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"Fred Stone" |
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14 Dec 2003 06:40:24 AM |
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OT: Ladies and gentlement, we got him! |
BAGHDAD, Iraq — U.S. troops captured Saddam Hussein (search), the former
Iraqi dictator and most-wanted figure by the U.S.-led coalition, as he
tried to hide in a basement in Tikrit, officials announced at a Sunday
news conference.
"Ladies and gentlement, we got him," L. Paul Bremer (search), the U.S.
administrator in Iraq, announced.
On the basis of a tip from a local resident, the U.S. military conducted
the raid in Tikrit, Saddam's hometown, sources said. Soldiers found a
man who looked very thin, with a long grey beard, hiding in a basement,
sources said.
Saddam did not put up any resistance, officials told Fox News.
Earlier, a member of the U.S.-appointed Governing Council (search) said
Saddam had been captured alive in Tikrit.
Council member Dara Noor al-Din told The Associated Press that the
council was informed of the former dictator's capture in a telephone
call from L. Paul Bremer, the U.S. administrator for Iraq.
"Bremer has confirmed to the Governing Council that Saddam was captured
in Tikrit," Noor al-Din said. "He spoke on the phone to several members,
including Ahmad Chalabi."
Chalabi is a leading member of the council who has close links to the
Bush administration.
A council spokesman, speaking on condition of anonymity, confirmed that
Bremer had relayed news of Saddam's capture to the council. A council
delegation planned to visit Saddam in captivity later Sunday, the
spokesman said.
Another Governing Council member, Jalal Talabani, was earlier quoted by
Iran's official news agency, IRNA, as saying Saddam had been captured in
Tikrit.
Talabani told IRNA that Saddam's detention will bring stability to Iraq.
"With the arrest of Saddam, the source financing terrorists has been
destroyed and terrorist attacks will come to an end. Now we can
establish a durable stability and security in Iraq," Talabani was quoted
as saying.
In Baghdad, residents fired small arms in the air in celebration, and
gunfire echoed in neighborhoods across the city. Earlier in the day,
rumors of the capture sent people streaming into the streets of Kirkuk,
a northern Iraqi city, firing guns in the air in celebration.
"We are celebrating like it's a wedding," said Kirkuk resident Mustapha
Sheriff. "We are finally rid of that criminal."
"This is the joy of a lifetime," said Ali Al-Bashiri, another resident.
"I am speaking on behalf of all the people that suffered under his rule."
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Fred Stone
Illegitimi non Carborundum
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| User: "JTEM" |
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14 Dec 2003 12:12:57 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
BAGHDAD, Iraq — U.S. troops captured Saddam Hussein
(search), the former Iraqi dictator and most-wanted figure
by the U.S.-led coalition,
And it only took one war and almost 500 U.S. service men killed,
plus about 1000 wounded.
That's quite an accomplishment.
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| User: "Soylen Green is Clayton....BITE ME!!" |
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| Title: Re: Ladies and gentlement, we got him! |
14 Dec 2003 07:27:21 PM |
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"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
BAGHDAD, Iraq - U.S. troops captured Saddam Hussein
(search), the former Iraqi dictator and most-wanted figure
by the U.S.-led coalition,
And it only took one war and almost 500 U.S. service men killed,
plus about 1000 wounded.
Don't forget the 10 000 + Iraqi civilians killed. Oh wait...they aren't
Americans so they don't count.
That's quite an accomplishment.
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| User: "William Klee" |
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| Title: Re: Ladies and gentlement, we got him! |
14 Dec 2003 11:42:52 PM |
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In article <3fdd0d08$0$18746$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, Soylen
Green is Clayton....BITE ME!! <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:VcSdnfdw9qL_OkGiRVn-vg@comcast.com...
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
BAGHDAD, Iraq - U.S. troops captured Saddam Hussein
(search), the former Iraqi dictator and most-wanted figure
by the U.S.-led coalition,
And it only took one war and almost 500 U.S. service men killed,
plus about 1000 wounded.
Don't forget the 10 000 + Iraqi civilians killed. Oh wait...they aren't
Americans so they don't count.
They can't vote for bush next year, so they're of no value.
That's quite an accomplishment.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Ladies and gentlement, we got him! |
14 Dec 2003 01:36:58 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
BAGHDAD, Iraq — U.S. troops captured Saddam Hussein
(search), the former Iraqi dictator and most-wanted figure
by the U.S.-led coalition,
And it only took one war and almost 500 U.S. service men killed,
plus about 1000 wounded.
That's quite an accomplishment.
And well worth the sacrifice by our courageous troops.
--
Fred Stone
Illegitimi non Carborundum
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| User: "JTEM" |
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14 Dec 2003 01:58:35 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
And well worth the sacrifice by our courageous troops.
I hope it's you next time.
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| User: "Bill, The Avender" |
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| Title: Re: Ladies and gentlement, we got him! |
14 Dec 2003 04:00:53 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:58:35 -0500, "JTEM"
<jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
And well worth the sacrifice by our courageous troops.
I hope it's you next time.
Wow. Slamming both civilians and officers in one fell swoop. Way to
go... :-/
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L8r,
Bill
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The quest is never fruitless -
even when all you walk away with
are memories of the search.
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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14 Dec 2003 01:42:37 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
JTEM wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
BAGHDAD, Iraq ? U.S. troops captured Saddam Hussein
(search), the former Iraqi dictator and most-wanted figure
by the U.S.-led coalition,
And it only took one war and almost 500 U.S. service men killed,
plus about 1000 wounded.
That's quite an accomplishment.
And well worth the sacrifice by our courageous troops.
It's easy to say that when you're not the one being sacrificed.
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "Fester" |
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14 Dec 2003 01:53:25 PM |
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"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Fred Stone wrote:
JTEM wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
BAGHDAD, Iraq ? U.S. troops captured Saddam Hussein
(search), the former Iraqi dictator and most-wanted figure
by the U.S.-led coalition,
And it only took one war and almost 500 U.S. service men killed,
plus about 1000 wounded.
That's quite an accomplishment.
And well worth the sacrifice by our courageous troops.
It's easy to say that when you're not the one being sacrificed.
And it's easy to deny that it was worth it, when you're not an Iraqi being
*****-hammered on a daily basis by Saddam.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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14 Dec 2003 02:07:46 PM |
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote
And it's easy to deny that it was worth it, when you're not an
Iraqi being *****-hammered on a daily basis by Saddam.
We didn't need to go to war to get rid of Saddam. So, even if you
want to cling to the fantasy that the U.S. is the world's police man,
you still can't justify the war.
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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14 Dec 2003 03:41:21 PM |
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Fester wrote:
"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c1883$3fdcbd2d$51569c09$14161@nf2.news-service.com...
Fred Stone wrote:
JTEM wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
BAGHDAD, Iraq ? U.S. troops captured Saddam Hussein
(search), the former Iraqi dictator and most-wanted figure
by the U.S.-led coalition,
And it only took one war and almost 500 U.S. service men killed,
plus about 1000 wounded.
That's quite an accomplishment.
And well worth the sacrifice by our courageous troops.
It's easy to say that when you're not the one being sacrificed.
And it's easy to deny that it was worth it, when you're not an Iraqi being
*****-hammered on a daily basis by Saddam.
If the Iraqi people have a problem with their leader, it's up to them - not
us - to deal with him. The Iranians managed to get rid of their CIA
sponsored despot, so there's no reason to suppose the Iraqis couldn't have
done the same.
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "Fester" |
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14 Dec 2003 04:10:44 PM |
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"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:82539$3fdcd902$51569c09$22418@nf2.news-service.com...
Fester wrote:
"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c1883$3fdcbd2d$51569c09$14161@nf2.news-service.com...
Fred Stone wrote:
JTEM wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
BAGHDAD, Iraq ? U.S. troops captured Saddam Hussein
(search), the former Iraqi dictator and most-wanted figure
by the U.S.-led coalition,
And it only took one war and almost 500 U.S. service men killed,
plus about 1000 wounded.
That's quite an accomplishment.
And well worth the sacrifice by our courageous troops.
It's easy to say that when you're not the one being sacrificed.
And it's easy to deny that it was worth it, when you're not an Iraqi
being
*****-hammered on a daily basis by Saddam.
If the Iraqi people have a problem with their leader, it's up to them -
not
us - to deal with him. The Iranians managed to get rid of their CIA
sponsored despot, so there's no reason to suppose the Iraqis couldn't have
done the same.
And I suppose your enlightened opinion applied to Milosovic as well. Or was
it only OK for a Democrat pres to depose a murderous thug in the name of
human rights?
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| User: "JTEM" |
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14 Dec 2003 04:31:16 PM |
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote
And I suppose your enlightened opinion applied to Milosovic
as well.
It certainly didn't for the Republicans.
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| User: "Hypatia Kosh" |
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15 Dec 2003 10:54:27 PM |
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message news:<Ed5Db.144797$I53.5975390@twister.southeast.rr.com>...
"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Fester wrote:
"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c1883$3fdcbd2d$51569c09$14161@nf2.news-service.com...
Fred Stone wrote:
JTEM wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
BAGHDAD, Iraq ? U.S. troops captured Saddam Hussein
(search), the former Iraqi dictator and most-wanted figure
by the U.S.-led coalition,
And it only took one war and almost 500 U.S. service men killed,
plus about 1000 wounded.
That's quite an accomplishment.
And well worth the sacrifice by our courageous troops.
It's easy to say that when you're not the one being sacrificed.
And it's easy to deny that it was worth it, when you're not an Iraqi
being
*****-hammered on a daily basis by Saddam.
If the Iraqi people have a problem with their leader, it's up to them -
not
us - to deal with him. The Iranians managed to get rid of their CIA
sponsored despot, so there's no reason to suppose the Iraqis couldn't have
done the same.
And I suppose your enlightened opinion applied to Milosovic as well. Or was
it only OK for a Democrat pres to depose a murderous thug in the name of
human rights?
Clinton did not depose Milosevic. The Yugoslav people did. Get a clue.
-Hypatia Kosh
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Let tyrants shake their iron rod
And slav'ry clank her galling chains
We fear them not; we trust in God
New England's God forever reigns.
Chester, William Billings circa 1777
1783: Massachusetts SJC Outlaws Slavery
2003: Massachusetts SJC Legalizes Gay Marriage
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| User: "Hypatia Kosh" |
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15 Dec 2003 10:53:37 PM |
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message news:<Ed5Db.144797$I53.5975390@twister.southeast.rr.com>...
"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:82539$3fdcd902$51569c09$22418@nf2.news-service.com...
Fester wrote:
"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c1883$3fdcbd2d$51569c09$14161@nf2.news-service.com...
Fred Stone wrote:
JTEM wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
BAGHDAD, Iraq ? U.S. troops captured Saddam Hussein
(search), the former Iraqi dictator and most-wanted figure
by the U.S.-led coalition,
And it only took one war and almost 500 U.S. service men killed,
plus about 1000 wounded.
That's quite an accomplishment.
And well worth the sacrifice by our courageous troops.
It's easy to say that when you're not the one being sacrificed.
And it's easy to deny that it was worth it, when you're not an Iraqi
being
*****-hammered on a daily basis by Saddam.
If the Iraqi people have a problem with their leader, it's up to them -
not
us - to deal with him. The Iranians managed to get rid of their CIA
sponsored despot, so there's no reason to suppose the Iraqis couldn't have
done the same.
And I suppose your enlightened opinion applied to Milosovic as well. Or was
it only OK for a Democrat pres to depose a murderous thug in the name of
human rights?
The US got into that because the war in the former Yugoslavia was
causing thousands of refugees to stream into Western Europe and the
war furthermore threatened to destabilize the whole surrounding region
(with guns and militia fighters running around), an area which happens
to be in Western Europe's back yard. We are their allies, so we got
dragged into helping them out.
Yugoslavia was an international effort, and Milosevic was tried by the
International War Crimes Tribunal.
Our unprovoked invasion of Iraq, however, was done against the wishes
of our allies. It was also a poorly-defined mission that went against
the wishes of our own military. It has played right into the hands of
Al Qaeda, however. Hussein was an enemy of Bin Laden. Now Iraq is a
one-country Al Qaeda recruitment station. Good work, Dubya.
-Hypatia Kosh
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Let tyrants shake their iron rod
And slav'ry clank her galling chains
We fear them not; we trust in God
New England's God forever reigns.
Chester, William Billings circa 1777
1783: Massachusetts SJC Outlaws Slavery
2003: Massachusetts SJC Legalizes Gay Marriage
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| User: "386sx" |
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14 Dec 2003 04:27:51 PM |
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Fester writes:
And I suppose your enlightened opinion applied to Milosovic as well. Or
was it only OK for a Democrat pres to depose a murderous thug in the name
of human rights?
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3711360/
"Saddam was later described as resigned and submissive, bewildered and
disoriented. He apparently bumped his head as he was pulled out of the
hole."
Yeah. I'll bet.
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"If you believe what you like in the Gospel, and reject what you like - it
is not the Gospel you believe, but yourselves." - St. Agustine
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| User: "Fester" |
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14 Dec 2003 06:39:56 PM |
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"386sx" <386sx@email.com> wrote in message
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Fester writes:
And I suppose your enlightened opinion applied to Milosovic as well. Or
was it only OK for a Democrat pres to depose a murderous thug in the
name
of human rights?
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3711360/
"Saddam was later described as resigned and submissive, bewildered and
disoriented. He apparently bumped his head as he was pulled out of the
hole."
Yeah. I'll bet.
Your point? Do you even have one, or are you just sad because we got the
MoFo?
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| User: "386sx" |
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14 Dec 2003 10:33:44 PM |
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Fester writes:
386sx wrote:
Fester writes:
And I suppose your enlightened opinion applied to Milosovic as well.
Or was it only OK for a Democrat pres to depose a murderous thug in the
name of human rights?
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3711360/
"Saddam was later described as resigned and submissive, bewildered and
disoriented. He apparently bumped his head as he was pulled out of the
hole."
Yeah. I'll bet.
Your point? Do you even have one, or are you just sad because we got the
MoFo?
I really don't see how you could have detected a tone of sadness from "Yeah.
I'll bet." My guess would be that you're projecting. Anyways, the point I
was making was that I'm worried he might get off on some technicality, and
then turn around and sue the government for millions, the way Rodney King
did. Let's keep our fingers crossed folks.
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"If you believe what you like in the Gospel, and reject what you like - it
is not the Gospel you believe, but yourselves." - St. Agustine
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| User: "Fester" |
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15 Dec 2003 04:45:52 AM |
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"386sx" <386sx@email.com> wrote in message
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Fester writes:
386sx wrote:
Fester writes:
And I suppose your enlightened opinion applied to Milosovic as well.
Or was it only OK for a Democrat pres to depose a murderous thug in
the
name of human rights?
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3711360/
"Saddam was later described as resigned and submissive, bewildered and
disoriented. He apparently bumped his head as he was pulled out of the
hole."
Yeah. I'll bet.
Your point? Do you even have one, or are you just sad because we got
the
MoFo?
I really don't see how you could have detected a tone of sadness from
"Yeah.
I'll bet." My guess would be that you're projecting. Anyways, the point
I
was making was that I'm worried he might get off on some technicality, and
then turn around and sue the government for millions, the way Rodney King
did. Let's keep our fingers crossed folks.
What I read was overt sarcasm. And your suggestion that he might ever see
the light of day because of a bump on the head (gee did they read him his
Miranda rights?) is absoutely ludicrous.
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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14 Dec 2003 05:05:30 PM |
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Fester wrote:
"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:82539$3fdcd902$51569c09$22418@nf2.news-service.com...
Fester wrote:
"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c1883$3fdcbd2d$51569c09$14161@nf2.news-service.com...
Fred Stone wrote:
JTEM wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
BAGHDAD, Iraq ? U.S. troops captured Saddam Hussein
(search), the former Iraqi dictator and most-wanted figure
by the U.S.-led coalition,
And it only took one war and almost 500 U.S. service men killed,
plus about 1000 wounded.
That's quite an accomplishment.
And well worth the sacrifice by our courageous troops.
It's easy to say that when you're not the one being sacrificed.
And it's easy to deny that it was worth it, when you're not an Iraqi
being
*****-hammered on a daily basis by Saddam.
If the Iraqi people have a problem with their leader, it's up to them -
not
us - to deal with him. The Iranians managed to get rid of their CIA
sponsored despot, so there's no reason to suppose the Iraqis couldn't
have done the same.
And I suppose your enlightened opinion applied to Milosovic as well. Or
was it only OK for a Democrat pres to depose a murderous thug in the name
of human rights?
Correct. I didn't support the Balkans campaign, either.
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "Fester" |
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14 Dec 2003 06:40:34 PM |
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"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Fester wrote:
"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:82539$3fdcd902$51569c09$22418@nf2.news-service.com...
Fester wrote:
"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c1883$3fdcbd2d$51569c09$14161@nf2.news-service.com...
Fred Stone wrote:
JTEM wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
BAGHDAD, Iraq ? U.S. troops captured Saddam Hussein
(search), the former Iraqi dictator and most-wanted figure
by the U.S.-led coalition,
And it only took one war and almost 500 U.S. service men killed,
plus about 1000 wounded.
That's quite an accomplishment.
And well worth the sacrifice by our courageous troops.
It's easy to say that when you're not the one being sacrificed.
And it's easy to deny that it was worth it, when you're not an Iraqi
being
*****-hammered on a daily basis by Saddam.
If the Iraqi people have a problem with their leader, it's up to them -
not
us - to deal with him. The Iranians managed to get rid of their CIA
sponsored despot, so there's no reason to suppose the Iraqis couldn't
have done the same.
And I suppose your enlightened opinion applied to Milosovic as well. Or
was it only OK for a Democrat pres to depose a murderous thug in the
name
of human rights?
Correct. I didn't support the Balkans campaign, either.
Good, so you're a consistent self-absorbed POS.
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14 Dec 2003 04:02:20 PM |
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Kevin Anthoney wrote:
Fester wrote:
"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c1883$3fdcbd2d$51569c09$14161@nf2.news-service.com...
Fred Stone wrote:
JTEM wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
BAGHDAD, Iraq ? U.S. troops captured Saddam Hussein
(search), the former Iraqi dictator and most-wanted figure
by the U.S.-led coalition,
And it only took one war and almost 500 U.S. service men killed,
plus about 1000 wounded.
That's quite an accomplishment.
And well worth the sacrifice by our courageous troops.
It's easy to say that when you're not the one being sacrificed.
And it's easy to deny that it was worth it, when you're not an Iraqi being
*****-hammered on a daily basis by Saddam.
If the Iraqi people have a problem with their leader, it's up to them - not
us - to deal with him.
Yes, well, we had a problem with him too.
The Iranians managed to get rid of their CIA
sponsored despot, so there's no reason to suppose the Iraqis couldn't have
done the same.
So the more effective the despot is at suppressing revolt the more
legitimate his rule is?
--
Fred Stone
Illegitimi non Carborundum
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| User: "Hypatia Kosh" |
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15 Dec 2003 10:45:59 PM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message news:<vtpng9bo0jm5e0@news.supernews.com>...
Kevin Anthoney wrote:
Fester wrote:
"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c1883$3fdcbd2d$51569c09$14161@nf2.news-service.com...
Fred Stone wrote:
JTEM wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
BAGHDAD, Iraq ? U.S. troops captured Saddam Hussein
(search), the former Iraqi dictator and most-wanted figure
by the U.S.-led coalition,
And it only took one war and almost 500 U.S. service men killed,
plus about 1000 wounded.
That's quite an accomplishment.
And well worth the sacrifice by our courageous troops.
It's easy to say that when you're not the one being sacrificed.
And it's easy to deny that it was worth it, when you're not an Iraqi being
*****-hammered on a daily basis by Saddam.
If the Iraqi people have a problem with their leader, it's up to them - not
us - to deal with him.
Yes, well, we had a problem with him too.
When are you going to have a problem with the leaders of Indonesia,
China, the Phillipines, Pakistan, et al.?
No, the way it works is that we have a little list of leaders who are
our friends (we pull their strings), leaders who are not our friends
(we don't), and leaders of countries too powerful for us to kick over
(but we might try to subvert their elections anyway, such as in
Australia).
This business about democracy is just ideological claptrap. The US
Gov't actually hates foreign democracies, as they cause too many
problems for US businesses and they don't always get on the bus for US
military strategy.
-Hypatia Kosh
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Let tyrants shake their iron rod
And slav'ry clank her galling chains
We fear them not; we trust in God
New England's God forever reigns.
Chester, William Billings circa 1777
1783: Massachusetts SJC Outlaws Slavery
2003: Massachusetts SJC Legalizes Gay Marriage
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Ladies and gentlement, we got him! |
15 Dec 2003 11:38:09 PM |
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Hypatia Kosh wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message news:<vtpng9bo0jm5e0@news.supernews.com>...
Kevin Anthoney wrote:
Fester wrote:
"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c1883$3fdcbd2d$51569c09$14161@nf2.news-service.com...
Fred Stone wrote:
JTEM wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
BAGHDAD, Iraq ? U.S. troops captured Saddam Hussein
(search), the former Iraqi dictator and most-wanted figure
by the U.S.-led coalition,
And it only took one war and almost 500 U.S. service men killed,
plus about 1000 wounded.
That's quite an accomplishment.
And well worth the sacrifice by our courageous troops.
It's easy to say that when you're not the one being sacrificed.
And it's easy to deny that it was worth it, when you're not an Iraqi being
*****-hammered on a daily basis by Saddam.
If the Iraqi people have a problem with their leader, it's up to them - not
us - to deal with him.
Yes, well, we had a problem with him too.
When are you going to have a problem with the leaders of Indonesia,
China, the Phillipines, Pakistan, et al.?
Why should we?
No, the way it works is that we have a little list of leaders who are
our friends (we pull their strings), leaders who are not our friends
(we don't),
No, we yank their chains. ;-)
and leaders of countries too powerful for us to kick over
(but we might try to subvert their elections anyway, such as in
Australia).
And they try to manipulate ours.
This business about democracy is just ideological claptrap. The US
Gov't actually hates foreign democracies, as they cause too many
problems for US businesses and they don't always get on the bus for US
military strategy.
Ahh, the Cold War. We didn't much give a damn about their type of
government, it was whether they were cozy with the Soviets.
--
Fred Stone
Illegitimi non Carborundum
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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| Title: Re: Ladies and gentlement, we got him! |
14 Dec 2003 05:01:20 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
Kevin Anthoney wrote:
Fester wrote:
"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c1883$3fdcbd2d$51569c09$14161@nf2.news-service.com...
Fred Stone wrote:
JTEM wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
BAGHDAD, Iraq ? U.S. troops captured Saddam Hussein
(search), the former Iraqi dictator and most-wanted figure
by the U.S.-led coalition,
And it only took one war and almost 500 U.S. service men killed,
plus about 1000 wounded.
That's quite an accomplishment.
And well worth the sacrifice by our courageous troops.
It's easy to say that when you're not the one being sacrificed.
And it's easy to deny that it was worth it, when you're not an Iraqi
being *****-hammered on a daily basis by Saddam.
If the Iraqi people have a problem with their leader, it's up to them -
not us - to deal with him.
Yes, well, we had a problem with him too.
Yeah, he was sitting on ***** Cheney's oil fields. But I was addressing
Fester's specific point.
The Iranians managed to get rid of their CIA
sponsored despot, so there's no reason to suppose the Iraqis couldn't
have done the same.
So the more effective the despot is at suppressing revolt the more
legitimate his rule is?
Tricky, isn't it? It's a nice, romantic notion to think you can just go
round there, beat up the bad guy and everybody will live happily ever
after. It's just a pity reality doesn't work like that.
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "Fester" |
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| Title: Re: Ladies and gentlement, we got him! |
14 Dec 2003 06:44:10 PM |
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"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bef70$3fdcebc0$51569c09$25581@nf2.news-service.com...
Fred Stone wrote:
Kevin Anthoney wrote:
Fester wrote:
"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c1883$3fdcbd2d$51569c09$14161@nf2.news-service.com...
Fred Stone wrote:
JTEM wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
BAGHDAD, Iraq ? U.S. troops captured Saddam Hussein
(search), the former Iraqi dictator and most-wanted figure
by the U.S.-led coalition,
And it only took one war and almost 500 U.S. service men killed,
plus about 1000 wounded.
That's quite an accomplishment.
And well worth the sacrifice by our courageous troops.
It's easy to say that when you're not the one being sacrificed.
And it's easy to deny that it was worth it, when you're not an Iraqi
being *****-hammered on a daily basis by Saddam.
If the Iraqi people have a problem with their leader, it's up to them -
not us - to deal with him.
Yes, well, we had a problem with him too.
Yeah, he was sitting on ***** Cheney's oil fields. But I was addressing
Fester's specific point.
The Iranians managed to get rid of their CIA
sponsored despot, so there's no reason to suppose the Iraqis couldn't
have done the same.
So the more effective the despot is at suppressing revolt the more
legitimate his rule is?
Tricky, isn't it? It's a nice, romantic notion to think you can just go
round there, beat up the bad guy and everybody will live happily ever
after. It's just a pity reality doesn't work like that.
Not that you've asked the Iraqis for their opinion, nor the Panamanians, nor
the Serbs, to name a few.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Ladies and gentlement, we got him! |
14 Dec 2003 09:39:44 PM |
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:ut7Db.140273$dl.5718880@twister.southeast.rr.com...
<snip>
Not that you've asked the Iraqis for their opinion, nor the Panamanians,
nor
the Serbs, to name a few.
Haven't really had to in the case of the Iraqi. More soldiers have been
killed since May than in the first three years of Vietnam.
I was drafted in 1963 and during basic training the army gave us information
about guerrilla warfare.
There lectures and films taught that such action could not be maintained
without the will of the people.
The guerillas were the "fish" and the people were the "water".
They used the French resistance in WWII to demonstrate what happens when the
people of a country support the resistance. It goes on no matter what the
cost to the people.
They used an upraising in the Philippines to show the opposite.
The resistance continues In Iraq.
The resistance increases in Iraq.
We don't have to ask, they are speaking now.
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| User: "Fester" |
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| Title: Re: Ladies and gentlement, we got him! |
15 Dec 2003 04:43:46 AM |
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"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:42aDb.458104$0v4.21040811@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:ut7Db.140273$dl.5718880@twister.southeast.rr.com...
<snip>
Not that you've asked the Iraqis for their opinion, nor the Panamanians,
nor
the Serbs, to name a few.
Haven't really had to in the case of the Iraqi. More soldiers have been
killed since May than in the first three years of Vietnam.
I was drafted in 1963 and during basic training the army gave us
information
about guerrilla warfare.
There lectures and films taught that such action could not be maintained
without the will of the people.
The guerillas were the "fish" and the people were the "water".
They used the French resistance in WWII to demonstrate what happens when
the
people of a country support the resistance. It goes on no matter what the
cost to the people.
They used an upraising in the Philippines to show the opposite.
The resistance continues In Iraq.
The resistance increases in Iraq.
We don't have to ask, they are speaking now.
Not just speaking, but cheering Saddam's capture. The remaining assholes in
Iraq do not have popular support, and that is why we'll win.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Ladies and gentlement, we got him! |
15 Dec 2003 05:16:49 AM |
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:43:46 GMT, "Fester" <not@home.com> wrote:
Not just speaking, but cheering Saddam's capture. The remaining assholes in
Iraq do not have popular support, and that is why we'll win.
Except of course that they hate us as much if not more than they hated
Hussein.
The occupying forces have no idea how to behave towards the civilian
population. What was that about winning hearts and minds again?
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Ladies and gentlement, we got him! |
15 Dec 2003 06:35:08 AM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote:
Not just speaking, but cheering Saddam's capture. The remaining
assholes in Iraq do not have popular support, and that is why we'll
win.
Except of course that they hate us as much if not more than they hated
Hussein.
[Vioce at a whisper]
Pssst. Don't tell fester, but he & the rest of the neo-cons have been
telling
us for more than a year now that Saddam had no "popular support."
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| User: "Fester" |
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| Title: Re: Ladies and gentlement, we got him! |
15 Dec 2003 06:01:48 AM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:tu5rtvolke1bh1tmf3tidkt6dt843i2hf9@4ax.com...
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:43:46 GMT, "Fester" <not@home.com> wrote:
Not just speaking, but cheering Saddam's capture. The remaining assholes
in
Iraq do not have popular support, and that is why we'll win.
Except of course that they hate us as much if not more than they hated
Hussein.
The occupying forces have no idea how to behave towards the civilian
population. What was that about winning hearts and minds again?
Just what are you on about now? First you tell me that the people are
supporting the terrorists. Now you tell me that they're resentful of the
people who freed them from and just captured Saddam. You must not have seen
the news, because if you had, you would have seen lots of Union Jacks and
Stars and Stripes being waved by happy Iraqis.
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