Religions > Atheism > OT: Journalists must stop being in denial: bloggers are here to stay
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29 May 2005 04:28:07 AM |
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OT: Journalists must stop being in denial: bloggers are here to stay |
Journalists must stop being in denial: bloggers are here to stay
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,6903,1494564,00.html
John Naughton
Sunday May 29, 2005
The Observer
There is, writes Virginia Postrel in her column on Forbes.com,
'something about blogs [that] makes a lot of respectable journalists
hyperventilate. News pros seem terribly threatened by online amateurs.'
As an illustration she quotes a Los Angeles Times columnist, David
Shaw, an =FCber-hack who won a Pulitzer Prize in 1991 for his media
criticism. Blogging, Shaw writes, is a 'solipsistic, self-aggrandising,
journalist-wannabe genre'. Bloggers are 'practitioners of what is at
best pseudo-journalism' and 'many bloggers ... don't seem to worry much
about being accurate'.
John Naughton
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/a1d337e62358e8d1
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http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/944130b1f2824cfc
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Journalists must stop being in denial: bloggers are here to stay |
29 May 2005 09:55:46 AM |
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"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1117358887.187799.130580
@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Journalists must stop being in denial: bloggers are here to stay
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,6903,1494564,00.html
John Naughton
Sunday May 29, 2005
The Observer
There is, writes Virginia Postrel in her column on Forbes.com,
'something about blogs [that] makes a lot of respectable journalists
hyperventilate. News pros seem terribly threatened by online amateurs.'
As an illustration she quotes a Los Angeles Times columnist, David
Shaw, an über-hack who won a Pulitzer Prize in 1991 for his media
criticism. Blogging, Shaw writes, is a 'solipsistic, self-aggrandising,
journalist-wannabe genre'. Bloggers are 'practitioners of what is at
best pseudo-journalism' and 'many bloggers ... don't seem to worry much
about being accurate'.
I don't see anything that says blogger days are numbered. There are more
than enough ignorant, gullible, and just plain stupid people on the net to
read the bloggers trash. The assesment given above about blogger's
writings is entirely accurate. They are wannabes that haven't the training
or the ethics to accurately convey the news. One might as well get Michael
Moore to write a factual article as evidenced by the fact thatmany of the
bloggers are more interested in furthering their opinions without regard to
the facts. I have not found a single blogger that was honest, well
written, and had verified the facts before publishing his/her diatribe. I
refuse to read any more trash and thus refuse to read bloggers "writings"
if you can call it that.
There is one thing that can be said and that is that for someone to start a
career in writing one must write and write and write some more. The
guidelines was best put many years ago by Henry Justin Smith, managing
editor of the Chicago Daily News.
FIRST: Care about it tremendously. Get on fire with the idea that
writing is fascinating, thrilling, heartbreaking, better than anything in
the world.
SECOND: Work like the devil. Take hold of this man-sized job and sweat
at it. Hustle.
THIRD: Write! Write all the time, any kind of stuff. Prepare for the
thousands of words you are going to write by writing hundreds of thousands.
FOURTH: Hang around fellows who know how to write.
FIFTH: Read everything that stimulates you, but leave the cheap stuff
alone and don't bank too much on the best sellers.
Sage advice indeed.
rj
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| User: "Jez" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Journalists must stop being in denial: bloggers are here to stay |
29 May 2005 10:52:19 AM |
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"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in
news:Xns966564FE212A3mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1117358887.187799.130580
@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Journalists must stop being in denial: bloggers are here to stay
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,6903,1494564,00.html
John Naughton
Sunday May 29, 2005
The Observer
There is, writes Virginia Postrel in her column on Forbes.com,
'something about blogs [that] makes a lot of respectable journalists
hyperventilate. News pros seem terribly threatened by online
amateurs.'
As an illustration she quotes a Los Angeles Times columnist, David
Shaw, an über-hack who won a Pulitzer Prize in 1991 for his media
criticism. Blogging, Shaw writes, is a 'solipsistic,
self-aggrandising, journalist-wannabe genre'. Bloggers are
'practitioners of what is at best pseudo-journalism' and 'many
bloggers ... don't seem to worry much about being accurate'.
I don't see anything that says blogger days are numbered. There are
more than enough ignorant, gullible, and just plain stupid people on
the net to read the bloggers trash. The assesment given above about
blogger's writings is entirely accurate. They are wannabes that
haven't the training or the ethics to accurately convey the news.
They don't work for the Murdochs eh ?
You really think folks like Anne Coulter are REAL Journalists do you ?
Or for that matter most of the whores that lie for the BBC !
One
might as well get Michael Moore to write a factual article as
evidenced by the fact thatmany of the bloggers are more interested in
furthering their opinions without regard to the facts.
Unlike The BBC, MSBC, CNN,FOX and all the other corporate media outlets
Eh ?
I have not
found a single blogger that was honest, well written, and had verified
the facts before publishing his/her diatribe. I refuse to read any
more trash and thus refuse to read bloggers "writings" if you can call
it that.
In 30 years of listening to the BBC I've not found 1 honest journalist.
--
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Journalists must stop being in denial: bloggers are here to stay |
29 May 2005 11:50:08 PM |
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Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in
news:Xns9665ABA51FBD3hellward@216.196.109.145:
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in
news:Xns966564FE212A3mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1117358887.187799.130580
@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Journalists must stop being in denial: bloggers are here to stay
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,6903,1494564,00.html
John Naughton
Sunday May 29, 2005
The Observer
There is, writes Virginia Postrel in her column on Forbes.com,
'something about blogs [that] makes a lot of respectable journalists
hyperventilate. News pros seem terribly threatened by online
amateurs.'
As an illustration she quotes a Los Angeles Times columnist, David
Shaw, an über-hack who won a Pulitzer Prize in 1991 for his media
criticism. Blogging, Shaw writes, is a 'solipsistic,
self-aggrandising, journalist-wannabe genre'. Bloggers are
'practitioners of what is at best pseudo-journalism' and 'many
bloggers ... don't seem to worry much about being accurate'.
I don't see anything that says blogger days are numbered. There are
more than enough ignorant, gullible, and just plain stupid people on
the net to read the bloggers trash. The assesment given above about
blogger's writings is entirely accurate. They are wannabes that
haven't the training or the ethics to accurately convey the news.
They don't work for the Murdochs eh ?
You really think folks like Anne Coulter are REAL Journalists do you ?
Or for that matter most of the whores that lie for the BBC !
Nice try at a diversion. Anne Coulter and other journalists are not the
subject.
One
might as well get Michael Moore to write a factual article as
evidenced by the fact thatmany of the bloggers are more interested in
furthering their opinions without regard to the facts.
Unlike The BBC, MSBC, CNN,FOX and all the other corporate media outlets
Eh ?
Nice diversion attempt. What other media sources do has nothing to do with
bloggers.
I have not
found a single blogger that was honest, well written, and had verified
the facts before publishing his/her diatribe. I refuse to read any
more trash and thus refuse to read bloggers "writings" if you can call
it that.
In 30 years of listening to the BBC I've not found 1 honest journalist.
Or is it that every journalist who does not hold an indentical opinion to
yours dishonest? Could it be that the reporters just lack basic competence
in the subject they are writing about?
Apparently you agree that bloggers are nearly wholly without merit since
you have nothing to add in their defence.
Bloggers! Don't waste your time. Soon they will be as popular as "The
Macarena".
rj
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| User: "Jez" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Journalists must stop being in denial: bloggers are here to stay |
30 May 2005 03:34:08 PM |
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"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in
news:Xns9665F2740AD7Emc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1:
Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in
news:Xns9665ABA51FBD3hellward@216.196.109.145:
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in
news:Xns966564FE212A3mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1117358887.187799.130580
@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Journalists must stop being in denial: bloggers are here to stay
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,6903,1494564,00.html
John Naughton
Sunday May 29, 2005
The Observer
There is, writes Virginia Postrel in her column on Forbes.com,
'something about blogs [that] makes a lot of respectable
journalists hyperventilate. News pros seem terribly threatened by
online amateurs.'
As an illustration she quotes a Los Angeles Times columnist, David
Shaw, an über-hack who won a Pulitzer Prize in 1991 for his media
criticism. Blogging, Shaw writes, is a 'solipsistic,
self-aggrandising, journalist-wannabe genre'. Bloggers are
'practitioners of what is at best pseudo-journalism' and 'many
bloggers ... don't seem to worry much about being accurate'.
I don't see anything that says blogger days are numbered. There are
more than enough ignorant, gullible, and just plain stupid people on
the net to read the bloggers trash. The assesment given above about
blogger's writings is entirely accurate. They are wannabes that
haven't the training or the ethics to accurately convey the news.
They don't work for the Murdochs eh ?
You really think folks like Anne Coulter are REAL Journalists do you
? Or for that matter most of the whores that lie for the BBC !
Nice try at a diversion. Anne Coulter and other journalists are not
the subject.
Oh, and there was me thinking you were comparing them to the bloggers.
One
might as well get Michael Moore to write a factual article as
evidenced by the fact thatmany of the bloggers are more interested
in furthering their opinions without regard to the facts.
Unlike The BBC, MSBC, CNN,FOX and all the other corporate media
outlets Eh ?
Nice diversion attempt. What other media sources do has nothing to do
with bloggers.
So ?
I have not
found a single blogger that was honest, well written, and had
verified the facts before publishing his/her diatribe. I refuse to
read any more trash and thus refuse to read bloggers "writings" if
you can call it that.
In 30 years of listening to the BBC I've not found 1 honest
journalist.
Or is it that every journalist who does not hold an indentical opinion
to yours dishonest?
Nope. They are there to lie to us. That's their function, to support the
propaganda the government spews forth.
http://www.williambowles.info/ini/ini-0307.html
http://www.makethemaccountable.com/hall/index.htm
Could it be that the reporters just lack basic
competence in the subject they are writing about?
Ah, then why the ***** are they published ?
Apparently you agree that bloggers are nearly wholly without merit
since you have nothing to add in their defence.
As there are so many out there, I doubt I'd ever have to time to judge
them all !
--
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Journalists must stop being in denial: bloggers are here to stay |
30 May 2005 09:14:55 AM |
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"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in
news:Xns966564FE212A3mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1117358887.187799.130580
@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Journalists must stop being in denial: bloggers are here to stay
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,6903,1494564,00.html
John Naughton
Sunday May 29, 2005
The Observer
There is, writes Virginia Postrel in her column on Forbes.com,
'something about blogs [that] makes a lot of respectable journalists
hyperventilate. News pros seem terribly threatened by online
amateurs.'
As an illustration she quotes a Los Angeles Times columnist, David
Shaw, an über-hack who won a Pulitzer Prize in 1991 for his media
criticism. Blogging, Shaw writes, is a 'solipsistic,
self-aggrandising, journalist-wannabe genre'. Bloggers are
'practitioners of what is at best pseudo-journalism' and 'many
bloggers ... don't seem to worry much about being accurate'.
I don't see anything that says blogger days are numbered. There are
more than enough ignorant, gullible, and just plain stupid people on
the net to read the bloggers trash. The assesment given above about
blogger's writings is entirely accurate. They are wannabes that
haven't the training or the ethics to accurately convey the news. One
might as well get Michael Moore to write a factual article as
evidenced by the fact thatmany of the bloggers are more interested in
furthering their opinions without regard to the facts. I have not
found a single blogger that was honest, well written, and had verified
the facts before publishing his/her diatribe. I refuse to read any
more trash and thus refuse to read bloggers "writings" if you can call
it that.
As with any field, 90% of everything is trash. Check out the "Pajamas
Media" project.
There is one thing that can be said and that is that for someone to
start a career in writing one must write and write and write some
more. The guidelines was best put many years ago by Henry Justin
Smith, managing editor of the Chicago Daily News.
FIRST: Care about it tremendously. Get on fire with the idea that
writing is fascinating, thrilling, heartbreaking, better than
anything in the world.
SECOND: Work like the devil. Take hold of this man-sized job and
sweat at it. Hustle.
THIRD: Write! Write all the time, any kind of stuff. Prepare for
the thousands of words you are going to write by writing hundreds
of thousands.
FOURTH: Hang around fellows who know how to write.
FIFTH: Read everything that stimulates you, but leave the cheap
stuff alone and don't bank too much on the best sellers.
Sage advice indeed.
rj
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Even if the grass is greener on the other side,
they still have to cut it.
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Journalists must stop being in denial: bloggers are here to stay |
30 May 2005 03:08:30 PM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:1117462495.1a4c0816b76b491d6cacdc45691e81fe@teranews:
As with any field, 90% of everything is trash. Check out the "Pajamas
Media" project.
Interesting hypothesis. I will have to give that some consideration. I
believe that the number given is a bit conservative as far as the internet is
concerned.
rj
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