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"Enkidu" |
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27 Jul 2004 07:04:32 PM |
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OT: Linux install question. |
If I wanted to run Linux from an external hard drive in a laptop that
boots from that external drive, could I pop open the drive, install the
IDE drive in another system and install Linux to that system, then put
the drive back in the external system and boot from it?
The reason I ask is that I can't get a distro to install directly to the
external drive.
--
Enkidu
"Go forth, and be excellent to each other"
- Bill & Ted
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| User: "Ichimusai" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Linux install question. |
28 Jul 2004 10:41:07 AM |
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Enkidu <zwi6iv402@sneakemail.com> writes:
If I wanted to run Linux from an external hard drive in a laptop that
boots from that external drive, could I pop open the drive, install the
IDE drive in another system and install Linux to that system, then put
the drive back in the external system and boot from it?
The reason I ask is that I can't get a distro to install directly to the
external drive.
First of all, how is the external drive connected to your laptop? You
linux distribution must be able to use your mass storage device
properly from the bootloading stage - that is, you can not rely on
windows drivers for it to work, the BIOS or the Linux kernel of your
choice must be able to recognize, configure and communicate with your
device from boot time and forth.
I have a 1394 cabinet with a IDE-drive connected to my system, but it
took some ugly hacking before it worked out fine. And I still can not
boot from it. I just use it to store stuff on it for my FTP. 1394 is
about 2 times faster than USB2 was when I compared them both (the same
cabinet have double interface for both USB2 and 1394).
http://ichimusai.dyndns.org/00-unsorted/FireDrive/tn/dscn1709.jpg.html
If you get that sorted, the rest should be pretty simple, yes you can
install Linux on the disk from another machine, but I would not
recommend it because if the installer does autodetect hardware and
configure it at install time you might have different hardware in the
laptop that will be configured wrongly or not at all. But it is
possible since everything can be manually configured afterwards if you
know your way around the system properly.
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Linux install question. |
28 Jul 2004 06:48:09 PM |
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In article <m3fz7cm964.fsf@ichimusai.dyndns.org>,
says...
Enkidu <zwi6iv402@sneakemail.com> writes:
If I wanted to run Linux from an external hard drive in a laptop that
boots from that external drive, could I pop open the drive, install the
IDE drive in another system and install Linux to that system, then put
the drive back in the external system and boot from it?
The reason I ask is that I can't get a distro to install directly to the
external drive.
First of all, how is the external drive connected to your laptop? You
linux distribution must be able to use your mass storage device
properly from the bootloading stage - that is, you can not rely on
windows drivers for it to work, the BIOS or the Linux kernel of your
choice must be able to recognize, configure and communicate with your
device from boot time and forth.
USB2. The BIOS will recognize and boot from the USB drive. I've tried
by installing Win98 and booting from the USB.
I have a 1394 cabinet with a IDE-drive connected to my system, but it
took some ugly hacking before it worked out fine. And I still can not
boot from it. I just use it to store stuff on it for my FTP. 1394 is
about 2 times faster than USB2 was when I compared them both (the same
cabinet have double interface for both USB2 and 1394).
Not an option, though I have heard that as well.
http://ichimusai.dyndns.org/00-unsorted/FireDrive/tn/dscn1709.jpg.html
If you get that sorted, the rest should be pretty simple, yes you can
install Linux on the disk from another machine, but I would not
recommend it because if the installer does autodetect hardware and
configure it at install time you might have different hardware in the
laptop that will be configured wrongly or not at all. But it is
possible since everything can be manually configured afterwards if you
know your way around the system properly.
If I knew my way around Linux, I expect I'd not be here asking for
advice! Ah, well, being less stupid at the end of each day is as good a
goal as any. Thank you for your time. I'll pester you again, no doubt!
--
Enkidu
"Go forth, and be excellent to each other"
- Bill & Ted
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| User: "Ichimusai" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Linux install question. |
28 Jul 2004 07:47:49 PM |
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Enkidu <zwi6iv402@sneakemail.com> writes:
In article <m3fz7cm964.fsf@ichimusai.dyndns.org>,
says...
Enkidu <zwi6iv402@sneakemail.com> writes:
If I wanted to run Linux from an external hard drive in a laptop
that boots from that external drive, could I pop open the drive,
install the IDE drive in another system and install Linux to that
system, then put the drive back in the external system and boot
from it?
The reason I ask is that I can't get a distro to install directly
to the external drive.
First of all, how is the external drive connected to your laptop?
You linux distribution must be able to use your mass storage device
properly from the bootloading stage - that is, you can not rely on
windows drivers for it to work, the BIOS or the Linux kernel of
your choice must be able to recognize, configure and communicate
with your device from boot time and forth.
USB2. The BIOS will recognize and boot from the USB drive. I've
tried by installing Win98 and booting from the USB.
Okay. Usually Linux recognized USB2 mass storage devices as
SCSI-devices, but this is not working for you then? What does it say
in /var/log/messages during detection time?
I have a 1394 cabinet with a IDE-drive connected to my system, but
it took some ugly hacking before it worked out fine. And I still
can not boot from it. I just use it to store stuff on it for my
FTP. 1394 is about 2 times faster than USB2 was when I compared
them both (the same cabinet have double interface for both USB2 and
1394).
Not an option, though I have heard that as well.
http://ichimusai.dyndns.org/00-unsorted/FireDrive/tn/dscn1709.jpg.html
If you get that sorted, the rest should be pretty simple, yes you
can install Linux on the disk from another machine, but I would not
recommend it because if the installer does autodetect hardware and
configure it at install time you might have different hardware in
the laptop that will be configured wrongly or not at all. But it is
possible since everything can be manually configured afterwards if
you know your way around the system properly.
If I knew my way around Linux, I expect I'd not be here asking for
advice! Ah, well, being less stupid at the end of each day is as
good a goal as any. Thank you for your time. I'll pester you again,
no doubt!
No problem, wish I could help you with more specific things, but it's
tough when you can't check the system out.
Remember the logs though, they are often the key to finding out what
the problem is. They contain lots of info if you know how to read
them. And if you don't, post it and someone else will take a shot at
it.
Good luck anyway.
--
Ichimusai http://ichimusai.org/ AA #769 ICQ: 1645566 Yahoo: Ichimusai
MSN: Ichimusai1972 AOL: Ichimusai1972 IRC: Ichimusai@IRCNet
Anthropocene - the geologic epoch in which humans are a
significant and sometimes dominating environmental force
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| User: "Elf M. Sternberg" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Linux install question. |
28 Jul 2004 10:28:00 AM |
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Enkidu <zwi6iv402@sneakemail.com> writes:
If I wanted to run Linux from an external hard drive in a laptop that
boots from that external drive, could I pop open the drive, install the
IDE drive in another system and install Linux to that system, then put
the drive back in the external system and boot from it?
If the target system will boot from the external system
(presumably a BIOS setting), it should work. I've done this myself once
or twice. Remember, though, that you much choose a kernel and
configuration that matches that on the target system, not the install
system. This is harder than it sounds with "friendly" installers, which
probe the box on which they find themselves and do your configuration
for you.
The reason I ask is that I can't get a distro to install directly to the
external drive.
I find that very odd.
Elf
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Linux install question. |
28 Jul 2004 06:41:38 PM |
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In article <87acxkqhhb.fsf@drizzle.com>, says...
Enkidu <zwi6iv402@sneakemail.com> writes:
If I wanted to run Linux from an external hard drive in a laptop that
boots from that external drive, could I pop open the drive, install the
IDE drive in another system and install Linux to that system, then put
the drive back in the external system and boot from it?
If the target system will boot from the external system
(presumably a BIOS setting), it should work. I've done this myself once
or twice. Remember, though, that you much choose a kernel and
configuration that matches that on the target system, not the install
system. This is harder than it sounds with "friendly" installers, which
probe the box on which they find themselves and do your configuration
for you.
The reason I ask is that I can't get a distro to install directly to the
external drive.
I find that very odd.
Craps all over the partition table. I have to remove the drive from the
housing and install it into a Win98 system so I can use fdisk to
repartition before I can do anything else with the drive. Fdisk shows
the Linux partitions that were created during the aborted install.
--
Enkidu
"Go forth, and be excellent to each other"
- Bill & Ted
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Linux install question. |
29 Jul 2004 10:59:47 AM |
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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:04:32 -0700 in episode
<MPG.1b708d6cb6a5c5199899e6@news.west.cox.net> we saw our hero Enkidu
<zwi6iv402@sneakemail.com>:
If I wanted to run Linux from an external hard drive in a laptop that
boots from that external drive, could I pop open the drive, install the
IDE drive in another system and install Linux to that system, then put the
drive back in the external system and boot from it?
The reason I ask is that I can't get a distro to install directly to the
external drive.
It's possible but it gets complicated. The installer program is going to
assume that the machine it's running on is the one to configure things
for. You'll end up needing to do some manual configuration to get the
system bootable on the other machine. It can get sticky.
I'd suggest that before you resort to that, you Google around to see if
you can find anyone who has successfully installed Linux on your laptop
model. Someone may have already figured out how to pull this off and may
have a "how-to" page you could use.
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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