Religions > Atheism > OT: It will take a different kind of Blair to stay in power
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15 Jun 2004 05:01:56 AM |
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OT: It will take a different kind of Blair to stay in power |
It will take a different kind of Blair to stay in power
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1238852,00.html
The voters' message is clear: focus on domestic issues and tell us the
truth
Martin Kettle
Tuesday June 15, 2004
The Guardian
Conventional logic rarely obliges in politics. It is little more than
a month since credible reports that Tony Blair would quit if he
thought he had become a liability to Labour's chances. Last week,
Labour's vote plumbed the depths in the local and European elections.
A general election is apparently less than 11 months away. On the
basis of last week's voting, dozens of Labour MPs face defeat. Yet the
message from Blair to his party is not that he might have become a
liability, but to hold their nerve. Remarkably, the mood among most
Labour MPs appears overwhelmingly receptive, even after their party's
electoral kicking.
Martin Kettle
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=18510aff.0402170349.20245649%40posting.google.com
Blair
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=18510aff.0403160357.2205fd3a%40posting.google.com
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: OT: It will take a different kind of Blair to stay in power |
15 Jun 2004 07:42:11 AM |
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On 15 Jun 2004 03:01:56 -0700, (maff) wrote:
It will take a different kind of Blair to stay in power
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1238852,00.html
The voters' message is clear: focus on domestic issues and tell us the
truth
Martin Kettle
Tuesday June 15, 2004
The Guardian
Conventional logic rarely obliges in politics. It is little more than
a month since credible reports that Tony Blair would quit if he
thought he had become a liability to Labour's chances. Last week,
Labour's vote plumbed the depths in the local and European elections.
A general election is apparently less than 11 months away. On the
basis of last week's voting, dozens of Labour MPs face defeat. Yet the
message from Blair to his party is not that he might have become a
liability, but to hold their nerve. Remarkably, the mood among most
Labour MPs appears overwhelmingly receptive, even after their party's
electoral kicking.
They can't admit they were wrong.
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| User: "Scot McDermid" |
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| Title: Re: OT: It will take a different kind of Blair to stay in power |
15 Jun 2004 11:27:58 AM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:akrtc0d6q0k59691a9988r9balbsn06j6c@4ax.com...
On 15 Jun 2004 03:01:56 -0700, (maff) wrote:
It will take a different kind of Blair to stay in power
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1238852,00.html
The voters' message is clear: focus on domestic issues and tell us the
truth
Martin Kettle
Tuesday June 15, 2004
The Guardian
Conventional logic rarely obliges in politics. It is little more than
a month since credible reports that Tony Blair would quit if he
thought he had become a liability to Labour's chances. Last week,
Labour's vote plumbed the depths in the local and European elections.
A general election is apparently less than 11 months away. On the
basis of last week's voting, dozens of Labour MPs face defeat. Yet the
message from Blair to his party is not that he might have become a
liability, but to hold their nerve. Remarkably, the mood among most
Labour MPs appears overwhelmingly receptive, even after their party's
electoral kicking.
They can't admit they were wrong.
Can you admit it when you are wrong?
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: OT: It will take a different kind of Blair to stay in power |
16 Jun 2004 02:56:48 AM |
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"Scot McDermid" <scotmc@optNOonSPAMline.net> wrote in message news:<isFzc.1154$0b.1373936@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:akrtc0d6q0k59691a9988r9balbsn06j6c@4ax.com...
On 15 Jun 2004 03:01:56 -0700, (maff) wrote:
It will take a different kind of Blair to stay in power
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1238852,00.html
The voters' message is clear: focus on domestic issues and tell us the
truth
Martin Kettle
Tuesday June 15, 2004
The Guardian
Conventional logic rarely obliges in politics. It is little more than
a month since credible reports that Tony Blair would quit if he
thought he had become a liability to Labour's chances. Last week,
Labour's vote plumbed the depths in the local and European elections.
A general election is apparently less than 11 months away. On the
basis of last week's voting, dozens of Labour MPs face defeat. Yet the
message from Blair to his party is not that he might have become a
liability, but to hold their nerve. Remarkably, the mood among most
Labour MPs appears overwhelmingly receptive, even after their party's
electoral kicking.
They can't admit they were wrong.
Can you admit it when you are wrong?
Why not let International Criminal Court decide?
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: OT: It will take a different kind of Blair to stay in power |
16 Jun 2004 06:21:36 AM |
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ffOn 16 Jun 2004 00:56:48 -0700, (maff) wrote:
"Scot McDermid" <scotmc@optNOonSPAMline.net> wrote in message news:<isFzc.1154$0b.1373936@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:akrtc0d6q0k59691a9988r9balbsn06j6c@4ax.com...
On 15 Jun 2004 03:01:56 -0700, (maff) wrote:
It will take a different kind of Blair to stay in power
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1238852,00.html
The voters' message is clear: focus on domestic issues and tell us the
truth
Martin Kettle
Tuesday June 15, 2004
The Guardian
Conventional logic rarely obliges in politics. It is little more than
a month since credible reports that Tony Blair would quit if he
thought he had become a liability to Labour's chances. Last week,
Labour's vote plumbed the depths in the local and European elections.
A general election is apparently less than 11 months away. On the
basis of last week's voting, dozens of Labour MPs face defeat. Yet the
message from Blair to his party is not that he might have become a
liability, but to hold their nerve. Remarkably, the mood among most
Labour MPs appears overwhelmingly receptive, even after their party's
electoral kicking.
They can't admit they were wrong.
Can you admit it when you are wrong?
Yet another pot-shot that is nothing to do with the thread, from the
stupid, simplistic trolling liar who pretends that people can't have
the position they do and invents ones they don't.
I have nothing to admit, liar.
Why not let International Criminal Court decide?
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| User: "Scot McDermid" |
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| Title: Christopher Lee. Let's try again to finish this. |
16 Jun 2004 08:26:29 AM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
They can't admit they were wrong.
Can you admit it when you are wrong?
Yet another pot-shot that is nothing to do with the thread, from the
stupid, simplistic trolling liar who pretends that people can't have
the position they do and invents ones they don't.
You are right: My comment had nothing to do with the thread.
It was specifically directed to your statement "They can't admit
they were wrong."
I thought that in the "Sounds like subjectivism" thread I had finally
convinced you that the words you have been using have not been
accurately representing your actual position.
So... what is your actual position when you say things like
"theistic premises do not apply to me. I'm outside the domain of theism."
The answer seems to be that when you say "do not apply to..."
you really mean "not applied by ..."
*applied by* = "Because of their premises and beliefs, theists
see everything, even atheists, a certain way.
But those same premises are not APPLIED BY
atheists."
"apply to* = "There are a separate domains of reality. Certain
things may be true within certain domains but those
things DO NOT APPLY TO other domains."
This simple difference between *applied by* and *apply to* is enough
to cause the difference between what you may actually mean and
what your words have meant to me.
I wasn't arguing against your actual position per se (which in my opinion
you still haven't adequately explained) but against the *literal* and
*precise* interpretation of the words you have used.
Now... you are probably going to call me a liar again. I submit that
I'm not a liar. I honestly believe I have been interpreting your words
correctly for the past five years. Jeff Young and Nico D. both agree
with me that your words mean what I have said they mean. So it
seems to me that you have been calling me a liar because you don't
have failed to understand what your own words mean.
And now you are probably going to call me a moron or stupid
because I was too stupid to understand what you were trying to
say. Well, for the past five (possibly six) years, you have adamantly
been defending that "theistic premises do not APPLY ***TO you***."
I have been trying to explain to you that the words you have been using
do not actually mean what you think they mean. I submit that
you are the moron for not understanding what your own words
mean, but I'm a moron for believing that I could actually convince
you.
I have nothing to admit, liar.
You have repeatedly called me a liar but I have never lied.
Admit that and prove that you have some integrity.
Unless you are a coward.
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| User: "Dixit" |
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| Title: Re: Christopher Lee. Let's try again to finish this. |
16 Jun 2004 11:31:14 AM |
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On 6/16/04 6:26 AM, in article
9UXzc.5244$0b.4922724@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net, "Scot McDermid"
<scotmc@optNOonSPAMline.net> wrote:
... Jeff Young and Nico D. both agree with me ....
That settles it then. You are a walking case of delusional disorder
[believing your imaginings are real] just like them.
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| User: "Scot McDermid" |
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| Title: Dixit tries ad hominem. |
16 Jun 2004 12:57:10 PM |
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"Dixit" <dix@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:BCF5C3E0.21AA%dix@nospam.com...
On 6/16/04 6:26 AM, in article
9UXzc.5244$0b.4922724@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net, "Scot McDermid"
<scotmc@optNOonSPAMline.net> wrote:
... Jeff Young and Nico D. both agree with me ....
That settles it then. You are a walking case of delusional disorder
[believing your imaginings are real] just like them.
Dixit, your statement is an example of ad hominem attack.
If you have a refutation to the actual content of my post then,
by all means, present it.
Thanks.
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| User: "Jeff Young" |
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| Title: Re: Christopher Lee. Let's try again to finish this. |
17 Jun 2004 09:32:08 AM |
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Dixit <dix@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<BCF5C3E0.21AA%dix@nospam.com>...
On 6/16/04 6:26 AM, in article
9UXzc.5244$0b.4922724@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net, "Scot McDermid"
<scotmc@optNOonSPAMline.net> wrote:
... Jeff Young and Nico D. both agree with me ....
That settles it then.
You're a minority of one, Septic. Settled.
And Septic Donny AllFried remains the completely fallacious,
mendacious, and discredited old idiot fool lying losing minority of
one of alt.atheism and Bellingham, Washington, as always.
Jeff
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| User: "Virgil" |
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| Title: Re: Christopher Lee. Let's try again to finish this. |
16 Jun 2004 02:07:03 PM |
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In article <BCF5C3E0.21AA%dix@nospam.com>, Dixit <dix@nospam.com>
wrote:
On 6/16/04 6:26 AM, in article
9UXzc.5244$0b.4922724@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net, "Scot McDermid"
<scotmc@optNOonSPAMline.net> wrote:
... Jeff Young and Nico D. both agree with me ....
That settles it then. You are a walking case of delusional disorder
[believing your imaginings are real] just like them.
The fact that Dixit, AKA Septic Capon, the Simple Pimple, is, except for
his many aliases, always a minority of one, does not seem to hint to
him that he might not always be right.
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