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Religions > Atheism |
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10 Apr 2006 04:00:18 PM |
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OT: Immigrate This |
If we grant legal status and amnesty to illegal aliens because there
are so many of them and they've been here awhile, then by the same
logic we should legalize drugs because so many people use them and
they've been around a long time. We should release all drug prisoners
too.
Sunyata
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| User: "AZ Nomad" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Immigrate This |
10 Apr 2006 04:12:30 PM |
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On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:00:18 -0400, <> wrote:
If we grant legal status and amnesty to illegal aliens because there
are so many of them and they've been here awhile, then by the same
logic we should legalize drugs because so many people use them and
they've been around a long time. We should release all drug prisoners
too.
yup. we should.
The war on drugs has produced far more misery than the negative behavior it
attempts to stop.
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| User: "towelie" |
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10 Apr 2006 06:43:47 PM |
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AZ Nomad wrote:
On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:00:18 -0400,
<> wrote:
If we grant legal status and amnesty to illegal aliens because there
are so many of them and they've been here awhile, then by the same
logic we should legalize drugs because so many people use them and
they've been around a long time. We should release all drug prisoners
too.
yup. we should.
The war on drugs has produced far more misery than the negative
behavior it
attempts to stop.
Two more dead because of the bogus war on drugs:
http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0406/317830.html
Their blood is on the government's hands.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Immigrate This |
11 Apr 2006 03:41:05 PM |
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On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:43:47 -0500, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
AZ Nomad wrote:
On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:00:18 -0400,
<> wrote:
If we grant legal status and amnesty to illegal aliens because there
are so many of them and they've been here awhile, then by the same
logic we should legalize drugs because so many people use them and
they've been around a long time. We should release all drug prisoners
too.
yup. we should.
The war on drugs has produced far more misery than the negative
behavior it
attempts to stop.
Two more dead because of the bogus war on drugs:
http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0406/317830.html
Their blood is on the government's hands.
To the Bush clique, blood is nothing as long as it isn't their's. For
people mean nothing to these bastards. We are mere bloody stepping
stones for them. Hope they catch Ebola.
Sunyata
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| User: "Santolina chamaecyparissus" |
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13 Apr 2006 10:42:14 PM |
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wrote:
On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:43:47 -0500, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
AZ Nomad wrote:
On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:00:18 -0400,
<> wrote:
If we grant legal status and amnesty to illegal aliens because there
are so many of them and they've been here awhile, then by the same
logic we should legalize drugs because so many people use them and
they've been around a long time. We should release all drug prisoners
too.
yup. we should.
The war on drugs has produced far more misery than the negative
behavior it
attempts to stop.
Two more dead because of the bogus war on drugs:
http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0406/317830.html
Their blood is on the government's hands.
To the Bush clique, blood is nothing as long as it isn't their's. For
people mean nothing to these bastards. We are mere bloody stepping
stones for them. Hope they catch Ebola.
Bad idea, ebola's contagious. How about ALS instead.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Immigrate This |
14 Apr 2006 04:02:24 PM |
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On 13 Apr 2006 20:42:14 -0700, "Santolina chamaecyparissus"
<santolina@juno.com> wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:43:47 -0500, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
AZ Nomad wrote:
On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:00:18 -0400,
<> wrote:
If we grant legal status and amnesty to illegal aliens because there
are so many of them and they've been here awhile, then by the same
logic we should legalize drugs because so many people use them and
they've been around a long time. We should release all drug prisoners
too.
yup. we should.
The war on drugs has produced far more misery than the negative
behavior it
attempts to stop.
Two more dead because of the bogus war on drugs:
http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0406/317830.html
Their blood is on the government's hands.
To the Bush clique, blood is nothing as long as it isn't their's. For
people mean nothing to these bastards. We are mere bloody stepping
stones for them. Hope they catch Ebola.
Bad idea, ebola's contagious. How about ALS instead.
yep.
Sunyata
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| User: "" |
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11 Apr 2006 03:37:53 PM |
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On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:12:30 GMT, AZ Nomad <aznomad@PmunOgeBOX.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:00:18 -0400, <> wrote:
If we grant legal status and amnesty to illegal aliens because there
are so many of them and they've been here awhile, then by the same
logic we should legalize drugs because so many people use them and
they've been around a long time. We should release all drug prisoners
too.
yup. we should.
The war on drugs has produced far more misery than the negative behavior it
attempts to stop.
And immigrants have killed more people than marijuana itself, at
least. And if drugs weren't illegal dealers wouldn't be shooting each
other and at the cops.
Sunyata
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| User: "AZ Nomad" |
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11 Apr 2006 04:35:47 PM |
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On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:37:53 -0400, <> wrote:
On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:12:30 GMT, AZ Nomad <aznomad@PmunOgeBOX.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:00:18 -0400, <> wrote:
If we grant legal status and amnesty to illegal aliens because there
are so many of them and they've been here awhile, then by the same
logic we should legalize drugs because so many people use them and
they've been around a long time. We should release all drug prisoners
too.
yup. we should.
The war on drugs has produced far more misery than the negative behavior it
attempts to stop.
And immigrants have killed more people than marijuana itself, at
least. And if drugs weren't illegal dealers wouldn't be shooting each
other and at the cops.
What's your point?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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10 Apr 2006 06:48:47 PM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, Sunyata in episode
<1lhl3258740rhpqdjsk9a4mc38uemd2g1f@4ax.com>...
If we grant legal status and amnesty to illegal aliens because there are
so many of them and they've been here awhile,
That's not the reasons for doing it.
then by the same logic we
should legalize drugs because so many people use them and they've been
around a long time. We should release all drug prisoners too.
Though they're not related, yes, we should decriminalize...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"Corps chief admits to 'design failure'"
(Took them long enough)
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J3EF62DEC
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "" |
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11 Apr 2006 03:50:35 PM |
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On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:48:47 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Previously, on alt.atheism, Sunyata in episode
<1lhl3258740rhpqdjsk9a4mc38uemd2g1f@4ax.com>...
If we grant legal status and amnesty to illegal aliens because there are
so many of them and they've been here awhile,
That's not the reasons for doing it.
Perhaps not the real reason, but the stated reason I swear I heard on
CBS newsradio 88.
then by the same logic we
should legalize drugs because so many people use them and they've been
around a long time. We should release all drug prisoners too.
Though they're not related, yes, we should decriminalize...
If I heard the above correctly, the stated reason does have the same
logic...... which seems the way Bush likes to do things: break the
laws enough and they'll go away. Well, sort of, anyhooo! :>)
Why not let them apply for and do the necessary things to attain
citizenship? Why kill a law just because we didn't enforce it well?
You know how much of the rest of the worlds population would be at our
shores if the current illegals get away with it?
Again, if we're gonna ditch a law because so many break it, legalize
drugs.
Sunyata
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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11 Apr 2006 08:16:39 PM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, Sunyata in episode
<g35o32tk16ve6vafs28fqkqblucsi0stj3@4ax.com>...
On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:48:47 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Previously, on alt.atheism, Sunyata in episode
<1lhl3258740rhpqdjsk9a4mc38uemd2g1f@4ax.com>...
If we grant legal status and amnesty to illegal aliens because there
are so many of them and they've been here awhile,
That's not the reasons for doing it.
Perhaps not the real reason, but the stated reason I swear I heard on CBS
newsradio 88.
Well, idiots do abound. <g>
then by the same logic we
should legalize drugs because so many people use them and they've been
around a long time. We should release all drug prisoners too.
Though they're not related, yes, we should decriminalize...
If I heard the above correctly, the stated reason does have the same
logic...... which seems the way Bush likes to do things: break the laws
enough and they'll go away. Well, sort of, anyhooo! :>)
Why not let them apply for and do the necessary things to attain
citizenship? Why kill a law just because we didn't enforce it well? You
know how much of the rest of the worlds population would be at our shores
if the current illegals get away with it?
Again, if we're gonna ditch a law because so many break it, legalize
drugs.
Well, then again, if you pass laws you can't enforce, it does erode your
credibility. Both situations are similar in that regard. We won't stop
drugs and we won't stop immigration across our Southern border (well, if
we destroy our economy, we'd stop the immigration, maybe that's what the
Republicans are up to?).
So in a way, yes, if you can't enforce a law, you should get rid of it.
Try posting a 30mph speed limit on our Interstate system and see what
happens. <G>
Anyway.
As I understand the history of the situation, we *had a worker visa
program and nobody paid any real attention to the cross border migration.
It was just *normal. That migration has been going on since there was a
border (and isn't it ironic that the newbies who've been here a few
centuries are telling the people who've been here 40,000 years to stop
migrating around their native continent... but I digress).
The hysteria is only about 40 years old. And it started when the Reefer
Madness set blamed the dirty brown people for the mary-jee-wana. It's like
we saw how the blacks were blamed for crack. Anybody but Buffy and Biff
right?
(Huh, I'm wrong, these issues *are related)
Fact is, we *need them. We need to put a worker visa system in with a
clear path to citizenship and shut the hell up about it. We can't run this
economy without them. And, no, they're not wrecking the country. They're
just being made scapegoats.
Such as the California shrieking about the schools. I moved back out there
about the time Prop "Blame the Darkies" was on the ballot. I just wanted
to slap people. You know what ruined the schools in California?
Proposition 13. The big property tax roll back and cap. Prior to Prop 13,
California had some of the best schools in the US. People cut their noses
off to spite their faces and strangled school funding. Then after they'd
wrecked their own schools without any help from Mexico, they--of
course--had to find somebody to pin the blame on.
Anybody but Buffy and Biff...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"Corps chief admits to 'design failure'"
(Took them long enough)
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J3EF62DEC
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Immigrate This |
12 Apr 2006 04:56:17 PM |
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On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:16:39 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Previously, on alt.atheism, Sunyata in episode
<g35o32tk16ve6vafs28fqkqblucsi0stj3@4ax.com>...
On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:48:47 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Previously, on alt.atheism, Sunyata in episode
<1lhl3258740rhpqdjsk9a4mc38uemd2g1f@4ax.com>...
If we grant legal status and amnesty to illegal aliens because there
are so many of them and they've been here awhile,
That's not the reasons for doing it.
Perhaps not the real reason, but the stated reason I swear I heard on CBS
newsradio 88.
Now that I think of it it was some pol stating it, not official
policy. But then again, Bush's official policy is about as consistent
as fruitcake on jello with waffles, sans frim-fram and chifafa on the
side.
Well, idiots do abound. <g>
Yes. Emphatically.
then by the same logic we
should legalize drugs because so many people use them and they've been
around a long time. We should release all drug prisoners too.
Though they're not related, yes, we should decriminalize...
If I heard the above correctly, the stated reason does have the same
logic...... which seems the way Bush likes to do things: break the laws
enough and they'll go away. Well, sort of, anyhooo! :>)
Why not let them apply for and do the necessary things to attain
citizenship? Why kill a law just because we didn't enforce it well? You
know how much of the rest of the worlds population would be at our shores
if the current illegals get away with it?
Again, if we're gonna ditch a law because so many break it, legalize
drugs.
Well, then again, if you pass laws you can't enforce, it does erode your
credibility. Both situations are similar in that regard. We won't stop
drugs and we won't stop immigration across our Southern border (well, if
we destroy our economy, we'd stop the immigration, maybe that's what the
Republicans are up to?).
So in a way, yes, if you can't enforce a law, you should get rid of it.
Try posting a 30mph speed limit on our Interstate system and see what
happens. <G>
Anyway.
As I understand the history of the situation, we *had a worker visa
program and nobody paid any real attention to the cross border migration.
It was just *normal. That migration has been going on since there was a
border (and isn't it ironic that the newbies who've been here a few
centuries are telling the people who've been here 40,000 years to stop
migrating around their native continent... but I digress).
I always thought citizenship was real important, cause for
deportation. Now the speaker connected to my car radio says it's a
civil infraction. I wasn't real good at history and social studies in
junior or high school.
The hysteria is only about 40 years old. And it started when the Reefer
Madness set blamed the dirty brown people for the mary-jee-wana. It's like
we saw how the blacks were blamed for crack. Anybody but Buffy and Biff
right?
Have you read Jack Herer's "The Emperor Wears No Clothes"? It goes on
to say that leading up to 1933 when pot was banned, Hearst helped the
other corporate barons ban it with yellow journalism. For Hearst, it
was hemp's superiority to his tree forests for manufacturing paper;
for the cotton industry, the decorticator made hemp a viable (and
better) alternative; to the chemical industry, growing hemp required
no (or little) of it's toxic fertilizer; and the oil industry felt
threatened, too because hemp oil can run engines as well as lubricate
them.
A large part of the yellow journalism blamed Chinese then Mexicans (I
could have that backward) for bringing over Marihuana (a made up name
intended to scare people) before they blamed Blacks.
Interestingly enough, the book points out that at first they said
marijuana made people violent. Then, with war upcoming, the new buzz
was that it made people peacefull and unwilling to fight when we
needed soldier type killing machines.
The main message I got was that the US government WILL lie blatantly
for the benefit of the fat cats, and the concept is not new.
For your convenience you can read some of it here:
http://www.jackherer.com/chapters.html
or consider buying it here:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1878125028/104-5238622-9862361?v=glance&n=283155
In the late '90's I bought three copies from Amazon and haven't been
hassled.
I may be persuaded to send you my copy, since I can't read anymore
without a magnifier which is a real pain in the *****.
(Huh, I'm wrong, these issues *are related)
Fact is, we *need them. We need to put a worker visa system in with a
clear path to citizenship and shut the hell up about it. We can't run this
economy without them. And, no, they're not wrecking the country. They're
just being made scapegoats.
We don't have enough jobless, homeless people that could do menial
work? There have been programs to get people off welfare and into
work, I think these programs should be vigorously revitalized.
There is a mechanism for immigrants, why not do it rather than
scurrying to slap together some feel-good sound-good ***** policy
hurriedly snuck in to get votes?
Such as the California shrieking about the schools. I moved back out there
about the time Prop "Blame the Darkies" was on the ballot. I just wanted
to slap people. You know what ruined the schools in California?
Proposition 13. The big property tax roll back and cap. Prior to Prop 13,
California had some of the best schools in the US. People cut their noses
off to spite their faces and strangled school funding. Then after they'd
wrecked their own schools without any help from Mexico, they--of
course--had to find somebody to pin the blame on.
Anybody but Buffy and Biff...
Sunyata
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Immigrate This |
12 Apr 2006 06:17:12 PM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, Sunyata in episode
<tprq3292vu3kfdhcla2st3l1ldc1e9r090@4ax.com>...
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:16:39 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
(snipping because one part rather jumped out at me)
Fact is, we *need them. We need to put a worker visa system in with a
clear path to citizenship and shut the hell up about it. We can't run
this economy without them. And, no, they're not wrecking the country.
They're just being made scapegoats.
We don't have enough jobless, homeless people that could do menial work?
I should hope not. Not to minimize the tragedy of the homeless but their
numbers are no where *near the size the immigrant labor pool we need. You
also have to keep in mind that the bulk of the, call it, "permanent"
homeless population are mentally ill and/or alcoholic/addicted.
I mean, the guy who has shouting matches with the lamp post on the corner
is not what you'd call "employable." Reality is, there's a
percentage--hopefully quite small--of our population for whom saying "get
a job" is a lot like telling someone born without legs to "just get and
run already."
There is, also, a largely transitory homeless population of people (most
often women with children) who have hit very hard times and are
temporarily homeless. Pushing them into a *below minimum wage job when the
problem was they couldn't make ends meet on the *minimum wage job is
something of a cruel joke don't you think?
There have been programs to get people off welfare and into work, I think
these programs should be vigorously revitalized.
Except those programs are usually a joke. We've been tossing people at
Wal-Mart to earn minimum wage *and pay for somebody to watch the kids *but
not have decent health care to speak of and *then wondering why things
haven't gone so well.
Remember, most immigrants are working age males who come to the country
alone, live in tiny, packed apartments and send money home (with an
exchange rate of 10 pesos to a dollar). It's when people become
established they usually bring their families. So they don't have the
child care expense and generally have low health care expenses (purely by
benefit of being young and if they weren't healthy to begin with, couldn't
make the trip across that border).
There is a mechanism for immigrants, why not do it rather than scurrying
to slap together some feel-good sound-good ***** policy hurriedly
snuck in to get votes?
There's a bureaucratic nightmare for immigrants that I guess you could
call a "mechanism." You *really should see what a fiasco it is. I've had
to deal with it before. It's easier to sneak hundreds of miles across a
dangerous border than deal with that fiasco.
You know just trying to get back into the US when you do a day trip to
Tiajuana is a multi-hour wait, worse than an LA freeway traffic jam, while
you're breathing in the exhaust of six lanes of idling cars?
(And one panel truck from Mexico I don't know *what was in his gasoline--I
suspect some kind of ethanol--but it literally almost made me puke my guts
out.)
There are a *large number of immigrants who don't *want to stay here to
begin with. They end up staying because it's such a nightmare crossing the
border. We'd reduce the number of people sticking around if we just made
it easy to come up temporarily to work.
But, fact is, we know what works. We have for decades. It's a matter of
political will and corporate greed. Because the *real reason we keep
immigrant labor "illegal" is that it provides US corporations with a
disposable labor force they can abuse with impunity.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"Corps chief admits to 'design failure'"
(Took them long enough)
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J3EF62DEC
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Immigrate This |
13 Apr 2006 04:40:15 PM |
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I know, let's go to their countries and demand that they change their
lifestyle to accommodate us.
Sunyata
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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13 Apr 2006 10:36:34 PM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, Sunyata in episode
<g7ht32p4trovce24s3gbq0bflqj1mqbrnq@4ax.com>...
I know, let's go to their countries and demand that they change their
lifestyle to accommodate us.
Um... huh?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"Corps chief admits to 'design failure'"
(Took them long enough)
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J3EF62DEC
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Immigrate This |
13 Apr 2006 04:37:30 PM |
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On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:17:12 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Previously, on alt.atheism, Sunyata in episode
<tprq3292vu3kfdhcla2st3l1ldc1e9r090@4ax.com>...
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:16:39 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
(snipping because one part rather jumped out at me)
Fact is, we *need them. We need to put a worker visa system in with a
clear path to citizenship and shut the hell up about it. We can't run
this economy without them. And, no, they're not wrecking the country.
They're just being made scapegoats.
We don't have enough jobless, homeless people that could do menial work?
I should hope not. Not to minimize the tragedy of the homeless but their
numbers are no where *near the size the immigrant labor pool we need. You
also have to keep in mind that the bulk of the, call it, "permanent"
homeless population are mentally ill and/or alcoholic/addicted.
Yes, the ill/addicted do distort my perception.
I mean, the guy who has shouting matches with the lamp post on the corner
is not what you'd call "employable." Reality is, there's a
percentage--hopefully quite small--of our population for whom saying "get
a job" is a lot like telling someone born without legs to "just get and
run already."
There is, also, a largely transitory homeless population of people (most
often women with children) who have hit very hard times and are
temporarily homeless. Pushing them into a *below minimum wage job when the
problem was they couldn't make ends meet on the *minimum wage job is
something of a cruel joke don't you think?
Wage issues are a sore point for me. I've worked the same job since
1970 - telecommunications. In 1970 I threw money away and still had
enough. As time went on, the corporations de-skilled jobs, centralized
forces, hired new workers at a lower tier wage than the rest, cut back
on health care and benefits, and exported key jobs, busting the union
all the way. Now the infrastructure is wobbly, things like critical
circuits and servers stay down longer and switches run unattended.
Supplies and material to work with are practically nonexistent. We get
new desktop PC's, but with fewer useful apps and new ones that ain't
worth *****. And they are still hammering away. Now on top of all that,
they want to import the third world to take our jobs away. That's the
rub, they aren't economizing, they are doing everything to get rid of
trained, experienced personnel and replace us with low paid de-skilled
workers. Ask any DSL user how he/she feels when it's down and they get
an anxious, eager overseas tech who has such a bad accent that you
cannot communicate (my bill is paid in clear English) and then you
find they don't know *****, they're just reading a CRT. I've spent
hours at a time, getting nowhere, until I get one of the last trained
experienced techies that's worth his wage, who fixes it in 15 minutes.
It's like they wan to put you off.
There have been programs to get people off welfare and into work, I think
these programs should be vigorously revitalized.
Except those programs are usually a joke. We've been tossing people at
Wal-Mart to earn minimum wage *and pay for somebody to watch the kids *but
not have decent health care to speak of and *then wondering why things
haven't gone so well.
Remember, most immigrants are working age males who come to the country
alone, live in tiny, packed apartments and send money home (with an
exchange rate of 10 pesos to a dollar). It's when people become
established they usually bring their families. So they don't have the
child care expense and generally have low health care expenses (purely by
benefit of being young and if they weren't healthy to begin with, couldn't
make the trip across that border).
Around here, they live about 10 adults to a house, keep abandoned
vehicles leaking gas and oil on the street where parking is already
scarce, and in my case, loiter *on *my *front *stairs and get pissed
when I politely ask them to leave, por favor. Lots of little ones
running amok to loud music. They block my and my neighbors driveways.
Forget calling the cops, they'll come once or twice, then the problem
gets worse. Maybe that's the root of most of the issue: no
enforcement. Before long, I may decide to live totally lawless and
maybe I'll fit in. And at work they do a shitty job, ruin equipment,
corrupt records and have more rights - they literally *cannot be
fired: it's cheaper to keep 'em and when the corporations sole
deciding factor is cost, we're doomed. I think this is ***** businesses
collapse, as they read off feel good stats to stockholders they really
have no idea there is so much weakness in the infrastructure. When
they realize it they won't have resources to fix it.
Looking at immediate cost alone they look real good. When all the
factors are considered over time, with the situation properly
analyzed, it's terrible. But you'll never get one of these corporate
barons to talk about anything but today's cost. They don't want actual
working truth. They're making billions now, stockholders are pleased
and when the whole house of cards collapses good ol'Bushie (or
someone) will reimburse them and jail a few innocent bystanders.
We should be bringing the people of the earth up to American standards
but instead we've sold out and the American worker is sinking to third
world standards while the wealthy make even more money while we pay
more taxes. *****, the American standard is about gone now, practically
wiped out, except for those skimming the money off their shell games.
America has changed. Once it was full of workers with a few shysters.
Now it's full of sisters with a few workers.
There is a mechanism for immigrants, why not do it rather than scurrying
to slap together some feel-good sound-good ***** policy hurriedly
snuck in to get votes?
There's a bureaucratic nightmare for immigrants that I guess you could
call a "mechanism." You *really should see what a fiasco it is. I've had
to deal with it before. It's easier to sneak hundreds of miles across a
dangerous border than deal with that fiasco.
I haven't dealt with it, but judging by how out government works, I'm
sure it really sucks. Maybe that's from years of neglect and band-aid
fixes instead of real refinement. Maybe the joke is right: put
Blockbuster Video in charge.
You know just trying to get back into the US when you do a day trip to
Tiajuana is a multi-hour wait, worse than an LA freeway traffic jam, while
you're breathing in the exhaust of six lanes of idling cars?
(And one panel truck from Mexico I don't know *what was in his gasoline--I
suspect some kind of ethanol--but it literally almost made me puke my guts
out.)
That could have been an experimental food-oil truck, maybe prep'd to
burn hemp oil. I saw a Mercedes in New Haven that could run off oil
discarded by Mc'd's and Bugger King. It could also run on hemp oil,
made in China shipped thru Canada.
There are a *large number of immigrants who don't *want to stay here to
begin with. They end up staying because it's such a nightmare crossing the
border. We'd reduce the number of people sticking around if we just made
it easy to come up temporarily to work.
But, fact is, we know what works. We have for decades. It's a matter of
political will and corporate greed. Because the *real reason we keep
immigrant labor "illegal" is that it provides US corporations with a
disposable labor force they can abuse with impunity.
Ah the crux of the biscuit. Right there. You, me and everyone else
might dream up a system that works only to have it trashed and
manipulated by our politicians and the corporate barons who own them.
Realizing that, I feel like just another blowhard naively thinking our
government still works for it's people, trying to push for something I
know won't happen.
Ah ***** it. I'm done.
:(
Sunyata
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