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Religions > Atheism |
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"Therion Ware" |
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08 Oct 2003 12:15:53 PM |
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OT: Letter in the local paper! |
Not atheism, but another subject:
Stevenage Herald, Oct 8th, 2003.
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Sir
Your page one story eloquently illustrates the "hell," drugs can put
families through. It does not however address the root cause of these
problems or propose any solution except more intrusive police work.
Illegal drugs certainly cause suffering to people, primarily the
millions of burglary, mugging, car-crime and petty crime victims as
addicts seek to pay for their habit. They are certainly a threat to
society, primarily in that the unimaginably vast profits of the
illegal trade in drugs creates the actuality of unimaginable
corruption. Illegal drugs also cost society a fortune bearing in mind
that a figure approaching 70% of the UK prison population is inside
for offences that are related to illegal drugs in one way or another.
Will for example, proposed legislation to hand out 5 year terms to
those who carry a gun dissuade someone who can make tens of thousands
of pounds a week from his illegal trade from carrying it? Personally I
think not: he's more worried about his armed "business rivals" than a
theoretical jail term.
Legalisation will create new addicts. People will die as a result of
legal drugs (but probably fewer as a percentage of addicts given
regulated doses of known purity). There is no denying this.
But to legalise will remove the incentive to commit crime to pay for
the habit (who gets mugged or has their house or car broken into for
the price of a packet of cigarettes?), will remove the potential for
corruption because the money simply won't be there and as a
consequence the prison population will decrease significantly. Profits
from the government drug trade could pay for realistic drug education
campaigns and not the councils of perfection we see today that
resemble nothing if not Roman Catholic lectures on morality in AIDS
stricken Africa, and are about as useful and (more importantly)
effective.
The alternative to legalisation? Either the situation we have today,
where prohibition simply doesn't work and drug related crime and
corruption increase daily, or a level of policing to enforce
prohibition that is simply unacceptable in a free society.
In short the question of legalisation revolves around the welfare of
the victim, and the victim is not the addict or potential addict but
society at large and the victims of drug related crime, which is to
say you and me.
Yours Sincerely,
Therion Ware.
Stevenage.
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| User: "Sean C" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Letter in the local paper! |
08 Oct 2003 02:07:52 PM |
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In article <bpb8ovoi8omb1l9pl3hnj3gv52hs4ulfh8@4ax.com>, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Not atheism, but another subject:
Stevenage Herald, Oct 8th, 2003.
<start>
Sir
Your page one story eloquently illustrates the "hell," drugs can put
families through. It does not however address the root cause of these
problems or propose any solution except more intrusive police work.
Illegal drugs certainly cause suffering to people, primarily the
millions of burglary, mugging, car-crime and petty crime victims as
addicts seek to pay for their habit. They are certainly a threat to
society, primarily in that the unimaginably vast profits of the
illegal trade in drugs creates the actuality of unimaginable
corruption. Illegal drugs also cost society a fortune bearing in mind
that a figure approaching 70% of the UK prison population is inside
for offences that are related to illegal drugs in one way or another.
Will for example, proposed legislation to hand out 5 year terms to
those who carry a gun dissuade someone who can make tens of thousands
of pounds a week from his illegal trade from carrying it? Personally I
think not: he's more worried about his armed "business rivals" than a
theoretical jail term.
Legalisation will create new addicts. People will die as a result of
legal drugs (but probably fewer as a percentage of addicts given
regulated doses of known purity). There is no denying this.
But to legalise will remove the incentive to commit crime to pay for
the habit (who gets mugged or has their house or car broken into for
the price of a packet of cigarettes?), will remove the potential for
corruption because the money simply won't be there and as a
consequence the prison population will decrease significantly. Profits
from the government drug trade could pay for realistic drug education
campaigns and not the councils of perfection we see today that
resemble nothing if not Roman Catholic lectures on morality in AIDS
stricken Africa, and are about as useful and (more importantly)
effective.
The alternative to legalisation? Either the situation we have today,
where prohibition simply doesn't work and drug related crime and
corruption increase daily, or a level of policing to enforce
prohibition that is simply unacceptable in a free society.
In short the question of legalisation revolves around the welfare of
the victim, and the victim is not the addict or potential addict but
society at large and the victims of drug related crime, which is to
say you and me.
Yours Sincerely,
Therion Ware.
Stevenage.
<end>
They actually published as "Name Supplied, Stevenage, via e-mail".
Well said. Another little known aspect of drug prohibition is that it
makes it extremely difficult for people with chronic pain to obtain
pain relief. The drugs of choice for the majority of severe chronic
pain conditions are narcotics like morphine and oxycodone, and in the
US at least, many doctors (rightly or wrongly) are paranoid about
prescribing these drugs due to fear of excessive regulatory scrutiny.
It is estimated that there at least 50 million people in the US with
chronic pain, of whom some 26 million could be said to have pain severe
enough to warrant treatment with opiates. 50 percent of these patients
do not receive any treatment for their pain or receive inadequate
treatment. It is estimated that 90 percent of patients with end-of-life
pain can have their pain successfully treated, yet fewer than 50
percent do, leaving the others to die in horrific pain. It is further
estimated that some 15,000 chronic pain patients commit suicide every
year due to inadequate pain relief, not to mention the thousands who
die from heart disease, adult-onset diabetes and other health
consequences related to the lack of exercise and lifestyle some with
chronic pain are forced to endure.
Compare this with the approximately 2,200 who die from drug abuse every
year, and you begin to realize that the "Drug War" is a manufactured
crisis, and a virtual holocaust compared to the realities of drug
addiction.
Sean C
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| User: "Craig McDonald" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Letter in the local paper! |
08 Oct 2003 05:01:18 PM |
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On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 18:15:53 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Not atheism, but another subject:
Stevenage Herald, Oct 8th, 2003.
<start>
Sir
<snip>
Very well said, Therion.
One thing, though.... Stevenage!? You just took a nosedive in my
estimations.
;)
Red Celt
aa#883
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Boy, I've never seen an issue so divisive. It's like a civil war,
isn't it? Even amongst my friends, who are all very intelligent
people, they are totally divided on abortion. Some of my friends, for
instance, think these pro-life people are annoying idiots. Others of
my friends think these pro-life people are evil fucks.
How are we going to come to a consensus?
You want to hear the arguments around my house.
"They're annoying!"
"They're idiots!"
"They're evil!"
"They're fucks!"
Brothers, sisters come together! Can't we once just join hands and
think of them as evil annoying idiot fucks?
-- the late great Bill Hicks
"There are bits of banana peel floating up Belfast Lough that know
more about Irish politics than our JTEM." -- Chesney Christ
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Letter in the local paper! |
09 Oct 2003 12:12:30 AM |
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On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 23:01:18 +0100 in alt.atheism, Craig McDonald
(Craig McDonald <rcd@craigmcdonald.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 18:15:53 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Not atheism, but another subject:
Stevenage Herald, Oct 8th, 2003.
<start>
Sir
<snip>
Very well said, Therion.
One thing, though.... Stevenage!? You just took a nosedive in my
estimations.
;)
I'll have you know we have a real bookshop these days so it's getting
on for a veritable cultural paradise.
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: <http://www.Video2CD.com>. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
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