*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote in message
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In article <jhachm-32854A.23110007072004@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote:

In article
<nemo0037-973E7D.18311307072004@news02.east.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:

In article <pan.2004.07.07.13.40.55.85385@lid_email.no>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <inv@lid_email.no> wrote:

Not to mention where do you go once you saturate a market? How
many copies of Office do people need?

Heh. I got my hands on Office for Apple System 10 last year. Now,
they've come out with a "new, improved" version of the same
programs. Sorry, Bill. The Word and Excel I have today will suit me
for as long as I own Apple computers that'll run them.

Now, if MS would start writing decent software for my iMac that does
something other than word processing, for less than $100, I'd be
willing to take a look...

I've owned Macs for over fifteen years now. Microscrew used to write
decent Mac software years ago (I use mainly Word) but the last version
I got for OS 9 sucked. When I bought a new eMac this year with OS X
it wouldn't even work with that. I now use Appleworks which came with
the machine. Since i don't do elaborate spread sheets, slide shows, or
graphics at home, it works well enough and I don't feel like paying
Bill's exorbitant prices.

Actually, I got the "Teacher's Edition" version of Office for $150,
which I considered fairly close to reasonable to get a decent set of
programs that have a better GUI than Apple Works 6. All I had to do was
tell the sales clerk that I had a student at home.

You'd think after all this time, Apple could do better than a word
processor that shows about 3 inches of margin around a document.

Well, AppleWorks is really ClarisWorks. Back in the day we used WP on
Macs; worked really well. Apple was never interested in selling the
desktop software; that was an entirely different industry. That's how they
got into a mess with M$ in the first place. Like many, MANY businesses
that collaborated with MicroSoft, they had technology stolen. (In Apple's
case, through a poorly-written contract.)

Actually, Apple was lucky. Microsoft has put a lot of companies completely
out of business since that time.

Incidently, does anyone use BeOS? I'm thinking of getting an old
IBM-compatible and running Be on it Just Because. I already have a Linux
box; Debian--pretty cool. A ***** to set up, though. If Linux-nuts want to
entertain dreams of widespread adoption as a desktop platform, they can
stop worrying about the GUI--it works fine. It's the installation. (I hear
SuSE is easier to install but I actually couldn't get it to work at all!)

You'd think after all this time, Apple could do better than a word
processor that shows about 3 inches of margin around a document.

Yeah. I couldn't use the student dodge, or I would have done the same.

One of the knocks on Apple is that it's hard to get decent software.
You would think that Apple would spend a little more time and effort
developing some decent software themselves. As this thread indicates,
there's a lot of dissatisfaction with Microscrew out there and one
would think that Jobs would try harder to take advantage of it.

In article
<nemo0037-D0122A.05444708072004@news01.east.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:

In article <jhachm-32854A.23110007072004@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote:

In article
<nemo0037-973E7D.18311307072004@news02.east.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:

In article <pan.2004.07.07.13.40.55.85385@lid_email.no>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <inv@lid_email.no> wrote:

Not to mention where do you go once you saturate a market? How many
copies
of Office do people need?

Heh. I got my hands on Office for Apple System 10 last year. Now,
they've come out with a "new, improved" version of the same programs.
Sorry, Bill. The Word and Excel I have today will suit me for as long as
I own Apple computers that'll run them.

Now, if MS would start writing decent software for my iMac that does
something other than word processing, for less than $100, I'd be willing
to take a look...

I've owned Macs for over fifteen years now. Microscrew used to write
decent Mac software years ago (I use mainly Word) but the last version
I got for OS 9 sucked. When I bought a new eMac this year with OS X
it wouldn't even work with that. I now use Appleworks which came with
the machine. Since i don't do elaborate spread sheets, slide shows, or
graphics at home, it works well enough and I don't feel like paying
Bill's exorbitant prices.

Actually, I got the "Teacher's Edition" version of Office for $150,
which I considered fairly close to reasonable to get a decent set of
programs that have a better GUI than Apple Works 6. All I had to do was
tell the sales clerk that I had a student at home.

You'd think after all this time, Apple could do better than a word
processor that shows about 3 inches of margin around a document.

Yeah. I couldn't use the student dodge, or I would have done the same.
One of the knocks on Apple is that it's hard to get decent software.
You would think that Apple would spend a little more time and effort
developing some decent software themselves. As this thread indicates,
there's a lot of dissatisfaction with Microscrew out there and one
would think that Jobs would try harder to take advantage of it.

In article <pan.2004.07.09.22.13.08.825095@localhost.localdomain>,
"stoney" <stoney@localhost.localdomain> wrote:

On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 23:11:00 -0700, johac wrote:

In article
<nemo0037-973E7D.18311307072004@news02.east.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:

In article <pan.2004.07.07.13.40.55.85385@lid_email.no>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <inv@lid_email.no> wrote:

Not to mention where do you go once you saturate a market? How many
copies
of Office do people need?

Heh. I got my hands on Office for Apple System 10 last year. Now,
they've come out with a "new, improved" version of the same programs.
Sorry, Bill. The Word and Excel I have today will suit me for as long as
I own Apple computers that'll run them.

Now, if MS would start writing decent software for my iMac that does
something other than word processing, for less than $100, I'd be willing
to take a look...

I've owned Macs for over fifteen years now. Microscrew used to write
decent Mac software years ago (I use mainly Word) but the last version
I got for OS 9 sucked. When I bought a new eMac this year with OS X
it wouldn't even work with that. I now use Appleworks which came with
the machine. Since i don't do elaborate spread sheets, slide shows, or
graphics at home, it works well enough and I don't feel like paying
Bill's exorbitant prices.

Gosh, John! How cruel and selfish of you not to provide clean hot towels and
free
sodas to all them hardworking programmers....tsk....(rolls eyes)

Cheney all of them.

At work I am condemned to use a Windoze machine. At least several
times a day, I call it things that would make ***** Cheney blush. One
day I was having a particularly rough time with Power Point, and was
commenting on the programmers' intelligence quotient, ancestry, and
personal habits, when one of my cube mates asked me what was the
problem. The woman who also shared our cube replied: "Don't worry,
John is just having another 'Microsoft Moment'".

I have lots of 'Microsoft Moments." I agree about that damned annoying
office assistant.

I wish I knew more about programming. I would like
to write a virus that change every damn office assistant into a little
foul mouthed cartoon character that would spout derisive comments
about Bill Gates.

Even though Appleworks lacks many features, for what I do at home,
it's adequate although I wish that something better and reasonably
priced would come along.