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"Therion Ware" |
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04 Apr 2007 11:50:40 PM |
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OT: Joan of Arc remains 'are fakes' |
It says here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6527105.stm
Joan of Arc remains 'are fakes'
Bones thought to be the holy remains of 15th Century French heroine
Joan of Arc were in fact made from an Egyptian mummy and a cat,
research has revealed.
In 1867, a jar was found in a Paris pharmacy attic, along with a label
claiming it held relics of Joan's body.
But new forensic tests suggest that the remains date from between the
third and sixth centuries BC - hundreds of years before Joan was even
born.
The study has been reported in the news pages of the Nature journal.
Forensic scientist Dr Philippe Charlier, who led the investigation,
told Nature: "I'd never have thought that it could be from a mummy."
Rouen relics
France's national heroine - canonised in 1920 - was convicted of
heresy and witchcraft and burned alive in 1431, aged just 19.
The "relics" were said to have been found at the stake in the Normandy
town of Rouen where Joan was burned.
Perhaps it was created to increase the importance of the process of
beatification in 1909
Philippe Charlier, Raymond Poincare Hospital
The remains consisted of a charred-looking human rib, chunks of what
appeared to be blackened wood, a 15-centimetre fragment of linen, and
a cat thigh bone.
In medieval Europe it was common practice to throw black cats into the
pyres of supposed witches.
Recognised as genuine and sacred by the Church, the "remains" are now
housed in a museum in Chinon belonging to the Archdiocese of Tours.
Stink bombshell
Dr Charlier, from the Raymond Poincare Hospital in Garches, near
Paris, obtained permission to study the relics from the France's
Catholic Church last year.
He used a range of scientific tests such as spectrometry, electron
microscopy, and pollen analysis.
Those tests dated the bone to between the seventh and third centuries
BC, Dr Charlier said. The cat bone dated from the same period and also
was mummified.
The researchers also found pollen from pine trees, probably from resin
used in ancient Egyptian embalming. Pines did not grow in Normandy
during the 15th Century.
Dr Charlier also recruited two smell experts, Sylvaine Delacourte and
Jean-Michel Duriez, from the perfume industry.
They were independently asked to sniff the relics as well as nine
other samples of bone and hair from Dr Charlier's lab without being
told what they were.
Both smelled hints of "burnt plaster" and "vanilla" in the samples.
The plaster smell backs up claims that Joan was burnt on a plaster
stake, to make the spectacle last longer.
But a vanilla smell is inconsistent with cremation. It comes from the
compound vanillin, which is released during the decomposition of a
body.
Medicinal purpose
Analysis of the black crust covering the rib and the cat bone showed
that it was not caused by fire, but an embalming mix of wood resins,
bitumen and chemicals such as malachite.
In medieval times and later, powdered mummy remains were used for
medicinal purposes, "to treat stomach ailments, long or painful
periods, all blood problems," Philippe Charlier told the Associated
Press.
The researchers' assumption is that a 19th Century apothecary was
behind the fake, and transformed the remains of an Egyptian mummy into
a fake relic, Dr Charlier said.
Why it was done remains a mystery.
According to Philippe Charlier it was probably not for money: "Perhaps
it was for religious reasons.
"Perhaps it was created to increase the importance of the process of
beatification in 1909."
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/sci/tech/6527105.stm
Published: 2007/04/04 17:58:11 GMT
© BBC MMVII
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"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
attrib: Pauline Réage.
http://www.city-of-dis.com/p_q.asp?I1=69597&I2=69121
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| User: "Nosterill" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Joan of Arc remains 'are fakes' |
05 Apr 2007 02:01:37 AM |
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On Apr 5, 5:50 am, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
It says here:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6527105.stm
Joan of Arc remains 'are fakes'
Faked religious relics!!!! Say it isn't so!
Whatever next? The fifteen true penises of St. Philbert the Flasher?
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| User: "Smiler" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Joan of Arc remains 'are fakes' |
05 Apr 2007 07:57:40 PM |
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"Nosterill" <fladgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1175756497.280751.274940@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 5, 5:50 am, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
It says here:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6527105.stm
Joan of Arc remains 'are fakes'
Faked religious relics!!!! Say it isn't so!
Whatever next? The fifteen true penises of St. Philbert the Flasher?
Isn't he the Patron Saint of zipper manufacturers?
Smiler,
The godless one
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| User: "Nosterill" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Joan of Arc remains 'are fakes' |
06 Apr 2007 10:52:56 AM |
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On 6 Apr, 01:57, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
"Nosterill" <fladg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1175756497.280751.274940@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 5, 5:50 am, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
It says here:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6527105.stm
Joan of Arc remains 'are fakes'
Faked religious relics!!!! Say it isn't so!
Whatever next? The fifteen true penises of St. Philbert the Flasher?
Isn't he the Patron Saint of zipper manufacturers?
That could account for how he lost all those dicks. The early sabre
tooth zipper fly was a fearsome thing.
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| User: "Darrell Stec" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Joan of Arc remains 'are fakes' |
06 Apr 2007 01:20:20 PM |
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Nosterill wrote:
On 6 Apr, 01:57, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
"Nosterill" <fladg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1175756497.280751.274940@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 5, 5:50 am, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
It says here:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6527105.stm
Joan of Arc remains 'are fakes'
Faked religious relics!!!! Say it isn't so!
Whatever next? The fifteen true penises of St. Philbert the Flasher?
Isn't he the Patron Saint of zipper manufacturers?
That could account for how he lost all those dicks. The early sabre
tooth zipper fly was a fearsome thing.
About 25 years ago in the Smithsonian Magazine or maybe it was Harpers, I
read an article about Joan of Arc. The article had lots of footnotes and a
substantial bibliography and claimed that Joan herself was never burned at
the stake but remained imprisoned for about 20 years after which time she
was ransonmed and lived a quiet life in England. Apparently though a poor
peasant girl she was related to the royal family in France.
Another girl was substituted in her place. The article also avered that one
of the underlying reasons for her faked death was that although hinted at
but not explicitly stated in documents part of her trial (and that which
prompted her confession) consisted of rape by some of the higher church
officials and a subsequent pregnancy. The guilty party just couldn't bring
himself to burn his child.
I wish I could read that article again now that I am more mature and
skeptical of what I read to see if the allegations would still seem right
to me.
--
Later,
Darrell Stec
Webpage Sorcery
http://webpagesorcery.com
We Put the Magic in Your Webpages
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