but Thung Song (Nakhon si Tammarat) is four hours driving away,
from the bars and pool in Phuket
But think about it:)
Peter van Velzen
September 2005
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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07 Sep 2005 05:23:28 PM |
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On 7 Sep 2005 11:02:03 -0700, "pbamvv@worldonline.nl"
<pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote:
On the subject
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Sorry I didn;t make myself clear,
I alsways expect people to be able to view things from a different
angle
And they never do
I know what you mean - I'm one of the few that break from the herd in
thinking - and it makes me very proficient at my job, which is finding
solutions in technological situations that have the others stumped. I
have pleasure in working with others that also look at as many angles
as possible. Us few aren't constrained by conventional thought that
people are coerced into so as to "fit in". Religion is a great source
of coercion. That's why the US government loves it and uses (exploits)
it.
The money spent on Iraq would indeed be more than sufficient
however money is not the problem
Goods and logistics are.
I am afraid the stuff shipped to Iraq was for a great deal not
purchased for that war,
but rather Iraq was chosen as a good place to deploy it.
I was referring to the transportation - lots of things and people must
have been shipped in and out of Iraq regardless of their purported
purpose. Just the shipping effort should have sufficed to drag lots of
people out of Katrina's path and built or reinforced levees, etc - I'm
no civil engineer but it seems much could have and should have been
done. But the godbot's running the US government probably figured it
was good to let such a partying city famous for sex get wiped out.
And the damage to refineries just played into their hand in
profiteering off oil, which is what the US government's kidnappers
agenda is financed from.
The fact that there are so many conflicting "reasons" for that war is
the "multiple lie technique". If one lie were told, it could be found
out. They succeeded in confusing the population with so much dissent
that we can't find a shred of truth to begin an investigation. Clever,
huh? Easy when your wealth-buddies own most of the radio, television
and print media. It's all a corporate glom.
Definitions of glom on the Web:
hook: take by theft; "Someone snitched my wallet!"
seize upon or latch onto something; "The Republicans glommed onto
Whitewater"
Perhaps the root of conGLOMerate
Definitions of con on the Web: (selective)
victimize: deprive of by deceit; "He swindled me out of my
inheritance"; "She defrauded the customers who trusted her"; "the
cashier gypped me when he gave me too little change"
bunco: a swindle in which you cheat at gambling or persuade a person
to buy worthless property
Now as two your last question
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BTW - how much do houses cost in the Netherlands - a small one, for a
single person with about 300k USD? Which language should I learn? I'm
a nice guy, a good tipper at bars, love women, play decent and honest
pool, and keep my nose out of other peoples business. But I'll help
people with technical problems and about anything else if I'm asked.
=================================================
BTW: BTW is the dutch abreviation for VAT:)
?
Houses come from $ 250,000
The amsterdam red-light district is best for bars and women
(but not the cued ones)
And I don't know about pool.
I would advice you to go to Thailand instead
more bars, more girls, more pool
My brother in law has a house there with 5 bedrooms (one is a suite),
another one only has it's own bathroom, and 540 square meters of land.
Only $ 60,000,!
but Thung Song (Nakhon si Tammarat) is four hours driving away,
from the bars and pool in Phuket
But think about it:)
Peter van Velzen
September 2005
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
Thanks for that info - I don't really want to run away from a problem,
but recently I DO find myself thinking about it. I would not have
thought about Thailand.
The $250,000 figure is attractive. Maybe in my retirement I'll look
into it.
Thanks again.
TheRain
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| User: "Santolina chamaecyparissus" |
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05 Sep 2005 09:59:11 PM |
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wrote:
Even 10% of the equipment our alleged government sent to Iraq would
have been a real lifesaver in New Orleans.
I don't understand. If 10% of the bombs, ammunition, armored patrols,
depleted uranium munitions, detentions without legal recourse,
trigger-happy killings, and general dehumanization resulting from
foreign occupation had been used New Orleans, what? Woulda been like
Disneyworld?
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06 Sep 2005 06:10:42 PM |
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On 5 Sep 2005 19:59:11 -0700, "Santolina chamaecyparissus"
<santolina@juno.com> wrote:
TheRain@storm.net wrote:
Even 10% of the equipment our alleged government sent to Iraq would
have been a real lifesaver in New Orleans.
I don't understand. If 10% of the bombs, ammunition, armored patrols,
depleted uranium munitions, detentions without legal recourse,
trigger-happy killings, and general dehumanization resulting from
foreign occupation had been used New Orleans, what? Woulda been like
Disneyworld?
No you hammerhead, the means of transport, getting equipment and
people in and out of the disaster - we don't have to bomb the gulf
cost it's already USA, no Saddam or Al-Q----never mind, if you didn't
understand my post, double check your medicine and plonk me please.
Kind of weapon happy, aren't you?
TheRain
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| User: "LP" |
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05 Sep 2005 07:22:03 PM |
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On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 19:44:31 -0400, wrote:
Even 10% of the equipment our alleged government sent to Iraq would
have been a real lifesaver in New Orleans.
Hey Bush and Co, you are faulty.
You don't care about anybody except when you can rip them off for
billions of dollars. I hope y'all catch leprosy.
TheRain
Even better, imagine if the resources that went to Iraq were used to
promote and teach critical thinking and self-reliance.
Many more of the people who could have evacuated, but chose not too,
would have been much more responsible in their decisions and found a
way to evacuate.
Critical thinking skills would have the effect of reducing or
eliminating the irrational behavior of religious nuts, even the ones
who are politicians.
Countries that have religious nuts as their leaders and heroes cannot
be expected to competently influence other countries to caste out
their barbaric religions.
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06 Sep 2005 05:53:23 PM |
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On 5 Sep 2005 19:22:03 -0500, LP <whirl_pool@nospam.hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 19:44:31 -0400, wrote:
Even 10% of the equipment our alleged government sent to Iraq would
have been a real lifesaver in New Orleans.
Hey Bush and Co, you are faulty.
You don't care about anybody except when you can rip them off for
billions of dollars. I hope y'all catch leprosy.
TheRain
Even better, imagine if the resources that went to Iraq were used to
promote and teach critical thinking and self-reliance.
Many more of the people who could have evacuated, but chose not too,
would have been much more responsible in their decisions and found a
way to evacuate.
Critical thinking skills would have the effect of reducing or
eliminating the irrational behavior of religious nuts, even the ones
who are politicians.
Countries that have religious nuts as their leaders and heroes cannot
be expected to competently influence other countries to caste out
their barbaric religions.
Yes. I think you are correct. Unfortunately they want dumb people
because they make cheap labor, uncompetitive with illegal aliens, and
they make good soldiers.
I, like you, hanker for the America that was usurped by the Corporate
run GOP.
It's not new: even Poe wrote "....corporations have neither bodies to
be kicked nor souls to be damned". (When Poe (1801-1840) reached my
age he had been dead for ~ 13 years)
But they won't let caring for us get in the way of their profit and
they, like heroin dealers, have a lock on the one thing nobody can
boycott - ENERGY - they should drown in their oil.
TheRain
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09 Sep 2005 12:34:45 PM |
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I, like you, hanker for the America that was usurped by the Corporate
run GOP.
Yes, I too hanker for the good old days. When were they
again? ;-)
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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11 Sep 2005 08:09:44 PM |
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On 9 Sep 2005 10:34:45 -0700, wrote:
TheRain@storm.net wrote:
I, like you, hanker for the America that was usurped by the Corporate
run GOP.
Yes, I too hanker for the good old days. When were they
again? ;-)
Touche. :)`
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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11 Sep 2005 04:47:04 PM |
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On 5 Sep 2005 19:22:03 -0500, LP <whirl_pool@nospam.hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 19:44:31 -0400, wrote:
Even 10% of the equipment our alleged government sent to Iraq would
have been a real lifesaver in New Orleans.
Hey Bush and Co, you are faulty.
You don't care about anybody except when you can rip them off for
billions of dollars. I hope y'all catch leprosy.
TheRain
Even better, imagine if the resources that went to Iraq were used to
promote and teach critical thinking and self-reliance.
Many more of the people who could have evacuated, but chose not too,
would have been much more responsible in their decisions and found a
way to evacuate.
Critical thinking skills would have the effect of reducing or
eliminating the irrational behavior of religious nuts, even the ones
who are politicians.
It would also reduce the effect advertising (we'll create a problem so
we can sell you a solution) and have a direct effect on companies'
profitability. It would also reduce the prophet$ and control of the
superstition industry. Therefore, that cannot occurr.
Countries that have religious nuts as their leaders and heroes cannot
be expected to competently influence other countries to caste out
their barbaric religions.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Kate " |
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05 Sep 2005 07:39:16 PM |
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On 5 Sep 2005 19:22:03 -0500, LP <whirl_pool@nospam.hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 19:44:31 -0400, wrote:
Even 10% of the equipment our alleged government sent to Iraq would
have been a real lifesaver in New Orleans.
Hey Bush and Co, you are faulty.
You don't care about anybody except when you can rip them off for
billions of dollars. I hope y'all catch leprosy.
TheRain
Even better, imagine if the resources that went to Iraq were used to
promote and teach critical thinking and self-reliance.
Since you show no sign of critical thinking, perhaps you should sign
up first.
Many more of the people who could have evacuated, but chose not too,
would have been much more responsible in their decisions and found a
way to evacuate.
Let's see - small children, infants, handicapped, or on oxygen, no
money, no car, no public transport, no place to go and a hurricane
bearing down on you within 2 hours that may or may not damage your
house.
Most intellegent critical thinkers would figure that staying put is
the safest thing to do
Critical thinking skills would have the effect of reducing or
eliminating the irrational behavior of religious nuts, even the ones
who are politicians.
Not when people like you don't have the tools to. It's a lost cause,
as you have amply demonstrated.
Countries that have religious nuts as their leaders and heroes cannot
be expected to competently influence other countries to caste out
their barbaric religions.
Yeah, the US is having that problem right now.
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| User: "Mark" |
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05 Sep 2005 09:45:08 PM |
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Let's see....2 fulls days of knowing a cat 5 hurricane is off your
coast.
I know, lets evacuate the women, kids, infirm, elderly, poor by school
busses, public transport rather than put them up in a "superdome" where
they'll have no sanitation, no food, no water, no electrcity and
they'll get raped, beating or killed!
2 hours to go, my ***** - we knew about hurricane Katerina as it passed
over Florida.
But he republican government? No, they'll stay on holiday until it's 2
days too late...
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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06 Sep 2005 07:11:18 AM |
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"Mark" <msmith3@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1125974708.573348.326840@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Let's see....2 fulls days of knowing a cat 5 hurricane is off your
coast.
I know, lets evacuate the women, kids, infirm, elderly, poor by school
busses, public transport rather than put them up in a "superdome"
where they'll have no sanitation, no food, no water, no electrcity and
they'll get raped, beating or killed!
That was the mayor's responsibility, not the President's.
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’ - Howard Dean
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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06 Sep 2005 01:09:20 PM |
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In episode <1126008678.8266b98018d2c0868c876f6a927e5602@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark" <msmith3@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1125974708.573348.326840@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Let's see....2 fulls days of knowing a cat 5 hurricane is off your
coast.
I know, lets evacuate the women, kids, infirm, elderly, poor by school
busses, public transport rather than put them up in a "superdome" where
they'll have no sanitation, no food, no water, no electrcity and they'll
get raped, beating or killed!
That was the mayor's responsibility, not the President's.
Oh you mean the magical mayor who can feed 10,000 from a couple of loaves
and fishes? The magical mayor who can single handedly drive 250 buses at
a time all by himself?
What part of "our resources will be overloaded" are you and President
***** having so much trouble understanding?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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06 Sep 2005 02:58:32 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:B6-dnZiMd6PNRoDeRVn-tg@megapath.net:
In episode <1126008678.8266b98018d2c0868c876f6a927e5602@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark" <msmith3@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1125974708.573348.326840@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Let's see....2 fulls days of knowing a cat 5 hurricane is off your
coast.
I know, lets evacuate the women, kids, infirm, elderly, poor by
school busses, public transport rather than put them up in a
"superdome" where they'll have no sanitation, no food, no water, no
electrcity and they'll get raped, beating or killed!
That was the mayor's responsibility, not the President's.
Oh you mean the magical mayor who can feed 10,000 from a couple of
loaves and fishes? The magical mayor who can single handedly drive 250
buses at a time all by himself?
So you realize that it would take a miracle to do all that.
What part of "our resources will be overloaded" are you and President
***** having so much trouble understanding?
That doesn't absolve the mayor and the governor of the resposibility to
make the best use of the resources that they *did* have, and of
preparing for and following the plan that they *did* have.
Buses, Mark. The ones in that flooded parking lot. And food and water in
the designated shelters. It's not like they didn't know they would need
them, it was the same story after Ivan last year.
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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06 Sep 2005 06:35:26 PM |
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In episode <1126036712.3b20bebe87bfc4417e5822d0ac6f6c37@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:B6-dnZiMd6PNRoDeRVn-tg@megapath.net:
In episode <1126008678.8266b98018d2c0868c876f6a927e5602@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark" <msmith3@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1125974708.573348.326840@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Let's see....2 fulls days of knowing a cat 5 hurricane is off your
coast.
I know, lets evacuate the women, kids, infirm, elderly, poor by school
busses, public transport rather than put them up in a "superdome"
where they'll have no sanitation, no food, no water, no electrcity and
they'll get raped, beating or killed!
That was the mayor's responsibility, not the President's.
Oh you mean the magical mayor who can feed 10,000 from a couple of
loaves and fishes? The magical mayor who can single handedly drive 250
buses at a time all by himself?
So you realize that it would take a miracle to do all that.
You said it was Nagin's responsibility *****. YOU said it. I'm telling
you that FEMA and DHS were told on Friday we couldn't handle a disaster of
this size.
Where was the water? Where was the food? Where were the doctors? Where
were the medicines? WHERE WERE THE RELIEF SUPPLIES?
What part of "our resources will be overloaded" are you and President
***** having so much trouble understanding?
That doesn't absolve the mayor and the governor of the resposibility to
make the best use of the resources that they *did* have, and of preparing
for and following the plan that they *did* have.
Buses, Mark. The ones in that flooded parking lot. And food and water in
the designated shelters. It's not like they didn't know they would need
them, it was the same story after Ivan last year.
Yeah, buses. You wanted to put 10,000 on the road at the tail end of a 2
to 5 mile per hour evacuation traffic jam so they'd be stuck in 50, 60...
90? 100? mile per hour winds. In school buses.
Damn good thing Nagin was mayor and not you. You would have killed those
people.
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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06 Sep 2005 08:06:24 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:WLidncQEB7YguoPeRVn-2A@megapath.net:
In episode <1126036712.3b20bebe87bfc4417e5822d0ac6f6c37@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:B6-dnZiMd6PNRoDeRVn-tg@megapath.net:
In episode <1126008678.8266b98018d2c0868c876f6a927e5602@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark" <msmith3@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1125974708.573348.326840@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Let's see....2 fulls days of knowing a cat 5 hurricane is off your
coast.
I know, lets evacuate the women, kids, infirm, elderly, poor by
school busses, public transport rather than put them up in a
"superdome" where they'll have no sanitation, no food, no water,
no electrcity and they'll get raped, beating or killed!
That was the mayor's responsibility, not the President's.
Oh you mean the magical mayor who can feed 10,000 from a couple of
loaves and fishes? The magical mayor who can single handedly drive
250 buses at a time all by himself?
So you realize that it would take a miracle to do all that.
You said it was Nagin's responsibility *****. YOU said it. I'm
telling you that FEMA and DHS were told on Friday we couldn't handle a
disaster of this size.
Friday was a bit late to be coming to that realization.
Where was the water? Where was the food? Where were the doctors? Where
were the medicines? WHERE WERE THE RELIEF SUPPLIES?
They should have been provided for months ago. FEMA wasn't going to get
them there overnight.
What part of "our resources will be overloaded" are you and
President ***** having so much trouble understanding?
That doesn't absolve the mayor and the governor of the resposibility
to make the best use of the resources that they *did* have, and of
preparing for and following the plan that they *did* have.
Buses, Mark. The ones in that flooded parking lot. And food and water
in the designated shelters. It's not like they didn't know they would
need them, it was the same story after Ivan last year.
Yeah, buses. You wanted to put 10,000 on the road at the tail end of a
2 to 5 mile per hour evacuation traffic jam so they'd be stuck in 50,
60... 90? 100? mile per hour winds. In school buses.
I wanted them to start the evacuation on Friday like it says in the city
disaster plan.
Damn good thing Nagin was mayor and not you. You would have killed
those people.
Too bad I wasn't mayor. I would have had them drilling on the disaster
plan every six months. INCLUDING drivers for the buses and supplies for
the shelters-of-last-resort.
AND I would make sure that I knew what to ask for from FEMA.
You keep forgetting, I've been through a disastrous hurricane and worked
on disaster planning for my company.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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06 Sep 2005 10:21:27 PM |
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In episode <1126055184.3595cecd62bf56f71da877f31e7910b8@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:WLidncQEB7YguoPeRVn-2A@megapath.net:
In episode <1126036712.3b20bebe87bfc4417e5822d0ac6f6c37@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:B6-dnZiMd6PNRoDeRVn-tg@megapath.net:
In episode <1126008678.8266b98018d2c0868c876f6a927e5602@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark" <msmith3@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1125974708.573348.326840@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Let's see....2 fulls days of knowing a cat 5 hurricane is off your
coast.
I know, lets evacuate the women, kids, infirm, elderly, poor by
school busses, public transport rather than put them up in a
"superdome" where they'll have no sanitation, no food, no water, no
electrcity and they'll get raped, beating or killed!
That was the mayor's responsibility, not the President's.
Oh you mean the magical mayor who can feed 10,000 from a couple of
loaves and fishes? The magical mayor who can single handedly drive
250 buses at a time all by himself?
So you realize that it would take a miracle to do all that.
You said it was Nagin's responsibility *****. YOU said it. I'm
telling you that FEMA and DHS were told on Friday we couldn't handle a
disaster of this size.
Friday was a bit late to be coming to that realization.
*Excuse me? She filed the paperwork for disaster relief when Katrina was
projected to hit Florida.
Where was the water? Where was the food? Where were the doctors? Where
were the medicines? WHERE WERE THE RELIEF SUPPLIES?
They should have been provided for months ago. FEMA wasn't going to get
them there overnight.
What part of "poor state" are you having so goddamned much trouble
understanding?
What part of "our resources will be overloaded" are you and President
***** having so much trouble understanding?
That doesn't absolve the mayor and the governor of the resposibility
to make the best use of the resources that they *did* have, and of
preparing for and following the plan that they *did* have.
Buses, Mark. The ones in that flooded parking lot. And food and water
in the designated shelters. It's not like they didn't know they would
need them, it was the same story after Ivan last year.
Yeah, buses. You wanted to put 10,000 on the road at the tail end of a
2 to 5 mile per hour evacuation traffic jam so they'd be stuck in 50,
60... 90? 100? mile per hour winds. In school buses.
I wanted them to start the evacuation on Friday like it says in the city
disaster plan.
You wanted Nagin to drag people out of the city when Katrina was projected
to strike Florida?
Damn good thing Nagin was mayor and not you. You would have killed
those people.
Too bad I wasn't mayor. I would have had them drilling on the disaster
plan every six months. INCLUDING drivers for the buses and supplies for
the shelters-of-last-resort.
Yeah? With what? Your Mastercard? You think money grows on trees?
AND I would make sure that I knew what to ask for from FEMA.
Blanco knew. She asked. FEMA failed.
You keep forgetting, I've been through a disastrous hurricane and worked
on disaster planning for my company.
If you're such hot *****, why didn't you know you can't put people on the
road when the fucking hurricane is making landfall? Tell me that Mr.
Expert.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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07 Sep 2005 08:39:47 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:VKqdnT9S68AowYPeRVn-hQ@megapath.net:
In episode <1126055184.3595cecd62bf56f71da877f31e7910b8@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:WLidncQEB7YguoPeRVn-2A@megapath.net:
<...>
Yeah, buses. You wanted to put 10,000 on the road at the tail end of
a 2 to 5 mile per hour evacuation traffic jam so they'd be stuck in
50, 60... 90? 100? mile per hour winds. In school buses.
I wanted them to start the evacuation on Friday like it says in the
city disaster plan.
You wanted Nagin to drag people out of the city when Katrina was
projected to strike Florida?
Yes. Give them an extra two days to organize public transportation for
the people who needed it. They knew ahead of time that two or three
hundred thousand people wouldn't be able to leave. You seem to think it
was perfectly OK to abandon them and then to cry because the Feds
couldn't mobilize fast enough to rescue them before it got ugly.
Damn good thing Nagin was mayor and not you. You would have killed
those people.
Too bad I wasn't mayor. I would have had them drilling on the
disaster plan every six months. INCLUDING drivers for the buses and
supplies for the shelters-of-last-resort.
Yeah? With what? Your Mastercard? You think money grows on trees?
http://publications.cagw.org/pigbook/pigbook.php3
Select Louisiana, then click Submit.
Then tell me which of those items is more important than the money we're
talking about.
AND I would make sure that I knew what to ask for from FEMA.
Blanco knew. She asked. FEMA failed.
Yeah, she asked for money and some extra shelters. Not for food and
supplies. THAT request came later.
You keep forgetting, I've been through a disastrous hurricane and
worked on disaster planning for my company.
If you're such hot *****, why didn't you know you can't put people on
the road when the fucking hurricane is making landfall? Tell me that
Mr. Expert.
I told you, Mark, I would have started the evacuation at least 24 hours
earlier than your precious mayor did. Why don't you pay attention to
what I'm writing?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Imagine if the resources that went into Iraq were used to help New Orleans |
07 Sep 2005 11:22:08 AM |
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In episode <1126100388.be86778053567f7b0bc4b6012124fad6@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
I told you, Mark, I would have started the evacuation at least 24 hours
earlier than your precious mayor did. Why don't you pay attention to what
I'm writing?
You're still lying Fred. And proving you know *nothing.
Try this:
When did contra-flow go into effect?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Imagine if the resources that went into Iraq were used to help New Orleans |
07 Sep 2005 01:15:02 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:0cydndzdYbQwjoLeRVn-vQ@megapath.net:
In episode <1126100388.be86778053567f7b0bc4b6012124fad6@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:
I told you, Mark, I would have started the evacuation at least 24
hours earlier than your precious mayor did. Why don't you pay
attention to what I'm writing?
You're still lying Fred. And proving you know *nothing.
Try this:
When did contra-flow go into effect?
4 PM on Saturday. Still under "voluntary" evacuation.
State of emergency for New Orleans and mandatory evacuation orders were
given on Sunday.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "towelie" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Imagine if the resources that went into Iraq were used to help New Orleans |
07 Sep 2005 07:41:02 PM |
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TV's Fred Stone wrote:
I wanted them to start the evacuation on Friday like it says in the
city disaster plan.
You wanted Nagin to drag people out of the city when Katrina was
projected to strike Florida?
Yes. Give them an extra two days to organize public transportation for
the people who needed it. They knew ahead of time that two or three
hundred thousand people wouldn't be able to leave. You seem to think it
was perfectly OK to abandon them and then to cry because the Feds
couldn't mobilize fast enough to rescue them before it got ugly.
Should they evacuated Pensacola as well? They didn't think the 'cane would
hit where it did on Friday. They can't predict the future.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Imagine if the resources that went into Iraq were used to help New Orleans |
07 Sep 2005 09:09:52 PM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:IpKdnd68m-sDFYLeRVn-sQ@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
I wanted them to start the evacuation on Friday like it says in the
city disaster plan.
You wanted Nagin to drag people out of the city when Katrina was
projected to strike Florida?
Yes. Give them an extra two days to organize public transportation
for the people who needed it. They knew ahead of time that two or
three hundred thousand people wouldn't be able to leave. You seem to
think it was perfectly OK to abandon them and then to cry because the
Feds couldn't mobilize fast enough to rescue them before it got ugly.
Should they evacuated Pensacola as well? They didn't think the 'cane
would hit where it did on Friday. They can't predict the future.
That's exactly the point, towelie. They waited until they knew for sure
that it was coming up their ***** and then it was too late to do anything
for the people who were dependant on public transportation.
Yes, it costs money. You tell me. Was it worth the savings for *not*
doing it?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "towelie" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Imagine if the resources that went into Iraq were used to help New Orleans |
08 Sep 2005 05:15:54 AM |
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TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:IpKdnd68m-sDFYLeRVn-sQ@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
I wanted them to start the evacuation on Friday like it says in the
city disaster plan.
You wanted Nagin to drag people out of the city when Katrina was
projected to strike Florida?
Yes. Give them an extra two days to organize public transportation
for the people who needed it. They knew ahead of time that two or
three hundred thousand people wouldn't be able to leave. You seem to
think it was perfectly OK to abandon them and then to cry because the
Feds couldn't mobilize fast enough to rescue them before it got ugly.
Should they evacuated Pensacola as well? They didn't think the 'cane
would hit where it did on Friday. They can't predict the future.
That's exactly the point, towelie. They waited until they knew for sure
that it was coming up their ***** and then it was too late to do anything
for the people who were dependant on public transportation.
Yes, it costs money. You tell me. Was it worth the savings for *not*
doing it?
I used to live in Savannah. When Hurricane Fran was heading towards the
coast, it was making a beeline for Savannah. The forecasters expected it to
turn north but that there was a slight chance that it would hit us. I
wanted to wait it out, but my then-spouse was scared and wanted to leave.
So I begged my boss for a few days off and headed to Augusta. The next
morning I woke up in my hotel room and turned on the TV, and they said that
it had made the turn and was going to impact South Carolina. She wanted to
go home but I had already paid for 2 nights, so I stayed another day.
Wasted 2 days and quite a bit of money. You don't want to leave too early.
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08 Sep 2005 06:30:15 AM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:95-dnZloH6DSkr3eRVn-pA@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:IpKdnd68m-sDFYLeRVn-sQ@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
I wanted them to start the evacuation on Friday like it says in
the city disaster plan.
You wanted Nagin to drag people out of the city when Katrina was
projected to strike Florida?
Yes. Give them an extra two days to organize public transportation
for the people who needed it. They knew ahead of time that two or
three hundred thousand people wouldn't be able to leave. You seem
to think it was perfectly OK to abandon them and then to cry
because the Feds couldn't mobilize fast enough to rescue them
before it got ugly.
Should they evacuated Pensacola as well? They didn't think the
'cane would hit where it did on Friday. They can't predict the
future.
That's exactly the point, towelie. They waited until they knew for
sure that it was coming up their ***** and then it was too late to do
anything for the people who were dependant on public transportation.
Yes, it costs money. You tell me. Was it worth the savings for *not*
doing it?
I used to live in Savannah. When Hurricane Fran was heading towards
the coast, it was making a beeline for Savannah. The forecasters
expected it to turn north but that there was a slight chance that it
would hit us. I wanted to wait it out, but my then-spouse was scared
and wanted to leave. So I begged my boss for a few days off and headed
to Augusta. The next morning I woke up in my hotel room and turned on
the TV, and they said that it had made the turn and was going to
impact South Carolina. She wanted to go home but I had already paid
for 2 nights, so I stayed another day. Wasted 2 days and quite a bit
of money. You don't want to leave too early.
Yeah, that idea worked out real well for New Orleans this time, didn't
it?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "towelie" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Imagine if the resources that went into Iraq were used to help New Orleans |
08 Sep 2005 01:55:06 PM |
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TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:95-dnZloH6DSkr3eRVn-pA@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:IpKdnd68m-sDFYLeRVn-sQ@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
I wanted them to start the evacuation on Friday like it says in
the city disaster plan.
You wanted Nagin to drag people out of the city when Katrina was
projected to strike Florida?
Yes. Give them an extra two days to organize public transportation
for the people who needed it. They knew ahead of time that two or
three hundred thousand people wouldn't be able to leave. You seem
to think it was perfectly OK to abandon them and then to cry
because the Feds couldn't mobilize fast enough to rescue them
before it got ugly.
Should they evacuated Pensacola as well? They didn't think the
'cane would hit where it did on Friday. They can't predict the
future.
That's exactly the point, towelie. They waited until they knew for
sure that it was coming up their ***** and then it was too late to do
anything for the people who were dependant on public transportation.
Yes, it costs money. You tell me. Was it worth the savings for *not*
doing it?
I used to live in Savannah. When Hurricane Fran was heading towards
the coast, it was making a beeline for Savannah. The forecasters
expected it to turn north but that there was a slight chance that it
would hit us. I wanted to wait it out, but my then-spouse was scared
and wanted to leave. So I begged my boss for a few days off and headed
to Augusta. The next morning I woke up in my hotel room and turned on
the TV, and they said that it had made the turn and was going to
impact South Carolina. She wanted to go home but I had already paid
for 2 nights, so I stayed another day. Wasted 2 days and quite a bit
of money. You don't want to leave too early.
Yeah, that idea worked out real well for New Orleans this time, didn't
it?
There's a window of time to leave or not to leave. According to your logic,
why didn't they leave August 1, just to be safe? Why didn't we evacuate the
whole coast from Tampa to Corpus?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Imagine if the resources that went into Iraq were used to help New Orleans |
08 Sep 2005 03:54:08 PM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:QvudnQthyaWbFL3eRVn-sw@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:95-dnZloH6DSkr3eRVn-pA@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:IpKdnd68m-sDFYLeRVn-sQ@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
I wanted them to start the evacuation on Friday like it says in
the city disaster plan.
You wanted Nagin to drag people out of the city when Katrina was
projected to strike Florida?
Yes. Give them an extra two days to organize public
transportation for the people who needed it. They knew ahead of
time that two or three hundred thousand people wouldn't be able
to leave. You seem to think it was perfectly OK to abandon them
and then to cry because the Feds couldn't mobilize fast enough to
rescue them before it got ugly.
Should they evacuated Pensacola as well? They didn't think the
'cane would hit where it did on Friday. They can't predict the
future.
That's exactly the point, towelie. They waited until they knew for
sure that it was coming up their ***** and then it was too late to do
anything for the people who were dependant on public
transportation.
Yes, it costs money. You tell me. Was it worth the savings for
*not* doing it?
I used to live in Savannah. When Hurricane Fran was heading towards
the coast, it was making a beeline for Savannah. The forecasters
expected it to turn north but that there was a slight chance that it
would hit us. I wanted to wait it out, but my then-spouse was
scared and wanted to leave. So I begged my boss for a few days off
and headed to Augusta. The next morning I woke up in my hotel room
and turned on the TV, and they said that it had made the turn and
was going to impact South Carolina. She wanted to go home but I had
already paid for 2 nights, so I stayed another day. Wasted 2 days
and quite a bit of money. You don't want to leave too early.
Yeah, that idea worked out real well for New Orleans this time,
didn't it?
There's a window of time to leave or not to leave. According to your
logic, why didn't they leave August 1, just to be safe? Why didn't we
evacuate the whole coast from Tampa to Corpus?
Sorry, towelie, but Stupid Logic is a Democrat specialty.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "towelie" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Imagine if the resources that went into Iraq were used to help New Orleans |
08 Sep 2005 05:44:19 PM |
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TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:QvudnQthyaWbFL3eRVn-sw@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:95-dnZloH6DSkr3eRVn-pA@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:IpKdnd68m-sDFYLeRVn-sQ@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
I wanted them to start the evacuation on Friday like it says in
the city disaster plan.
You wanted Nagin to drag people out of the city when Katrina was
projected to strike Florida?
Yes. Give them an extra two days to organize public
transportation for the people who needed it. They knew ahead of
time that two or three hundred thousand people wouldn't be able
to leave. You seem to think it was perfectly OK to abandon them
and then to cry because the Feds couldn't mobilize fast enough to
rescue them before it got ugly.
Should they evacuated Pensacola as well? They didn't think the
'cane would hit where it did on Friday. They can't predict the
future.
That's exactly the point, towelie. They waited until they knew for
sure that it was coming up their ***** and then it was too late to do
anything for the people who were dependant on public
transportation.
Yes, it costs money. You tell me. Was it worth the savings for
*not* doing it?
I used to live in Savannah. When Hurricane Fran was heading towards
the coast, it was making a beeline for Savannah. The forecasters
expected it to turn north but that there was a slight chance that it
would hit us. I wanted to wait it out, but my then-spouse was
scared and wanted to leave. So I begged my boss for a few days off
and headed to Augusta. The next morning I woke up in my hotel room
and turned on the TV, and they said that it had made the turn and
was going to impact South Carolina. She wanted to go home but I had
already paid for 2 nights, so I stayed another day. Wasted 2 days
and quite a bit of money. You don't want to leave too early.
Yeah, that idea worked out real well for New Orleans this time,
didn't it?
There's a window of time to leave or not to leave. According to your
logic, why didn't they leave August 1, just to be safe? Why didn't we
evacuate the whole coast from Tampa to Corpus?
Sorry, towelie, but Stupid Logic is a Democrat specialty.
Sorry, Fred, but you prove that wrong each and every day.
--
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| Title: Re: OT: Imagine if the resources that went into Iraq were used to help New Orleans |
08 Sep 2005 07:49:40 PM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1uudndxId98oI73eRVn-tg@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:QvudnQthyaWbFL3eRVn-sw@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:95-dnZloH6DSkr3eRVn-pA@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:IpKdnd68m-sDFYLeRVn-sQ@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
I wanted them to start the evacuation on Friday like it says
in the city disaster plan.
You wanted Nagin to drag people out of the city when Katrina
was projected to strike Florida?
Yes. Give them an extra two days to organize public
transportation for the people who needed it. They knew ahead of
time that two or three hundred thousand people wouldn't be able
to leave. You seem to think it was perfectly OK to abandon them
and then to cry because the Feds couldn't mobilize fast enough
to rescue them before it got ugly.
Should they evacuated Pensacola as well? They didn't think the
'cane would hit where it did on Friday. They can't predict the
future.
That's exactly the point, towelie. They waited until they knew
for sure that it was coming up their ***** and then it was too late
to do anything for the people who were dependant on public
transportation.
Yes, it costs money. You tell me. Was it worth the savings for
*not* doing it?
I used to live in Savannah. When Hurricane Fran was heading
towards the coast, it was making a beeline for Savannah. The
forecasters expected it to turn north but that there was a slight
chance that it would hit us. I wanted to wait it out, but my
then-spouse was scared and wanted to leave. So I begged my boss
for a few days off and headed to Augusta. The next morning I woke
up in my hotel room and turned on the TV, and they said that it
had made the turn and was going to impact South Carolina. She
wanted to go home but I had already paid for 2 nights, so I stayed
another day. Wasted 2 days and quite a bit of money. You don't
want to leave too early.
Yeah, that idea worked out real well for New Orleans this time,
didn't it?
There's a window of time to leave or not to leave. According to
your logic, why didn't they leave August 1, just to be safe? Why
didn't we evacuate the whole coast from Tampa to Corpus?
Sorry, towelie, but Stupid Logic is a Democrat specialty.
Sorry, Fred, but you prove that wrong each and every day.
And yet you don't seem to be able to argue logically, all you've got are
silly emotionalism and stupid exaggerations.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’ - Howard Dean
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