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"Andres64" |
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08 Jan 2004 01:30:27 PM |
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OT: Lies, lies, lies yeah... |
Iraq WMD threat 'misrepresented'
Bush administration officials have been accused of misrepresenting the
threat from Iraqi weapons of mass destruction.
The accusation comes in a report from the influential left-of-centre
Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, which opposed the war in
Iraq.
It also says there was no evidence for the claim that Saddam Hussein
would give such weapons to terrorists.
The US and UK cited concerns over weapons of mass destruction to justify
the invasion of Iraq last March.
Meanwhile, a 400-strong US team of weapons disposal experts is being
withdrawn from Iraq.
US Government officials confirmed reports in the New York Times that the
mission was being wrapped up, but stressed that the team had finished
its work.
The newspaper reported that 400 - out of a team of 1,400 - had been
assigned to search for depots for missile launchers and other equipment
that might be used in conjunction with weapons of mass destruction.
'Future threat'
The Carnegie Endowment said it had studied hundreds of documents and
interviewed dozens of specialists for its report WMD: Evidence and
Implications.
There was no evidence to support the claim that Iraq would have
transferred WMD to al-Qaeda and much evidence to counter it
Carnegie report
The report says there was "no convincing evidence" that Iraq had
reconstituted its nuclear programme.
There was greater uncertainty about its biological weapons, it
continues, but the threat related to what could be developed in future
rather than what Iraq actually had.
The report says it was unlikely Iraq could have destroyed, hidden or
moved large amounts of chemical and biological weapons without the
United States detecting some sign of activity.
And it adds: "There was no evidence to support the claim that Iraq would
have transferred WMD to al-Qaeda and much evidence to counter it."
The study concludes that while the long-term threat from Iraq could not
be ignored, it was being contained by a combination of UN weapons
inspections, international sanctions and limited US-led military action.
"Administration officials systematically misrepresented the threat from
Iraq's WMD and ballistic missile programmes," it contends.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/americas/3378467.stm
Published: 2004/01/08 18:51:27 GMT
© BBC MMIV
The problem with political jokes is they get elected.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Lies, lies, lies yeah... and more lies |
08 Jan 2004 01:50:22 PM |
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"Andres64" <AndresC64DONTSPAM@excite.com> wrote
Iraq WMD threat 'misrepresented'
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/americas/3378467.stm
Report says Iraq didn't have WMD
Author: Political pressure influenced intelligence before war
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/01/08/sprj.nirq.wmd.report/index.html
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| User: "Andres64" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Lies, lies, lies yeah... |
08 Jan 2004 01:43:38 PM |
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**************POT****************
And another thing...
Iraq weapons report draws another blank
By Paul Reynolds
BBC News Online world affairs correspondent
The latest assessment of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction is scornful
of the way intelligence was presented and goes beyond concluding that
Iraq was not an imminent threat - it calls for an end to the US doctrine
of pre-emptive war.
The report is from the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, a
liberal think tank in Washington, which opposed the war, arguing that UN
inspections should continue.
In its 111-page report, it takes the debate beyond the issue of Iraq
into the question of how threats are assessed in the future and what the
response should be.
Among its recommendations: The US National Security Strategy should be
revised to eliminate the doctrine of "unilateral preventive war" which
it calls "pre-emptive war in absence of imminent threat."
An independent commission should be set up to establish a clear picture
of what the intelligence community knew and believed it knew.
The head of the CIA should perhaps be a career post instead of a
political appointment.
The UN should set up a permanent non-proliferation inspections
capability.
Distinctions should be recognised in the degree of threat presented by
different kinds of weapons of mass destruction.
The assertion that the threat of evil states and international terrorism
calls for acting on the worst-case scenario should be examined.
Undue influence
Underlying the whole report and its conclusions is scepticism about the
way intelligence was assessed and presented.
As far as the WMD were concerned, it concluded:
Iraq's nuclear programme had been suspended for many years. Iraq
focussed on preserving a dual-use chemical and problem biological
weapons capability but not on weapons production. Iraqi nerve agents had
lost most of their lethality by 1991.
The intelligence community overestimated the chemical and biological
weapons in Iraq.
Intelligence agencies appear to have been unduly influenced by
policymakers' views. Officials misrepresented the threat over and above
intelligence findings.
There was no solid evidence linking Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda, nor
evidence that Iraq would transfer WMD to terrorists.
Among the examples quoted of how officials went beyond the known facts
to exaggerate the threat was a comment from President Bush who said:
"The regime was forced to admit that it had produced more than 30,000
litres of anthrax and other deadly biological agents."
In fact, the report notes, UN inspectors had commented only that Iraq
might have imported enough growth media to produce these amounts, not
quite the same thing.
This is an echo of the claim that Iraq had VX nerve agent. All that the
UN ever said was that there was material unaccounted for. Iraq always
said that it had been destroyed.
Violations
The assessment dismisses other claims - that Iraq had been seeking
uranium from Niger; that it had developed unmanned aircraft to spray
chemical and biological weapons; that it had Scud missiles hidden away.
It also plays down the finding of a vial of botulinum in a fridge,
saying that experts had concluded that it was very old and not the most
toxic strain.
But in one area, it does accept that Iraq was acting in violation of UN
sanctions. It had developed its al Samoud rocket by more than the 150
kilometres permitted, albeit by only 30 km. The rockets were destroyed
by the inspectors.
The report also acknowledges that Iraq probably intended to develop a
1000 km range missile.
This intention has been confirmed in an interview by the Washington Post
with a leading Iraqi scientist, Modher Sadeq-Saba Tamimi. He said that
he had made drawings of such a rocket which would have used parts from
the al Samoud.
The Carnegie report takes its place among other assessments which have
drawn a blank on Iraq's WMD.
The report which everyone is now waiting for is the conclusion of the
Iraq Survey group, the American led effort on WMD carried out after the
war.
It issued an interim report in October stating: "We have discovered
dozens of WMD-related program activities and significant amounts of
equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations during the
inspections that began in late 2002."
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/americas/3380645.stm
Published: 2004/01/08 18:07:06 GMT
© BBC MMIV
Andres64 wrote:
Iraq WMD threat 'misrepresented'
Bush administration officials have been accused of misrepresenting the
threat from Iraqi weapons of mass destruction.
The accusation comes in a report from the influential left-of-centre
Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, which opposed the war in
Iraq.
It also says there was no evidence for the claim that Saddam Hussein
would give such weapons to terrorists.
The US and UK cited concerns over weapons of mass destruction to justify
the invasion of Iraq last March.
Meanwhile, a 400-strong US team of weapons disposal experts is being
withdrawn from Iraq.
US Government officials confirmed reports in the New York Times that the
mission was being wrapped up, but stressed that the team had finished
its work.
The newspaper reported that 400 - out of a team of 1,400 - had been
assigned to search for depots for missile launchers and other equipment
that might be used in conjunction with weapons of mass destruction.
'Future threat'
The Carnegie Endowment said it had studied hundreds of documents and
interviewed dozens of specialists for its report WMD: Evidence and
Implications.
There was no evidence to support the claim that Iraq would have
transferred WMD to al-Qaeda and much evidence to counter it
Carnegie report
The report says there was "no convincing evidence" that Iraq had
reconstituted its nuclear programme.
There was greater uncertainty about its biological weapons, it
continues, but the threat related to what could be developed in future
rather than what Iraq actually had.
The report says it was unlikely Iraq could have destroyed, hidden or
moved large amounts of chemical and biological weapons without the
United States detecting some sign of activity.
And it adds: "There was no evidence to support the claim that Iraq would
have transferred WMD to al-Qaeda and much evidence to counter it."
The study concludes that while the long-term threat from Iraq could not
be ignored, it was being contained by a combination of UN weapons
inspections, international sanctions and limited US-led military action.
"Administration officials systematically misrepresented the threat from
Iraq's WMD and ballistic missile programmes," it contends.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/americas/3378467.stm
Published: 2004/01/08 18:51:27 GMT
© BBC MMIV
The problem with political jokes is they get elected.
-- Henry Cate
--
Andres64
a.a. #1624
Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we
fall.
- Confucius
--
Andres64
a.a. #1624
Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we
fall.
- Confucius
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| User: "Fester" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Lies, lies, lies yeah... |
09 Jan 2004 05:53:30 AM |
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<snip>
The report is from the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, a
liberal think tank in Washington, which opposed the war, arguing that UN
inspections should continue.
'Nuff said.
<snip>
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Lies, lies, lies yeah... |
10 Jan 2004 03:47:39 AM |
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote
The report is from the Carnegie Endowment for
International Peace, a liberal think tank in
Washington, which opposed the war, arguing
that UN inspections should continue.
'Nuff said.
Because the U.N. inspections were demonstrating that
there was no reason to go to war, no doubt.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Lies, lies, lies yeah... |
08 Jan 2004 02:33:45 PM |
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"Andres64" <AndresC64DONTSPAM@excite.com> wrote
Iraq weapons report draws another blank
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/americas/3380645.stm
Report says Iraq didn't have WMD
Author: Political pressure influenced intelligence before war
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/01/08/sprj.nirq.wmd.report/index.html
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