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User:	"maff"
Date:	30 Jul 2004 03:53:49 AM
Object:	OT: Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not just feared

Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not just feared
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=546124
By Rupert Cornwell in Boston
30 July 2004
John Kerry last night vowed to turn America once again into a "beacon
for the world", promising a foreign policy that would make the world's
lone superpower an object of admiration again not an object of
dread.
Accepting the Democratic presidential nomination, the Massachusetts
senator warned his fellow citizens that the country was facing "the
most important election of our lifetime" facing a global war on
terror and enmeshed in economic stagnation and inequality at home.
Rupert Cornwell
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=18510aff.0401220342.3fdaa14c%40posting.google.com
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User: "Bob Dog"
Title: Re: OT: Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not just feared	31 Jul 2004 08:28:15 AM

(maff) wrote in message news:<18510aff.0407300053.4658f69a@posting.google.com>...

Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not just feared

Which goes to show that Kerry can't grasp the concept either.
"Not *just* feared"? People don't respect those who want to
be feared. In fact, that's what brings on the attacks. "I
want respect but I'll settle for fear" is an idiot's motto.
An American apology to the islamic/arabic world is due, the
question is whether Kerry has the guts.
If Kerry has any decency, he should be a one-term president:
***** off Americans by pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan
and spend his time fixing Shrub's damage. It won't win
re-election, but there also won't be any more 9/11s.
Bob Dog
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User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: OT: Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not just feared	31 Jul 2004 09:42:22 AM

(Bob Dog) wrote in
news:4fa573de.0407310528.2f0c2890@posting.google.com:

maff91@yahoo.com (maff) wrote in message
news:<18510aff.0407300053.4658f69a@posting.google.com>...

Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not just feared

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/ma20040614.shtml
Dear Arabs,
I am truly sorry that Americans decided to take up arms and sacrifice
their own youth in the defense of Muslims in Bosnia, Kosovo, and the
first Gulf War. After we clear up this mess in Iraq, we will refrain
from any such activity in the future.
I am truly sorry that I did not hear any of you call for an apology from
Muslim extremists after 911. After all, the hijackers were all Arabs.

I am truly sorry that Arabs have to live in squalor under savage
dictatorships throughout the Middle East. I am also sorry that the
“leaders” of these nations drive their citizens into poverty by keeping
all of the wealth in the hands of a select few.
I am also sorry that these governments intentionally breed hate for the
U.S. in their religious schools while American schools do the exact
opposite.
I am sorry that Yasir Arafat has been kicked out of every Arab country
and has attached his name to the Palestinian “cause.” I am also sorry
that no other Arab country will offer nearly as much support to Arafat
as we offer to them.
I am sorry that the U.S. has continued to serve as the biggest financial
supporter of poverty stricken Arab nations while wealthy Arab leaders
blame the U.S. for all of their problems.
I am sorry that left-wing media elites would Rather (pun intended) not
talk about any of this, thereby perpetuating your anger towards us. It’s
probably really bad for your blood pressure. I am also sorry that most
of you lack the medical resources to measure your blood pressure. And,
of course, I’m sorry that few of you have indoor plumbing. That’s bad
for your health, too.
I am sorry that the U.N. cheated so many poor people in Iraq out of
their “food for oil” money so they could get rich while the tortured,
raped, and poverty-stricken citizens of Iraq suffered under Saddam
Hussein.
I am sorry that some Arab governments pay the families of homicide
bombers after their children are blown to pieces in pursuit of Arafat’s
“cause.”

I am sorry that these homicide bombers have as little regard for babies
as the local office of Planned Parenthood.
I am sorry that so many people are unable to differentiate between the
gang rape rooms and mass graves of Saddam Hussein on the one hand, and
the conditions of Abu Ghraib on the other.

I am sorry that our prison guards do not show the same restraint that
Arabs show when their brothers in arms are killed. By the way, you
shouldn’t be sorry about that.
I am sorry that foreign trained terrorists are trying to seize control
of Iraq and return it to a terrorist state. I am sorry we have not yet
dropped at least 100 Daisy cutters on Fallujah in order to stop that
effort.
I am also sorry that cleaning up the mess in Iraq is taking so long. It
only took Saddam Hussein about 30 years to accomplish all he did in the
realm of human rights. Come to think of it, that’s about ten years less
than the duration of our War on Poverty in the U.S. Come to think of it,
I’m sorry we haven’t sent all of our gang bangers from South Central Los
Angeles to Fallujah.
I am sorry that every time the terrorists hide, it just happens to be
inside a “Holy Site.”
I am sorry that Muslim extremists have not yet apologized for the U.S.S.
Cole, the embassy bombings, and for flying a plane into the World Trade
Center, which collapsed in part on Saint Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church,
which is one of our Holy Sites.
I am sorry that we have not taken a portion of the diet of Michael Moore
and shipped it to one of your starving villages in the Middle East. You
need it Moore (pun intended) than he does.
I am sorry that your only supporters are professors, journalists, and
other assorted Leftists who also support homosexuals, bisexuals,
transsexuals, partial birth abortion, and everything that you abhor in
this world. I am sorry that everyone else in America is against you.
Finally, I am sorry that I am going to have to end this apology by
asking you to kiss the right side of my conservative butt. I’m probably
just having a bad day.
For that I am truly sorry.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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User: "Christopher A. Lee"
Title: Re: OT: Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not just feared	31 Jul 2004 09:06:44 AM

On 31 Jul 2004 06:28:15 -0700,

(Bob Dog) wrote:

maff91@yahoo.com (maff) wrote in message news:<18510aff.0407300053.4658f69a@posting.google.com>...

Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not just feared

Not just the Arab world. That's just this time around.
http://www.bidstrup.com/hate.htm
Actually what brings on the attacks is sociopathy. Ours is the only
point of view that counts when we interfere in other peoples'
countries, lives etc. The other guy can't even have a point of view.
I don't think any administration can own up to the lies of successive
administrations for the last 6 decades. Our own populace swallows it,
fed by compliant mass media, and the rest of the world sees through it
but we carry on doing it. Especially the people we're doing it to. But
they don't matter.
We create these situations and then suppress the reaction. The
pressure builds up until it bursts. When we ignore the reasons.

If Kerry has any decency, he should be a one-term president:
***** off Americans by pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan
and spend his time fixing Shrub's damage. It won't win
re-election, but there also won't be any more 9/11s.

Bob Dog

User: "Jez"
Title: Re: OT: Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not justfeared	31 Jul 2004 10:52:38 AM

Christopher A. Lee wrote:

On 31 Jul 2004 06:28:15 -0700,

(Bob Dog) wrote:

maff91@yahoo.com (maff) wrote in message news:<18510aff.0407300053.4658f69a@posting.google.com>...

Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not just feared

Not just the Arab world. That's just this time around.

http://www.bidstrup.com/hate.htm

Actually what brings on the attacks is sociopathy. Ours is the only
point of view that counts when we interfere in other peoples'
countries, lives etc. The other guy can't even have a point of view.

I don't think any administration can own up to the lies of successive
administrations for the last 6 decades. Our own populace swallows it,
fed by compliant mass media, and the rest of the world sees through it
but we carry on doing it. Especially the people we're doing it to. But
they don't matter.

We create these situations and then suppress the reaction. The
pressure builds up until it bursts. When we ignore the reasons.

http://www.adbusters.org/jams/history/flash.html
More for the UK but...
http://human-nature.com/reason/01/curtis.html
I wonder why they don't like us very much ?
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: OT: Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not just feared	31 Jul 2004 12:50:29 PM

Jez <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in
news:410bc03d$0$6442$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com:

Christopher A. Lee wrote:

On 31 Jul 2004 06:28:15 -0700,

(Bob Dog) wrote:

maff91@yahoo.com (maff) wrote in message
news:<18510aff.0407300053.4658f69a@posting.google.com>...

Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not just feared

That sounds like your standard leftist.

I don't think any administration can own up to the lies of successive
administrations for the last 6 decades. Our own populace swallows it,
fed by compliant mass media, and the rest of the world sees through
it but we carry on doing it. Especially the people we're doing it to.
But they don't matter.

Orwell would be amused at how the doublethink concept has come full
circle. Of course his O'Brien *wasn't* a conservative.

We create these situations and then suppress the reaction. The
pressure builds up until it bursts. When we ignore the reasons.

http://www.adbusters.org/jams/history/flash.html

More for the UK but...

http://human-nature.com/reason/01/curtis.html

I wonder why they don't like us very much ?

Maybe because they don't like themselves very much either? People who
are severely depressed don't much like seeing others being happy. (I
know *all about* that one.) I don't see why it shouldn't apply to
societies as well as individuals.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
.

User: "Jez"
Title: Re: OT: Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not justfeared	01 Aug 2004 10:38:24 AM

Fred Stone wrote:

Jez <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in
news:410bc03d$0$6442$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com:

We create these situations and then suppress the reaction. The
pressure builds up until it bursts. When we ignore the reasons.

http://www.adbusters.org/jams/history/flash.html

More for the UK but...

http://human-nature.com/reason/01/curtis.html

I wonder why they don't like us very much ?

Ahh ! It's not because we've plundered their resources for 5 centuries
or-so, it's because they don't like themselves very much !
Thanks for clearing that up for me Fred !
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: OT: Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not just feared	01 Aug 2004 11:11:03 AM

Jez <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in
news:410d0e67$0$6444$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com:

Fred Stone wrote:

Jez <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in
news:410bc03d$0$6442$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com:

We create these situations and then suppress the reaction. The
pressure builds up until it bursts. When we ignore the reasons.

http://www.adbusters.org/jams/history/flash.html

More for the UK but...

http://human-nature.com/reason/01/curtis.html

I wonder why they don't like us very much ?

Ahh ! It's not because we've plundered their resources for 5
centuries or-so,

The US has been *buying* their resources for the last few centuries or
so. Oh, that's right, "plunder" is defined as "trading with them and
making a profit on the deal". I keep forgetting how to speak Socialist.

it's because they don't like themselves very much !

Analogy to "depression".

Thanks for clearing that up for me Fred !

You should read more than just Chomsky on global economics.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
.

User: "JTEM"
Title: Re: OT: Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not just feared	01 Aug 2004 12:39:13 PM

"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote

The US has been *buying* their resources for the last few
centuries or so.

Blatent lie.
We buy resources from the very few at the top, making them
fiflthy rich & powerful as the masses live in poverty.
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User: "Jez"
Title: Re: OT: Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not justfeared	01 Aug 2004 02:32:37 PM

JTEM wrote:

"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote

The US has been *buying* their resources for the last few
centuries or so.

Blatent lie.

We buy resources from the very few at the top, making them
fiflthy rich & powerful as the masses live in poverty.

Came across this earlier....
http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/168050.html
Remember the battle of Seattle? It’s five years since protestors
descended on the birthplace of Nirvana, Starbucks and Boeing to disrupt
a meeting of the World Trade Organisation. The police ran out of tear
gas trying to break up the crowd, but away from the riots a new global
pressure group was coming of age.
People have always exchanged things they have to get the things they
need. But rigged international trade rules allow rich countries to rip
off the poorest people on the planet. The Seattle protests were a
wake-up call, even if the media took more interest in a handful of
vandals than the campaign against institutionalized injustice.
Behind closed doors, however, changes are afoot. Last September, another
trade summit broke down in the Mexican beach resort of Cancun. This
time, the travelling carnival of demonstrators wasn’t to blame. Instead,
a group of 20 poorer nations led by Brazil and India stuck a spanner in
the works of the WTO, refusing to give rich countries what they wanted.
Reeling from the Seattle shockwaves, the WTO had already tried to
reinvent itself at another summit in Doha, Qatar, in 2001. Rich world
governments promised to reform the system to help the poor, but
negotiations on a new global trade agreement soon got bogged down.
Many Western farmers get a free lunch from their governments in the form
of payments to produce certain crops. As a result, they can export to
poor countries cheaply, undercutting local farmers’ prices and robbing
them of their livelihoods.
Instead of phasing out these subsidies as promised in Doha, the United
States offered farmers an extra $180 billion in state aid. The European
Union wasn’t much better, doing nothing to wean its farmers off handouts
that encourage them to overproduce. These days, surplus European food is
less likely to pile up into the infamous butter mountains and wine lakes
of the 1980s. Where possible, it’s simply dumped on other countries’
markets at artificially low prices.
Western governments preach free trade to the rest of the world but it
boils down to one rule for ‘us’ and another for ‘them’.
In Ghana, the home of United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan, cheap
frozen chickens from Holland and Canada are putting poultry farmers out
of business. Similarly, farmers in Haiti can’t compete with subsidized
rice imports. But neither can hit back by exporting to richer countries,
which protect their own farmers with stiff taxes on imported food.
When the World Bank lends money to poor countries, it denies them the
right to help their own farmers in the same way, even though many can
barely afford to buy seeds. Yet both the World Bank and the
International Monetary Fund say developing countries can only get richer
by exporting as much as possible and welcoming foreign companies onto
their markets.
Poor nations have virtually no influence over the IMF, where the U.S.
can veto any proposal it dislikes. Their only hope is to demand fairer
trade rules.
When the WTO’s 147 member states gathered in Cancun, the poor world
fought back. Instead of rolling over and doing as they were told,
Brazil, India and China joined forces to lead a united front.
Burying their differences, they refused to cut taxes on manufactured
goods imported from the West unless the U.S., the E.U. and Japan
scrapped state aid for cotton, wheat, rice, sugar, beef and dairy
farmers. Although rich countries had the power to break the deadlock,
they refused to budge and blamed the poor for the summit’s collapse.
It was rather a hollow victory for developing nations. Nothing actually
changed and 10 months later everyone was back at the negotiating table
at WTO headquarters in Geneva, discussing the same proposals.
This time the rich succeeded in twisting poorer countries’ arms,
although they put up a fight. The result was a watered down compromise
full of loopholes. Western governments promised to stop subsidizing
their farmers, but failed to say when. Instead, the haggling will
continue, probably for several years.
Wealthy countries are effectively still hooked on the colonial
relationships with poorer nations that helped them get rich in the first
place. Every year, the U.S., the E.U. and Japan pay their farmers six
times as much in subsidies as they give to poor countries in aid.
Despite its flaws, the W.T.O. offers developing countries an opportunity
to work together for a better deal, but much depends on Western
governments. Half of the world’s people live on less than $2 a day and
the gap between rich and poor is getting wider. The only realistic
solution is to make trade fairer.
In the words of the trade justice campaigner George Monbiot: “Without a
great global economic levelling, we are destined always to fight each
other, rather than our common problems.”
__________________________________________________________________________
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: OT: Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not just feared	01 Aug 2004 04:23:54 PM

Jez <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in
news:410d454c$0$6442$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com:

JTEM wrote:

"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote

The US has been *buying* their resources for the last few
centuries or so.

Blatent lie.

We buy resources from the very few at the top, making them
fiflthy rich & powerful as the masses live in poverty.

And this is *our* problem, sunshine?

<Snip for size>
Trouble is this "fairer trade" seems to come at the expense of more
centralized planning and red tape, with even more middlemen taking even
more of the profit out of the deal. "Fair trade" coffee is an excellent
example [one that I have personal knowledge of]: the small farmer or
plantation owner is paid a relatively small premium over the world
commodity price (for what is in fact usually premium product in the
first place) while the end retailer and the distributor put a *big*
surcharge on the product. What is needed is more free trade all around,
not just another round of musical chairs at the subsidy table.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&e=3
&u=/ap/20040731/ap_on_bi_ge/wto_trade_talks
http://makeashorterlink.com/?L296162F8
GENEVA - World Trade Organization (news - web sites) members approved a
plan Sunday to end export subsidies on farm products and cut import
duties across the world, a key step toward a comprehensive global accord
that has been discussed since 2001, trade officials said.
The deal was approved by a consensus of the 147-nation body shortly
after midnight, opening the way for full negotiations to start in
September.
"Developed countries have recognized that agricultural trade with a
heavy subsidy component is not free trade," Indian Trade Minister Kamal
Nath said.
But Nath said the United States, European Union (news - web sites) and
other developed countries also will benefit by removing heavy
agricultural subsidies from their budgets...
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
.

User: "JTEM"
Title: Re: OT: Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not just feared	01 Aug 2004 07:30:28 PM

"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote

We buy resources from the very few at the top, making them
fiflthy rich & powerful as the masses live in poverty.

And this is *our* problem, sunshine?

It's why they hate us.
Not that your kind care about solutions...
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User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: OT: Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not just feared	02 Aug 2004 08:55:58 PM

On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:38:24 +0100 in episode
<410d0e67$0$6444$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com> we saw our hero Jez
<iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com>:

Fred Stone wrote:

Jez <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in
news:410bc03d$0$6442$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com:

We create these situations and then suppress the reaction. The pressure
builds up until it bursts. When we ignore the reasons.

http://www.adbusters.org/jams/history/flash.html

More for the UK but...

http://human-nature.com/reason/01/curtis.html

I wonder why they don't like us very much ?

Ahh ! It's not because we've plundered their resources for 5 centuries
or-so, it's because they don't like themselves very much !

Thanks for clearing that up for me Fred !

Yes, the US never, never, never did *anything wrong. Not. Once.
Get it?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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User: "Jez"
Title: Re: OT: Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not justfeared	03 Aug 2004 05:10:26 AM

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:38:24 +0100 in episode
<410d0e67$0$6444$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com> we saw our hero Jez
<iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com>:

Fred Stone wrote:

Jez <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in
news:410bc03d$0$6442$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com:

We create these situations and then suppress the reaction. The pressure
builds up until it bursts. When we ignore the reasons.

http://www.adbusters.org/jams/history/flash.html

More for the UK but...

http://human-nature.com/reason/01/curtis.html

I wonder why they don't like us very much ?

Ahh ! It's not because we've plundered their resources for 5 centuries
or-so, it's because they don't like themselves very much !

Thanks for clearing that up for me Fred !

Yes, the US never, never, never did *anything wrong. Not. Once.

Get it?

Yip...I'm cleared up on that now.. Thanks !
:)
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
.

User: "stoney"
Title: Re: OT: Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not just feared	04 Aug 2004 09:20:13 AM

Jez wrote:

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:38:24 +0100 in episode
<410d0e67$0$6444$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com> we saw our hero
Jez <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com>:

Fred Stone wrote:

Jez <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in
news:410bc03d$0$6442$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com:

We create these situations and then suppress the reaction. The
pressure builds up until it bursts. When we ignore the reasons.

http://www.adbusters.org/jams/history/flash.html

More for the UK but...

http://human-nature.com/reason/01/curtis.html

I wonder why they don't like us very much ?

Maybe because they don't like themselves very much either? People
who are severely depressed don't much like seeing others being
happy. (I know *all about* that one.) I don't see why it shouldn't
apply to societies as well as individuals.

Ahh ! It's not because we've plundered their resources for 5
centuries or-so, it's because they don't like themselves very much !

Thanks for clearing that up for me Fred !

Yes, the US never, never, never did *anything wrong. Not. Once.

Get it?

Yip...I'm cleared up on that now.. Thanks !

:)

And Fred smiles while wearing a red nose, huge flat floppy shoes,
white face paint, poka-dot clothing and honks a toy horn.
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: OT: Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not just feared	04 Aug 2004 12:50:15 PM

stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in news:10h1s4t45j9u642
@corp.supernews.com:

Jez wrote:

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:38:24 +0100 in episode
<410d0e67$0$6444$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com> we saw our hero
Jez <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com>:

Fred Stone wrote:

Jez <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in
news:410bc03d$0$6442$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com:

We create these situations and then suppress the reaction. The
pressure builds up until it bursts. When we ignore the reasons.

http://www.adbusters.org/jams/history/flash.html

More for the UK but...

http://human-nature.com/reason/01/curtis.html

I wonder why they don't like us very much ?

Maybe because they don't like themselves very much either? People
who are severely depressed don't much like seeing others being
happy. (I know *all about* that one.) I don't see why it shouldn't
apply to societies as well as individuals.

Ahh ! It's not because we've plundered their resources for 5
centuries or-so, it's because they don't like themselves very much !

Thanks for clearing that up for me Fred !

Yes, the US never, never, never did *anything wrong. Not. Once.

Get it?

Yip...I'm cleared up on that now.. Thanks !

:)

And Fred smiles while wearing a red nose, huge flat floppy shoes,
white face paint, poka-dot clothing and honks a toy horn.

Having succeeded in making fools of at least three people with a little
clowning around.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
.

User: "stoney"
Title: Re: OT: Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not just feared	02 Aug 2004 02:45:47 PM

On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:38:24 +0100, Jez wrote:

Fred Stone wrote:

Jez <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in
news:410bc03d$0$6442$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com:

We create these situations and then suppress the reaction. The
pressure builds up until it bursts. When we ignore the reasons.

http://www.adbusters.org/jams/history/flash.html

More for the UK but...

http://human-nature.com/reason/01/curtis.html

I wonder why they don't like us very much ?

Ahh ! It's not because we've plundered their resources for 5 centuries
or-so, it's because they don't like themselves very much !

Thanks for clearing that up for me Fred !

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User: "stoney"
Title: Re: OT: Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not just feared	31 Jul 2004 01:23:18 PM

On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 06:28:15 -0700, Bob Dog wrote:

maff91@yahoo.com (maff) wrote in message news:<18510aff.0407300053.4658f69a@posting.google.com>...

Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not just feared

Which goes to show that Kerry can't grasp the concept either.

I don't think any theist politician can with the induced
binary thinking.

"Not *just* feared"? People don't respect those who want to
be feared. In fact, that's what brings on the attacks. "I
want respect but I'll settle for fear" is an idiot's motto.
An American apology to the islamic/arabic world is due, the
question is whether Kerry has the guts.

It wouldn't be accepted as other than empty rhetoric. The track
record of empty rhetoric goes back decades.

The demo's initiated some free speech damage (free-speech zones)
and went along with much Repub damage-such as tom ridge's gestapo,
the 'sure ok' concerning Ashcroft and much more.
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User: "Jez"
Title: Re: OT: Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not justfeared	30 Jul 2004 08:09:51 AM

maff wrote:

When are Americans going to realise that
NOT EVERYONE wants to live like the Americans ????
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
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User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: OT: Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not just feared	30 Jul 2004 08:11:10 AM

Jez <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in news:410a4895$0$6446
$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com:

maff wrote:

When are Americans going to realise that
NOT EVERYONE wants to live like the Americans ????

What do Americans live like?
--
Fred Stone
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Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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User: "Therion Ware"
Title: Re: OT: Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not just feared	30 Jul 2004 08:26:52 AM

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:11:10 GMT in alt.atheism, Fred Stone (Fred
Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism

Jez <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in news:410a4895$0$6446
$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com:

maff wrote:

When are Americans going to realise that
NOT EVERYONE wants to live like the Americans ????

What do Americans live like?

I've seen "Married with children".
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User: "stoney"
Title: Re: OT: Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not just feared	30 Jul 2004 09:15:58 PM

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:26:52 +0100, Therion Ware wrote:

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:11:10 GMT in alt.atheism, Fred Stone (Fred
Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism

Jez <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in news:410a4895$0$6446
$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com:

maff wrote:

When are Americans going to realise that
NOT EVERYONE wants to live like the Americans ????

What do Americans live like?

I've seen "Married with children".

What about 'Home Alone?'
(peals of mad laughter and sound of scampering)
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User: "Phÿltêr"
Title: Re: OT: Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not just feared	30 Jul 2004 09:09:35 AM

Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> astounded us with:
news:54jkg0569qaeslc3tokj3ud249ibhle738@4ax.com:

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:11:10 GMT in alt.atheism, Fred Stone (Fred
Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism

Jez <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in news:410a4895$0$6446
$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com:

maff wrote:

When are Americans going to realise that
NOT EVERYONE wants to live like the Americans ????

What do Americans live like?

I've seen "Married with children".

Bwaaaahahahahahahaha!!!!
--
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User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: OT: Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not just feared	30 Jul 2004 11:10:49 AM

Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in
news:54jkg0569qaeslc3tokj3ud249ibhle738@4ax.com:

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:11:10 GMT in alt.atheism, Fred Stone (Fred
Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism

Jez <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in news:410a4895$0$6446
$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com:

maff wrote:

When are Americans going to realise that
NOT EVERYONE wants to live like the Americans ????

What do Americans live like?

I've seen "Married with children".

Do you think they were a typical American family? A failure and his *****
wife and their totally undisciplined children?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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User: "Therion Ware"
Title: Re: OT: Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not just feared	30 Jul 2004 11:15:51 AM

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:10:49 GMT in alt.atheism, Fred Stone (Fred
Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism

Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in
news:54jkg0569qaeslc3tokj3ud249ibhle738@4ax.com:

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:11:10 GMT in alt.atheism, Fred Stone (Fred
Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism

Jez <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in news:410a4895$0$6446
$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com:

maff wrote:

When are Americans going to realise that
NOT EVERYONE wants to live like the Americans ????

What do Americans live like?

I've seen "Married with children".

Do you think they were a typical American family? A failure and his *****
wife and their totally undisciplined children?

I think Al's inability to take a joke may not be unrepresentative, in
some cases....
--
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User: "Jez"
Title: Re: OT: Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not justfeared	30 Jul 2004 11:48:11 AM

Therion Ware wrote:

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:10:49 GMT in alt.atheism, Fred Stone (Fred
Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism

Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in
news:54jkg0569qaeslc3tokj3ud249ibhle738@4ax.com:

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:11:10 GMT in alt.atheism, Fred Stone (Fred
Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism

Jez <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in news:410a4895$0$6446
$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com:

maff wrote:

When are Americans going to realise that
NOT EVERYONE wants to live like the Americans ????

What do Americans live like?

I've seen "Married with children".

Do you think they were a typical American family? A failure and his *****
wife and their totally undisciplined children?

I think Al's inability to take a joke may not be unrepresentative, in
some cases....

Hehehe !
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
.

User: "Enkidu"
Title: Re: OT: Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not justfeared	30 Jul 2004 11:28:52 AM

Therion Ware wrote:

I think Al's inability to take a joke may not be unrepresentative, in
some cases....

". . . may not be unrepresentative, in some cases . . ."
Huh?
Does that mean the same as " . . . might be representative in some cases
.. . ."?
Does that mean the same as " . . . sometime represents some people
sometimes . . ."?
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having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of
it too?"
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User: "Therion Ware"
Title: Re: OT: Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not just feared	30 Jul 2004 11:41:33 AM

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:28:52 -0700 in alt.atheism, Enkidu (Enkidu
<enkidu@leaddogs.org>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism

Therion Ware wrote:

I think Al's inability to take a joke may not be unrepresentative, in
some cases....

". . . may not be unrepresentative, in some cases . . ."

Huh?

Does that mean the same as " . . . might be representative in some cases
. . ."?

Does that mean the same as " . . . sometime represents some people
sometimes . . ."?

It means Fred may be taking my comment a little too much to heart, and
that I wanted to gently poke him about it. So to speak.
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User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: OT: Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not just feared	30 Jul 2004 12:15:23 PM

Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in
news:qeukg0l5k1o9i7j9614qhm7odhp21khlch@4ax.com:

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:28:52 -0700 in alt.atheism, Enkidu (Enkidu
<enkidu@leaddogs.org>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism

Therion Ware wrote:

I think Al's inability to take a joke may not be unrepresentative,
in some cases....

". . . may not be unrepresentative, in some cases . . ."

Huh?

Does that mean the same as " . . . might be representative in some
cases . . ."?

Does that mean the same as " . . . sometime represents some people
sometimes . . ."?

It means Fred may be taking my comment a little too much to heart, and
that I wanted to gently poke him about it. So to speak.

Yeah, I got that after I hit Send. I could blame the migraines for my
lack of humor lately, but I won't.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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User: "stoney"
Title: Re: OT: Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not just feared	30 Jul 2004 09:17:56 PM

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:28:52 -0700, Enkidu wrote:

Therion Ware wrote:

I think Al's inability to take a joke may not be unrepresentative, in
some cases....

Which all translates to: Anyone not Repugnican.
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User: "Ichimusai"
Title: Re: OT: Kerry: Our country needs to be looked up to and not justfeared	31 Jul 2004 08:59:08 AM

Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> writes:

Do you think they were a typical American family? A failure and his *****
wife and their totally undisciplined children?

*****???
--
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MSN: Ichimusai1972 AOL: Ichimusai1972 IRC: Ichimusai@IRCNet
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