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User: "Therion Ware"
Date: 05 Nov 2003 05:01:02 PM
Object: OT: Matrix III.
- well, just got back from the cinema, and what a total waste of time
that was, or would have been except for the hot dog.
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User: "Adam Marczyk"

Title: Re: Matrix III. 06 Nov 2003 01:15:30 AM
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
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- well, just got back from the cinema, and what a total waste of time
that was, or would have been except for the hot dog.

Before walking into the theater, I wouldn't have let any number of bad
reviews dissuade me from seeing it. Now that I have seen it, I wish that
they had.
--
"The spiritual man.... attacks what he believes | a.a. #2001
to be wrong, though defended by the many, | ebonmuse!hotmail.com
and he is willing to stand for the right | www.ebonmusings.org
against the world." --Robert Green Ingersoll | PGP Key ID: 0x5C66F737
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User: "the cutest atheist"

Title: Re: Matrix III. 06 Nov 2003 04:51:43 AM
"Adam Marczyk" <ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
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- well, just got back from the cinema, and what a total waste of time
that was, or would have been except for the hot dog.


Before walking into the theater, I wouldn't have let any number of bad
reviews dissuade me from seeing it. Now that I have seen it, I wish that
they had.

I was going to see it. What happens?
.
User: "chibiabos"

Title: Re: Matrix III. 06 Nov 2003 09:09:00 PM
In article <3Jpqb.181010$bo1.36150@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, the
cutest atheist <herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> wrote:

"Adam Marczyk" <ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
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- well, just got back from the cinema, and what a total waste of time
that was, or would have been except for the hot dog.


Before walking into the theater, I wouldn't have let any number of bad
reviews dissuade me from seeing it. Now that I have seen it, I wish that
they had.


I was going to see it. What happens?

Two hours eight minutes of Lawrence Fishburn channeling William Shatner.
-chib
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Member of SMASH:
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
(email: change out to in)
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User: "Adam Marczyk"

Title: Re: Matrix III. 06 Nov 2003 10:50:50 AM
the cutest atheist <herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Adam Marczyk" <ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
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- well, just got back from the cinema, and what a total waste of time
that was, or would have been except for the hot dog.


Before walking into the theater, I wouldn't have let any number of bad
reviews dissuade me from seeing it. Now that I have seen it, I wish that
they had.


I was going to see it. What happens?

I'll spoil it for you if you want, but it would be better to do it via
e-mail than on the group, where not everyone may have seen it yet. Do you
want me to?
--
"We have loved the stars too fondly | a.a. #2001
to be fearful of the night." | http://www.ebonmusings.org
--Tombstone epitaph of | e-mail: ebonmuse!hotmail.com
two amateur astronomers, | ICQ: 8777843
quoted in Carl Sagan's _Cosmos_ | PGP Key ID: 0x5C66F737
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User: "the cutest atheist"

Title: Re: Matrix III. 06 Nov 2003 03:20:42 PM
"Adam Marczyk" <ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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the cutest atheist <herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Adam Marczyk" <ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
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- well, just got back from the cinema, and what a total waste of time
that was, or would have been except for the hot dog.


Before walking into the theater, I wouldn't have let any number of bad
reviews dissuade me from seeing it. Now that I have seen it, I wish

that

they had.


I was going to see it. What happens?


I'll spoil it for you if you want, but it would be better to do it via
e-mail than on the group, where not everyone may have seen it yet. Do you
want me to?

yes, please

I appreciate it!


.
User: "Bill, The Avender"

Title: Re: Matrix III. 06 Nov 2003 05:49:58 PM
In alt.atheism on Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:20:42 GMT, "the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> wrote:


"Adam Marczyk" <ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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the cutest atheist <herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Adam Marczyk" <ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:970jqvkp3fskube56317a2iv62gt8elj1i@4ax.com...

- well, just got back from the cinema, and what a total waste of time
that was, or would have been except for the hot dog.


Before walking into the theater, I wouldn't have let any number of bad
reviews dissuade me from seeing it. Now that I have seen it, I wish

that

they had.


I was going to see it. What happens?


I'll spoil it for you if you want, but it would be better to do it via
e-mail than on the group, where not everyone may have seen it yet. Do you
want me to?


yes, please


I appreciate it!

I, for one, wouldn't care if you "spoiled it" here. Just put plenty
of....
<spoiler space>
<spoiler space>
<spoiler space>
....in it, and those who don't want it to be spoiled should be just
fine with it. :-)
--
L8r,
Bill, The Avender
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An optimist would see it as an opportunity to get free, unlimited tanning.
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User: "the cutest atheist"

Title: Re: Matrix III. 07 Nov 2003 02:27:21 AM
"Bill, The Avender" <Avender@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
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In alt.atheism on Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:20:42 GMT, "the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> wrote:


"Adam Marczyk" <ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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the cutest atheist <herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Adam Marczyk" <ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
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- well, just got back from the cinema, and what a total waste of

time

that was, or would have been except for the hot dog.


Before walking into the theater, I wouldn't have let any number of

bad

reviews dissuade me from seeing it. Now that I have seen it, I wish

that

they had.


I was going to see it. What happens?


I'll spoil it for you if you want, but it would be better to do it via
e-mail than on the group, where not everyone may have seen it yet. Do

you

want me to?


yes, please


I appreciate it!


I, for one, wouldn't care if you "spoiled it" here. Just put plenty
of....


<spoiler space>

<spoiler space>

<spoiler space>

...in it, and those who don't want it to be spoiled should be just
fine with it. :-)
--
L8r,
Bill, The Avender

Adam sent me his spoiler...***** it makes M2 sound like an oscar-winner in
comparison.
that's what you get for making those infinite monkeys throw their
shakespeare-rejects at people with the money to finance a film
at least they wasted a whole lotta money making it in sydney, is all I can
say....
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User: "Adam Marczyk"

Title: Re: Matrix III. 07 Nov 2003 12:07:52 PM
Bill, The Avender <Avender@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
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In alt.atheism on Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:20:42 GMT, "the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> wrote:


"Adam Marczyk" <ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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the cutest atheist <herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Adam Marczyk" <ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
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- well, just got back from the cinema, and what a total waste of
time that was, or would have been except for the hot dog.


Before walking into the theater, I wouldn't have let any number of
bad reviews dissuade me from seeing it. Now that I have seen it, I
wish that they had.


I was going to see it. What happens?


I'll spoil it for you if you want, but it would be better to do it via
e-mail than on the group, where not everyone may have seen it yet. Do
you want me to?


yes, please


I appreciate it!


I, for one, wouldn't care if you "spoiled it" here. Just put plenty
of....


<spoiler space>

<spoiler space>

<spoiler space>

...in it, and those who don't want it to be spoiled should be just
fine with it. :-)

I'll do better: Here's a plot summation in ROT-13. Anyone who wants to know
what happens, knock yourself out. Be warned that this gives away
everything.
====
Ng gur ortvaavat bs gur zbivr, Arb (fgvyy va n pbzn va gur erny jbeyq)
njnxrf va
n genva fgngvba, n fbeg bs yvzob ba gur bhgfxvegf bs gur Zngevk. Va na
nggrzcg
gb trg uvz onpx, Zbecurhf naq Gevavgl tb gb frr gur Benpyr, jub gryyf gurz
gung
n cebtenz pnyyrq gur Genvazna - jub unccraf gb or n urapuzna bs gur
Zrebivatvna - pbagebyf gur pbaarpgvba orgjrra gur cynpr jurer Arb vf naq
gur
erfg bs gur Zngevk. Fur fraqf Frencu nybat jvgu gur gjb bs gurz gb genpx
gur
Genvazna qbja, naq gurl svaq uvz nybat jvgu gur Zrebivatvna va n pyho eha
ol gur
ynggre. Gur Zrebivatvna gryyf gurz ur jvyy eryrnfr Arb vs gurl oevat uvz
gur
Benpyr'f rlrf (ure npghny rlrf, nccneragyl); Gevavgl vafgrnq chgf n tha gb
uvf
urnq naq sbeprf uvz gb yrg Arb tb.
Va gur Zngevk, Ntrag Fzvgu pncgherf gur Benpyr. Fur bssref ab erfvfgnapr nf
ur
nffvzvyngrf ure naq gheaf ure vagb nabgure Fzvgu - guvf bar jvgu gur
"Benpyr'f
rlrf" gur Zrebivatvna jnagrq.
Onpx va gur erny jbeyq, gurl qrpvqr gb fcyvg hc. Zbecurhf, Avbor, naq gur
erfg
bs gur perj bs gur guerr fuvcf cyna gb erghea gb Mvba gb uryc qrsraq vg
ntnvafg
gur Fragvaryf, ohg Arb jba'g tb jvgu gurz. Ur pynvzf ur unf gb tb gb gur
znpuvarf' pvgl, naq Avbor tvirf uvz ure fuvc gb qb fb; Gevavgl tbrf jvgu
uvz.
Gur ubeqr bs Fragvaryf neevirf ng Mvba, naq juvyr gur onggyr vf sbhtug, Arb
naq
Gevavgl urnq sbe gur znpuvar pvgl ba gur fhesnpr. Ubjrire, Onar, fgvyy
cbffrffrq
ol Ntrag Fzvgu, fgbjf njnl ba gur fuvc naq nzohfurf gurz. Arb vf oyvaqrq
qhevat
gur svtug (ohearq va gur snpr jvgu na ryrpgevp pnoyr), ohg fbzrubj ur pna
fgvyy
frr, va n jnl (ur qbrfa'g frr culfvpny guvatf nalzber, ohg ur frrf Fzvgu nf
n
fvyubhrggr bs benatr sver) naq xvyyf Onar.
Nf gurve fuvc neevirf ng gur znpuvar pvgl, vg vf ivpvbhfyl nggnpxrq ol
Fragvaryf. Arb hfrf gur fgenatr cbjref ur fbzrubj bognvarq ng gur raq bs
gur
ynfg zbivr gb qrfgebl zbfg bs gurz, ohg abg nyy bs gurz. Gurve fuvc penfurf
vafvqr gur znpuvar pvgl, naq Gevavgl vf frireryl jbhaqrq. Nsgre n fhvgnoyr
snerjryy fprar, fur qvrf, naq Arb tbrf ba vagb gur pvgl nybar. Gurer ur
pbasebagf gur znpuvar vagryyvtrapr, naq bssref gb znxr n qrny: gur znpuvarf
pnaabg fgbc Fzvgu (jub vf guerngravat gb gnxr bire gurve ragver znvasenzr),
ohg
Arb pna, naq jvyy va rkpunatr sbe gurz abg qrfgeblvat Mvba. Gur znpuvarf
npprcg,
naq nf gur fheivibef bs Mvba cercner gb znxr gurve ynfg qrsrafr, gur
Fragvaryf
fhqqrayl jvguqenj. Arb ragref gur Zngevk.
Jura ur neevirf, ur svaqf bhg gung rirelbar va gur Zngevk unf orra ghearq
vagb n
pbcl bs Fzvgu. Bar Fzvgu va cnegvphyne, gur bar jvgu gur Benpyr'f rlrf,
fubjf hc
gb gnhag naq pbasebag uvz. (Sbe ernfbaf arire ragveryl rkcynvarq, ur vf ng
yrnfg
nf fgebat naq snfg nf Arb vf abj, naq ur pna nyfb syl.) Gur gjb bs gurz
unir n
znffvir onggyr va gur fxl nobir gur pvgl, juvpu Fzvgu jvaf. Arb vf onqyl
orngra,
ohg ershfrf gb fheeraqre; gura Fzvgu nffvzvyngrf uvz. Vg frrzf gb jbex, ohg
gura
(ntnva sbe ernfbaf abg rkcynvarq) fbzrguvat tbrf jebat, naq nyy gur Fzvguf
funggre whfg nf gur bar qvq ng gur raq bs gur svefg zbivr. Fzvgu vf
qrfgeblrq
sbe tbbq, naq nyy gur vaunovgnagf bs gur Zngevk erghearq gb gurve bevtvany
sbez;
ubjrire, Arb vf nccneragyl xvyyrq. (V fnl nccneragyl orpnhfr vg vf arire
rkcynvarq rknpgyl jung unccrarq gb uvz. Gur ynfg jr frr bs uvz vf gur
znpuvarf
ornevat uvz bss va n fbeg bs shareny cebprffvba.)
Gur znpuvarf xrrc gurve jbeq, naq Mvba vf yrsg va crnpr. Va gur ynfg fprar
va
gur zbivr, gur Benpyr naq gur Nepuvgrpg zrrg va n cnex, jurer gur Nepuvgrpg
nqzvgf uvf qrsrng naq nterrf gb eryrnfr nyy uhznaf gung jnag gb or eryrnfrq
sebz
gur Zngevk. (Vs guvf qbrfa'g znxr frafr gb lbh, gehfg zr, vg qvqa'g znxr
nal
zber frafr va gur zbivr.) Gur Benpyr rkcerffrf ure pbasvqrapr gung gurl
jvyy nyy
frr Arb ntnva "fbzr qnl," naq gurer vg raqf.
===
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"We have loved the stars too fondly | a.a. #2001
to be fearful of the night." | http://www.ebonmusings.org
--Tombstone epitaph of | e-mail: ebonmuse!hotmail.com
two amateur astronomers, | ICQ: 8777843
quoted in Carl Sagan's _Cosmos_ | PGP Key ID: 0x5C66F737
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User: "Gregory A Greenman"

Title: Re: Matrix III. 07 Nov 2003 06:39:18 PM
Ba Sev, 07 Abi 2003 18:07:52 TZG, Nqnz Znepmlx
robazhfr@qryrgrguvf.ubgznvy.pbz fnvq...


I'll do better: Here's a plot summation in ROT-13. Anyone who wants to know
what happens, knock yourself out. Be warned that this gives away
everything.

====
Ng gur ortvaavat bs gur zbivr, Arb (fgvyy va n pbzn va gur erny jbeyq)
njnxrf va n genva fgngvba, n fbeg bs yvzob ba gur bhgfxvegf bs gur
Zngevk. Va na nggrzcg gb trg uvz onpx, Zbecurhf naq Gevavgl tb gb
frr gur Benpyr, jub gryyf gurz gung n cebtenz pnyyrq gur Genvazna -
jub unccraf gb or n urapuzna bs gur Zrebivatvna - pbagebyf gur
pbaarpgvba orgjrra gur cynpr jurer Arb vf naq gur erfg bs gur Zngevk.
Fur fraqf Frencu nybat jvgu gur gjb bs gurz gb genpx gur Genvazna
qbja, naq gurl svaq uvz nybat jvgu gur Zrebivatvna va n pyho eha
ol gur ynggre. Gur Zrebivatvna gryyf gurz ur jvyy eryrnfr Arb vs
gurl oevat uvz gur Benpyr'f rlrf (ure npghny rlrf, nccneragyl);
Gevavgl vafgrnq chgf n tha gb uvf urnq naq sbeprf uvz gb yrg Arb tb.

Qvq gurl rire znxr vg pyrne ubj ur tbg gurer? Vs fb, V zvffrq
vg. Nyfb, V qvqa'g haqrefgnaq gur checbfr bs guvf cynpr. Gurl
fnvq vg jnf fbzr fbeg bs yvax orgjrra gur zngevk naq gur erny
jbeyq, ohg jul jbhyq n ohapu bs pbzchgre cebtenzf jnag gung
naq ubj pbhyq gurl hfr vg?
V qvq yvxr gur tvey. V gubhtug gung jnf n avpr gbhpu univat
cebtenzf gung jrer fragvrag naq unq rzbgvbaf.
Nabgure guvat, gur Benpyr znqr fbzr pbzzragf nobhg ybbxvat
qvssrerag. V qvqa'g dhvgr haqrefgnaq gubfr. Gunaxf gb VZQO V
haqrefgnaq jul. Va Zngevk V naq VV Tybevn Sbfgre cynlrq gur
Benpyr. Hasbeghagnyl, fur qvrq orsber svyzvat nal bs ure
fprarf sbe gur guveq svyz, fb Znel Nyvpr gbbx bire. Ubjrire,
va gur pbagrkg bs gur fgbel, V qvqa'g dhvgr haqrefgnaq jung
fur jnf gnyxvat nobhg.
Gur Benpyr nyfb nfxrq Zbecurhf vs ur fgvyy gehfgrq ure. V
qba'g erzrzore jul fur jbhyq unir gubhtug ur'q ybfr ure
gehfg.

Va gur Zngevk, Ntrag Fzvgu pncgherf gur Benpyr. Fur bssref ab
erfvfgnapr nf ur nffvzvyngrf ure naq gheaf ure vagb nabgure Fzvgu -
guvf bar jvgu gur "Benpyr'f rlrf" gur Zrebivatvna jnagrq.

Nybat jvgu gur tvey sebz gur genva fgngvba naq Frencu.
Vagrerfgvatyl, va guvf svyz, Fzvgu nccneragyl unf gb gbhpu
crbcyr gb nffvzvyngr gurz. Va gur frpbaq ur pbhyq qb vg
erzbgryl. Creuncf, vg'f bayl bgure cebtenzf gung erdhver
culfvpny pbagnpg (naq crbcyr abg wnpxrq va ivn gur znpuvarf
wnpxf)?

Onpx va gur erny jbeyq, gurl qrpvqr gb fcyvg hc. Zbecurhf, Avbor,
naq gur erfg bs gur perj bs gur guerr fuvcf cyna gb erghea gb Mvba
gb uryc qrsraq vg ntnvafg gur Fragvaryf, ohg Arb jba'g tb jvgu gurz.
Ur pynvzf ur unf gb tb gb gur znpuvarf' pvgl, naq Avbor tvirf uvz
ure fuvc gb qb fb; Gevavgl tbrf jvgu uvz.

Gur ubeqr bs Fragvaryf neevirf ng Mvba, naq juvyr gur onggyr vf
sbhtug, Arb naq Gevavgl urnq sbe gur znpuvar pvgl ba gur fhesnpr.
Ubjrire, Onar, fgvyy cbffrffrq ol Ntrag Fzvgu, fgbjf njnl ba gur
fuvc naq nzohfurf gurz. Arb vf oyvaqrq qhevat gur svtug (ohearq
va gur snpr jvgu na ryrpgevp pnoyr), ohg fbzrubj ur pna fgvyy
frr, va n jnl (ur qbrfa'g frr culfvpny guvatf nalzber, ohg ur
frrf Fzvgu nf n fvyubhrggr bs benatr sver) naq xvyyf Onar.

Naq jul ur unf tnvarq novyvgvrf va gur erny jbeyq vf arire
rkcynvarq. V jnf guvaxvat gung znlor gur ernfba ur jnf noyr
gb qrfgebl gur fragvaryf va gur frpbaq zbivr jnf orpnhfr gurl
jrer fgvyy va gur zngevk. VBJ, gurer jnf n zngevk jvguva gur
zngevk.

Nf gurve fuvc neevirf ng gur znpuvar pvgl, vg vf ivpvbhfyl nggnpxrq ol
Fragvaryf. Arb hfrf gur fgenatr cbjref ur fbzrubj bognvarq ng gur raq bs
gur ynfg zbivr gb qrfgebl zbfg bs gurz, ohg abg nyy bs gurz. Gurve
fuvc penfurf vafvqr gur znpuvar pvgl, naq Gevavgl vf frireryl jbhaqrq.
Nsgre n fhvgnoyr snerjryy fprar, fur qvrf, naq Arb tbrf ba vagb gur
pvgl nybar. Gurer ur pbasebagf gur znpuvar vagryyvtrapr, naq bssref
gb znxr n qrny: gur znpuvarf pnaabg fgbc Fzvgu (jub vf guerngravat gb
gnxr bire gurve ragver znvasenzr), ohg Arb pna, naq jvyy va rkpunatr
sbe gurz abg qrfgeblvat Mvba. Gur znpuvarf npprcg, naq nf gur fheivibef
bs Mvba cercner gb znxr gurve ynfg qrsrafr, gur Fragvaryf fhqqrayl
jvguqenj. Arb ragref gur Zngevk.

Jnf gung snpr gung Arb gnyxrq gb gur Nepuvgrpg? Gur ibvpr jnf
qvssrerag, ohg gung qbrfa'g arprffnevyl zrna vg jnfa'g.

Jura ur neevirf, ur svaqf bhg gung rirelbar va gur Zngevk unf orra
ghearq vagb n pbcl bs Fzvgu. Bar Fzvgu va cnegvphyne, gur bar jvgu
gur Benpyr'f rlrf, fubjf hc gb gnhag naq pbasebag uvz. (Sbe ernfbaf
arire ragveryl rkcynvarq, ur vf ng yrnfg nf fgebat naq snfg nf Arb
vf abj, naq ur pna nyfb syl.)

V'z guvaxvat gung rirel gvzr Fzvgu nffvzvyngrq fbzrbar, ur
tnvarq gurve cbjref. Gung'f jul ur jnf fb zhpu fgebatre urer.

Gur gjb bs gurz unir n znffvir onggyr
va gur fxl nobir gur pvgl, juvpu Fzvgu jvaf. Arb vf onqyl orngra,
ohg ershfrf gb fheeraqre; gura Fzvgu nffvzvyngrf uvz. Vg frrzf gb
jbex, ohg gura (ntnva sbe ernfbaf abg rkcynvarq) fbzrguvat tbrf
jebat, naq nyy gur Fzvguf funggre whfg nf gur bar qvq ng gur raq
bs gur svefg zbivr.

Nsgre Arb vf nffvzvyngrq, whfg orsber Fzvgu rkcybqrf, gur
znpuvarf qb fbzrguvat gb Arb'f obql va gur erny jbeyq. Nyy jr
frr vf gung gurl fbeg bs guebo be fbzrguvat. V unir ab vqrn
jul gung jbhyq pnhfr Fzvgu gb rkcybqr. (Znlor gurl chzcrq
fbzr Tngbenqr vagb Arb?) VZUB, guvf jnfa'g nal orggre guna ab
rkcynangvba.

Fzvgu vf qrfgeblrq sbe tbbq,

Be, ng yrnfg hagvy Gur Erghea bs gur Xvat.

naq nyy gur
vaunovgnagf bs gur Zngevk erghearq gb gurve bevtvany sbez;
ubjrire, Arb vf nccneragyl xvyyrq. (V fnl nccneragyl orpnhfr vg vf arire
rkcynvarq rknpgyl jung unccrarq gb uvz. Gur ynfg jr frr bs uvz vf gur
znpuvarf ornevat uvz bss va n fbeg bs shareny cebprffvba.)

Vs lbh ybbx ng gur svefg zbivr ba VZQO, lbh'yy frr gung
crbcyr unir abgrq nybg bs fvzvynevgvrf orgjrra Gur Zngevk naq
puevfgvna zlgubybtl. V arire ernyyl gubhtug zhpu nobhg
jurgure be abg gurl jrer vagragvbany, ohg va gur guveq svyz,
jura ur wnpxf va ng gur raq, vg'f cerggl oyngnag gung ur'f
cbfvgvbarq yvxr ur'f ba n pebff.

Gur znpuvarf xrrc gurve jbeq, naq Mvba vf yrsg va crnpr. Va gur ynfg fprar
va gur zbivr, gur Benpyr naq gur Nepuvgrpg zrrg va n cnex, jurer gur
Nepuvgrpg nqzvgf uvf qrsrng naq nterrf gb eryrnfr nyy uhznaf gung jnag
gb or eryrnfrq sebz gur Zngevk. (Vs guvf qbrfa'g znxr frafr gb lbh,
gehfg zr, vg qvqa'g znxr nal zber frafr va gur zbivr.)

V guvax gur Nepuvgrpg unq unq na Hf if Gurz zragnyvgl. Gura
Fzvgu gevrq gb gnxr bire, naq Arb abg bayl nfxrq vs gurl
pbhyq yvir va crnpr, ohg ur bssrerq gb uryc ntnvafg Fzvgu.
Nsgre gung, gur Nepuvgrpg qrpvqrq gung abg nyy cebtenzf jrer
tbbq naq gung crbcyr jrer crbcyr gbb.

Gur Benpyr
rkcerffrf ure pbasvqrapr gung gurl jvyy nyy frr Arb ntnva "fbzr qnl,"
naq gurer vg raqf.
===

Vg'f nyfb arire znqr pyrne jul Fzvgu tnvarq gur cbjref ur unq
va gur frpbaq naq guveq svyzf.
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Title: Re: Matrix III. 08 Nov 2003 11:59:40 AM
Gregory A Greenman <see@sig.below> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a15f84eff7d7e75989ae7@netnews.comcast.net...

Ba Sev, 07 Abi 2003 18:07:52 TZG, Nqnz Znepmlx
robazhfr@qryrgrguvf.ubgznvy.pbz fnvq...


I'll do better: Here's a plot summation in ROT-13. Anyone who wants to
know what happens, knock yourself out. Be warned that this gives away
everything.

====
Ng gur ortvaavat bs gur zbivr, Arb (fgvyy va n pbzn va gur erny jbeyq)
njnxrf va n genva fgngvba, n fbeg bs yvzob ba gur bhgfxvegf bs gur
Zngevk. Va na nggrzcg gb trg uvz onpx, Zbecurhf naq Gevavgl tb gb
frr gur Benpyr, jub gryyf gurz gung n cebtenz pnyyrq gur Genvazna -
jub unccraf gb or n urapuzna bs gur Zrebivatvna - pbagebyf gur
pbaarpgvba orgjrra gur cynpr jurer Arb vf naq gur erfg bs gur Zngevk.
Fur fraqf Frencu nybat jvgu gur gjb bs gurz gb genpx gur Genvazna
qbja, naq gurl svaq uvz nybat jvgu gur Zrebivatvna va n pyho eha
ol gur ynggre. Gur Zrebivatvna gryyf gurz ur jvyy eryrnfr Arb vs
gurl oevat uvz gur Benpyr'f rlrf (ure npghny rlrf, nccneragyl);
Gevavgl vafgrnq chgf n tha gb uvf urnq naq sbeprf uvz gb yrg Arb tb.


Qvq gurl rire znxr vg pyrne ubj ur tbg gurer? Vs fb, V zvffrq
vg.

V qba'g oryvrir gurl qvq.

Nyfb, V qvqa'g haqrefgnaq gur checbfr bs guvf cynpr. Gurl
fnvq vg jnf fbzr fbeg bs yvax orgjrra gur zngevk naq gur erny
jbeyq, ohg jul jbhyq n ohapu bs pbzchgre cebtenzf jnag gung
naq ubj pbhyq gurl hfr vg?

V qba'g guvax gung jnf rire rkcynvarq rvgure.

V qvq yvxr gur tvey. V gubhtug gung jnf n avpr gbhpu univat
cebtenzf gung jrer fragvrag naq unq rzbgvbaf.

Gur bar avpr gbhpu nobhg gur zbivr'f raqvat jnf jura gur tvey ybbxf ng gur
fhaevfr naq fnvq "V qvq vg sbe Arb." Ure sngure fnvq ng gur irel ortvaavat
gung nyy cebtenzf unir gb unir n checbfr, fb V nffhzr ure checbfr orpnzr gb
znxr gur fha pbzr hc.

Nabgure guvat, gur Benpyr znqr fbzr pbzzragf nobhg ybbxvat
qvssrerag. V qvqa'g dhvgr haqrefgnaq gubfr. Gunaxf gb VZQO V
haqrefgnaq jul. Va Zngevk V naq VV Tybevn Sbfgre cynlrq gur
Benpyr. Hasbeghagnyl, fur qvrq orsber svyzvat nal bs ure
fprarf sbe gur guveq svyz, fb Znel Nyvpr gbbx bire. Ubjrire,
va gur pbagrkg bs gur fgbel, V qvqa'g dhvgr haqrefgnaq jung
fur jnf gnyxvat nobhg.

Vg unq fbzrguvat gb qb jvgu ure urycvat gur uhznaf - guvf jnf gur
Zrebivatvna'f eriratr, va fbzr jnl. (Gung jnf rkcynvarq, va fyvtugyl zber
qrgnvy, va gur "Ragre gur Zngevk" ivqrb tnzr.) Fgvyy, guvf jnf gur bar
punatr gung qvqa'g obgure zr - gurl unq ab pubvpr, nsgre nyy.

Gur Benpyr nyfb nfxrq Zbecurhf vs ur fgvyy gehfgrq ure. V
qba'g erzrzore jul fur jbhyq unir gubhtug ur'q ybfr ure
gehfg.

Cebonoyl orpnhfr fur yvrq gb uvz (be ng yrnfg yvrq ol bzvffvba) jura fur
fnvq gung gur Zngevk jbhyq or qrfgeblrq bapr Arb erghearq gb gur Fbhepr.
Gung pbhyq unir unccrarq, bs pbhefr, vs Arb unq pubfra qvssreragyl, gubhtu
pregnvayl abg va gur jnl Zbecurhf nagvpvcngrq.

Va gur Zngevk, Ntrag Fzvgu pncgherf gur Benpyr. Fur bssref ab
erfvfgnapr nf ur nffvzvyngrf ure naq gheaf ure vagb nabgure Fzvgu -
guvf bar jvgu gur "Benpyr'f rlrf" gur Zrebivatvna jnagrq.


Nybat jvgu gur tvey sebz gur genva fgngvba naq Frencu.

Vagrerfgvatyl, va guvf svyz, Fzvgu nccneragyl unf gb gbhpu
crbcyr gb nffvzvyngr gurz. Va gur frpbaq ur pbhyq qb vg
erzbgryl.

Ur pbhyq? V qba'g guvax fb; nf sne nf V erzrzore ur unq gb gbhpu crbcyr va
gur frpbaq bar nyfb.

Creuncf, vg'f bayl bgure cebtenzf gung erdhver
culfvpny pbagnpg (naq crbcyr abg wnpxrq va ivn gur znpuvarf
wnpxf)?

Onpx va gur erny jbeyq, gurl qrpvqr gb fcyvg hc. Zbecurhf, Avbor,
naq gur erfg bs gur perj bs gur guerr fuvcf cyna gb erghea gb Mvba
gb uryc qrsraq vg ntnvafg gur Fragvaryf, ohg Arb jba'g tb jvgu gurz.
Ur pynvzf ur unf gb tb gb gur znpuvarf' pvgl, naq Avbor tvirf uvz
ure fuvc gb qb fb; Gevavgl tbrf jvgu uvz.

Gur ubeqr bs Fragvaryf neevirf ng Mvba, naq juvyr gur onggyr vf
sbhtug, Arb naq Gevavgl urnq sbe gur znpuvar pvgl ba gur fhesnpr.
Ubjrire, Onar, fgvyy cbffrffrq ol Ntrag Fzvgu, fgbjf njnl ba gur
fuvc naq nzohfurf gurz. Arb vf oyvaqrq qhevat gur svtug (ohearq
va gur snpr jvgu na ryrpgevp pnoyr), ohg fbzrubj ur pna fgvyy
frr, va n jnl (ur qbrfa'g frr culfvpny guvatf nalzber, ohg ur
frrf Fzvgu nf n fvyubhrggr bs benatr sver) naq xvyyf Onar.


Naq jul ur unf tnvarq novyvgvrf va gur erny jbeyq vf arire
rkcynvarq. V jnf guvaxvat gung znlor gur ernfba ur jnf noyr
gb qrfgebl gur fragvaryf va gur frpbaq zbivr jnf orpnhfr gurl
jrer fgvyy va gur zngevk. VBJ, gurer jnf n zngevk jvguva gur
zngevk.

Gung cbffvovyvgl bppheerq gb zr nyfb, ohg vg nyjnlf fgehpx zr nf fhcerzryl
ynzr, fb V'z tynq gurl qvqa'g qb gung. Zl ulcbgurfvf jnf gung Arb unq
fbzrubj tnvarq gur novyvgl gb ragre gur Zngevk "jveryrffyl" naq jnf
qvfehcgvat gurve cebtenzzvat sebz jvguva, juvpu jbhyq nyfb rkcynva orggre
ubj ur raqrq hc fghpx va gung genva fgngvba.

Nf gurve fuvc neevirf ng gur znpuvar pvgl, vg vf ivpvbhfyl nggnpxrq ol
Fragvaryf. Arb hfrf gur fgenatr cbjref ur fbzrubj bognvarq ng gur raq bs
gur ynfg zbivr gb qrfgebl zbfg bs gurz, ohg abg nyy bs gurz. Gurve
fuvc penfurf vafvqr gur znpuvar pvgl, naq Gevavgl vf frireryl jbhaqrq.
Nsgre n fhvgnoyr snerjryy fprar, fur qvrf, naq Arb tbrf ba vagb gur
pvgl nybar. Gurer ur pbasebagf gur znpuvar vagryyvtrapr, naq bssref
gb znxr n qrny: gur znpuvarf pnaabg fgbc Fzvgu (jub vf guerngravat gb
gnxr bire gurve ragver znvasenzr), ohg Arb pna, naq jvyy va rkpunatr
sbe gurz abg qrfgeblvat Mvba. Gur znpuvarf npprcg, naq nf gur fheivibef
bs Mvba cercner gb znxr gurve ynfg qrsrafr, gur Fragvaryf fhqqrayl
jvguqenj. Arb ragref gur Zngevk.


Jnf gung snpr gung Arb gnyxrq gb gur Nepuvgrpg? Gur ibvpr jnf
qvssrerag, ohg gung qbrfa'g arprffnevyl zrna vg jnfa'g.

V pna'g guvax bs jub ryfr vg zvtug unir orra, rkprcg V guvax gur Nepuvgrpg
fnvq va Erybnqrq gung ur jbhyqa'g frr Arb ntnva.

Jura ur neevirf, ur svaqf bhg gung rirelbar va gur Zngevk unf orra
ghearq vagb n pbcl bs Fzvgu. Bar Fzvgu va cnegvphyne, gur bar jvgu
gur Benpyr'f rlrf, fubjf hc gb gnhag naq pbasebag uvz. (Sbe ernfbaf
arire ragveryl rkcynvarq, ur vf ng yrnfg nf fgebat naq snfg nf Arb
vf abj, naq ur pna nyfb syl.)


V'z guvaxvat gung rirel gvzr Fzvgu nffvzvyngrq fbzrbar, ur
tnvarq gurve cbjref. Gung'f jul ur jnf fb zhpu fgebatre urer.

Lrf, ohg jub unq gur cbjre gb syl? Gur Benpyr?
[...]

naq nyy gur
vaunovgnagf bs gur Zngevk erghearq gb gurve bevtvany sbez;
ubjrire, Arb vf nccneragyl xvyyrq. (V fnl nccneragyl orpnhfr vg vf arire
rkcynvarq rknpgyl jung unccrarq gb uvz. Gur ynfg jr frr bs uvz vf gur
znpuvarf ornevat uvz bss va n fbeg bs shareny cebprffvba.)


Vs lbh ybbx ng gur svefg zbivr ba VZQO, lbh'yy frr gung
crbcyr unir abgrq nybg bs fvzvynevgvrf orgjrra Gur Zngevk naq
puevfgvna zlgubybtl. V arire ernyyl gubhtug zhpu nobhg
jurgure be abg gurl jrer vagragvbany, ohg va gur guveq svyz,
jura ur wnpxf va ng gur raq, vg'f cerggl oyngnag gung ur'f
cbfvgvbarq yvxr ur'f ba n pebff.

Lrf, V abgvprq gung; vg jnf qrsvavgryl vagragvbany. Gur ernfba V qvqa'g
guvax ur jnf qrnq jnf orpnhfr, nf gur znpuvarf ner ornevat uvz njnl,
gurer'f n zbzrag jurer jr frr gur fprar va benatr, sebz uvf crefcrpgvir.

Gur znpuvarf xrrc gurve jbeq, naq Mvba vf yrsg va crnpr. Va gur ynfg
fprar va gur zbivr, gur Benpyr naq gur Nepuvgrpg zrrg va n cnex, jurer
gur Nepuvgrpg nqzvgf uvf qrsrng naq nterrf gb eryrnfr nyy uhznaf gung
jnag gb or eryrnfrq sebz gur Zngevk. (Vs guvf qbrfa'g znxr frafr gb lbh,
gehfg zr, vg qvqa'g znxr nal zber frafr va gur zbivr.)


V guvax gur Nepuvgrpg unq unq na Hf if Gurz zragnyvgl. Gura
Fzvgu gevrq gb gnxr bire, naq Arb abg bayl nfxrq vs gurl
pbhyq yvir va crnpr, ohg ur bssrerq gb uryc ntnvafg Fzvgu.
Nsgre gung, gur Nepuvgrpg qrpvqrq gung abg nyy cebtenzf jrer
tbbq naq gung crbcyr jrer crbcyr gbb.

Creuncf, ohg vg fgvyy frrzf yvxr vg jnf na nobhg-ghea sne gbb fhqqra gb or
oryvrinoyr. V ernyyl srry nf vs vg raqrq guvf jnl orpnhfr gur nhgubef
qrpvqrq vg whfg unq gb, abg orpnhfr gurer jrer pbzcryyvat cybg ernfbaf sbe
vg.
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Title: Re: Matrix III. 08 Nov 2003 02:09:48 PM
Ba Fng, 08 Abi 2003 17:59:40 TZG, Nqnz Znepmlx
robazhfr@qryrgrguvf.ubgznvy.pbz fnvq...

Gregory A Greenman <see@sig.below> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a15f84eff7d7e75989ae7@netnews.comcast.net...

Ba Sev, 07 Abi 2003 18:07:52 TZG, Nqnz Znepmlx
robazhfr@qryrgrguvf.ubgznvy.pbz fnvq...


I'll do better: Here's a plot summation in ROT-13. Anyone who wants to
know what happens, knock yourself out. Be warned that this gives away
everything.

====
Ng gur ortvaavat bs gur zbivr, Arb (fgvyy va n pbzn va gur erny jbeyq)
njnxrf va n genva fgngvba, n fbeg bs yvzob ba gur bhgfxvegf bs gur
Zngevk. Va na nggrzcg gb trg uvz onpx, Zbecurhf naq Gevavgl tb gb
frr gur Benpyr, jub gryyf gurz gung n cebtenz pnyyrq gur Genvazna -
jub unccraf gb or n urapuzna bs gur Zrebivatvna - pbagebyf gur
pbaarpgvba orgjrra gur cynpr jurer Arb vf naq gur erfg bs gur Zngevk.
Fur fraqf Frencu nybat jvgu gur gjb bs gurz gb genpx gur Genvazna
qbja, naq gurl svaq uvz nybat jvgu gur Zrebivatvna va n pyho eha
ol gur ynggre. Gur Zrebivatvna gryyf gurz ur jvyy eryrnfr Arb vs
gurl oevat uvz gur Benpyr'f rlrf (ure npghny rlrf, nccneragyl);
Gevavgl vafgrnq chgf n tha gb uvf urnq naq sbeprf uvz gb yrg Arb tb.


Qvq gurl rire znxr vg pyrne ubj ur tbg gurer? Vs fb, V zvffrq
vg.


V qba'g oryvrir gurl qvq.

Nyfb, V qvqa'g haqrefgnaq gur checbfr bs guvf cynpr. Gurl
fnvq vg jnf fbzr fbeg bs yvax orgjrra gur zngevk naq gur erny
jbeyq, ohg jul jbhyq n ohapu bs pbzchgre cebtenzf jnag gung
naq ubj pbhyq gurl hfr vg?


V qba'g guvax gung jnf rire rkcynvarq rvgure.

V qvq yvxr gur tvey. V gubhtug gung jnf n avpr gbhpu univat
cebtenzf gung jrer fragvrag naq unq rzbgvbaf.


Gur bar avpr gbhpu nobhg gur zbivr'f raqvat jnf jura gur tvey ybbxf ng gur
fhaevfr naq fnvq "V qvq vg sbe Arb." Ure sngure fnvq ng gur irel ortvaavat
gung nyy cebtenzf unir gb unir n checbfr, fb V nffhzr ure checbfr orpnzr gb
znxr gur fha pbzr hc.

Npghnyyl, gur fxl jnf hahfhnyyl pbybeshy. V guvax gung jnf
jung fur qvq. Abg gur fhaevfr vgfrys, ohg gur hahfhny pbybef
jvgu vg.

Nabgure guvat, gur Benpyr znqr fbzr pbzzragf nobhg ybbxvat
qvssrerag. V qvqa'g dhvgr haqrefgnaq gubfr. Gunaxf gb VZQO V
haqrefgnaq jul. Va Zngevk V naq VV Tybevn Sbfgre cynlrq gur
Benpyr. Hasbeghagnyl, fur qvrq orsber svyzvat nal bs ure
fprarf sbe gur guveq svyz, fb Znel Nyvpr gbbx bire. Ubjrire,
va gur pbagrkg bs gur fgbel, V qvqa'g dhvgr haqrefgnaq jung
fur jnf gnyxvat nobhg.


Vg unq fbzrguvat gb qb jvgu ure urycvat gur uhznaf - guvf jnf gur
Zrebivatvna'f eriratr, va fbzr jnl. (Gung jnf rkcynvarq, va fyvtugyl zber
qrgnvy, va gur "Ragre gur Zngevk" ivqrb tnzr.) Fgvyy, guvf jnf gur bar
punatr gung qvqa'g obgure zr - gurl unq ab pubvpr, nsgre nyy.

Gur Benpyr nyfb nfxrq Zbecurhf vs ur fgvyy gehfgrq ure. V
qba'g erzrzore jul fur jbhyq unir gubhtug ur'q ybfr ure
gehfg.


Cebonoyl orpnhfr fur yvrq gb uvz (be ng yrnfg yvrq ol bzvffvba) jura fur
fnvq gung gur Zngevk jbhyq or qrfgeblrq bapr Arb erghearq gb gur Fbhepr.
Gung pbhyq unir unccrarq, bs pbhefr, vs Arb unq pubfra qvssreragyl, gubhtu
pregnvayl abg va gur jnl Zbecurhf nagvpvcngrq.

Va gur Zngevk, Ntrag Fzvgu pncgherf gur Benpyr. Fur bssref ab
erfvfgnapr nf ur nffvzvyngrf ure naq gheaf ure vagb nabgure Fzvgu -
guvf bar jvgu gur "Benpyr'f rlrf" gur Zrebivatvna jnagrq.


Nybat jvgu gur tvey sebz gur genva fgngvba naq Frencu.

Vagrerfgvatyl, va guvf svyz, Fzvgu nccneragyl unf gb gbhpu
crbcyr gb nffvzvyngr gurz. Va gur frpbaq ur pbhyq qb vg
erzbgryl.


Ur pbhyq? V qba'g guvax fb; nf sne nf V erzrzore ur unq gb gbhpu crbcyr va
gur frpbaq bar nyfb.

Va gur svefg zbivr, rnpu ntrag pbhyq whfg cbffrf nal obql
gurl jnagrq. Guvf jnf fubja n srj gvzrf. Gur ebbsgbc fprar
jurer Arb naq Gevavgl ner nobhg gb erfphr Zbecurhf vf n tbbq
rknzcyr. Bar bs gur ntragf cbffrffrf gur uryvpbcgre cvybg.
Va gur frpbaq svyz, jura ur jnf svtugvat Arb, Fzvgu cbffrffrq
rirelbar va gur nern, ohg ur qvqa'g gbhpu gurz gb qb vg. V
guvax gung guvf pna fbeg bs or rkcynvarq nf gung n abezny
ntrag pna cbffrff nal uhzna erzbgryl, ohg bayl bar ng n gvzr.
Fzvgu, jvgu uvf rkgen cbjref pna cbffrff zhygvcyr uhznaf
erzbgryl, ohg nalbar gung'f abg wnpxrq va va gur hfhny znaare
pna bayl or nffvzvyngrq ol gbhpu naq bgure cebtenzf pna bayl
or nffvzvyngrq ol gbhpu.

Creuncf, vg'f bayl bgure cebtenzf gung erdhver
culfvpny pbagnpg (naq crbcyr abg wnpxrq va ivn gur znpuvarf
wnpxf)?

Onpx va gur erny jbeyq, gurl qrpvqr gb fcyvg hc. Zbecurhf, Avbor,
naq gur erfg bs gur perj bs gur guerr fuvcf cyna gb erghea gb Mvba
gb uryc qrsraq vg ntnvafg gur Fragvaryf, ohg Arb jba'g tb jvgu gurz.
Ur pynvzf ur unf gb tb gb gur znpuvarf' pvgl, naq Avbor tvirf uvz
ure fuvc gb qb fb; Gevavgl tbrf jvgu uvz.

Gur ubeqr bs Fragvaryf neevirf ng Mvba, naq juvyr gur onggyr vf
sbhtug, Arb naq Gevavgl urnq sbe gur znpuvar pvgl ba gur fhesnpr.
Ubjrire, Onar, fgvyy cbffrffrq ol Ntrag Fzvgu, fgbjf njnl ba gur
fuvc naq nzohfurf gurz. Arb vf oyvaqrq qhevat gur svtug (ohearq
va gur snpr jvgu na ryrpgevp pnoyr), ohg fbzrubj ur pna fgvyy
frr, va n jnl (ur qbrfa'g frr culfvpny guvatf nalzber, ohg ur
frrf Fzvgu nf n fvyubhrggr bs benatr sver) naq xvyyf Onar.


Naq jul ur unf tnvarq novyvgvrf va gur erny jbeyq vf arire
rkcynvarq. V jnf guvaxvat gung znlor gur ernfba ur jnf noyr
gb qrfgebl gur fragvaryf va gur frpbaq zbivr jnf orpnhfr gurl
jrer fgvyy va gur zngevk. VBJ, gurer jnf n zngevk jvguva gur
zngevk.


Gung cbffvovyvgl bppheerq gb zr nyfb, ohg vg nyjnlf fgehpx zr nf fhcerzryl
ynzr, fb V'z tynq gurl qvqa'g qb gung. Zl ulcbgurfvf jnf gung Arb unq
fbzrubj tnvarq gur novyvgl gb ragre gur Zngevk "jveryrffyl" naq jnf
qvfehcgvat gurve cebtenzzvat sebz jvguva, juvpu jbhyq nyfb rkcynva orggre
ubj ur raqrq hc fghpx va gung genva fgngvba.

Rkprcg gung gur fragvaryf jrera'g cneg bs gur zngevk.

Nf gurve fuvc neevirf ng gur znpuvar pvgl, vg vf ivpvbhfyl nggnpxrq ol
Fragvaryf. Arb hfrf gur fgenatr cbjref ur fbzrubj bognvarq ng gur raq bs
gur ynfg zbivr gb qrfgebl zbfg bs gurz, ohg abg nyy bs gurz. Gurve
fuvc penfurf vafvqr gur znpuvar pvgl, naq Gevavgl vf frireryl jbhaqrq.
Nsgre n fhvgnoyr snerjryy fprar, fur qvrf, naq Arb tbrf ba vagb gur
pvgl nybar. Gurer ur pbasebagf gur znpuvar vagryyvtrapr, naq bssref
gb znxr n qrny: gur znpuvarf pnaabg fgbc Fzvgu (jub vf guerngravat gb
gnxr bire gurve ragver znvasenzr), ohg Arb pna, naq jvyy va rkpunatr
sbe gurz abg qrfgeblvat Mvba. Gur znpuvarf npprcg, naq nf gur fheivibef
bs Mvba cercner gb znxr gurve ynfg qrsrafr, gur Fragvaryf fhqqrayl
jvguqenj. Arb ragref gur Zngevk.


Jnf gung snpr gung Arb gnyxrq gb gur Nepuvgrpg? Gur ibvpr jnf
qvssrerag, ohg gung qbrfa'g arprffnevyl zrna vg jnfa'g.


V pna'g guvax bs jub ryfr vg zvtug unir orra, rkprcg V guvax gur Nepuvgrpg
fnvq va Erybnqrq gung ur jbhyqa'g frr Arb ntnva.

Jura ur neevirf, ur svaqf bhg gung rirelbar va gur Zngevk unf orra
ghearq vagb n pbcl bs Fzvgu. Bar Fzvgu va cnegvphyne, gur bar jvgu
gur Benpyr'f rlrf, fubjf hc gb gnhag naq pbasebag uvz. (Sbe ernfbaf
arire ragveryl rkcynvarq, ur vf ng yrnfg nf fgebat naq snfg nf Arb
vf abj, naq ur pna nyfb syl.)


V'z guvaxvat gung rirel gvzr Fzvgu nffvzvyngrq fbzrbar, ur
tnvarq gurve cbjref. Gung'f jul ur jnf fb zhpu fgebatre urer.


Lrf, ohg jub unq gur cbjre gb syl? Gur Benpyr?

Fbzrbar jr unqa'g frra?

[...]

naq nyy gur
vaunovgnagf bs gur Zngevk erghearq gb gurve bevtvany sbez;
ubjrire, Arb vf nccneragyl xvyyrq. (V fnl nccneragyl orpnhfr vg vf arire
rkcynvarq rknpgyl jung unccrarq gb uvz. Gur ynfg jr frr bs uvz vf gur
znpuvarf ornevat uvz bss va n fbeg bs shareny cebprffvba.)


Vs lbh ybbx ng gur svefg zbivr ba VZQO, lbh'yy frr gung
crbcyr unir abgrq nybg bs fvzvynevgvrf orgjrra Gur Zngevk naq
puevfgvna zlgubybtl. V arire ernyyl gubhtug zhpu nobhg
jurgure be abg gurl jrer vagragvbany, ohg va gur guveq svyz,
jura ur wnpxf va ng gur raq, vg'f cerggl oyngnag gung ur'f
cbfvgvbarq yvxr ur'f ba n pebff.


Lrf, V abgvprq gung; vg jnf qrsvavgryl vagragvbany. Gur ernfba V qvqa'g
guvax ur jnf qrnq jnf orpnhfr, nf gur znpuvarf ner ornevat uvz njnl,
gurer'f n zbzrag jurer jr frr gur fprar va benatr, sebz uvf crefcrpgvir.

V qvqa'g abgvpr gung.

Gur znpuvarf xrrc gurve jbeq, naq Mvba vf yrsg va crnpr. Va gur ynfg
fprar va gur zbivr, gur Benpyr naq gur Nepuvgrpg zrrg va n cnex, jurer
gur Nepuvgrpg nqzvgf uvf qrsrng naq nterrf gb eryrnfr nyy uhznaf gung
jnag gb or eryrnfrq sebz gur Zngevk. (Vs guvf qbrfa'g znxr frafr gb lbh,
gehfg zr, vg qvqa'g znxr nal zber frafr va gur zbivr.)


V guvax gur Nepuvgrpg unq unq na Hf if Gurz zragnyvgl. Gura
Fzvgu gevrq gb gnxr bire, naq Arb abg bayl nfxrq vs gurl
pbhyq yvir va crnpr, ohg ur bssrerq gb uryc ntnvafg Fzvgu.
Nsgre gung, gur Nepuvgrpg qrpvqrq gung abg nyy cebtenzf jrer
tbbq naq gung crbcyr jrer crbcyr gbb.


Creuncf, ohg vg fgvyy frrzf yvxr vg jnf na nobhg-ghea sne gbb fhqqra gb or
oryvrinoyr. V ernyyl srry nf vs vg raqrq guvf jnl orpnhfr gur nhgubef
qrpvqrq vg whfg unq gb, abg orpnhfr gurer jrer pbzcryyvat cybg ernfbaf sbe
vg.

Cerfhznoyl, gur ehyr gung nyy cebtenzf zhfg unir n checbfr
jnf uvf ehyr. Cerfhznoyl, gung ehyr jbhyq nccyl gb uhznaf
gbb. Uhznaf gung jrera'g fhccylvat cbjre gb gur zngevk jbhyq
unir ab checbfr nf sne nf ur jnf pbaprearq, fb ur'q gel gb
qryrgr gurz. Gunaxf gb Fzvgu, gur Benpyr naq Arb, ur fnj gur
reebe bs uvf jnlf.
V qb nterr, ubjrire, gung gur nhgubef frrzrq gb whfg jnag gur
fgbel gb raq guvf jnl. Jr znl or noyr gb svyy va gur ubyrf,
ohg n jryy jevggra fgbel qbrfa'g unir ubyrf arrqvat gb or
svyyrq va.
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User: "Kevin Anthoney"

Title: Re: Matrix III. 08 Nov 2003 10:49:47 AM
Gregory A Greenman wrote:

Ba Sev, 07 Abi 2003 18:07:52 TZG, Nqnz Znepmlx
robazhfr@qryrgrguvf.ubgznvy.pbz fnvq...


I'll do better: Here's a plot summation in ROT-13. Anyone who wants to
know what happens, knock yourself out. Be warned that this gives away
everything.

====
Ng gur ortvaavat bs gur zbivr, Arb (fgvyy va n pbzn va gur erny jbeyq)
njnxrf va n genva fgngvba, n fbeg bs yvzob ba gur bhgfxvegf bs gur
Zngevk. Va na nggrzcg gb trg uvz onpx, Zbecurhf naq Gevavgl tb gb
frr gur Benpyr, jub gryyf gurz gung n cebtenz pnyyrq gur Genvazna -
jub unccraf gb or n urapuzna bs gur Zrebivatvna - pbagebyf gur
pbaarpgvba orgjrra gur cynpr jurer Arb vf naq gur erfg bs gur Zngevk.
Fur fraqf Frencu nybat jvgu gur gjb bs gurz gb genpx gur Genvazna
qbja, naq gurl svaq uvz nybat jvgu gur Zrebivatvna va n pyho eha
ol gur ynggre. Gur Zrebivatvna gryyf gurz ur jvyy eryrnfr Arb vs
gurl oevat uvz gur Benpyr'f rlrf (ure npghny rlrf, nccneragyl);
Gevavgl vafgrnq chgf n tha gb uvf urnq naq sbeprf uvz gb yrg Arb tb.



Qvq gurl rire znxr vg pyrne ubj ur tbg gurer? Vs fb, V zvffrq
vg. Nyfb, V qvqa'g haqrefgnaq gur checbfr bs guvf cynpr. Gurl
fnvq vg jnf fbzr fbeg bs yvax orgjrra gur zngevk naq gur erny
jbeyq, ohg jul jbhyq n ohapu bs pbzchgre cebtenzf jnag gung
naq ubj pbhyq gurl hfr vg?

V qvq yvxr gur tvey. V gubhtug gung jnf n avpr gbhpu univat
cebtenzf gung jrer fragvrag naq unq rzbgvbaf.

Nabgure guvat, gur Benpyr znqr fbzr pbzzragf nobhg ybbxvat
qvssrerag. V qvqa'g dhvgr haqrefgnaq gubfr. Gunaxf gb VZQO V
haqrefgnaq jul. Va Zngevk V naq VV Tybevn Sbfgre cynlrq gur
Benpyr. Hasbeghagnyl, fur qvrq orsber svyzvat nal bs ure
fprarf sbe gur guveq svyz, fb Znel Nyvpr gbbx bire. Ubjrire,
va gur pbagrkg bs gur fgbel, V qvqa'g dhvgr haqrefgnaq jung
fur jnf gnyxvat nobhg.

Gur Benpyr nyfb nfxrq Zbecurhf vs ur fgvyy gehfgrq ure. V
qba'g erzrzore jul fur jbhyq unir gubhtug ur'q ybfr ure
gehfg.

[...]
Beat *that*, Manny!
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
.


User: "Bill, The Avender"

Title: Re: Matrix III. 08 Nov 2003 10:00:33 AM
In alt.atheism on Fri, 07 Nov 2003 18:07:52 GMT, "Adam Marczyk"
<ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote:
<snip>

I'll do better: Here's a plot summation in ROT-13. Anyone who wants to know
what happens, knock yourself out. Be warned that this gives away
everything.

That was _quite_ a good solution. Thanks! :-) I think I'm still
going to go see it, but at least now I won't be hoping to enjoy
anything more than the computer animation (I'm always a sucker for
cgi). :-)
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User: "Adam Marczyk"

Title: Re: Matrix III. 08 Nov 2003 11:51:19 AM
Bill, The Avender <Avender@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
news:3fb312da.41257150@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...

In alt.atheism on Fri, 07 Nov 2003 18:07:52 GMT, "Adam Marczyk"
<ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

I'll do better: Here's a plot summation in ROT-13. Anyone who wants to
know what happens, knock yourself out. Be warned that this gives away
everything.


That was _quite_ a good solution. Thanks! :-) I think I'm still
going to go see it, but at least now I won't be hoping to enjoy
anything more than the computer animation (I'm always a sucker for
cgi). :-)

I think I would have enjoyed the movie more if I had known what was going
to happen - at least that way I could have been prepared for the
disappointment. But heck, maybe you'll like it - some people have.
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User: "Jos Flachs"

Title: Re: Matrix III. 06 Nov 2003 05:11:08 AM
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 07:15:30 GMT, "Adam Marczyk"
<ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote:

"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:970jqvkp3fskube56317a2iv62gt8elj1i@4ax.com...

- well, just got back from the cinema, and what a total waste of time
that was, or would have been except for the hot dog.


Before walking into the theater, I wouldn't have let any number of bad
reviews dissuade me from seeing it. Now that I have seen it, I wish that
they had.

I rented Matrix II last week. It wasn't worth the 30 Bath ($0.75) I
paid for it. The bag of chips I ate during the movie had more meaning.
Matrix III I put on my "never watch in my entire life" list.
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User: "*nemo*"

Title: Re: OT: Matrix III. 06 Nov 2003 03:47:21 AM
In article <970jqvkp3fskube56317a2iv62gt8elj1i@4ax.com>,
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:

- well, just got back from the cinema, and what a total waste of time
that was, or would have been except for the hot dog.

Sounds more and more like this is a movie series that spiralled into the
oblivion reserved for overfunded, undertalented people. Sort of like the
Alien and Star Wars franchises. Am I right?
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User: "Therion Ware"

Title: Re: OT: Matrix III. 06 Nov 2003 03:59:54 AM
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 09:47:21 GMT in alt.atheism, *nemo* (*nemo*
<nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism

In article <970jqvkp3fskube56317a2iv62gt8elj1i@4ax.com>,
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:

- well, just got back from the cinema, and what a total waste of time
that was, or would have been except for the hot dog.


Sounds more and more like this is a movie series that spiralled into the
oblivion reserved for overfunded, undertalented people. Sort of like the
Alien and Star Wars franchises. Am I right?

Sort of. Though I thought while Alien 3 was rubbish, Alien 4 was
really rather good.
Personally I thought there was a lot of good ideas in Matrix II that
could have been built on in III, but IMO they flushed them all down
the pan in favour of overly long and not well thought out action
sequences.
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User: "Bill, The Avender"

Title: Re: OT: Matrix III. 06 Nov 2003 05:35:34 PM
In alt.atheism on Thu, 06 Nov 2003 09:47:21 GMT, *nemo*
<nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> wrote:

In article <970jqvkp3fskube56317a2iv62gt8elj1i@4ax.com>,
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:

- well, just got back from the cinema, and what a total waste of time
that was, or would have been except for the hot dog.


Sounds more and more like this is a movie series that spiralled into the
oblivion reserved for overfunded, undertalented people. Sort of like the
Alien and Star Wars franchises. Am I right?

I suspect the only reason the first one was _any_ good is because
Keanu's permanent expression of "bored awe" was actually appropriate.
Seriously, has anyone ever heard if he has that disorder where your
facial muscles are paralyzed so you can't smile or make any really
recognizable expressions at all? :-? I recall a few smiles here and
there, but they were so fake, I'd easily believe them to be pure CGI.
--
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User: "chibiabos"

Title: Re: OT: Matrix III. 05 Nov 2003 08:38:03 PM
In article <970jqvkp3fskube56317a2iv62gt8elj1i@4ax.com>, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:

- well, just got back from the cinema, and what a total waste of time
that was, or would have been except for the hot dog.

Matrix II didn't give you a clue?
-chib
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User: "Therion Ware"

Title: Re: OT: Matrix III. 06 Nov 2003 01:46:22 AM
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 18:38:03 -0800 in alt.atheism, chibiabos
(chibiabos <chib@outreach.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism

In article <970jqvkp3fskube56317a2iv62gt8elj1i@4ax.com>, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:

- well, just got back from the cinema, and what a total waste of time
that was, or would have been except for the hot dog.


Matrix II didn't give you a clue?

No. hot dogs were off that day so there was no standard for
comparison...
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User: "Gregory A Greenman"

Title: Re: OT: Matrix III. 06 Nov 2003 02:32:23 AM
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 18:38:03 -0800, chibiabos
chib@outreach.com said...

In article <970jqvkp3fskube56317a2iv62gt8elj1i@4ax.com>, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:

- well, just got back from the cinema, and what a total waste of time
that was, or would have been except for the hot dog.


Matrix II didn't give you a clue?

While Matrix II wasn't nearly as good as the first film, it
at least had some great stuff in it. I really enjoyed the
fight between Neo and the Agent Smiths. Also, the
albino/ghost guys in the freeway chase scene was phenomenal.
Sadly, Matrix III didn't really have any exciting action
sequences at all.
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Missionary of Death
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User: "Johnny Bravo"

Title: Re: OT: Matrix III. 07 Nov 2003 12:08:47 AM
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 08:32:23 GMT, Gregory A Greenman <see@sig.below>
wrote:

While Matrix II wasn't nearly as good as the first film, it
at least had some great stuff in it. I really enjoyed the
fight between Neo and the Agent Smiths.

Loved the fight in the park, for some reason the CGI was more
noticeable at home than it was on the Big Screen.
Sure beats the Dragon Ball Z fight scene in the third movie.
I kept expecting any second that Goku^H^H^H^H Neo would unleash his
Spirit Bomb and destroy Agent Smith.

Also, the
albino/ghost guys in the freeway chase scene was phenomenal.

Love that freeway scene, watching the Twins in the garage was pretty
cool too.

Sadly, Matrix III didn't really have any exciting action
sequences at all.

Speaking of action, you'd think the pilot of an attack platform
would have some friggen armor.
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User: "Gregory A Greenman"

Title: Re: OT: Matrix III. 07 Nov 2003 11:56:14 AM
On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 06:08:47 GMT, Johnny Bravo

said...

On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 08:32:23 GMT, Gregory A Greenman <see@sig.below>
wrote:

While Matrix II wasn't nearly as good as the first film, it
at least had some great stuff in it. I really enjoyed the
fight between Neo and the Agent Smiths.


Loved the fight in the park, for some reason the CGI was more
noticeable at home than it was on the Big Screen.

Sure beats the Dragon Ball Z fight scene in the third movie.
I kept expecting any second that Goku^H^H^H^H Neo would unleash his
Spirit Bomb and destroy Agent Smith.

Also, the
albino/ghost guys in the freeway chase scene was phenomenal.


Love that freeway scene, watching the Twins in the garage was pretty
cool too.

Sadly, Matrix III didn't really have any exciting action
sequences at all.


Speaking of action, you'd think the pilot of an attack platform
would have some friggen armor.

*** Spoiler Warning ***
What I was wondering was, if the EMP on the ship was such a
wonderful weapon, why didn't they have any in Zion? If they
did, it wouldn't matter how many waves of Sentinals were sent
after them. "Oh, another wave of Sentinals. Is the EMP
charged? Good. ~ZAP~ Well, that's another 10,000 sentinals
destroyed."
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User: "Mekkala"

Title: Re: OT: Matrix III. 06 Nov 2003 12:59:24 PM
On 05 Nov 2003, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> screwed up his
face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:970jqvkp3fskube56317a2iv62gt8elj1i@4ax.com:

- well, just got back from the cinema, and what a total waste of time
that was, or would have been except for the hot dog.

Now, now. I heard it was good. I especially heard that the ending was
awesome. While I might end up agreeing with you, I'll wait 'till I see
it to form my own opinions. I tend to have unusual opinions about
movies.
For example, I think that as pathetic as Star Wars I and II were, IV-VI
were three of the most miserably amateur and pitiful movies I've ever
seen in my life. The acting was bad in I and II?! Fer chrissake, the
acting in the originals, with the one exception of Harrison Ford (who
did a fairly good job), looked like what you'd expect to see in a
kindergarten skit! Likewise with the plot and the action. Looks like
kids playing with Transformers. The special effects were fairly good --
for their time, that is -- but then, so were the special effects in
Hollow Man, which was another movie so terrible that I'd find repeatedly
stabbing myself in the eye with a pen more entertaining that actually
watching it.
Every time I hear Star Wars fans talking about what a travesty the
recent movies are, compared to the originals, I just roll my eyes. The
recent movies were significantly better, in much the same way that cow
***** smells significantly better than dog *****.
Ok, anyway, sorry for getting off on a tangent :) But yeah, I'll watch
Matrix III and then form my opinions. We shall see.
P.S. Yeah, and for everyone's information, Princess Leia IS NOT SEXY.
For some reason, this seems to completely escape everyone's notice.
(Sorry, half my relatives are Star Wars fans and I just got back from a
reunion last weekend... so I'm needing to vent after having to listen to
the Lucas-worshippers)
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"When did I realize I was God? Well, I was praying and I suddenly
realized I was talking to myself!"
--Peter O'Toole.
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User: "MarkA"

Title: Re: OT: Matrix III. 06 Nov 2003 05:48:35 PM
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 18:59:24 +0000, Mekkala wrote:

On 05 Nov 2003, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> screwed up his
face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:970jqvkp3fskube56317a2iv62gt8elj1i@4ax.com:

- well, just got back from the cinema, and what a total waste of time
that was, or would have been except for the hot dog.


Now, now. I heard it was good. I especially heard that the ending was
awesome. While I might end up agreeing with you, I'll wait 'till I see it
to form my own opinions. I tend to have unusual opinions about movies.

For example, I think that as pathetic as Star Wars I and II were, IV-VI
were three of the most miserably amateur and pitiful movies I've ever seen
in my life. The acting was bad in I and II?! Fer chrissake, the acting
in the originals, with the one exception of Harrison Ford (who did a
fairly good job), looked like what you'd expect to see in a kindergarten
skit! Likewise with the plot and the action. Looks like kids playing
with Transformers. The special effects were fairly good -- for their
time, that is -- but then, so were the special effects in Hollow Man,
which was another movie so terrible that I'd find repeatedly stabbing
myself in the eye with a pen more entertaining that actually watching it.

Every time I hear Star Wars fans talking about what a travesty the recent
movies are, compared to the originals, I just roll my eyes. The recent
movies were significantly better, in much the same way that cow *****
smells significantly better than dog *****.

Ok, anyway, sorry for getting off on a tangent :) But yeah, I'll watch
Matrix III and then form my opinions. We shall see.

P.S. Yeah, and for everyone's information, Princess Leia IS NOT SEXY. For
some reason, this seems to completely escape everyone's notice.

(Sorry, half my relatives are Star Wars fans and I just got back from a
reunion last weekend... so I'm needing to vent after having to listen to
the Lucas-worshippers)

You forget that the first Star Wars movie was the first well made sci-fi
film since Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey. Even if the plot was shallow
and the acting was mediocre, it was a movie that was obviously lovingly
crafted by a true sci-fi fan!
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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User: "Kevin Anthoney"

Title: Re: OT: Matrix III. 06 Nov 2003 12:05:57 PM
Therion Ware wrote:

- well, just got back from the cinema, and what a total waste of time
that was, or would have been except for the hot dog.

That must have been the red hot dog. If you'd had the blue one, it would
have been much better.
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
.
User: "Gregory Gadow"

Title: Re: OT: Matrix III. 06 Nov 2003 12:11:52 PM
Kevin Anthoney wrote:

Therion Ware wrote:

- well, just got back from the cinema, and what a total waste of time
that was, or would have been except for the hot dog.


That must have been the red hot dog. If you'd had the blue one, it would
have been much better.

I'm still trying to figure out if the Oracle's red candy -- "I love candy"
-- is in any way related to the red pills.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
.


User: "Gregory Gadow"

Title: Re: OT: Matrix III. 06 Nov 2003 08:20:30 AM
Therion Ware wrote:

- well, just got back from the cinema, and what a total waste of time
that was, or would have been except for the hot dog.

The acting was almost non-existant and the plot was even flimsier. From a
technical point of view, the movie is well worth watching for the CGI.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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