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"Randy Day" |
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09 Dec 2003 12:34:51 AM |
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OT: [LONG] Canadians 'too Patriotic' |
Is the article below a widespread feeling in the
U.S., or did they just get a poorly-selected sample?
Sorry for the length, but this topic pushes buttons
for me. I don't *want* to be considered American;
I'M NOT AMERICAN! I *like* the idea that the Maple
Leaf is as good as a passport just about anywhere
in the world (except, apparently, the U.S.).
Why is it Americans can wave the RedWhite&Blue
till the cows come home, but the rest of us can't?
Are Americans really becoming a bunch of borg-like
assimilationists?
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Atheist Chair,
EAC Disciplinary Committee
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http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=e7dd46c8-4495-4cdc-919c-d58ad8fa7b9c
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Canadians too patriotic, Americans say in study
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OTTAWA - Canadians should be careful not to appear "boastful"
to Americans, who are insecure because of the war in Iraq and
admit they are annoyed by northerners showing off the maple
leaf on their luggage when they travel, a federal report says.
In focus groups held this fall in four U.S. cities where the
federal government is opening consulates, Americans
acknowledged they do not know much about Canadians. Many did
not know Canada did not support the United States in the war
in Iraq. "Some participants expressed a certain amount of
annoyance at what is perceived as a systematic attempt by
Canadians to make the statement that they are not Americans
by sporting the maple leaf,"said the recently released report.
"This underscores the American sensitivity at feeling rejected
by the rest of the world ..."
The report says even Americans who blame the Bush
administration to some extent for their country's poor
relations with the world do not seem to understand why
friendly countries and neighbours such as Canada would want
to distance themselves from Americans. An American from San
Diego is quoted saying: "What bugs me about Canadians, if I
may, is that they wear that damn patch on their bags, the
Canadian flag patch. That way, they differentiate themselves
from us." Canadians are "very patriotic," freely acknowledging
they are from Canada while abroad, observed a respondent from
Raleigh, N.C. "Americans will tend to not even want to tell
people because they think they'll get bad vibes from them," he
added.
The report is based on eight focus groups conducted in
September by Millward Brown Goldfarb in San Diego, Raleigh,
Denver and Houston where Canadian consulates are in the
process of opening. Pierre Bechard, a spokesman for Foreign
Affairs and International Trade Canada, said Millward Brown
Goldfarb was paid $49,543 for the October report and focus
groups.
He said the findings will act as a baseline for the consulates
to work to understand how much Americans understand about
Canada and how they feel about their relationship with their
northern neighbour. From the findings, federal employees
opening the consulates will have their work cut out for them.
Most participants said they were "shocked" by a fact sheet
about Canada that they were given during the focus groups. "A
few express some concern over the U.S.'s implied dependence on
Canada for energy ..."
However, Canada should be careful not to appear 'boastful,'
which could backfire, as Americans do not like to be reminded
of any kind of dependence on another country," the report
warns. It says while there is some resentment over Canada's
refusal to join the Americans in the war with Iraq, it is
currently tempered by "a feeling of uncertainty as to whether
the war should have been waged at all. "Also, unlike France,
which is viewed as having forcefully opposed the States,
Canada is viewed more as having stayed on sidelines."
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| User: "ArWeGod" |
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| Title: Re: [LONG] Canadians 'too Patriotic' |
11 Dec 2003 02:53:54 AM |
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"Randy Day" <ruthal@sasktel.nex> wrote in message
news:3FD56D0B.26496A3F@sasktel.nex...
Is the article below a widespread feeling in the
U.S., or did they just get a poorly-selected sample?
An American from San
Diego is quoted saying: "What bugs me about Canadians, if I
may, is that they wear that damn patch on their bags, the
Canadian flag patch. That way, they differentiate themselves
from us."
Get oot, eh!?
And those fucking Mexicans are doing the opposite!
When I backpacked through Europe, as a Canadian, I was given a patch to sew
onto my pack by a fellow Canadien (which I later did). I was a newbie, and
he explained that people would treat me better, and pick me up when I
hitchhiked, etc, if they saw it. I later met others with the flag -
including AMERICANS who wanted the same, better, treatment. Fuckin' hosers,
eh!?!
Of course, it was easy to see who's who traveling, because the Canadian
passport is blue (and only 5 years), but the American one is green (and good
for 10). So at the first passport stop, it was, "Hey! Why the hell do you
have that!" And, the Canadian one actually looks like the person holding
it. I saw some girls with pictures that looked 12 yrs old and they were
totally different people! I'm surprised they got around, well, maybe not...
he he.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: [LONG] Canadians 'too Patriotic' |
11 Dec 2003 10:42:41 AM |
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"ArWeGod" <ArWeGod?@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:CgWBb.36993$r76.1753@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com...
Get oot, eh!?
And those fucking Mexicans are doing the opposite!
When I backpacked through Europe, as a Canadian, I was given a patch to
sew
onto my pack by a fellow Canadien (which I later did). I was a newbie, and
he explained that people would treat me better, and pick me up when I
hitchhiked, etc, if they saw it. I later met others with the flag -
including AMERICANS who wanted the same, better, treatment. Fuckin'
hosers,
eh!?!
Of course, it was easy to see who's who traveling, because the Canadian
passport is blue (and only 5 years), but the American one is green (and
good
for 10).
The American passport is dark blue. But it is good for 10 years.
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Peacenik
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| User: "ArWeGod" |
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| Title: Re: [LONG] Canadians 'too Patriotic' |
12 Dec 2003 09:06:15 PM |
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"Peacenik" <criskity999@com999cast.removeallnines.net> wrote in message
news:581Cb.21540$8y1.102072@attbi_s52...
"ArWeGod" <ArWeGod?@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:CgWBb.36993$r76.1753@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com...
Get oot, eh!?
And those fucking Mexicans are doing the opposite!
When I backpacked through Europe, as a Canadian, I was given a patch to
sew
onto my pack by a fellow Canadien (which I later did). I was a newbie,
and
he explained that people would treat me better, and pick me up when I
hitchhiked, etc, if they saw it. I later met others with the flag -
including AMERICANS who wanted the same, better, treatment. Fuckin'
hosers,
eh!?!
Of course, it was easy to see who's who traveling, because the Canadian
passport is blue (and only 5 years), but the American one is green (and
good
for 10).
The American passport is dark blue. But it is good for 10 years.
--
Peacenik
Ah, so they've switched it to look more Canadian, eh?! It used to be dark
green. It was very obvious when brought out at the borders. I guess there's
not so much of that now that the EEC is in effect?
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ArWeOutOfTouch
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: [LONG] Canadians 'too Patriotic' |
11 Dec 2003 10:35:54 AM |
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"Randy Day" <ruthal@sasktel.nex> wrote in message
news:3FD56D0B.26496A3F@sasktel.nex...
Is the article below a widespread feeling in the
U.S., or did they just get a poorly-selected sample?
Sorry for the length, but this topic pushes buttons
for me. I don't *want* to be considered American;
I'M NOT AMERICAN! I *like* the idea that the Maple
Leaf is as good as a passport just about anywhere
in the world (except, apparently, the U.S.).
Why is it Americans can wave the RedWhite&Blue
till the cows come home, but the rest of us can't?
Are Americans really becoming a bunch of borg-like
assimilationists?
R
Atheist Chair,
EAC Disciplinary Committee
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http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=e7dd46c8-4495
-4cdc-919c-d58ad8fa7b9c
[RD: paragraph spacing changed from original]
Canadians too patriotic, Americans say in study
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OTTAWA - Canadians should be careful not to appear "boastful"
to Americans, who are insecure because of the war in Iraq and
admit they are annoyed by northerners showing off the maple
leaf on their luggage when they travel, a federal report says.
Whoa! This throws me for a loop. Americans are far too patriotic for my
tastes, and Canadians are quite relaxed about their patriotism, which is
something I respect. Americans saying Canadians should not appear boastful
is hypocritical in the extreme.
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Peacenik
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| User: "Randy Day" |
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| Title: Re: [LONG] Canadians 'too Patriotic' |
11 Dec 2003 11:57:36 AM |
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Peacenik wrote:
[snip]
http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=e7dd46c8-4495-4cdc-919c-d58ad8fa7b9c
[RD: paragraph spacing changed from original]
Canadians too patriotic, Americans say in study
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OTTAWA - Canadians should be careful not to appear "boastful"
to Americans, who are insecure because of the war in Iraq and
admit they are annoyed by northerners showing off the maple
leaf on their luggage when they travel, a federal report says.
Whoa! This throws me for a loop. Americans are far too patriotic for my
tastes, and Canadians are quite relaxed about their patriotism, which is
something I respect. Americans saying Canadians should not appear boastful
is hypocritical in the extreme.
No kidding. We're bombarded by pictures of
American streets where every house has a flag
hanging off it. The idea that a square inch of
red&white cloth on a backpack is so threatening
to them just floors me...
R
Atheist Chair,
EAC Disciplinary Committee
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: [LONG] Canadians 'too Patriotic' |
11 Dec 2003 10:40:17 AM |
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"Randy Day" <ruthal@sasktel.nex> wrote in message
news:3FD56D0B.26496A3F@sasktel.nex...
Why is it Americans can wave the RedWhite&Blue
till the cows come home, but the rest of us can't?
Because the Canadian flag is only Red & White.
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Peacenik
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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09 Dec 2003 11:27:08 PM |
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And so upon Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:34:51 -0600 didst Randy Day speak thusly:
Are Americans really becoming a bunch of borg-like
assimilationists?
You just noticed?
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
http://nullusfides.blogspot.com/
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| User: "Randy Day" |
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| Title: Re: OT: [LONG] Canadians 'too Patriotic' |
10 Dec 2003 12:26:28 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
And so upon Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:34:51 -0600 didst Randy Day speak thusly:
Are Americans really becoming a bunch of borg-like
assimilationists?
You just noticed?
I kept wanting it to be nothing more
than simple paranoia...
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Atheist Chair,
EAC Disciplinary Committee
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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10 Dec 2003 08:40:38 AM |
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And so upon Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:26:28 -0600 didst Randy Day speak thusly:
"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
And so upon Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:34:51 -0600 didst Randy Day speak thusly:
Are Americans really becoming a bunch of borg-like
assimilationists?
You just noticed?
I kept wanting it to be nothing more
than simple paranoia...
Well, in *my opinion, you're not nearly paranoid enough. Maybe you're all
just too polite to mention it. Or just simply can't believe it when you
see it. But the sheer *bile that spews out over the 'Net when there's the
slightest hint that Canada is an actual, separate nation is breathtaking.
At least to me.
I'm appalled on a regular basis.
Did you see the one when the administration started running around with
its skirt over its head screaming that Canada "allowed" a terrorist into
the US? The *hostility towards Canada in the editorial pages and around
the Net was breathtaking.
Apparently, Canada is *obligated to patrol our border. And don't you
forget it!
(Of course, the DoJ's screeching turned out to be more fiction than truth
but, well, the point was made. Canada better straighten up right now!)
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
http://nullusfides.blogspot.com/
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| User: "Randy Day" |
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| Title: Re: OT: [LONG] Canadians 'too Patriotic' |
10 Dec 2003 11:33:04 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
And so upon Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:26:28 -0600 didst Randy Day speak thusly:
"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
And so upon Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:34:51 -0600 didst Randy Day speak thusly:
Are Americans really becoming a bunch of borg-like
assimilationists?
You just noticed?
I kept wanting it to be nothing more
than simple paranoia...
Well, in *my opinion, you're not nearly paranoid enough. Maybe you're all
just too polite to mention it. Or just simply can't believe it when you
see it. But the sheer *bile that spews out over the 'Net when there's the
slightest hint that Canada is an actual, separate nation is breathtaking.
At least to me.
I'm appalled on a regular basis.
Maybe we're in denial, but we keep hoping it's
all political posturing, that it's the
Administration, not the people...
That's probably why this article bothered me so;
it kinda puts the lie to that false hope.
Did you see the one when the administration started running around with
its skirt over its head screaming that Canada "allowed" a terrorist into
the US? The *hostility towards Canada in the editorial pages and around
the Net was breathtaking.
I caught some of it - obviously not nearly
enough.
Apparently, Canada is *obligated to patrol our border. And don't you
forget it!
(Of course, the DoJ's screeching turned out to be more fiction than truth
Like so much of what's come out of this
administration...
but, well, the point was made. Canada better straighten up right now!)
During the run-up to the Iraq conflict, I made
a prediction that Canada could/would be next,
within 5-10 years. The confidence level has
varied over time, but it's never really gone
away...
R
Atheist Chair,
EAC Disciplinary Committee
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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10 Dec 2003 05:38:44 PM |
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And so upon Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:33:04 -0600 didst Randy Day speak thusly:
"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
And so upon Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:26:28 -0600 didst Randy Day speak thusly:
"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
And so upon Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:34:51 -0600 didst Randy Day speak thusly:
Are Americans really becoming a bunch of borg-like
assimilationists?
You just noticed?
I kept wanting it to be nothing more
than simple paranoia...
Well, in *my opinion, you're not nearly paranoid enough. Maybe you're all
just too polite to mention it. Or just simply can't believe it when you
see it. But the sheer *bile that spews out over the 'Net when there's the
slightest hint that Canada is an actual, separate nation is breathtaking.
At least to me.
I'm appalled on a regular basis.
Maybe we're in denial, but we keep hoping it's
all political posturing, that it's the
Administration, not the people...
That's probably why this article bothered me so;
it kinda puts the lie to that false hope.
Did you see the one when the administration started running around with
its skirt over its head screaming that Canada "allowed" a terrorist into
the US? The *hostility towards Canada in the editorial pages and around
the Net was breathtaking.
I caught some of it - obviously not nearly
enough.
Apparently, Canada is *obligated to patrol our border. And don't you
forget it!
(Of course, the DoJ's screeching turned out to be more fiction than truth
Like so much of what's come out of this
administration...
but, well, the point was made. Canada better straighten up right now!)
During the run-up to the Iraq conflict, I made
a prediction that Canada could/would be next,
within 5-10 years. The confidence level has
varied over time, but it's never really gone
away...
I see Canada is on the "no contracts for YOU!" punishment list just
released...
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
http://nullusfides.blogspot.com/
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| User: "Rv Cloim" |
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| Title: Re: OT: [LONG] Canadians 'too Patriotic' |
09 Dec 2003 10:59:06 PM |
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:34:51 -0600, Randy Day wrote:
Is the article below a widespread feeling in the
U.S., or did they just get a poorly-selected sample?
Never heard anything like it. Never seen anyone walking around with a
'Canadian patch' either.
Sorry for the length, but this topic pushes buttons
for me. I don't *want* to be considered American;
I'M NOT AMERICAN! I *like* the idea that the Maple
Leaf is as good as a passport just about anywhere
in the world (except, apparently, the U.S.).
Why is it Americans can wave the RedWhite&Blue
till the cows come home, but the rest of us can't?
You can. Now, if your waving it at hockey game, that's a different story.
Are Americans really becoming a bunch of borg-like
assimilationists?
No.
<snip story>
Keep in mind it's talking about 'focus groups' in 4 cities. This is not
a poll of all Americans, or even of those in those cities. It also does
not mention any positives. If you look too hard for negatives, you may
find them where they didn't previously exist. (For instance, pointing out
energy exports in the winter when people are concerned about rising energy
prices).
Focus groups will discuss things in more detail than a poll, but have a
smaller sample of the population.
I'm not saying there aren't people like that, I'm sure there are. There
are also people who think Americans are too patriotic. And those who
dislike all forms of patriotism.
Just don't try to pass any of those Canadian quarters off as American
money, and you won't have any problems from me. That's about the only
problem I have with Canadians. Why don't you guys redesign your coins so
that they don't get confused with ours :P
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: OT: [LONG] Canadians 'too Patriotic' |
11 Dec 2003 10:39:17 AM |
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"Rv Cloim" <cloim@propylaea.tor.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.12.10.05.10.22.94854@propylaea.tor.org...
On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:34:51 -0600, Randy Day wrote:
Is the article below a widespread feeling in the
U.S., or did they just get a poorly-selected sample?
Never heard anything like it. Never seen anyone walking around with a
'Canadian patch' either.
Have you ever gone backpacking around the world? It's very popular for
Canadian (and New Zealand) backpackers to sport their nation's flags on
their backpacks. I've heard they do this so as not to be confused for
Americans (or Australians).
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Peacenik
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| User: "Randy Day" |
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| Title: Re: OT: [LONG] Canadians 'too Patriotic' |
09 Dec 2003 11:56:43 PM |
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Rv Cloim wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:34:51 -0600, Randy Day wrote:
Is the article below a widespread feeling in the
U.S., or did they just get a poorly-selected sample?
Never heard anything like it. Never seen anyone walking around with a
'Canadian patch' either.
Sorry for the length, but this topic pushes buttons
for me. I don't *want* to be considered American;
I'M NOT AMERICAN! I *like* the idea that the Maple
Leaf is as good as a passport just about anywhere
in the world (except, apparently, the U.S.).
Why is it Americans can wave the RedWhite&Blue
till the cows come home, but the rest of us can't?
You can. Now, if your waving it at hockey game, that's a different story.
Heh. That goes both ways, fella! ;)
(Go Canucks!)
Are Americans really becoming a bunch of borg-like
assimilationists?
No.
<snip story>
Keep in mind it's talking about 'focus groups' in 4 cities. This is not
a poll of all Americans, or even of those in those cities. It also does
not mention any positives. If you look too hard for negatives, you may
find them where they didn't previously exist. (For instance, pointing out
energy exports in the winter when people are concerned about rising energy
prices).
Focus groups will discuss things in more detail than a poll, but have a
smaller sample of the population.
Correct. I felt they might have a non-representative
sample, but then wondered if maybe they *didn't*. It's
been several years since I've been down there. The
tone in the ng's has become decidedly more polarized
of late, and I wondered if it was a reflection of the
state of the general population.
I'm not saying there aren't people like that, I'm sure there are. There
are also people who think Americans are too patriotic. And those who
dislike all forms of patriotism.
Agreed. I'm just trying to get a sense of the
relative sizes of the three camps down there.
Just don't try to pass any of those Canadian quarters off as American
money, and you won't have any problems from me. That's about the only
problem I have with Canadians. Why don't you guys redesign your coins so
that they don't get confused with ours :P
Don't blame us; it's a conspiracy by american vending-
machine manufacturers. They get to keep their costs down
if they can keep us using similar coinage. ;)
R
Atheist Chair,
EAC Disciplinary Committee
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| User: "AngryJohn" |
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| Title: Re: OT: [LONG] Canadians 'too Patriotic' |
10 Dec 2003 08:39:34 PM |
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 23:56:43 -0600, Randy Day <ruthal@sasktel.nex>
wrote:
Rv Cloim wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:34:51 -0600, Randy Day wrote:
Is the article below a widespread feeling in the
U.S., or did they just get a poorly-selected sample?
Never heard anything like it. Never seen anyone walking around with a
'Canadian patch' either.
Sorry for the length, but this topic pushes buttons
for me. I don't *want* to be considered American;
I'M NOT AMERICAN! I *like* the idea that the Maple
Leaf is as good as a passport just about anywhere
in the world (except, apparently, the U.S.).
Why is it Americans can wave the RedWhite&Blue
till the cows come home, but the rest of us can't?
You can. Now, if your waving it at hockey game, that's a different story.
Heh. That goes both ways, fella! ;)
(Go Canucks!)
No, no, no.............
Red Wings!!!!!
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| User: "Randy Day" |
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10 Dec 2003 08:53:46 PM |
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AngryJohn wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 23:56:43 -0600, Randy Day <ruthal@sasktel.nex>
wrote:
Rv Cloim wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:34:51 -0600, Randy Day wrote:
Is the article below a widespread feeling in the
U.S., or did they just get a poorly-selected sample?
Never heard anything like it. Never seen anyone walking around with a
'Canadian patch' either.
Sorry for the length, but this topic pushes buttons
for me. I don't *want* to be considered American;
I'M NOT AMERICAN! I *like* the idea that the Maple
Leaf is as good as a passport just about anywhere
in the world (except, apparently, the U.S.).
Why is it Americans can wave the RedWhite&Blue
till the cows come home, but the rest of us can't?
You can. Now, if your waving it at hockey game, that's a different story.
Heh. That goes both ways, fella! ;)
(Go Canucks!)
No, no, no.............
Red Wings!!!!!
Red W...! <choke>
1 point buddy! One game in hand!
The Red W<choke>s just need to SNEEZE and
they're watching Vancouver move ahead!
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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10 Dec 2003 09:45:20 PM |
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1 point buddy! One game in hand!
The Red W<choke>s just need to SNEEZE and
they're watching Vancouver move ahead!
Having just watched the Dead Wings blast my team for five goals in the third
period I have to hate them even the more...even when they stole the best player
in our history from us.
Things are so bad we even saw an octopus on the ice during the game.
The game was in Buffalo.
sigh...
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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| User: "AngryJohn" |
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10 Dec 2003 10:14:49 PM |
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On 11 Dec 2003 03:45:20 GMT, forlornh@aol.complex (Lord Calvert)
wrote:
1 point buddy! One game in hand!
The Red W<choke>s just need to SNEEZE and
they're watching Vancouver move ahead!
Having just watched the Dead Wings blast my team for five goals in the third
period I have to hate them even the more...even when they stole the best player
in our history from us.
Things are so bad we even saw an octopus on the ice during the game.
The game was in Buffalo.
sigh...
Heh heh heh......... All that with how many out injured?
I really like the Sabres with Hasek. I was not happy when the Wings
acquired him. Osgood was/is a good goalie. {shrug} tis the way of
professional sports.
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| User: "AngryJohn" |
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10 Dec 2003 09:08:03 PM |
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On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 02:53:46 GMT, Randy Day <randy.day@shaw.cax>
wrote:
AngryJohn wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 23:56:43 -0600, Randy Day <ruthal@sasktel.nex>
wrote:
Rv Cloim wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:34:51 -0600, Randy Day wrote:
Is the article below a widespread feeling in the
U.S., or did they just get a poorly-selected sample?
Never heard anything like it. Never seen anyone walking around with a
'Canadian patch' either.
Sorry for the length, but this topic pushes buttons
for me. I don't *want* to be considered American;
I'M NOT AMERICAN! I *like* the idea that the Maple
Leaf is as good as a passport just about anywhere
in the world (except, apparently, the U.S.).
Why is it Americans can wave the RedWhite&Blue
till the cows come home, but the rest of us can't?
You can. Now, if your waving it at hockey game, that's a different story.
Heh. That goes both ways, fella! ;)
(Go Canucks!)
No, no, no.............
Red Wings!!!!!
Red W...! <choke>
1 point buddy! One game in hand!
The Red W<choke>s just need to SNEEZE and
they're watching Vancouver move ahead!
Haven't looked at the sports page today. Uhhh, well, they did choke
last year. However, how many cuos does Vancouver have?
BTW, they, the Wings, are in DC saturday night and I have tickets.....
just hope they do better than the last time they played the Caps!
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| User: "Indefual" |
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| Title: Re: OT: [LONG] Canadians 'too Patriotic' |
11 Dec 2003 08:34:56 AM |
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Rv Cloim wrote:
Just don't try to pass any of those Canadian quarters off as American
money, and you won't have any problems from me. That's about the only
problem I have with Canadians. Why don't you guys redesign your coins so
that they don't get confused with ours :P
OH, hrmm... You might be interested in http://www.stopcanadianchange.com/
.... check it out. :)
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| User: "Bob Dog" |
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| Title: Re: OT: [LONG] Canadians 'too Patriotic' |
09 Dec 2003 07:13:48 AM |
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Randy Day <ruthal@sasktel.nex> wrote in message news:<3FD56D0B.26496A3F@sasktel.nex>...
http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=e7dd46c8-4495-4cdc-919c-d58ad8fa7b9c
<snip>
An American from San
Diego is quoted saying: "What bugs me about Canadians, if I
may, is that they wear that damn patch on their bags, the
Canadian flag patch. That way, they differentiate themselves
from us." Canadians are "very patriotic," freely acknowledging
they are from Canada while abroad, observed a respondent from
Raleigh, N.C. "Americans will tend to not even want to tell
people because they think they'll get bad vibes from them," he
added.
So this guy is admitting that telling the world (aside from
Americans) that you're a Canadian makes people like you, and
telling the world that you're an Americna brings animosity.
That sounds more like envy than annoyance. There's a reason
nobody flew a plane into Young Street, and it's not because
Osama didn't know where it is.
Bob Dog
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| User: "Randy Day" |
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| Title: Re: OT: [LONG] Canadians 'too Patriotic' |
09 Dec 2003 12:04:25 PM |
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Bob Dog wrote:
Randy Day <ruthal@sasktel.nex> wrote in message news:<3FD56D0B.26496A3F@sasktel.nex>...
http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=e7dd46c8-4495-4cdc-919c-d58ad8fa7b9c
<snip>
An American from San
Diego is quoted saying: "What bugs me about Canadians, if I
may, is that they wear that damn patch on their bags, the
Canadian flag patch. That way, they differentiate themselves
from us." Canadians are "very patriotic," freely acknowledging
they are from Canada while abroad, observed a respondent from
Raleigh, N.C. "Americans will tend to not even want to tell
people because they think they'll get bad vibes from them," he
added.
So this guy is admitting that telling the world (aside from
Americans) that you're a Canadian makes people like you, and
telling the world that you're an Americna brings animosity.
That sounds more like envy than annoyance. There's a reason
nobody flew a plane into Young Street, and it's not because
Osama didn't know where it is.
I guess my main concern is that this kind of self-absorbed 'envy'
can get out of hand, and if it's prevalent, can lead to problems
like reduced safety for Canadians in the U.S., or manipulation
by politicians ("let's wipe that smug smile off their faces AND
reduce our foreign dependence by making them ... not foreign
anymore").
Yeah, that's an extreme example, but I'm trying to demonstrate
why this kind of trend seems unhealthy to me. I'm just trying to
discern whether it's a growing trend, or a side-effect from recent
events that will disappear as America recovers...
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: OT: [LONG] Canadians 'too Patriotic' |
10 Dec 2003 08:42:28 AM |
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And so upon Tue, 09 Dec 2003 12:04:25 -0600 didst Randy Day speak thusly:
Yeah, that's an extreme example, but I'm trying to demonstrate
why this kind of trend seems unhealthy to me. I'm just trying to
discern whether it's a growing trend, or a side-effect from recent
events that will disappear as America recovers...
You know, historically speaking, there can come a time in the life of a
nation when it doesn't "recover" ever again...
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EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
http://nullusfides.blogspot.com/
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| User: "Randy Day" |
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| Title: Re: OT: [LONG] Canadians 'too Patriotic' |
10 Dec 2003 11:01:40 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
And so upon Tue, 09 Dec 2003 12:04:25 -0600 didst Randy Day speak thusly:
Yeah, that's an extreme example, but I'm trying to demonstrate
why this kind of trend seems unhealthy to me. I'm just trying to
discern whether it's a growing trend, or a side-effect from recent
events that will disappear as America recovers...
You know, historically speaking, there can come a time in the life of a
nation when it doesn't "recover" ever again...
Rise and Fall...? Could be. Hope not.
Guess we'll see, won't we?
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Atheist Chair,
EAC Disciplinary Committee
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