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"Dr Dave W" |
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29 Jun 2004 06:26:30 PM |
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OT-My voting registration was forged! |
I received a post card in the mail today notifying me of my new voter
registration. That confused me because I have been registered since I was
18. I haven't made any changes. But here I am with this card saying I am
now a Democrat. I call the Registrar of Voters office. The woman pulls up
the info and after a little bit of detective work informs me that I have
been forged. Luckily this won't affect my voting ability. Very interesting.
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Dave W a.a.#1967
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: OT-My voting registration was forged! |
29 Jun 2004 07:45:40 PM |
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"Dr Dave W" <askme@formyaddy.comINVALID> wrote in message
news:Xns9517A79C3A8B9ou812@199.45.49.11...
I received a post card in the mail today notifying me of my new voter
registration. That confused me because I have been registered since I was
18. I haven't made any changes. But here I am with this card saying I am
now a Democrat. I call the Registrar of Voters office. The woman pulls up
the info and after a little bit of detective work informs me that I have
been forged. Luckily this won't affect my voting ability. Very
interesting.
Hmm. You must live in Chicago.
When I lived there they told me the streets
are dangerous on election day because of all
the dead people driving to the polls.
Actually though, that is pretty serious.
How could that happen? Why would that happen?
It would be kind of pointless unless it were
part of a big effort but in that case it would
be easy to detect. Strange.
Are you sure it wasn't a mistake?
--
RB
aa#2187
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| Title: Re: OT-My voting registration was forged! |
29 Jun 2004 08:06:46 PM |
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"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <jing@topway.net.cn> wrote in
news:U2oEc.8767$SO5.2750@twister.socal.rr.com:
"Dr Dave W" <askme@formyaddy.comINVALID> wrote in message
news:Xns9517A79C3A8B9ou812@199.45.49.11...
I received a post card in the mail today notifying me of my new voter
registration. That confused me because I have been registered since I
was 18. I haven't made any changes. But here I am with this card
saying I am now a Democrat. I call the Registrar of Voters office.
The woman pulls up the info and after a little bit of detective work
informs me that I have been forged. Luckily this won't affect my
voting ability. Very
interesting.
Hmm. You must live in Chicago.
When I lived there they told me the streets
are dangerous on election day because of all
the dead people driving to the polls.
Actually though, that is pretty serious.
How could that happen? Why would that happen?
It would be kind of pointless unless it were
part of a big effort but in that case it would
be easy to detect. Strange.
Are you sure it wasn't a mistake?
--
RB
aa#2187
California
The woman mentioned third party registering agencies. All there was, was
a signature(not mine) but no SSN/drivers license etc. My name was
probably harvested from some mailing list, this agency probably used my
name and adress to make money from whoever employed them.
--
Dave W a.a.#1967
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: OT-My voting registration was forged! |
29 Jun 2004 08:50:38 PM |
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"Dr Dave W" <askme@formyaddy.comINVALID> wrote in message
news:Xns9517B89BAB219ou812@199.45.49.11...
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <jing@topway.net.cn> wrote in
news:U2oEc.8767$SO5.2750@twister.socal.rr.com:
"Dr Dave W" <askme@formyaddy.comINVALID> wrote in message
news:Xns9517A79C3A8B9ou812@199.45.49.11...
I received a post card in the mail today notifying me of my new voter
registration. That confused me because I have been registered since I
was 18. I haven't made any changes. But here I am with this card
saying I am now a Democrat. I call the Registrar of Voters office.
The woman pulls up the info and after a little bit of detective work
informs me that I have been forged. Luckily this won't affect my
voting ability. Very
interesting.
Hmm. You must live in Chicago.
When I lived there they told me the streets
are dangerous on election day because of all
the dead people driving to the polls.
(Did you get this joke?)
Actually though, that is pretty serious.
How could that happen? Why would that happen?
It would be kind of pointless unless it were
part of a big effort but in that case it would
be easy to detect. Strange.
Are you sure it wasn't a mistake?
--
RB
aa#2187
California
The woman mentioned third party registering agencies. All there was, was
a signature(not mine) but no SSN/drivers license etc. My name was
probably harvested from some mailing list, this agency probably used my
name and adress to make money from whoever employed them.
Whoa. This is serious.
I'm in California too and I take this seriously.
There *must* be accountability and traceability.
The Registrar's record should show which 'third party
registering agency' submitted the registration.
If the record doesn't show that, *that is a Problem*.
The 'third party registering agency' should have records
of the identification of the person who presented
themself to register.
If they don't have that, *that is a Problem*.
I don't know if you are motivated, but complaints
should be made. Maybe to the FEC, maybe
to the media.
--
RB
aa#2187
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| User: "Dr Dave W" |
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| Title: Re: OT-My voting registration was forged! |
29 Jun 2004 09:59:13 PM |
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"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <jing@topway.net.cn> wrote in news:O%oEc.9065
$SO5.4602@twister.socal.rr.com:
"Dr Dave W" <askme@formyaddy.comINVALID> wrote in message
news:Xns9517B89BAB219ou812@199.45.49.11...
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <jing@topway.net.cn> wrote in
news:U2oEc.8767$SO5.2750@twister.socal.rr.com:
"Dr Dave W" <askme@formyaddy.comINVALID> wrote in message
news:Xns9517A79C3A8B9ou812@199.45.49.11...
I received a post card in the mail today notifying me of my new
voter
registration. That confused me because I have been registered since
I
was 18. I haven't made any changes. But here I am with this card
saying I am now a Democrat. I call the Registrar of Voters office.
The woman pulls up the info and after a little bit of detective
work
informs me that I have been forged. Luckily this won't affect my
voting ability. Very
interesting.
Hmm. You must live in Chicago.
When I lived there they told me the streets
are dangerous on election day because of all
the dead people driving to the polls.
(Did you get this joke?)
Yeah, I just got focused on my reply below... It's a funny joke and yet
not funny at all...
Actually though, that is pretty serious.
How could that happen? Why would that happen?
It would be kind of pointless unless it were
part of a big effort but in that case it would
be easy to detect. Strange.
Are you sure it wasn't a mistake?
--
RB
aa#2187
California
The woman mentioned third party registering agencies. All there was,
was
a signature(not mine) but no SSN/drivers license etc. My name was
probably harvested from some mailing list, this agency probably used
my
name and adress to make money from whoever employed them.
Whoa. This is serious.
I'm in California too and I take this seriously.
There *must* be accountability and traceability.
The Registrar's record should show which 'third party
registering agency' submitted the registration.
If the record doesn't show that, *that is a Problem*.
The 'third party registering agency' should have records
of the identification of the person who presented
themself to register.
If they don't have that, *that is a Problem*.
I don't know if you are motivated, but complaints
should be made. Maybe to the FEC, maybe
to the media.
You would think they would pursue the matter... I wonder if the
registering affidavit has a paper trail to show who filed it? She seemed
puzzled but it didn't seem to alarm her. I have been thinking about how I
am going to follow this up. I think the media might be an interesting
choice. It would probably get better results.
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Dave W a.a.#1967
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| User: "Desdinova" |
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29 Jun 2004 08:54:29 PM |
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"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <jing@topway.net.cn> wrote in message
news:O%oEc.9065$SO5.4602@twister.socal.rr.com...
"Dr Dave W" <askme@formyaddy.comINVALID> wrote in message
news:Xns9517B89BAB219ou812@199.45.49.11...
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <jing@topway.net.cn> wrote in
news:U2oEc.8767$SO5.2750@twister.socal.rr.com:
"Dr Dave W" <askme@formyaddy.comINVALID> wrote in message
news:Xns9517A79C3A8B9ou812@199.45.49.11...
I received a post card in the mail today notifying me of my new voter
registration. That confused me because I have been registered since I
was 18. I haven't made any changes. But here I am with this card
saying I am now a Democrat. I call the Registrar of Voters office.
The woman pulls up the info and after a little bit of detective work
informs me that I have been forged. Luckily this won't affect my
voting ability. Very
interesting.
Hmm. You must live in Chicago.
When I lived there they told me the streets
are dangerous on election day because of all
the dead people driving to the polls.
(Did you get this joke?)
Actually though, that is pretty serious.
How could that happen? Why would that happen?
It would be kind of pointless unless it were
part of a big effort but in that case it would
be easy to detect. Strange.
Are you sure it wasn't a mistake?
--
RB
aa#2187
California
The woman mentioned third party registering agencies. All there was, was
a signature(not mine) but no SSN/drivers license etc. My name was
probably harvested from some mailing list, this agency probably used my
name and adress to make money from whoever employed them.
Whoa. This is serious.
I'm in California too and I take this seriously.
There *must* be accountability and traceability.
The Registrar's record should show which 'third party
registering agency' submitted the registration.
If the record doesn't show that, *that is a Problem*.
The 'third party registering agency' should have records
of the identification of the person who presented
themself to register.
If they don't have that, *that is a Problem*.
I don't know if you are motivated, but complaints
should be made. Maybe to the FEC, maybe
to the media.
When I lived in Chicago there was a saying on voting days:
"Vote early, vote often."
--
Desdinova aa #2182
EAC Director of Separation of Church and Brain
There are none so blind as those who view life filtered
through the stained glass of church windows.
"Christianity has such a contemptible opinion of human
nature that it does not believe a man can tell the truth
unless frightened by a belief in God. No lower opinion
of the human race has ever been expressed."
-- Robert Green Ingersoll
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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29 Jun 2004 09:27:52 PM |
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"Desdinova" <desdinova@nodamnspam.com> wrote in message
news:p3pEc.174731$DG4.40105@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <jing@topway.net.cn> wrote in message
news:O%oEc.9065$SO5.4602@twister.socal.rr.com...
"Dr Dave W" <askme@formyaddy.comINVALID> wrote in message
news:Xns9517B89BAB219ou812@199.45.49.11...
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <jing@topway.net.cn> wrote in
news:U2oEc.8767$SO5.2750@twister.socal.rr.com:
"Dr Dave W" <askme@formyaddy.comINVALID> wrote in message
news:Xns9517A79C3A8B9ou812@199.45.49.11...
I received a post card in the mail today notifying me of my new
voter
registration. That confused me because I have been registered since
I
was 18. I haven't made any changes. But here I am with this card
saying I am now a Democrat. I call the Registrar of Voters office.
The woman pulls up the info and after a little bit of detective
work
informs me that I have been forged. Luckily this won't affect my
voting ability. Very
interesting.
Hmm. You must live in Chicago.
When I lived there they told me the streets
are dangerous on election day because of all
the dead people driving to the polls.
(Did you get this joke?)
Actually though, that is pretty serious.
How could that happen? Why would that happen?
It would be kind of pointless unless it were
part of a big effort but in that case it would
be easy to detect. Strange.
Are you sure it wasn't a mistake?
--
RB
aa#2187
California
The woman mentioned third party registering agencies. All there was,
was
a signature(not mine) but no SSN/drivers license etc. My name was
probably harvested from some mailing list, this agency probably used
my
name and adress to make money from whoever employed them.
Whoa. This is serious.
I'm in California too and I take this seriously.
There *must* be accountability and traceability.
The Registrar's record should show which 'third party
registering agency' submitted the registration.
If the record doesn't show that, *that is a Problem*.
The 'third party registering agency' should have records
of the identification of the person who presented
themself to register.
If they don't have that, *that is a Problem*.
I don't know if you are motivated, but complaints
should be made. Maybe to the FEC, maybe
to the media.
When I lived in Chicago there was a saying on voting days:
"Vote early, vote often."
:) Yeah, I remember that one too.
It has migrated out west here too, but isn't
that common.
I miss Chicago politics.... like the time
the standard city hall security search of an alderman's
briefcase yielded a large vial of white powder.
The alderman appeared on TV afterward and
professed his courage in that difficult situation.
A couple days later the police announced that
the white powder was baking soda.
Hmm. So why didn't the alderman say it was
baking soda to begin with?
And why does an alderman carry a vial of
baking soda?
Gotta love Chicago politics.
--
RB
aa#2187
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| User: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Micha=EBlM?=" |
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29 Jun 2004 06:48:53 PM |
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Dr Dave W a écrit :
I received a post card in the mail today notifying me of my new voter
registration. That confused me because I have been registered since I was
18. I haven't made any changes. But here I am with this card saying I am
now a Democrat. I call the Registrar of Voters office. The woman pulls up
the info and after a little bit of detective work informs me that I have
been forged. Luckily this won't affect my voting ability. Very interesting.
What do you mean "I am with this card saying I am a democrat"?
It's suppose to be written somewhere?
Well, I'm French, and in France we don't have to say for who we will
vote. Can you explain to me, poor little European, how democracy works
in the U.S.A., because here, sorry but I'm a bit confused...
MichaëlM
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| User: "JTEM" |
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29 Jun 2004 07:12:48 PM |
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"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote
Well, I'm French, and in France we don't have to say for who we
will vote.
Here, it only matters for the primaries.
The Presidential primaries, by the way, are long over.
It really doesn't make any sense. There is no benefit to a Democrat
if non-Democrats vote in their primary. And the party registration
only counts for the primary.
Heck, many places even have open primaries, where party registration
doesn't matter at all.
It sounds like a mistake. Otherwise it would be a crime without a
motive.
Well, for the Democrats.
One might easily imagine a motive for another party...
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| User: "DianaC" |
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29 Jun 2004 07:21:55 PM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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<snip to>
It sounds like a mistake. Otherwise it would be a crime without a
motive.
Well, for the Democrats.
One might easily imagine a motive for another party...
If you can come up with one you have a far more fertile imagination than I
do. What EARTHLY reason would a Republican/Libertarian/Green
Party/Independent have for forging a Democratic registration?
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| User: "JTEM" |
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29 Jun 2004 10:45:40 PM |
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"DianaC" <dianaiad@verizon.net> wrote
It sounds like a mistake. Otherwise it would be a crime without a
motive.
Well, for the Democrats.
One might easily imagine a motive for another party...
If you can come up with one you have a far more fertile imagination
than I do.
That ain't saying much.
Imagine hundreds (or even thousands) of Republicans & Independents
discovering that their registration has been switched to "Democrat"
without their knowledge or consent.
It would be pretty easy to make a "scandal" out of it, grab a few
headlines, though there is not a hint of benefit to the Democrats
for such a move.
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| User: "DianaC" |
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30 Jun 2004 08:23:33 AM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"DianaC" <dianaiad@verizon.net> wrote
It sounds like a mistake. Otherwise it would be a crime without a
motive.
Well, for the Democrats.
One might easily imagine a motive for another party...
If you can come up with one you have a far more fertile imagination
than I do.
That ain't saying much.
Imagine hundreds (or even thousands) of Republicans & Independents
discovering that their registration has been switched to "Democrat"
without their knowledge or consent.
It would be pretty easy to make a "scandal" out of it, grab a few
headlines, though there is not a hint of benefit to the Democrats
for such a move.
Sure there is. What if the vast majority of people 'signed up' like that are
dead already and unable to object?
As the man said 'vote early and vote often..."
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| User: "JTEM" |
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30 Jun 2004 09:21:47 AM |
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"DianaC" <dianaiad@verizon.net> wrote
It would be pretty easy to make a "scandal" out of it, grab a few
headlines, though there is not a hint of benefit to the Democrats
for such a move.
Sure there is. What if the vast majority of people 'signed up' like
that are dead already and unable to object?
So an intentional act was too much for you, but an intentional act
piled on top of a mistake (switching the registration of living
people) isn't?
You're a walking conclusion in search of question...
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| User: "DianaC" |
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30 Jun 2004 01:53:26 PM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"DianaC" <dianaiad@verizon.net> wrote
It would be pretty easy to make a "scandal" out of it, grab a few
headlines, though there is not a hint of benefit to the Democrats
for such a move.
Sure there is. What if the vast majority of people 'signed up' like
that are dead already and unable to object?
So an intentional act was too much for you, but an intentional act
piled on top of a mistake (switching the registration of living
people) isn't?
You're a walking conclusion in search of question...
You are the one who came up with the convoluted one suggesting that
Republicans did it so that they could point the finger at Democrats. ;-)
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| User: "JTEM" |
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30 Jun 2004 09:45:39 PM |
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"DianaC" <dianaiad@verizon.net> wrote
You are the one who came up with the convoluted one
suggesting that Republicans did it so that they could
point the finger at Democrats. ;-)
Actually, my original conclusion was that it had to be a
mistake -- not a conspiracy -- and I repeated this conclusion
at least one other time.
I supported this conclusion by pointing out the inescapable
fact that there is no way for the Democrats (or a particular
Democrat) to benefit from such a move.
Others ("Mekkala," for example) have built on that case,
further demonstrating the utter lack of any benefit to the
Democrats.
If one holds to a conspiracy theory -- that this was an intentional
act -- then one has no choice but to conclude that the Republicans
were behind it.
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| User: "DianaC" |
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01 Jul 2004 08:44:03 AM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"DianaC" <dianaiad@verizon.net> wrote
You are the one who came up with the convoluted one
suggesting that Republicans did it so that they could
point the finger at Democrats. ;-)
Actually, my original conclusion was that it had to be a
mistake -- not a conspiracy -- and I repeated this conclusion
at least one other time.
I supported this conclusion by pointing out the inescapable
fact that there is no way for the Democrats (or a particular
Democrat) to benefit from such a move.
Others ("Mekkala," for example) have built on that case,
further demonstrating the utter lack of any benefit to the
Democrats.
If one holds to a conspiracy theory -- that this was an intentional
act -- then one has no choice but to conclude that the Republicans
were behind it.
Ah, but it has also been shown that there IS a way for the democrats to
benefit. Here's how:
A: Most registration paperwork asks/requires that one put a party
affiliation down (I think that's more so that the party can send you begging
letters) so that it's almost impossible to register to vote without claiming
a preference.
B: The Democratic party has a long and distinguished history of loyal
voting; long after one is planted in the grave, as a matter of fact....
Since the above two statements are true, then you can see the benefit to the
Democratic party of registering people who may not have done so for
themselves, just to insure that their vote gets counted.
Whether the now registered voter is all that excited about it or not. Or
even if he's breathing. ;-)
It would seem to me to be rather stupid, if one is going to do this, to put
one's OWN party in the registration, but then the guy they registered wasn't
dead yet, either, so 'stupid' seems apt.
It's certainly a simpler explaination than having another party go to all
this trouble just so that it could accuse the Dems. Occam's Razor and all
that.
Besides, how would that mess with the Dem's reputation? As has been
mentioned, the Dems DO have a long, glorious history of voting for their
dead....
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| User: "JTEM" |
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04 Jul 2004 04:23:56 PM |
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"DianaC" <dianaiad@verizon.net> wrote
Ah, but it has also been shown that there IS a way for the democrats
to benefit. Here's how:
Cool! I'm never too busy to pass by something lame...
A: Most registration paperwork asks/requires that one put a party
affiliation down
And?
B: The Democratic party has a long and distinguished history of loyal
voting; long after one is planted in the grave, as a matter of fact....
You're kidding, right?
Democrats? Loyal?
Since the above two statements are true,
Troll.
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| User: "DianaC" |
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04 Jul 2004 05:17:22 PM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"DianaC" <dianaiad@verizon.net> wrote
Ah, but it has also been shown that there IS a way for the democrats
to benefit. Here's how:
Cool! I'm never too busy to pass by something lame...
A: Most registration paperwork asks/requires that one put a party
affiliation down
And?
B: The Democratic party has a long and distinguished history of loyal
voting; long after one is planted in the grave, as a matter of fact....
You're kidding, right?
Democrats? Loyal?
Since the above two statements are true,
Troll.
Oh, that's telling me. ;-)
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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04 Jul 2004 05:33:58 PM |
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On Sun, 4 Jul 2004 17:23:56 -0400, "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com>
thought hard and said:
B: The Democratic party has a long and distinguished history of loyal
voting; long after one is planted in the grave, as a matter of fact....
You're kidding, right?
Democrats? Loyal?
The only reason many Democrats support Kerry is because he is not
Bush...
Loyalty my *****, indeed.
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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30 Jun 2004 01:07:00 PM |
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On Wed 30 Jun 2004 08:23:33a, "DianaC" <dianaiad@verizon.net> kicked
back with a beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up, lit up a
joint, then fell asleep again after thoughtfully blurting out:
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:aJKdnVf_B7W0q3_dRVn-sQ@comcast.com...
"DianaC" <dianaiad@verizon.net> wrote
It sounds like a mistake. Otherwise it would be a crime without a
motive.
Well, for the Democrats.
One might easily imagine a motive for another party...
If you can come up with one you have a far more fertile imagination
than I do.
That ain't saying much.
Imagine hundreds (or even thousands) of Republicans & Independents
discovering that their registration has been switched to "Democrat"
without their knowledge or consent.
It would be pretty easy to make a "scandal" out of it, grab a few
headlines, though there is not a hint of benefit to the Democrats
for such a move.
Sure there is. What if the vast majority of people 'signed up' like
that are dead already and unable to object?
As the man said 'vote early and vote often..."
But again, it does the Democrats no good to change an *existing*
registration to Democrat. None whatsoever. If someone were going to
cast a fake vote in their name, it would be entirely unnecessary to
change their registration to Democrat. Getting his vote for the primary
wouldn't do any good, either, since primaries aren't a contest between
parties, but within parties.
You're saying that this may be a case of voter fraud, but tell me,
Diana, what benefit could the Democrats possibly get out of this? It
won't give them an extra vote, if that's what you're thinking.
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"Atheism is ... the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
--Emmett F. Fields
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| User: "DianaC" |
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| Title: Re: OT-My voting registration was forged! |
30 Jun 2004 02:00:17 PM |
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"Mekkala" <joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:Xns951886B8134AAMekkala@199.45.49.11...
On Wed 30 Jun 2004 08:23:33a, "DianaC" <dianaiad@verizon.net> kicked
back with a beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up, lit up a
joint, then fell asleep again after thoughtfully blurting out:
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:aJKdnVf_B7W0q3_dRVn-sQ@comcast.com...
"DianaC" <dianaiad@verizon.net> wrote
It sounds like a mistake. Otherwise it would be a crime without a
motive.
Well, for the Democrats.
One might easily imagine a motive for another party...
If you can come up with one you have a far more fertile imagination
than I do.
That ain't saying much.
Imagine hundreds (or even thousands) of Republicans & Independents
discovering that their registration has been switched to "Democrat"
without their knowledge or consent.
It would be pretty easy to make a "scandal" out of it, grab a few
headlines, though there is not a hint of benefit to the Democrats
for such a move.
Sure there is. What if the vast majority of people 'signed up' like
that are dead already and unable to object?
As the man said 'vote early and vote often..."
But again, it does the Democrats no good to change an *existing*
registration to Democrat. None whatsoever. If someone were going to
cast a fake vote in their name, it would be entirely unnecessary to
change their registration to Democrat. Getting his vote for the primary
wouldn't do any good, either, since primaries aren't a contest between
parties, but within parties.
You're saying that this may be a case of voter fraud, but tell me,
Diana, what benefit could the Democrats possibly get out of this? It
won't give them an extra vote, if that's what you're thinking.
Most states have you register as *something* when you register to vote, even
if it's 'independent'. Thus, his registration would have had something on
it, even if he had no intention of actually voting according to the party to
which he is nominally assigned.
Personally, I think it was probably a goof. Maybe.
I was simply pointing out that it is as logical to suppose that a Democrat
did it in order to get an 'extra vote' as it is to assume that a REpublican
(or other..) did it to set up a 'fraud scenario'. Far simpler an explanation
for one thing, and one that has the virtue of having actually been DONE
before.
So....somebody went and registered a bunch of people to vote. Perhaps to get
extra money on a 'money per registration' deal, perhaps to get all the
ancestors to the polls (a long and cherished tradition among Democrats....)
and one of the names just happened to belong to somebody who was still alive
and caught 'em.
I think that what should be done here is a quick sampling of registered
voters to see whether or not they are all alive.....and go from there. ;-)
However, I was simply pointing out that
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| User: "Hypatia Kosh" |
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| Title: Re: OT-My voting registration was forged! |
30 Jun 2004 11:32:32 AM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<aJKdnVf_B7W0q3_dRVn-sQ@comcast.com>...
"DianaC" <dianaiad@verizon.net> wrote
It sounds like a mistake. Otherwise it would be a crime without a
motive.
Well, for the Democrats.
One might easily imagine a motive for another party...
If you can come up with one you have a far more fertile imagination
than I do.
That ain't saying much.
Imagine hundreds (or even thousands) of Republicans & Independents
discovering that their registration has been switched to "Democrat"
without their knowledge or consent.
It would be pretty easy to make a "scandal" out of it, grab a few
headlines, though there is not a hint of benefit to the Democrats
for such a move.
As said elsewhere in this thread, it looks like a private company
trying to scam some bucks. A bit more mundane than the more
Machiavellian theories, but illustrates the point pretty nicely anyway
.. . .
-Hy
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| User: "Hypatia Kosh" |
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| Title: Re: OT-My voting registration was forged! |
30 Jun 2004 11:30:00 AM |
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"DianaC" <dianaiad@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<DInEc.20241$x9.1621@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:L8ydndhpf7PbmX_dRVn-ug@comcast.com...
<snip to>
It sounds like a mistake. Otherwise it would be a crime without a
motive.
Well, for the Democrats.
One might easily imagine a motive for another party...
If you can come up with one you have a far more fertile imagination than I
do. What EARTHLY reason would a Republican/Libertarian/Green
Party/Independent have for forging a Democratic registration?
An innocent . . . how very charming . . .
-Hy
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| User: "Puck Greenman" |
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| Title: Re: OT-My voting registration was forged! |
30 Jun 2004 01:57:59 PM |
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:21:55 GMT, "DianaC" <dianaiad@verizon.net> with
calm deliberation, and malace aforethought, wrote:
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:L8ydndhpf7PbmX_dRVn-ug@comcast.com...
<snip to>
It sounds like a mistake. Otherwise it would be a crime without a
motive.
Well, for the Democrats.
One might easily imagine a motive for another party...
If you can come up with one you have a far more fertile imagination than I
do. What EARTHLY reason would a Republican/Libertarian/Green
Party/Independent have for forging a Democratic registration?
A Republican wouldn't, but a Democrat might.
It could possibly give him/her an extra vote, by proxy, in some
internal vote.
Puck Greenman
#162
BAAWA Knight.
Blesed is the self righteous xtian,
for his is the sure and certain knowledge
that no matter what load of tripe he
comes out with:
God told him to say it.
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| User: "Martin Crisp" |
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| Title: Re: OT-My voting registration was forged! |
29 Jun 2004 08:11:03 PM |
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:21:55 +1000, DianaC wrote
(in article <DInEc.20241$x9.1621@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>):
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:L8ydndhpf7PbmX_dRVn-ug@comcast.com...
<snip to>
It sounds like a mistake. Otherwise it would be a crime without a
motive.
Well, for the Democrats.
One might easily imagine a motive for another party...
If you can come up with one you have a far more fertile
imagination than I do. What EARTHLY reason would a
Republican/Libertarian/Green Party/Independent have for forging
a Democratic registration?
Leveling allegations (or suggesting the possibility) of tampering
by Democrats?
And I'm not known for having a fertile imagination [head full of
fertiliser is closer]
Have Fun
Martin
--
aa #1792
Almost always SMASHed
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| User: "DianaC" |
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| Title: Re: OT-My voting registration was forged! |
29 Jun 2004 08:32:54 PM |
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"Martin Crisp" <Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BD085047031B5E1DF03865B0@news.ozemail.com.au...
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:21:55 +1000, DianaC wrote
(in article <DInEc.20241$x9.1621@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>):
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:L8ydndhpf7PbmX_dRVn-ug@comcast.com...
<snip to>
It sounds like a mistake. Otherwise it would be a crime without a
motive.
Well, for the Democrats.
One might easily imagine a motive for another party...
If you can come up with one you have a far more fertile
imagination than I do. What EARTHLY reason would a
Republican/Libertarian/Green Party/Independent have for forging
a Democratic registration?
Leveling allegations (or suggesting the possibility) of tampering
by Democrats?
Oh, that is a reach....
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: OT-My voting registration was forged! |
29 Jun 2004 10:48:12 PM |
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"DianaC" <dianaiad@verizon.net> wrote
Leveling allegations (or suggesting the possibility) of tampering
by Democrats?
Oh, that is a reach....
And yet you've already witnessed same, right here!
"My voter registration was forged!" is what started this thread.
Maybe you don't suffer from a lack of imagination, as you had
suggested, but a failure to grasp reality?
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| User: "DianaC" |
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| Title: Re: OT-My voting registration was forged! |
30 Jun 2004 08:22:24 AM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:JaudnbqKCZNfq3_d4p2dnA@comcast.com...
"DianaC" <dianaiad@verizon.net> wrote
Leveling allegations (or suggesting the possibility) of tampering
by Democrats?
Oh, that is a reach....
And yet you've already witnessed same, right here!
"My voter registration was forged!" is what started this thread.
Maybe you don't suffer from a lack of imagination, as you had
suggested, but a failure to grasp reality?
Yes, but to jump to the conclusion that the REPUBLICANS did it? (Grin)
Considering the history of voting fraud, it is far more likely that the
democrats wanted yet another...ahem....'body' in the polls, and simply
goofed; found themselves a rarity; a live person who actually votes and just
might object. ;-)
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: OT-My voting registration was forged! |
30 Jun 2004 09:19:42 AM |
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"DianaC" <dianaiad@verizon.net> wrote
Maybe you don't suffer from a lack of imagination, as you had
suggested, but a failure to grasp reality?
Yes, but to jump to the conclusion that the REPUBLICANS did it?
....
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote
It sounds like a mistake. Otherwise it would be a crime without a
motive.
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| User: "Dr Dave W" |
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| Title: Re: OT-My voting registration was forged! |
30 Jun 2004 12:03:34 AM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in news:JaudnbqKCZNfq3
_d4p2dnA@comcast.com:
"DianaC" <dianaiad@verizon.net> wrote
Leveling allegations (or suggesting the possibility) of tampering
by Democrats?
Oh, that is a reach....
And yet you've already witnessed same, right here!
"My voter registration was forged!" is what started this thread.
Maybe you don't suffer from a lack of imagination, as you had
suggested, but a failure to grasp reality?
According to the registrars office I was forged. By whom, who knows.
Likely the DNC was screwed in a pay per voter registering drive. Also
according to the registrar.
How there is a mistake when someone puposefully used my name and adddress
and signed the affidavit?
--
Dave W a.a.#1967
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| User: "Puck Greenman" |
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| Title: Re: OT-My voting registration was forged! |
30 Jun 2004 02:02:50 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:48:12 -0400, "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> with
calm deliberation, and malace aforethought, wrote:
"DianaC" <dianaiad@verizon.net> wrote
Leveling allegations (or suggesting the possibility) of tampering
by Democrats?
Oh, that is a reach....
And yet you've already witnessed same, right here!
"My voter registration was forged!" is what started this thread.
Maybe you don't suffer from a lack of imagination, as you had
suggested, but a failure to grasp reality?
Personally, in an election year, I wouldn't trust a politician any
farther than I could throw his campaign team.
...And their bus.
In any other year, it would just be as far as I could throw a bus.
Puck Greenman
#162
BAAWA Knight.
Blesed is the self righteous xtian,
for his is the sure and certain knowledge
that no matter what load of tripe he
comes out with:
God told him to say it.
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