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22 Apr 2004 04:19:23 AM |
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OT: Losing Our Edge? |
Losing Our Edge?
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/22/opinion/22FRIE.html
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Anyone who thinks that all the Indian and Chinese techies are doing is
answering call-center phones or solving tech problems for Dell
customers is sadly mistaken.
Thomas L. Friedman
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=18510aff.0312281339.9324acb%40posting.google.com
Enemies of Science & Knowledge
http://tinyurl.com/9nb0
and thread
A Blueprint for the Future
http://tinyurl.com/9vga
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Losing Our Edge? |
22 Apr 2004 04:07:49 PM |
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(maff) wrote in message news:<18510aff.0404220122.6ed39764@posting.google.com>...
Losing Our Edge?
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/22/opinion/22FRIE.html
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Anyone who thinks that all the Indian and Chinese techies are doing is
answering call-center phones or solving tech problems for Dell
customers is sadly mistaken.
The Secret of Our Sauce
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=18510aff.0403070318.58243b0d%40posting.google.com
Thomas L. Friedman
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=18510aff.0312281339.9324acb%40posting.google.com
Enemies of Science & Knowledge
http://tinyurl.com/9nb0
and thread
A Blueprint for the Future
http://tinyurl.com/9vga
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Losing Our Edge? |
25 Apr 2004 03:46:10 PM |
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(maff) wrote in message news:<18510aff.0404221310.2000749@posting.google.com>...
(maff) wrote in message news:<18510aff.0404220122.6ed39764@posting.google.com>...
Losing Our Edge?
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/22/opinion/22FRIE.html
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Anyone who thinks that all the Indian and Chinese techies are doing is
answering call-center phones or solving tech problems for Dell
customers is sadly mistaken.
Science and Our Future, Entwined (5 Letters)
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/25/opinion/L25FRIE.html
The Secret of Our Sauce
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=18510aff.0403070318.58243b0d%40posting.google.com
Thomas L. Friedman
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=18510aff.0312281339.9324acb%40posting.google.com
Enemies of Science & Knowledge
http://tinyurl.com/9nb0
and thread
A Blueprint for the Future
http://tinyurl.com/9vga
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| User: "Erwin Moller" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Losing Our Edge? |
22 Apr 2004 05:25:10 AM |
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maff wrote:
Losing Our Edge?
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/22/opinion/22FRIE.html
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Anyone who thinks that all the Indian and Chinese techies are doing is
answering call-center phones or solving tech problems for Dell
customers is sadly mistaken.
Thomas L. Friedman
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=18510aff.0312281339.9324acb%40posting.google.com
Enemies of Science & Knowledge
http://tinyurl.com/9nb0
and thread
A Blueprint for the Future
http://tinyurl.com/9vga
Not only in USA, but also here in Holland (the netherlands/Europe in my
case) many policymakers think it is more important to educate
policymakers/businessanalist/etc. than it is to educate beta-students.
This policy will surely lead to less inovation in the future.
The far east will surely beat us (USA/Europe) on many
sciencesubject/inovative programs soon enough.
Bad thing?
I think it is.
I am happy for India and China, but feel sorry for the 'west' and the future
we are creating for our children.
The nightmarefuture I see is this: Soon we will have companies where 12
managers try to direct one guy that actually does something, like research
or development...
Allthough I have the impression that USA does still a little better than
Europe.
*sniff*
Regards,
Erwin Moller
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| User: "Ray Wesley Kinserlow Jr." |
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| Title: Re: OT: Losing Our Edge? |
23 Apr 2004 07:16:01 PM |
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:25:10 +0000 (UTC), Erwin Moller
<since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_much@spamyourself.com> wrote:
maff wrote:
Losing Our Edge?
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/22/opinion/22FRIE.html
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Anyone who thinks that all the Indian and Chinese techies are doing is
answering call-center phones or solving tech problems for Dell
customers is sadly mistaken.
Thomas L. Friedman
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=18510aff.0312281339.9324acb%40posting.google.com
Enemies of Science & Knowledge
http://tinyurl.com/9nb0
and thread
A Blueprint for the Future
http://tinyurl.com/9vga
Not only in USA, but also here in Holland (the netherlands/Europe in my
case) many policymakers think it is more important to educate
policymakers/businessanalist/etc. than it is to educate beta-students.
This policy will surely lead to less inovation in the future.
The far east will surely beat us (USA/Europe) on many
sciencesubject/inovative programs soon enough.
Bad thing?
I think it is.
I am happy for India and China, but feel sorry for the 'west' and the future
we are creating for our children.
The nightmarefuture I see is this: Soon we will have companies where 12
managers try to direct one guy that actually does something, like research
or development...
Allthough I have the impression that USA does still a little better than
Europe.
*sniff*
Regards,
Erwin Moller
The advent of the second millennium will probably be recorded in
history as the beginning of the decline of American dominance and
Western civilization in general. The center of gravity of
civilization is moving East.
Ray Wesley Kinserlow Jr.
Lubbock, Texas
kinserlow at hotmail dot com
homepage: www.members.cox.net/rkinserlow
webmaster: www.d16acbl.org/U197/index.html
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| User: "Briefs Bandit" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Losing Our Edge? |
24 Apr 2004 11:27:38 AM |
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"Ray Wesley Kinserlow Jr." <me@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:6pbj8015qhgs038fe3jvmpceld0h3cn9ts@4ax.com...
The advent of the second millennium will probably be recorded in
history as the beginning of the decline of American dominance and
Western civilization in general. The center of gravity of
civilization is moving East.
Ray Wesley Kinserlow Jr.
Lubbock, Texas
kinserlow at hotmail dot com
homepage: www.members.cox.net/rkinserlow
webmaster: www.d16acbl.org/U197/index.html
I suppose you really mean the advent of the *third* millennium: years 1 -
1000 were the 1st. 1001 - 2000 were the 2nd and 2001 - 3000 are the third.
Otherwise, your point is well taken.
James
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| User: "SMChristenson" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Losing Our Edge? |
22 Apr 2004 06:49:20 AM |
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:25:10 +0000, Erwin Moller wrote:
maff wrote:
The nightmarefuture I see is this: Soon we will have companies where 12
managers try to direct one guy that actually does something, like
research or development...
Allthough I have the impression that USA does still a little better than
Europe.
*sniff*
Over here, I think we fire the middle managers too so the executives can
make 100 times as much as the janitors instead of 10 times.
I'm no economist but it seems pretty simple that India and China give us
services and goods and we give them money. Seems like we'd run out of
money some day before they run out of services and goods.
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Losing Our Edge? |
22 Apr 2004 10:05:22 AM |
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"SMChristenson" <smchris@visi.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.04.22.11.49.19.654931@visi.com...
On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:25:10 +0000, Erwin Moller wrote:
maff wrote:
The nightmarefuture I see is this: Soon we will have companies where 12
managers try to direct one guy that actually does something, like
research or development...
Allthough I have the impression that USA does still a little better than
Europe.
*sniff*
Over here, I think we fire the middle managers too so the executives can
make 100 times as much as the janitors instead of 10 times.
I'm no economist but it seems pretty simple that India and China give us
services and goods and we give them money. Seems like we'd run out of
money some day before they run out of services and goods.
Theoretically it should reach an equilibrium.
As jobs and money flow overseas their standard
of living will rise and ours will fall.
Once labor rates are about equal the net flow of
jobs overseas will stop.
In macroeconomics they say "the prices of the
factors of production (labor among them) tend
to converge".
--
Ron Baker
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: OT: Losing Our Edge? |
22 Apr 2004 09:25:33 AM |
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 06:49:20 -0500, SMChristenson <smchris@visi.com>
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:25:10 +0000, Erwin Moller wrote:
maff wrote:
The nightmarefuture I see is this: Soon we will have companies where 12
managers try to direct one guy that actually does something, like
research or development...
Allthough I have the impression that USA does still a little better than
Europe.
*sniff*
Over here, I think we fire the middle managers too so the executives can
make 100 times as much as the janitors instead of 10 times.
I'm no economist but it seems pretty simple that India and China give us
services and goods and we give them money. Seems like we'd run out of
money some day before they run out of services and goods.
It kind of depends.
Our companies sell their efforts, and hence make money off them. The
question is, where do they spend that money. If they use it to
improve their holdings in other countries, then the secondary market
continues to enrich those countries.
What doing this does to the us is to stratify wealth. The wealth is
still there, but it no longer is being held and used by the middle
class to purchase goods and services here and generating lots of local
businesses and trade. Instead it is held by the wealthy and therefore
held in financial bonds, stocks or some other investment.
The government claims - we still make the money and pretends that this
means no one is being hurt, but it is more and more is being collected
by the few and held out of the US economy. They don't mention that.
money used in the US creates more transactions which creates more
transactions - so outsources implodes the economy. Less transactions
creates even less transactions, and more middle people lose out and
become lower people, and the lower people drop lower and become tax
burdens.
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| User: "SMChristenson" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Losing Our Edge? |
23 Apr 2004 07:01:31 AM |
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:25:33 -0500, Kate wrote:
creates even less transactions, and more middle people lose out and
become lower people, and the lower people drop lower and become tax
burdens.
But not in actual social services, right? You mean we'll have body
collectors to pick the bodies up off the sidewalks of LA and New York in
the morning the way they do in Calcutta?
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: OT: Losing Our Edge? |
23 Apr 2004 09:17:13 AM |
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 07:01:31 -0500, SMChristenson <smchris@visi.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:25:33 -0500, Kate wrote:
creates even less transactions, and more middle people lose out and
become lower people, and the lower people drop lower and become tax
burdens.
But not in actual social services, right? You mean we'll have body
collectors to pick the bodies up off the sidewalks of LA and New York in
the morning the way they do in Calcutta?
LOL, eventually with the republicans in charge, I don't doubt it.
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