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"Gary Bohn" |
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31 Jan 2005 05:16:47 AM |
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OT: Iraq election is likely to start civil war. |
From the looks of things, only some religious groups were able to
actually get out and vote. The Kurds should end up with the bulk of the
power in the new legislature which should ***** off the Arab Sunni enough
to add friction and probably violence to the system.
I can't understand how anyone would think that a country made up of a
number of disparate fundamentalist religious populations could ever be
fully democratic. They will only vote for those candidates that
represent their own religion. That means that those with the most
candidates will take control. Without even representation all hell will
break loose.
There is no 'secular' in Iraq.
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apatriot #23, aa #2179, Grand Poobah, EAC Department of Oxygen
Deprivation
Responsible for brain damage everywhere!
Gary Bohn
Science rationally modifies theories to fit the observed evidence.
Creationists emotionally modify the evidence to fit the bible.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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31 Jan 2005 01:41:18 PM |
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Gary Bohn <garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote in
news:Xns95EEECDAD90A7GaryBohn@130.133.1.4:
From the looks of things, only some religious groups were able to
actually get out and vote. The Kurds should end up with the bulk of
the power in the new legislature which should ***** off the Arab Sunni
enough to add friction and probably violence to the system.
First mistake. The Shia have more people than the Kurds.
First-and-a-half. Kurds *are* Sunnis. They're not Arabs, which is what
causes the friction with the Arab version of the KKK, also known as "the
Insurgents" or "the Minutemen, the Revolution".
I can't understand how anyone would think that a country made up of a
number of disparate fundamentalist religious populations could ever be
fully democratic. They will only vote for those candidates that
represent their own religion.
Second mistake. Many of the political slates include members of all
three ethnic/religious groups.
That means that those with the most
candidates will take control. Without even representation all hell
will break loose.
Third mistake. "Uneven representation" is the *heart* of representative
government. The lefties weren't worried about giving the Afrikaaners
"even representation" in South Africa. So what's the big deal about
appeasing the Sunni Arab racists in Iraq?
There is no 'secular' in Iraq.
Just because you choose to ignore the secular Iraqi parties doesn't mean
they don't exist.
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Support bacteria! That's all the culture many people will ever have.
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| User: "pluther" |
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31 Jan 2005 02:19:10 PM |
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There is no 'secular' in Iraq.
Just because you choose to ignore the secular Iraqi parties doesn't
mean
they don't exist.
Actually, in general Iraq is far more secular than the United States
is. This has been changing ever since we started bombing them. (For
instance, you rarely if ever saw woman wearing burqas until the early
90s.) But for the most part, religion is not the center of life there
the way it is far too often over here.
Don't make the mistake that all Middle-Eastern nations are the same.
They are not. They are far more diverse than states in the U.S. are.
Iraq is far more different from Afghanistan than Oklahoma is from
California.
-Pat
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| User: "Gary Bohn" |
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31 Jan 2005 04:07:26 PM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:Xns95EF5869475D8fstone69@205.188.138.161:
Gary Bohn <garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote in
news:Xns95EEECDAD90A7GaryBohn@130.133.1.4:
From the looks of things, only some religious groups were able to
actually get out and vote. The Kurds should end up with the bulk of
the power in the new legislature which should ***** off the Arab Sunni
enough to add friction and probably violence to the system.
First mistake. The Shia have more people than the Kurds.
The number of members is not as important as the number that get out and
vote.
First-and-a-half. Kurds *are* Sunnis. They're not Arabs, which is what
causes the friction with the Arab version of the KKK, also known as
"the Insurgents" or "the Minutemen, the Revolution".
Notice my calling them 'Arab Sunni'
I can't understand how anyone would think that a country made up of a
number of disparate fundamentalist religious populations could ever
be fully democratic. They will only vote for those candidates that
represent their own religion.
Second mistake. Many of the political slates include members of all
three ethnic/religious groups.
Very good. However in an interview conducted by CBC of some of those
Kurds the message was very strong that the Kurds are well organised and
voting for Kurdish candidates. If those candidates are in multi-ethnic
parties then my worries may indeed be groundless.
That means that those with the most
candidates will take control. Without even representation all hell
will break loose.
Third mistake. "Uneven representation" is the *heart* of
representative government. The lefties weren't worried about giving
the Afrikaaners "even representation" in South Africa. So what's the
big deal about appeasing the Sunni Arab racists in Iraq?
I wish you could get past this 'righty' 'lefty' dichotomy you Americans
seem so attached to.
I don't remember mentioning anything about South Africa. As far as I
know religion isn't as large a factor there as in Iraq, so any analogy
you are proposing is false.
There is no 'secular' in Iraq.
Just because you choose to ignore the secular Iraqi parties doesn't
mean they don't exist.
I know very little about the politics of Iraq, my concerns were based on
an interview with a former Iraqi university professor who now runs a
polling company in Iraq. His conclusions, as I understand it indicate
that 'secular' is a word that can and does get people speaking it beaten
up, frequently severely. He stated that religion is very much *the*
motivating factor in choosing political leaders. I took from what he
said that the disagreements between religions was very stong and likely
to affect the stability of the area.
My concern is that if there is unequal representation in a climate like
that, violence is very likely to be the end result. It may be a mistake
to assume our political system will work elsewhere, at least in a
country where religion is as important as it is there.
If I am wrong then things will grdually calm down in Iraq. If I am
correct then the violence will escalate and include Iraqi fighting
Iraqi.
--
apatriot #23, aa #1779, Grand Poobah, EAC Department of Oxygen
Deprivation
Responsible for brain damage everywhere!
Gary Bohn
Science rationally modifies a theory to fit evidence, creationism
emotionally modifies evidence to fit the bible.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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31 Jan 2005 06:42:26 PM |
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Gary Bohn <garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote in
news:Xns95F0C4D7B19EGaryBohn@130.133.1.4:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:Xns95EF5869475D8fstone69@205.188.138.161:
Gary Bohn <garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote in
news:Xns95EEECDAD90A7GaryBohn@130.133.1.4:
From the looks of things, only some religious groups were able to
actually get out and vote. The Kurds should end up with the bulk of
the power in the new legislature which should ***** off the Arab
Sunni enough to add friction and probably violence to the system.
First mistake. The Shia have more people than the Kurds.
The number of members is not as important as the number that get out
and vote.
Turnout has been *very* high in both Kurdish and Shia areas.
First-and-a-half. Kurds *are* Sunnis. They're not Arabs, which is
what causes the friction with the Arab version of the KKK, also known
as "the Insurgents" or "the Minutemen, the Revolution".
Notice my calling them 'Arab Sunni'
OK, I'll notice, and I'll refer to that later.
I can't understand how anyone would think that a country made up of
a number of disparate fundamentalist religious populations could
ever be fully democratic. They will only vote for those candidates
that represent their own religion.
Second mistake. Many of the political slates include members of all
three ethnic/religious groups.
Very good. However in an interview conducted by CBC of some of those
Kurds the message was very strong that the Kurds are well organised
and voting for Kurdish candidates. If those candidates are in
multi-ethnic parties then my worries may indeed be groundless.
At most the Kurdish-only parties can get 20-25% of the seats in the new
government.
That means that those with the most
candidates will take control. Without even representation all hell
will break loose.
Third mistake. "Uneven representation" is the *heart* of
representative government. The lefties weren't worried about giving
the Afrikaaners "even representation" in South Africa. So what's the
big deal about appeasing the Sunni Arab racists in Iraq?
I wish you could get past this 'righty' 'lefty' dichotomy you
Americans seem so attached to.
I wish I could too. :-)
I don't remember mentioning anything about South Africa. As far as I
know religion isn't as large a factor there as in Iraq, so any analogy
you are proposing is false.
As you yourself pointed out, the Sunni Arabs are opposed to the Sunni
Kurds. That makes it an ethnic thing, not a religious thing. Hence the
South Africa analogy applies.
There is no 'secular' in Iraq.
Just because you choose to ignore the secular Iraqi parties doesn't
mean they don't exist.
I know very little about the politics of Iraq, my concerns were based
on an interview with a former Iraqi university professor who now runs
a polling company in Iraq. His conclusions, as I understand it
indicate that 'secular' is a word that can and does get people
speaking it beaten up, frequently severely. He stated that religion is
very much *the* motivating factor in choosing political leaders. I
took from what he said that the disagreements between religions was
very stong and likely to affect the stability of the area.
My concern is that if there is unequal representation in a climate
like that, violence is very likely to be the end result. It may be a
mistake to assume our political system will work elsewhere, at least
in a country where religion is as important as it is there.
The interviews that I have seen seem to indicate that all the "non-
insurgents" (90% plus of the population) are quite capable of mingling
between the ethnic and religious groups. It's the old Baath Saddamist
party that exacerbated the differences in order to divide and oppress.
If I am wrong then things will grdually calm down in Iraq. If I am
correct then the violence will escalate and include Iraqi fighting
Iraqi.
The violence has *been* Iraqi fighting Iraqi. The old Baathist party is
fighting to retain it's dominance over *all* the others (by terror, as
was their method under Saddam).
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Support bacteria! That's all the culture many people will ever have.
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| User: "Jez" |
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01 Feb 2005 12:40:36 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
Gary Bohn <garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote in
news:Xns95F0C4D7B19EGaryBohn@130.133.1.4:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:Xns95EF5869475D8fstone69@205.188.138.161:
Gary Bohn <garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote in
news:Xns95EEECDAD90A7GaryBohn@130.133.1.4:
From the looks of things, only some religious groups were able to
actually get out and vote. The Kurds should end up with the bulk of
the power in the new legislature which should ***** off the Arab
Sunni enough to add friction and probably violence to the system.
First mistake. The Shia have more people than the Kurds.
The number of members is not as important as the number that get out
and vote.
Turnout has been *very* high in both Kurdish and Shia areas.
Who knows ?
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=9325
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7921.htm
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7920.htm
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/01/31/1517201
And did those who voted just vote for food ?
http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/hard_news/archives/hard_news/000192.php
Are they getting a democracy when this ***** happens........
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/KHA501A.html
For the record: “U.S. declares Iraqis can not save their own seeds”
"As part of sweeping "economic restructuring" implemented by the Bush
Administration in Iraq, Iraqi farmers will no longer be permitted to
save their seeds, which include seeds the Iraqis themselves have
developed over hundreds of years. Instead, they will be forced to buy
seeds from US corporations. That is because in recent years,
transnational corporations have patented and now own many seed varieties
originated or developed by indigenous peoples. In a short time, Iraq
will be living under the new American credo:
Pay Monsanto, or starve ."
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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01 Feb 2005 02:41:48 PM |
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Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in
news:_IKdnRlnyrZY5WLcRVnyiw@pipex.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
Gary Bohn <garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote in
news:Xns95F0C4D7B19EGaryBohn@130.133.1.4:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:Xns95EF5869475D8fstone69@205.188.138.161:
Gary Bohn <garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote in
news:Xns95EEECDAD90A7GaryBohn@130.133.1.4:
From the looks of things, only some religious groups were able to
actually get out and vote. The Kurds should end up with the bulk of
the power in the new legislature which should ***** off the Arab
Sunni enough to add friction and probably violence to the system.
First mistake. The Shia have more people than the Kurds.
The number of members is not as important as the number that get out
and vote.
Turnout has been *very* high in both Kurdish and Shia areas.
Who knows ?
The Iraqis know.
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=9325
Italian Propaganda site. "Occupied Iraq" is a dead giveaway.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7921.htm
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7920.htm
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/01/31/1517201
More propaganda.
And did those who voted just vote for food ?
http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/hard_news/archives/hard_news/000192.php
And still more.
Are they getting a democracy when this ***** happens........
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/KHA501A.html
For the record: “U.S. declares Iraqis can not save their own seeds”
"As part of sweeping "economic restructuring" implemented by the Bush
Administration in Iraq, Iraqi farmers will no longer be permitted to
save their seeds, which include seeds the Iraqis themselves have
developed over hundreds of years. Instead, they will be forced to buy
seeds from US corporations. That is because in recent years,
transnational corporations have patented and now own many seed
varieties originated or developed by indigenous peoples. In a short
time, Iraq will be living under the new American credo:
Pay Monsanto, or starve ."
Completely unsubstantiated. How exactly is this supposed to be enforced?
What a load of *****.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Where am I to go, now that I've gone too far?
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| User: "Jez" |
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01 Feb 2005 06:33:57 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in
news:_IKdnRlnyrZY5WLcRVnyiw@pipex.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
Gary Bohn <garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote in
news:Xns95F0C4D7B19EGaryBohn@130.133.1.4:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:Xns95EF5869475D8fstone69@205.188.138.161:
Gary Bohn <garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote in
news:Xns95EEECDAD90A7GaryBohn@130.133.1.4:
From the looks of things, only some religious groups were able to
actually get out and vote. The Kurds should end up with the bulk of
the power in the new legislature which should ***** off the Arab
Sunni enough to add friction and probably violence to the system.
First mistake. The Shia have more people than the Kurds.
The number of members is not as important as the number that get out
and vote.
Turnout has been *very* high in both Kurdish and Shia areas.
Who knows ?
The Iraqis know.
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=9325
Italian Propaganda site.
Oh the irony !
"Occupied Iraq" is a dead giveaway.
Illegally occupied would be more accurate, yes.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7921.htm
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7920.htm
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/01/31/1517201
More propaganda.
And did those who voted just vote for food ?
http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/hard_news/archives/hard_news/000192.php
And still more.
Are they getting a democracy when this ***** happens........
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/KHA501A.html
For the record: “U.S. declares Iraqis can not save their own seeds”
"As part of sweeping "economic restructuring" implemented by the Bush
Administration in Iraq, Iraqi farmers will no longer be permitted to
save their seeds, which include seeds the Iraqis themselves have
developed over hundreds of years. Instead, they will be forced to buy
seeds from US corporations. That is because in recent years,
transnational corporations have patented and now own many seed
varieties originated or developed by indigenous peoples. In a short
time, Iraq will be living under the new American credo:
Pay Monsanto, or starve ."
Completely unsubstantiated.
Do a google.
How exactly is this supposed to be enforced?
Who knows, but it shows you the thinking of the US in regard to Iraq
does it not
What a load of *****.
Well, your full of it, so I guess you can recognize it.
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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01 Feb 2005 09:08:19 PM |
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Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in
news:ndydncqsGJcLVmLcRVnyiA@pipex.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in
news:_IKdnRlnyrZY5WLcRVnyiw@pipex.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
Gary Bohn <garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote in
news:Xns95F0C4D7B19EGaryBohn@130.133.1.4:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:Xns95EF5869475D8fstone69@205.188.138.161:
Gary Bohn <garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote in
news:Xns95EEECDAD90A7GaryBohn@130.133.1.4:
From the looks of things, only some religious groups were able to
actually get out and vote. The Kurds should end up with the bulk
of
the power in the new legislature which should ***** off the Arab
Sunni enough to add friction and probably violence to the system.
First mistake. The Shia have more people than the Kurds.
The number of members is not as important as the number that get
out
and vote.
Turnout has been *very* high in both Kurdish and Shia areas.
Who knows ?
The Iraqis know.
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=9325
Italian Propaganda site.
Oh the irony !
"Occupied Iraq" is a dead giveaway.
Illegally occupied would be more accurate, yes.
We're not occupiers, we're liberators.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7921.htm
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7920.htm
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/01/31/1517201
More propaganda.
And did those who voted just vote for food ?
http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/hard_news/archives/hard_news/000192.php
And still more.
Are they getting a democracy when this ***** happens........
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/KHA501A.html
For the record: “U.S. declares Iraqis can not save their own seeds”
"As part of sweeping "economic restructuring" implemented by the Bush
Administration in Iraq, Iraqi farmers will no longer be permitted to
save their seeds, which include seeds the Iraqis themselves have
developed over hundreds of years. Instead, they will be forced to buy
seeds from US corporations. That is because in recent years,
transnational corporations have patented and now own many seed
varieties originated or developed by indigenous peoples. In a short
time, Iraq will be living under the new American credo:
Pay Monsanto, or starve ."
Completely unsubstantiated.
Do a google.
Still unsubstatiated.
How exactly is this supposed to be enforced?
Who knows, but it shows you the thinking of the US in regard to Iraq
does it not
No, it does not.
What a load of *****.
Well, your full of it, so I guess you can recognize it.
Look away from that mirror, Jez.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Where am I to go, now that I've gone too far?
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| User: "Jez" |
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02 Feb 2005 05:29:21 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in
news:ndydncqsGJcLVmLcRVnyiA@pipex.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
Snippage.
Are they getting a democracy when this ***** happens........
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/KHA501A.html
For the record: “U.S. declares Iraqis can not save their own seeds”
"As part of sweeping "economic restructuring" implemented by the Bush
Administration in Iraq, Iraqi farmers will no longer be permitted to
save their seeds, which include seeds the Iraqis themselves have
developed over hundreds of years. Instead, they will be forced to buy
seeds from US corporations. That is because in recent years,
transnational corporations have patented and now own many seed
varieties originated or developed by indigenous peoples. In a short
time, Iraq will be living under the new American credo:
Pay Monsanto, or starve ."
Completely unsubstantiated.
Do a google.
Still unsubstatiated.
So you deny Bremers order 81 exists, is that what your saying ?
How exactly is this supposed to be enforced?
Who knows, but it shows you the thinking of the US in regard to Iraq
does it not
No, it does not.
Of course it does !
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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02 Feb 2005 07:57:52 PM |
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Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in
news:CNGdnfFitLBskJzfRVnygA@pipex.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in
news:ndydncqsGJcLVmLcRVnyiA@pipex.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
Snippage.
Are they getting a democracy when this ***** happens........
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/KHA501A.html
For the record: “U.S. declares Iraqis can not save their own seeds”
"As part of sweeping "economic restructuring" implemented by the
Bush Administration in Iraq, Iraqi farmers will no longer be
permitted to save their seeds, which include seeds the Iraqis
themselves have developed over hundreds of years. Instead, they
will be forced to buy seeds from US corporations. That is because
in recent years, transnational corporations have patented and now
own many seed varieties originated or developed by indigenous
peoples. In a short time, Iraq will be living under the new
American credo: Pay Monsanto, or starve ."
Completely unsubstantiated.
Do a google.
Still unsubstatiated.
So you deny Bremers order 81 exists, is that what your saying ?
I doubt that it has any force.
How exactly is this supposed to be enforced?
Who knows, but it shows you the thinking of the US in regard to Iraq
does it not
No, it does not.
Of course it does !
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Where am I to go, now that I've gone too far?
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| User: "Jez" |
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04 Feb 2005 03:12:10 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in
news:CNGdnfFitLBskJzfRVnygA@pipex.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in
news:ndydncqsGJcLVmLcRVnyiA@pipex.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
Snippage.
Are they getting a democracy when this ***** happens........
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/KHA501A.html
For the record: “U.S. declares Iraqis can not save their own seeds”
"As part of sweeping "economic restructuring" implemented by the
Bush Administration in Iraq, Iraqi farmers will no longer be
permitted to save their seeds, which include seeds the Iraqis
themselves have developed over hundreds of years. Instead, they
will be forced to buy seeds from US corporations. That is because
in recent years, transnational corporations have patented and now
own many seed varieties originated or developed by indigenous
peoples. In a short time, Iraq will be living under the new
American credo: Pay Monsanto, or starve ."
Completely unsubstantiated.
Do a google.
Still unsubstatiated.
So you deny Bremers order 81 exists, is that what your saying ?
I doubt that it has any force.
Ho hum.
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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02 Feb 2005 02:37:29 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in
news:_IKdnRlnyrZY5WLcRVnyiw@pipex.net:
< snip >
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=9325
Italian Propaganda site. "Occupied Iraq" is a dead giveaway.
The White House has been calling it an occupation, too.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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03 Feb 2005 02:04:20 AM |
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On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 08:37:29 -0600, Tukla Ratte
<tukla_ratte@tukla.net> said in alt.atheism:
Fred Stone wrote:
Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in
news:_IKdnRlnyrZY5WLcRVnyiw@pipex.net:
< snip >
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=9325
Italian Propaganda site. "Occupied Iraq" is a dead giveaway.
The White House has been calling it an occupation, too.
Fred'll tell you that it's just the "librool media" who are saying
that.
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shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is." Not merely tolerant of it,
but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no religion is great
enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code."
- Mark Twain, a Biography
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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03 Feb 2005 06:56:07 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 08:37:29 -0600, Tukla Ratte
<tukla_ratte@tukla.net> said in alt.atheism:
Fred Stone wrote:
Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in
news:_IKdnRlnyrZY5WLcRVnyiw@pipex.net:
< snip >
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=9325
Italian Propaganda site. "Occupied Iraq" is a dead giveaway.
The White House has been calling it an occupation, too.
Fred'll tell you that it's just the "librool media" who are saying
that.
They're dubbing words into live broadcasts?
Yeah, Fred'll buy that.
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Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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03 Feb 2005 10:37:32 PM |
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On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 12:56:07 -0600, Tukla Ratte
<tukla_ratte@tukla.net> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 08:37:29 -0600, Tukla Ratte
<tukla_ratte@tukla.net> said in alt.atheism:
Fred Stone wrote:
Italian Propaganda site. "Occupied Iraq" is a dead giveaway.
The White House has been calling it an occupation, too.
Fred'll tell you that it's just the "librool media" who are saying
that.
They're dubbing words into live broadcasts?
Seven second tape delay. REALLY good editor.
Yeah, Fred'll buy that.
Fred'll buy anything as long as Bush says it.
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faculties to prove the statement 'dogshit is not peanut butter' if we
gave you a jar of each and a box of crackers" - John Hattan to Tichy
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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31 Jan 2005 08:59:21 PM |
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Gary Bohn wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:Xns95EF5869475D8fstone69@205.188.138.161:
Gary Bohn <garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote in
news:Xns95EEECDAD90A7GaryBohn@130.133.1.4:
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That means that those with the most
candidates will take control. Without even representation all hell
will break loose.
Third mistake. "Uneven representation" is the *heart* of
representative government. The lefties weren't worried about giving
the Afrikaaners "even representation" in South Africa. So what's the
big deal about appeasing the Sunni Arab racists in Iraq?
I wish you could get past this 'righty' 'lefty' dichotomy you Americans
seem so attached to.
I don't remember mentioning anything about South Africa. As far as I
know religion isn't as large a factor there as in Iraq, so any analogy
you are proposing is false.
Not to mention the U.S. never invaded South Africa, toppled its
government, and then had utter control over how the elections would be
managed.
< snip >
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Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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31 Jan 2005 10:51:54 PM |
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Tukla Ratte <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote in
news:367khaF4s91lqU1@individual.net:
Gary Bohn wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:Xns95EF5869475D8fstone69@205.188.138.161:
Gary Bohn <garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote in
news:Xns95EEECDAD90A7GaryBohn@130.133.1.4:
< snip >
That means that those with the most
candidates will take control. Without even representation all hell
will break loose.
Third mistake. "Uneven representation" is the *heart* of
representative government. The lefties weren't worried about giving
the Afrikaaners "even representation" in South Africa. So what's the
big deal about appeasing the Sunni Arab racists in Iraq?
I wish you could get past this 'righty' 'lefty' dichotomy you
Americans seem so attached to.
I don't remember mentioning anything about South Africa. As far as I
know religion isn't as large a factor there as in Iraq, so any
analogy you are proposing is false.
Not to mention the U.S. never invaded South Africa, toppled its
government, and then had utter control over how the elections would be
managed.
Which has what, exactly, to do with the subject?
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Where am I to go, now that I've gone too far?
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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01 Feb 2005 07:16:39 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
Tukla Ratte <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote in
news:367khaF4s91lqU1@individual.net:
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Not to mention the U.S. never invaded South Africa, toppled its
government, and then had utter control over how the elections would be
managed.
Which has what, exactly, to do with the subject?
Why are you asking me? *You're* the one who brought up South Africa!
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Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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01 Feb 2005 09:09:09 PM |
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Tukla Ratte <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote in
news:36a2spF4tam72U1@individual.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
Tukla Ratte <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote in
news:367khaF4s91lqU1@individual.net:
< snip >
Not to mention the U.S. never invaded South Africa, toppled its
government, and then had utter control over how the elections would
be managed.
Which has what, exactly, to do with the subject?
Why are you asking me? *You're* the one who brought up South Africa!
Yes, in the context of "equal representation" for minority parties.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Where am I to go, now that I've gone too far?
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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02 Feb 2005 02:48:35 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
Tukla Ratte <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote in
news:36a2spF4tam72U1@individual.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
Tukla Ratte <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote in
news:367khaF4s91lqU1@individual.net:
< snip >
Not to mention the U.S. never invaded South Africa, toppled its
government, and then had utter control over how the elections would
be managed.
Which has what, exactly, to do with the subject?
Why are you asking me? *You're* the one who brought up South Africa!
Yes, in the context of "equal representation" for minority parties.
I still don't see what that has to do with the elections in Iraq.
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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02 Feb 2005 03:05:04 PM |
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Tukla Ratte <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote in news:36c7i4F50h5erU1
@individual.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
Tukla Ratte <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote in
news:36a2spF4tam72U1@individual.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
Tukla Ratte <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote in
news:367khaF4s91lqU1@individual.net:
< snip >
Not to mention the U.S. never invaded South Africa, toppled its
government, and then had utter control over how the elections would
be managed.
Which has what, exactly, to do with the subject?
Why are you asking me? *You're* the one who brought up South Africa!
Yes, in the context of "equal representation" for minority parties.
I still don't see what that has to do with the elections in Iraq.
They were complaining about the "uneven representation" of the Sunnis.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Where am I to go, now that I've gone too far?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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01 Feb 2005 03:16:30 AM |
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In our last episode <Xns95F0C4D7B19EGaryBohn@130.133.1.4>, Gary Bohn
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
Very good. However in an interview conducted by CBC of some of those Kurds
the message was very strong that the Kurds are well organised and voting
for Kurdish candidates.
Only to find out their slate included Baathists...
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
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31 Jan 2005 06:14:59 AM |
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The Iraqi civil war is a certainty. Humpty Dumpty is broken for good.
Regardless, our God of Freedom is going to be immortalized in Baghdad -
to replace all those Saddam statues we pulled down:
New York Post
January 30, 2005
Pro-U.S. Mayor Has Target On His Back
By Josh Williams
BAGHDAD - The man replacing the mayor of Baghdad - who was assassinated
for his pro-American loyalties - says he is not worried about his ties
to Washington.
In fact, he'd like to erect a monument to honor President Bush in the
middle of the city.
"We will build a statue for Bush," said Ali Fadel, the former
provincial council chairman. "He is the symbol of freedom."
Fadel's predecessor, Ali al-Haidari, was gunned down Jan. 4 when
militants opened fire on his armor-covered BMW as it traveled with a
three-car convoy. ...
As for his own protection, the new mayor will be traveling in a new
$150,000 SUV complete with bulletproof windows and flat-resistant
tires.
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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31 Jan 2005 08:54:47 PM |
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MrPepper11 wrote:
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"We will build a statue for Bush," said Ali Fadel, the former
provincial council chairman.
That'll last.
"He is the symbol of freedom."
ROTFLMAO!!
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Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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