Religions > Atheism > OT: It takes more than tea and biscuits to overcome indifference and fear
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27 Feb 2006 03:15:23 PM |
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OT: It takes more than tea and biscuits to overcome indifference and fear |
It takes more than tea and biscuits to overcome indifference and fear
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1718626,00.html
For many Muslims, the events of this month have exposed the
inadequacies of Britain's smug multiculturalism
Madeleine Bunting
Monday February 27, 2006
The Guardian
February 2006 has proved a mensis horribilis for British Muslims. Cast
your mind back over the past few weeks and virtually all the major news
stories were guaranteed to provoke Muslim outrage: from the publication
of the Danish cartoons across Europe to the leaked full report of Abu
Ghraib abuse, the video of British troops abusing Iraqi teenagers, the
glorification-of-terrorism legislation, and the UN report on
Guant=E1namo Bay. The uncanny coincidence of three trials involving free
speech - Nick Griffin, David Irving and Abu Hamza - has only thrust
into sharper contrast for British Muslims the double standards of which
they believe they are so often victims.
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: OT: It takes more than tea and biscuits to overcome indifference and fear |
27 Feb 2006 04:39:21 PM |
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In article <1141074923.481421.170070@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,
maff91@yahoo.com says...
For many Muslims, the events of this month have exposed the
inadequacies of Britain's smug multiculturalism
Being tolerance of people's various cultural perspectives is one thing.
Rolling over and playing dead when muslim theocrats come into your
country and threaten you with death for exercising your constitutional
rights is quite another thing. The muslim right to practice their own
religion is not a right to dictate how I behave as well, despite their
shrill assertions to the contrary.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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| Title: Re: OT: It takes more than tea and biscuits to overcome indifference and fear |
27 Feb 2006 03:26:21 PM |
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On 27 Feb 2006 13:15:23 -0800, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote:
It takes more than tea and biscuits to overcome indifference and fear
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1718626,00.html
For many Muslims, the events of this month have exposed the
inadequacies of Britain's smug multiculturalism
Madeleine Bunting
Monday February 27, 2006
The Guardian
February 2006 has proved a mensis horribilis for British Muslims. Cast
your mind back over the past few weeks and virtually all the major news
stories were guaranteed to provoke Muslim outrage: from the publication
of the Danish cartoons across Europe to the leaked full report of Abu
Ghraib abuse, the video of British troops abusing Iraqi teenagers, the
glorification-of-terrorism legislation, and the UN report on
Guantánamo Bay. The uncanny coincidence of three trials involving free
speech - Nick Griffin, David Irving and Abu Hamza - has only thrust
into sharper contrast for British Muslims the double standards of which
they believe they are so often victims.
British muslims queued on TV to tell us how happy they were
Hamza had been found guilty and applauded the sentence. The
men who lost control of the mosque to Hamza had it handed back
to them by the Police once they had removed the stash of weapons
and are delighted their congregation (whatever they call them) is
returning so that was a plus not a negative for them
It has been announced that Griffin will be retried. How does
Irvings conviction hurt them?
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Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
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| User: "M Dunne" |
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| Title: Re: OT: It takes more than tea and biscuits to overcome indifference and fear |
27 Feb 2006 04:59:38 PM |
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"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message news:
It has been announced that Griffin will be retried. How does
Irvings conviction hurt them?
I think the writer has in mind the fact that many Muslims in the West feel
that any individual or organisation can slander, vilify, insult or offend
them *with complete impunity* -- while the Irving case (and now the
Livingstone case too...) demonstrates that 'free speech' ends *at the point
where the Jewish lobby feels offended*...
M.D.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: OT: It takes more than tea and biscuits to overcome indifference and fear |
27 Feb 2006 07:31:51 PM |
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"M Dunne" <MarcusDunn@home.com> wrote in
news:uvLMf.49664$Dn4.14165@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net:
"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message news:
It has been announced that Griffin will be retried. How does
Irvings conviction hurt them?
I think the writer has in mind the fact that many Muslims in the West
feel that any individual or organisation can slander, vilify, insult
or offend them *with complete impunity* -- while the Irving case (and
now the Livingstone case too...) demonstrates that 'free speech' ends
*at the point where the Jewish lobby feels offended*...
Muslims will just have to get over that feeling. Holocaust denial goes
beyond mere offense to the "Jewish lobby".
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Considering 28 of the 31 Democrats have received Abramoff-affiliated funds
themselves, it appears their hypocrisy has exceeded even their
partisanship," - Tracey Schmitt, Republican National Committee.
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| User: "808" |
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| Title: Re: OT: It takes more than tea and biscuits to overcome indifference and fear |
27 Feb 2006 10:54:32 PM |
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 01:31:51 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
"M Dunne" <MarcusDunn@home.com> wrote in
news:uvLMf.49664$Dn4.14165@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net:
"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message news:
It has been announced that Griffin will be retried. How does
Irvings conviction hurt them?
I think the writer has in mind the fact that many Muslims in the West
feel that any individual or organisation can slander, vilify, insult
or offend them *with complete impunity* -- while the Irving case (and
now the Livingstone case too...) demonstrates that 'free speech' ends
*at the point where the Jewish lobby feels offended*...
Muslims will just have to get over that feeling. Holocaust denial goes
beyond mere offense to the "Jewish lobby".
It still shouldn't be a crime.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: OT: It takes more than tea and biscuits to overcome indifference and fear |
28 Feb 2006 07:05:28 AM |
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808 <noname@nospam.com> wrote in
news:1pl702p3qk1ejul35of1pef42phukjk3a3@4ax.com:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 01:31:51 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
"M Dunne" <MarcusDunn@home.com> wrote in
news:uvLMf.49664$Dn4.14165@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net:
"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:
It has been announced that Griffin will be retried. How does
Irvings conviction hurt them?
I think the writer has in mind the fact that many Muslims in the
West feel that any individual or organisation can slander, vilify,
insult or offend them *with complete impunity* -- while the Irving
case (and now the Livingstone case too...) demonstrates that 'free
speech' ends *at the point where the Jewish lobby feels offended*...
Muslims will just have to get over that feeling. Holocaust denial goes
beyond mere offense to the "Jewish lobby".
It still shouldn't be a crime.
Austria has particular historical reasons to disagree with you on that.
Their history of anti-semitism makes a very good case for criminalizing
that particularly odious category of "opinion".
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Considering 28 of the 31 Democrats have received Abramoff-affiliated
funds themselves, it appears their hypocrisy has exceeded even their
partisanship," - Tracey Schmitt, Republican National Committee.
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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| Title: Re: OT: It takes more than tea and biscuits to overcome indifference and fear |
28 Feb 2006 04:28:24 AM |
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 04:54:32 GMT, 808 <noname@nospam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 01:31:51 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
"M Dunne" <MarcusDunn@home.com> wrote in
news:uvLMf.49664$Dn4.14165@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net:
"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message news:
It has been announced that Griffin will be retried. How does
Irvings conviction hurt them?
I think the writer has in mind the fact that many Muslims in the West
feel that any individual or organisation can slander, vilify, insult
or offend them *with complete impunity* -- while the Irving case (and
now the Livingstone case too...) demonstrates that 'free speech' ends
*at the point where the Jewish lobby feels offended*...
Muslims will just have to get over that feeling. Holocaust denial goes
beyond mere offense to the "Jewish lobby".
It still shouldn't be a crime.
This is why they have juries. They are our bulwark against tyranny.
If they think the law under which a person is charged is tyrannical
then it is their duty to refuse to convict under it.
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Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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28 Feb 2006 04:23:39 AM |
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:59:38 GMT, "M Dunne" <MarcusDunn@home.com>
wrote:
"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message news:
It has been announced that Griffin will be retried. How does
Irvings conviction hurt them?
I think the writer has in mind the fact that many Muslims in the West feel
that any individual or organisation can slander, vilify, insult or offend
them *with complete impunity* -- while the Irving case (and now the
Livingstone case too...) demonstrates that 'free speech' ends *at the point
where the Jewish lobby feels offended*...
There is some merit in this.
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
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