Le Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:57:00 +0000, Fred Stone a écrit :

Two words: Elian, Waco.

Re. Elian: why do you hate family values so much? Why do you want to
deprive a child from his only living parent?

Re. Waco: why do you give a ***** about a bunch of fucknuts? Should'nt
we all be happy that they all went straight to that wonderful
afterlife place they kept dreaming about when they were alive?

Le Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:57:00 +0000, Fred Stone a =E9crit :

Two words: Elian, Waco.

Re. Elian: why do you hate family values so much? Why do you want to
deprive a child from his only living parent?

Re. Waco: why do you give a ***** about a bunch of fucknuts? Should'nt

all be happy that they all went straight to that wonderful afterlife

they kept dreaming about when they were alive?

On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:57:00 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

satyr <RsEaMtOyVrE@infidels.org> wrote in
news:824f11tufpupbbtbk5bn0pii4929kmv2vl@4ax.com:

On 18 Feb 2005 09:50:08 -0800, "Rump Ranger"

wrote:

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

Alberto Gonzales is coming to get you!

You know, Gonzales might actually be worse than Ashcroft (and I

thought

nobody would have been a worse AG than Janet Reno during the 90's).

You must be too young to remember Ed Meese.

Does America have an obsession for fascist assholes for Attorney
General or what?

Well, the job does lend itself to that - sort of like pedophilia and
the priesthood. Still, I can't see how you can put Reno in the same
sentence as the GOP AG nazis.

Two words: Elian, Waco.

Custody of Elian, a minor, was lawfully given to his father who was
closest living relative.

When those physically holding the boy
refused to surrender him, governmental forces forcibly, but peaceably
removed him.

If the situation were reversed and Elian was the child
of an American parent, wouldn't you hope that a foreign governments
would do exactly the same?

The execution of the search warrant in Waco was obviously planned long
before Reno came into office. If the whakos of Wako were peaceful
civilians instead of heavily armed militant religious fanatics, the
incident would have been uneventful. I am not saying that the
government forces handled the situation well - clearly it was botched.
I am only saying that the Davidians must bear the primary
responsibility for the violence and, in any event, it wasn't Janet
Reno's fault.

During the siege itself, the Davidians could have surrendered
peacefully at any time and submitted themselves to civil authority.
They certainly could have released the children but that is not what
they were about. These were irrational religious fanatics devoted to
the apocalyptic visions of a charismatic leader with a messiah
complex. They believed that everything that was happening was
preordained by God and that the final outcome involved their
martyrdom. This was not a recipe for a happy outcome. The government
chose to invade rather than wait them out. It is far from certain
that waiting would have produced a better result. At worst the ATF
was guilty of bad judgement and/or negligence.

from: http://writ.news.findlaw.com/commentary/20000718_wisenberg.html
(a legal analysis website) here are some comments on the civil case
against the feds. The jury completely exonerated the government.

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Indeed, the testimony established that the ATF agents, rather than
Koresh and his followers, were taken by surprise and pinned down under
heavy fire with limited ammunition. Under these circumstances, it
seems fair to assume that the jury was not all that bothered by the
possibility that some ATF gunfire indiscriminately raked the second
story windows of the compound. Most Americans, no matter how skeptical
they may be of the law enforcement community, are not willing to let
their fellow citizens choose which warrants to accept or reject --
especially when that rejection is accompanied by machine gun fire.

The government's evidence as to who started the fires on April 19 was
similarly devastating. In addition to expert testimony that the
Davidians were responsible for setting the fires, FBI-installed
listening devices recorded sect members joking about becoming
"charcoal briquettes" and contemplating "catching fire" a day before
the compound was destroyed. And on the day of the fire, the listening
devices recorded the chilling commands to "spread the fuel" and "light
the torch." Given the Davidian involvement in starting and spreading
the fire, it is not surprising that the advisory jury absolved the
government on this question.

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