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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Daniel Kolle"
Date: 18 Nov 2004 06:17:52 PM
Object: OT: Needing Legal Advice (Urgent!)
I opened my wallet today to pay for some gas and I noticed that all
the money in my wallet was gone. Luckily, I had not yet paid for gas.
My money was stolen. I had left it in my truck overnight with the
doors unlocked. I figure (or at least I did) that since I live out in
the country, would could possibly happen?
"Well, at least it was only eight dollars," I though. WRONG!
In my glove compartment I stored ten dollars in the event of an
emergency. That was stolen, too.
Earlier in the week I thought I had misplaced a twenty dollar
bill. Do you not sometimes accidentally leave your money in a pocket
or something and find it in the wash later? I do, anyway. I have a
feeling that it was stolen, too. I think so because I have yet to find
the bill anywhere--and believe me, I have looked.
I told my neighbor next door about this. I take him to and
from school. Then he told me something very interesting: he saw a red
car and about three people parked right outside my house around two
last night (or this morning, take your pick). He tired to get a tag
number but he was seen and the ***** thieves scurried away like the
fucking cowards they are. He gave me a vague description. It did
little to help me. Until today, that is.
The piece of ***** decided to come back today. My neighbor was
absent from school today and was, rather, watching my house for me (I
did not know this at the time. So yes, he did break and enter). Around
noon today our little thief decided to show up again in his little red
Cavalier. My neighbor walked outside, told him that if he came back
his brains were going to be splattered all over the driveway, and
began to throw gravel at his car. The thief then drove away in haste,
leaving a damn burnout mark on the lawn. This time, my neighbor got a
description. The thief was one of my neighbor's friends.
"It makes perfect sense now," I though to myself. My neighbor
and this thief were ***** at each other. Now why this fucking
thief has to start to ***** with me and not the person who he should
***** with is beyond me. Or, at least, it was. I talked to my neighbor
(whom I will call Bob) about his thieving friend (whom I will call
Tim). He told me yet another interesting story. Apparently, Bob kicked
the ***** out of Tim in a fight earlier in the month and both have been
pissed at each other since. What was the fight over about? Tim's
half-sister, who is Bob's girlfriend. Knowing that another fight with
Bob will be suicide (literally), Tim has decided to ***** with me
thinking that either I will not notice or not doing anything about it.
He is sadly mistaken.
*Whew* What are my legal options? I have no photographs (yet,
anyway); just second-hand testimony. It goes without saying that I do
not have much of a case.
What is the law on shooting trespassers?

--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
.

User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!"

Title: Re: Needing Legal Advice (Urgent!) 18 Nov 2004 07:19:57 PM
"Daniel Kolle" <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:cucqp0pfhog4s5jae4cq53npfrekt9lnev@4ax.com...


I opened my wallet today to pay for some gas and I noticed that all
the money in my wallet was gone. Luckily, I had not yet paid for gas.
My money was stolen. I had left it in my truck overnight with the
doors unlocked. I figure (or at least I did) that since I live out in
the country, would could possibly happen?
"Well, at least it was only eight dollars," I though. WRONG!
In my glove compartment I stored ten dollars in the event of an
emergency. That was stolen, too.
Earlier in the week I thought I had misplaced a twenty dollar
bill. Do you not sometimes accidentally leave your money in a pocket
or something and find it in the wash later? I do, anyway. I have a
feeling that it was stolen, too. I think so because I have yet to find
the bill anywhere--and believe me, I have looked.
I told my neighbor next door about this. I take him to and
from school. Then he told me something very interesting: he saw a red
car and about three people parked right outside my house around two
last night (or this morning, take your pick). He tired to get a tag
number but he was seen and the ***** thieves scurried away like the
fucking cowards they are. He gave me a vague description. It did

He could only vaguely describe someone it supposedly
turns out he is quite familiar with?

little to help me. Until today, that is.
The piece of ***** decided to come back today. My neighbor was
absent from school today and was, rather, watching my house for me (I
did not know this at the time. So yes, he did break and enter).

That is you neighbor broke and entered?

Around
noon today our little thief decided to show up again in his little red
Cavalier. My neighbor walked outside, told him that if he came back
his brains were going to be splattered all over the driveway, and
began to throw gravel at his car. The thief then drove away in haste,
leaving a damn burnout mark on the lawn. This time, my neighbor got a
description. The thief was one of my neighbor's friends.
"It makes perfect sense now," I though to myself. My neighbor
and this thief were ***** at each other. Now why this fucking
thief has to start to ***** with me and not the person who he should
***** with is beyond me. Or, at least, it was. I talked to my neighbor
(whom I will call Bob) about his thieving friend (whom I will call
Tim). He told me yet another interesting story. Apparently, Bob kicked
the ***** out of Tim in a fight earlier in the month and both have been
pissed at each other since. What was the fight over about? Tim's
half-sister, who is Bob's girlfriend. Knowing that another fight with
Bob will be suicide (literally), Tim has decided to ***** with me

Tim is pissed at Bob so Tim robs Bob's neighbor?
Doesn't make sense.

thinking that either I will not notice or not doing anything about it.
He is sadly mistaken.
*Whew* What are my legal options? I have no photographs (yet,
anyway); just second-hand testimony.

Yeah, the first thing I think is that there is no
Tim or red cavalier. Or if there is they have little
to do with your money.
Your neighbor is more familiar with your habits and
environs. It is more likely he took the money.
It definitely sounds like he is too familiar with
your property.

It goes without saying that I do
not have much of a case.

What is the law on shooting trespassers?

Homicide is justified in cases of self-defense.
--
rb #2187
.
User: "JPG"

Title: Re: Needing Legal Advice (Urgent!) 19 Nov 2004 04:56:16 AM
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 01:19:57 GMT, "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!"
<oscar@bellsouth.net.pa> wrote:


"Daniel Kolle" <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:cucqp0pfhog4s5jae4cq53npfrekt9lnev@4ax.com...


I opened my wallet today to pay for some gas and I noticed that all

snip


What is the law on shooting trespassers?


Homicide is justified in cases of self-defense.

I know I am talking about England but the US shares the same common law heritage
and a recent case here highlights that homicide is *not* necessarily legally
justified in cases of a burglar on your premises.
A farmer was convicted of murdering an unarmed burglar who was on his premises.
Because the jury did not believe that the farmer was in any danger of his life
from the burglar, and also the fact that the burglar was shot in the back (with
a shotgun) didn't help, also the reclusive lifestyle of the farmer earned him
the reputation of being a cantankerous old ***** who used to chase off
visitors.
Not surprisingly, this case has brought snorts of righteous indignation from
sections of the press who consider themselves defenders of the middle class
lifestyle. So far the farmer concerned has yet to convince the judiciary of the
rightness of his cause but I have no doubt he will eventually be released and
his charge lessened to manslaughter or he will be let off as committing
justifiable homicide.
JPG
.
User: "Therion Ware"

Title: Re: Needing Legal Advice (Urgent!) 19 Nov 2004 05:38:09 AM
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:56:16 +0000 in alt.atheism, JPG (JPG
<me@privacy.net>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 01:19:57 GMT, "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!"
<oscar@bellsouth.net.pa> wrote:


"Daniel Kolle" <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:cucqp0pfhog4s5jae4cq53npfrekt9lnev@4ax.com...


I opened my wallet today to pay for some gas and I noticed that all

snip


What is the law on shooting trespassers?


Homicide is justified in cases of self-defense.


I know I am talking about England but the US shares the same common law heritage
and a recent case here highlights that homicide is *not* necessarily legally
justified in cases of a burglar on your premises.

A farmer was convicted of murdering an unarmed burglar who was on his premises.
Because the jury did not believe that the farmer was in any danger of his life
from the burglar, and also the fact that the burglar was shot in the back (with
a shotgun) didn't help, also the reclusive lifestyle of the farmer earned him
the reputation of being a cantankerous old ***** who used to chase off
visitors.

Not surprisingly, this case has brought snorts of righteous indignation from
sections of the press who consider themselves defenders of the middle class
lifestyle. So far the farmer concerned has yet to convince the judiciary of the
rightness of his cause but I have no doubt he will eventually be released and
his charge lessened to manslaughter or he will be let off as committing
justifiable homicide.

Tony Martin? He was released on appeal months ago. I think the grounds
were diminished responsibility, though I'm not entirely convinced that
being a dangerous nutter should count with respect to that
determination...
.

User: "Christopher A. Lee"

Title: Re: Needing Legal Advice (Urgent!) 19 Nov 2004 06:28:16 AM
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:56:16 +0000, JPG <me@privacy.net> wrote:

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 01:19:57 GMT, "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!"
<oscar@bellsouth.net.pa> wrote:


"Daniel Kolle" <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:cucqp0pfhog4s5jae4cq53npfrekt9lnev@4ax.com...


I opened my wallet today to pay for some gas and I noticed that all

snip


What is the law on shooting trespassers?


Homicide is justified in cases of self-defense.


I know I am talking about England but the US shares the same common law heritage
and a recent case here highlights that homicide is *not* necessarily legally
justified in cases of a burglar on your premises.

A farmer was convicted of murdering an unarmed burglar who was on his premises.
Because the jury did not believe that the farmer was in any danger of his life
from the burglar, and also the fact that the burglar was shot in the back (with
a shotgun) didn't help, also the reclusive lifestyle of the farmer earned him
the reputation of being a cantankerous old ***** who used to chase off
visitors.

You can use reasonable equivalent force.
A defence is "I was in fear for mt life" - which the farmer obviously
wasn't.

Not surprisingly, this case has brought snorts of righteous indignation from
sections of the press who consider themselves defenders of the middle class
lifestyle. So far the farmer concerned has yet to convince the judiciary of the
rightness of his cause but I have no doubt he will eventually be released and
his charge lessened to manslaughter or he will be let off as committing
justifiable homicide.

JPG

.



User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Needing Legal Advice (Urgent!) 18 Nov 2004 06:43:24 PM
"Daniel Kolle" <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:cucqp0pfhog4s5jae4cq53npfrekt9lnev@4ax.com...


I opened my wallet today to pay for some gas and I noticed that all
the money in my wallet was gone. Luckily, I had not yet paid for gas.
My money was stolen. I had left it in my truck overnight with the
doors unlocked. I figure (or at least I did) that since I live out in
the country, would could possibly happen?
"Well, at least it was only eight dollars," I though. WRONG!
In my glove compartment I stored ten dollars in the event of an
emergency. That was stolen, too.
Earlier in the week I thought I had misplaced a twenty dollar
bill. Do you not sometimes accidentally leave your money in a pocket
or something and find it in the wash later? I do, anyway. I have a
feeling that it was stolen, too. I think so because I have yet to find
the bill anywhere--and believe me, I have looked.
I told my neighbor next door about this. I take him to and
from school. Then he told me something very interesting: he saw a red
car and about three people parked right outside my house around two
last night (or this morning, take your pick). He tired to get a tag
number but he was seen and the ***** thieves scurried away like the
fucking cowards they are. He gave me a vague description. It did
little to help me. Until today, that is.
The piece of ***** decided to come back today. My neighbor was
absent from school today and was, rather, watching my house for me (I
did not know this at the time. So yes, he did break and enter). Around
noon today our little thief decided to show up again in his little red
Cavalier. My neighbor walked outside, told him that if he came back
his brains were going to be splattered all over the driveway, and
began to throw gravel at his car. The thief then drove away in haste,
leaving a damn burnout mark on the lawn. This time, my neighbor got a
description. The thief was one of my neighbor's friends.
"It makes perfect sense now," I though to myself. My neighbor
and this thief were ***** at each other. Now why this fucking
thief has to start to ***** with me and not the person who he should
***** with is beyond me. Or, at least, it was. I talked to my neighbor
(whom I will call Bob) about his thieving friend (whom I will call
Tim). He told me yet another interesting story. Apparently, Bob kicked
the ***** out of Tim in a fight earlier in the month and both have been
pissed at each other since. What was the fight over about? Tim's
half-sister, who is Bob's girlfriend. Knowing that another fight with
Bob will be suicide (literally), Tim has decided to ***** with me
thinking that either I will not notice or not doing anything about it.
He is sadly mistaken.
*Whew* What are my legal options? I have no photographs (yet,
anyway); just second-hand testimony. It goes without saying that I do
not have much of a case.

What is the law on shooting trespassers?

Um, Daniel, do you honestly think this incident is worth shooting someone
over?
--
---------
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
.
User: "Daniel Kolle"

Title: Re: Needing Legal Advice (Urgent!) 18 Nov 2004 06:53:57 PM
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:43:24 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> thought hard and said:


"Daniel Kolle" <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:cucqp0pfhog4s5jae4cq53npfrekt9lnev@4ax.com...


I opened my wallet today to pay for some gas and I noticed that all
the money in my wallet was gone. Luckily, I had not yet paid for gas.
My money was stolen. I had left it in my truck overnight with the
doors unlocked. I figure (or at least I did) that since I live out in
the country, would could possibly happen?
"Well, at least it was only eight dollars," I though. WRONG!
In my glove compartment I stored ten dollars in the event of an
emergency. That was stolen, too.
Earlier in the week I thought I had misplaced a twenty dollar
bill. Do you not sometimes accidentally leave your money in a pocket
or something and find it in the wash later? I do, anyway. I have a
feeling that it was stolen, too. I think so because I have yet to find
the bill anywhere--and believe me, I have looked.
I told my neighbor next door about this. I take him to and
from school. Then he told me something very interesting: he saw a red
car and about three people parked right outside my house around two
last night (or this morning, take your pick). He tired to get a tag
number but he was seen and the ***** thieves scurried away like the
fucking cowards they are. He gave me a vague description. It did
little to help me. Until today, that is.
The piece of ***** decided to come back today. My neighbor was
absent from school today and was, rather, watching my house for me (I
did not know this at the time. So yes, he did break and enter). Around
noon today our little thief decided to show up again in his little red
Cavalier. My neighbor walked outside, told him that if he came back
his brains were going to be splattered all over the driveway, and
began to throw gravel at his car. The thief then drove away in haste,
leaving a damn burnout mark on the lawn. This time, my neighbor got a
description. The thief was one of my neighbor's friends.
"It makes perfect sense now," I though to myself. My neighbor
and this thief were ***** at each other. Now why this fucking
thief has to start to ***** with me and not the person who he should
***** with is beyond me. Or, at least, it was. I talked to my neighbor
(whom I will call Bob) about his thieving friend (whom I will call
Tim). He told me yet another interesting story. Apparently, Bob kicked
the ***** out of Tim in a fight earlier in the month and both have been
pissed at each other since. What was the fight over about? Tim's
half-sister, who is Bob's girlfriend. Knowing that another fight with
Bob will be suicide (literally), Tim has decided to ***** with me
thinking that either I will not notice or not doing anything about it.
He is sadly mistaken.
*Whew* What are my legal options? I have no photographs (yet,
anyway); just second-hand testimony. It goes without saying that I do
not have much of a case.

What is the law on shooting trespassers?


Um, Daniel, do you honestly think this incident is worth shooting someone
over?

No, but godammn it, I am pissed. :-P. You would be, too.
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
.
User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Needing Legal Advice (Urgent!) 18 Nov 2004 06:58:43 PM
"Daniel Kolle" <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:20hqp0ptdb3987gs8ivk6rrld2ak28ivi5@4ax.com...

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:43:24 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> thought hard and said:


"Daniel Kolle" <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:cucqp0pfhog4s5jae4cq53npfrekt9lnev@4ax.com...


I opened my wallet today to pay for some gas and I noticed that all
the money in my wallet was gone. Luckily, I had not yet paid for gas.
My money was stolen. I had left it in my truck overnight with the
doors unlocked. I figure (or at least I did) that since I live out in
the country, would could possibly happen?
"Well, at least it was only eight dollars," I though. WRONG!
In my glove compartment I stored ten dollars in the event of an
emergency. That was stolen, too.
Earlier in the week I thought I had misplaced a twenty dollar
bill. Do you not sometimes accidentally leave your money in a pocket
or something and find it in the wash later? I do, anyway. I have a
feeling that it was stolen, too. I think so because I have yet to find
the bill anywhere--and believe me, I have looked.
I told my neighbor next door about this. I take him to and
from school. Then he told me something very interesting: he saw a red
car and about three people parked right outside my house around two
last night (or this morning, take your pick). He tired to get a tag
number but he was seen and the ***** thieves scurried away like the
fucking cowards they are. He gave me a vague description. It did
little to help me. Until today, that is.
The piece of ***** decided to come back today. My neighbor was
absent from school today and was, rather, watching my house for me (I
did not know this at the time. So yes, he did break and enter). Around
noon today our little thief decided to show up again in his little red
Cavalier. My neighbor walked outside, told him that if he came back
his brains were going to be splattered all over the driveway, and
began to throw gravel at his car. The thief then drove away in haste,
leaving a damn burnout mark on the lawn. This time, my neighbor got a
description. The thief was one of my neighbor's friends.
"It makes perfect sense now," I though to myself. My neighbor
and this thief were ***** at each other. Now why this fucking
thief has to start to ***** with me and not the person who he should
***** with is beyond me. Or, at least, it was. I talked to my neighbor
(whom I will call Bob) about his thieving friend (whom I will call
Tim). He told me yet another interesting story. Apparently, Bob kicked
the ***** out of Tim in a fight earlier in the month and both have been
pissed at each other since. What was the fight over about? Tim's
half-sister, who is Bob's girlfriend. Knowing that another fight with
Bob will be suicide (literally), Tim has decided to ***** with me
thinking that either I will not notice or not doing anything about it.
He is sadly mistaken.
*Whew* What are my legal options? I have no photographs (yet,
anyway); just second-hand testimony. It goes without saying that I do
not have much of a case.

What is the law on shooting trespassers?


Um, Daniel, do you honestly think this incident is worth shooting someone
over?


No, but godammn it, I am pissed. :-P. You would be, too.

Well, sure I'd be pissed, but I wouldn't want to shoot someone over a couple
of bucks.
--
---------
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
.
User: "Encyclopedia Claytonica"

Title: Re: Needing Legal Advice (Urgent!) 19 Nov 2004 12:52:07 AM
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:304uq3F2rtel8U1@uni-berlin.de...


"Daniel Kolle" <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:20hqp0ptdb3987gs8ivk6rrld2ak28ivi5@4ax.com...

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:43:24 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> thought hard and said:


"Daniel Kolle" <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:cucqp0pfhog4s5jae4cq53npfrekt9lnev@4ax.com...


I opened my wallet today to pay for some gas and I noticed that all
the money in my wallet was gone. Luckily, I had not yet paid for gas.
My money was stolen. I had left it in my truck overnight with the
doors unlocked. I figure (or at least I did) that since I live out in
the country, would could possibly happen?
"Well, at least it was only eight dollars," I though. WRONG!
In my glove compartment I stored ten dollars in the event of an
emergency. That was stolen, too.
Earlier in the week I thought I had misplaced a twenty dollar
bill. Do you not sometimes accidentally leave your money in a pocket
or something and find it in the wash later? I do, anyway. I have a
feeling that it was stolen, too. I think so because I have yet to find
the bill anywhere--and believe me, I have looked.
I told my neighbor next door about this. I take him to and
from school. Then he told me something very interesting: he saw a red
car and about three people parked right outside my house around two
last night (or this morning, take your pick). He tired to get a tag
number but he was seen and the ***** thieves scurried away like the
fucking cowards they are. He gave me a vague description. It did
little to help me. Until today, that is.
The piece of ***** decided to come back today. My neighbor was
absent from school today and was, rather, watching my house for me (I
did not know this at the time. So yes, he did break and enter). Around
noon today our little thief decided to show up again in his little red
Cavalier. My neighbor walked outside, told him that if he came back
his brains were going to be splattered all over the driveway, and
began to throw gravel at his car. The thief then drove away in haste,
leaving a damn burnout mark on the lawn. This time, my neighbor got a
description. The thief was one of my neighbor's friends.
"It makes perfect sense now," I though to myself. My neighbor
and this thief were ***** at each other. Now why this fucking
thief has to start to ***** with me and not the person who he should
***** with is beyond me. Or, at least, it was. I talked to my neighbor
(whom I will call Bob) about his thieving friend (whom I will call
Tim). He told me yet another interesting story. Apparently, Bob kicked
the ***** out of Tim in a fight earlier in the month and both have been
pissed at each other since. What was the fight over about? Tim's
half-sister, who is Bob's girlfriend. Knowing that another fight with
Bob will be suicide (literally), Tim has decided to ***** with me
thinking that either I will not notice or not doing anything about it.
He is sadly mistaken.
*Whew* What are my legal options? I have no photographs (yet,
anyway); just second-hand testimony. It goes without saying that I do
not have much of a case.

What is the law on shooting trespassers?


Um, Daniel, do you honestly think this incident is worth shooting

someone

over?


No, but godammn it, I am pissed. :-P. You would be, too.


Well, sure I'd be pissed, but I wouldn't want to shoot someone over a

couple

of bucks.

How about knee capping them with a golf club? In my old set of flats one
guy found out another guy was sleeping with his girlfriend...so he went
after him with a spear gun!
.
User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Needing Legal Advice (Urgent!) 19 Nov 2004 05:37:30 AM
"Encyclopedia Claytonica" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonyemail.com> wrote in message
news:419d972e$0$24377$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...


"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:304uq3F2rtel8U1@uni-berlin.de...


"Daniel Kolle" <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:20hqp0ptdb3987gs8ivk6rrld2ak28ivi5@4ax.com...

snip

What is the law on shooting trespassers?


Um, Daniel, do you honestly think this incident is worth shooting

someone

over?


No, but godammn it, I am pissed. :-P. You would be, too.


Well, sure I'd be pissed, but I wouldn't want to shoot someone over a

couple

of bucks.


How about knee capping them with a golf club? In my old set of flats one
guy found out another guy was sleeping with his girlfriend...so he went
after him with a spear gun!

Oh my. The worst I've ever done is bunch someone in the jaw and knock them
out! :)
--
---------
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
.
User: "Apostate"

Title: Re: Needing Legal Advice (Urgent!) 19 Nov 2004 03:55:40 PM
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 06:37:30 -0500, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:


"Encyclopedia Claytonica" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonyemail.com> wrote in message
news:419d972e$0$24377$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

How about knee capping them with a golf club? In my old set of flats one
guy found out another guy was sleeping with his girlfriend...so he went
after him with a spear gun!


Oh my. The worst I've ever done is bunch someone in the jaw and knock them
out! :)

<boggle>
That was in reply to "No, reach for the salt yourself"?
--
/Apostate
atheist #1931 I've found it!
BAAWA Knife AND SMASHer
EAC Supernumerary Deputy Director, Department of Redundancy Department
plonked by Lani_girl, first post; Billions Served!
I doubt, therefore I might be.
For e-mail, hold that tiger!
.
User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Needing Legal Advice (Urgent!) 19 Nov 2004 04:41:18 PM
"Apostate" <Apostate.invalid@yeehaw.org> wrote in message
news:7rqsp05hc5gehgqg3jqdkq53bg4odm9544@4ax.com...

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 06:37:30 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:


"Encyclopedia Claytonica" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonyemail.com> wrote in message
news:419d972e$0$24377$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...


How about knee capping them with a golf club? In my old set of flats
one
guy found out another guy was sleeping with his girlfriend...so he went
after him with a spear gun!


Oh my. The worst I've ever done is bunch someone in the jaw and knock
them
out! :)


<boggle>

That was in reply to "No, reach for the salt yourself"?

No, that was in response to looking down and noticing the hands of a frat
boy standing behind me groping my boobs. It was at a huge toga party and he
wasn't the first guy there to get "overly familiar". I just snapped, spin
around and planted a right cross on his jaw. He went down like a ton of
bricks. Needless to say, I got myself out of there A.S.A.P. My hand was
swollen for days ;)
--
---------
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
.



User: "Daniel Kolle"

Title: Re: Needing Legal Advice (Urgent!) 19 Nov 2004 07:13:09 PM
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:52:07 +1000, "Encyclopedia Claytonica"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonyemail.com> thought hard and said:

How about knee capping them with a golf club?

Nah. I have decided on using a paintball gun instead. The paintballs
are in the freezer as I speak...
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
.


User: ""

Title: Re: Needing Legal Advice (Urgent!) 19 Nov 2004 06:03:03 PM
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:58:43 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:


"Daniel Kolle" <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:20hqp0ptdb3987gs8ivk6rrld2ak28ivi5@4ax.com...

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:43:24 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> thought hard and said:


"Daniel Kolle" <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:cucqp0pfhog4s5jae4cq53npfrekt9lnev@4ax.com...


I opened my wallet today to pay for some gas and I noticed that all
the money in my wallet was gone. Luckily, I had not yet paid for gas.
My money was stolen. I had left it in my truck overnight with the
doors unlocked. I figure (or at least I did) that since I live out in
the country, would could possibly happen?
"Well, at least it was only eight dollars," I though. WRONG!
In my glove compartment I stored ten dollars in the event of an
emergency. That was stolen, too.
Earlier in the week I thought I had misplaced a twenty dollar
bill. Do you not sometimes accidentally leave your money in a pocket
or something and find it in the wash later? I do, anyway. I have a
feeling that it was stolen, too. I think so because I have yet to find
the bill anywhere--and believe me, I have looked.
I told my neighbor next door about this. I take him to and
from school. Then he told me something very interesting: he saw a red
car and about three people parked right outside my house around two
last night (or this morning, take your pick). He tired to get a tag
number but he was seen and the ***** thieves scurried away like the
fucking cowards they are. He gave me a vague description. It did
little to help me. Until today, that is.
The piece of ***** decided to come back today. My neighbor was
absent from school today and was, rather, watching my house for me (I
did not know this at the time. So yes, he did break and enter). Around
noon today our little thief decided to show up again in his little red
Cavalier. My neighbor walked outside, told him that if he came back
his brains were going to be splattered all over the driveway, and
began to throw gravel at his car. The thief then drove away in haste,
leaving a damn burnout mark on the lawn. This time, my neighbor got a
description. The thief was one of my neighbor's friends.
"It makes perfect sense now," I though to myself. My neighbor
and this thief were ***** at each other. Now why this fucking
thief has to start to ***** with me and not the person who he should
***** with is beyond me. Or, at least, it was. I talked to my neighbor
(whom I will call Bob) about his thieving friend (whom I will call
Tim). He told me yet another interesting story. Apparently, Bob kicked
the ***** out of Tim in a fight earlier in the month and both have been
pissed at each other since. What was the fight over about? Tim's
half-sister, who is Bob's girlfriend. Knowing that another fight with
Bob will be suicide (literally), Tim has decided to ***** with me
thinking that either I will not notice or not doing anything about it.
He is sadly mistaken.
*Whew* What are my legal options? I have no photographs (yet,
anyway); just second-hand testimony. It goes without saying that I do
not have much of a case.

What is the law on shooting trespassers?


Um, Daniel, do you honestly think this incident is worth shooting someone
over?


No, but godammn it, I am pissed. :-P. You would be, too.


Well, sure I'd be pissed, but I wouldn't want to shoot someone over a couple
of bucks.

I'm no lawyer, but after evicting a tenant and interfacing with the
cops about sabotage, and a lawyer about eviction rules and tenant
rights, I can tell you that a handfull of 20's isn't anything to get
violent over.
Keep your stuff locked.
Get an alarm.
Rig up cameras.
Do everything legally, and if that doesn't work, *then* consider
risking your freedom by taking your own action. Think, think, think.
If you go after someone the cops are going to want accurate
descriptions, witnesses, proof that it was your stuff stolen, etc.
Put yourself in their place, picture trying to get a judge to convict
someone based on what you say you've seen, or what someone told you.
It's worthless.
Picture the accused sitting in jail, with nothing to think about but
you.
Picture the accused being released and being even more pissed at you.
If you take legal action, be sure that what you're fighting for is
worth having a $200 per hour lawyer.
My tenant trashed my apartment, graffiti with felt markers on all
walls, woodwork scrubbed with soap, ketchup squirted all over the
place. All bulbs missing, toilet plugged up and full (what a stink),
bathroom sink missing, shower head off and the pipe turned up toward
the ceiling, some outlets removed.
Only a few items were considered criminal, (the bathroom), and the
cops took lots of pix, but told me there's only a *chance* they could
get a judge to sign a warrant. Luckily I had an extra copy of the
"stipulated agreement" (last step before actual physical removal of
the tenant and possesions) with the tenant's name (and mine) or I
couldn't even prove who it was. And, if they *do* anything - I bet
they'll need a copy of the lease, which says he's responsible for the
condition of the apartment and damage done by him or his guests.
The insurance agent took lots of pix, too, and explained that lots of
the graffiti isn't really considered "damage".
I sold the house and had to rebate $17,500 to the buyer in lieu of
repairs, and paid 1-800-GOT-JUNK $1,076 to haul away two truckloads of
trash. (we were in contract during the eviction, and he had already
had the place inspected and was anxious to move in, I had already
moved out.)
I'll get less than $10,000 from the insurance, if anything.
You just have to protect yourself, and consider the few dollars you
lost an education fee.
And try not to associate with nutballs.
And, never become a landlord.
drift
.


User: "Brian E. Clark"

Title: Re: Needing Legal Advice (Urgent!) 18 Nov 2004 07:51:15 PM
Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:

Um, Daniel, do you honestly think this incident is
worth shooting someone over?


No, but godammn it, I am pissed. :-P. You would be, too.

I once caught a young man in the act of trying to break into my Honda.
The car was a hatchback with two of those "wing" windows in the back
seat area, hinged at the front and opening just a little toward the
rear. The would-be thief was trying to wriggle his arm along the opening
and toward the front door lock. When I walked out of a nearby pizza
parlour and saw him in action, I could scarcely believe what I was
seeing.
This was a careless crook indeed. The silly fellow worked in full view
of passersby on the street, and he took no notice of the people around
him. I sneaked up behind him easily, flipped the little lever that held
the window open, and simultaneously pushed the window inward, trapping
the man's arm up to his shoulder. I held him there, whining loudly,
until the police arrived. (His pleas were of the "Let me go!" variety; I
certainly wasn't applying enough pressure to cause him any physical
discomfort, let alone pain.) Meanwhile the onlookers had gathered into
a jeering crowd, and the man had to suffer the indignity of their
laughter as well as the certainty of arrest. The police, when they
arrived, began to chuckle as well -- at the world's most inept burglar.
--
-----------
Brian E. Clark
.


User: "Eris"

Title: Re: Needing Legal Advice (Urgent!) 18 Nov 2004 07:48:40 PM
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:43:24 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:


"Daniel Kolle" <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:cucqp0pfhog4s5jae4cq53npfrekt9lnev@4ax.com...


I opened my wallet today to pay for some gas and I noticed that all
the money in my wallet was gone. Luckily, I had not yet paid for gas.
My money was stolen. I had left it in my truck overnight with the
doors unlocked. I figure (or at least I did) that since I live out in
the country, would could possibly happen?
"Well, at least it was only eight dollars," I though. WRONG!
In my glove compartment I stored ten dollars in the event of an
emergency. That was stolen, too.
Earlier in the week I thought I had misplaced a twenty dollar
bill. Do you not sometimes accidentally leave your money in a pocket
or something and find it in the wash later? I do, anyway. I have a
feeling that it was stolen, too. I think so because I have yet to find
the bill anywhere--and believe me, I have looked.
I told my neighbor next door about this. I take him to and
from school. Then he told me something very interesting: he saw a red
car and about three people parked right outside my house around two
last night (or this morning, take your pick). He tired to get a tag
number but he was seen and the ***** thieves scurried away like the
fucking cowards they are. He gave me a vague description. It did
little to help me. Until today, that is.
The piece of ***** decided to come back today. My neighbor was
absent from school today and was, rather, watching my house for me (I
did not know this at the time. So yes, he did break and enter). Around
noon today our little thief decided to show up again in his little red
Cavalier. My neighbor walked outside, told him that if he came back
his brains were going to be splattered all over the driveway, and
began to throw gravel at his car. The thief then drove away in haste,
leaving a damn burnout mark on the lawn. This time, my neighbor got a
description. The thief was one of my neighbor's friends.
"It makes perfect sense now," I though to myself. My neighbor
and this thief were ***** at each other. Now why this fucking
thief has to start to ***** with me and not the person who he should
***** with is beyond me. Or, at least, it was. I talked to my neighbor
(whom I will call Bob) about his thieving friend (whom I will call
Tim). He told me yet another interesting story. Apparently, Bob kicked
the ***** out of Tim in a fight earlier in the month and both have been
pissed at each other since. What was the fight over about? Tim's
half-sister, who is Bob's girlfriend. Knowing that another fight with
Bob will be suicide (literally), Tim has decided to ***** with me
thinking that either I will not notice or not doing anything about it.
He is sadly mistaken.
*Whew* What are my legal options? I have no photographs (yet,
anyway); just second-hand testimony. It goes without saying that I do
not have much of a case.

What is the law on shooting trespassers?


Um, Daniel, do you honestly think this incident is worth shooting someone
over?

There was a special on HBO about five people that killed for better
reasons than you, they would all do anything to undo killing the other
person.
.


User: "Brian E. Clark"

Title: Re: OT: Needing Legal Advice (Urgent!) 18 Nov 2004 07:14:28 PM
Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:

*Whew* What are my legal options? I have no photographs
(yet, anyway); just second-hand testimony.

Talk to the local police or the sheriff. If the thief has a history of
such behavior, local law enforcement can sometimes use the threat of
another arrest to cajole the thief into returning the money -- in
exchange for letting the matter disappear, of course.

It goes without saying that I do not have much of a case.

That depends on how closemouthed the thief's friends remain. :)

What is the law on shooting trespassers?

Don't be silly. You're not going to shoot a man for stealing $30.
--
-----------
Brian E. Clark
.
User: "Eris"

Title: Re: OT: Needing Legal Advice (Urgent!) 18 Nov 2004 07:46:49 PM
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 01:14:28 GMT, Brian E. Clark
<reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote:

Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:

*Whew* What are my legal options? I have no photographs
(yet, anyway); just second-hand testimony.


Talk to the local police or the sheriff. If the thief has a history of
such behavior, local law enforcement can sometimes use the threat of
another arrest to cajole the thief into returning the money -- in
exchange for letting the matter disappear, of course.

It goes without saying that I do not have much of a case.


That depends on how closemouthed the thief's friends remain. :)

What is the law on shooting trespassers?


Don't be silly. You're not going to shoot a man for stealing $30.

You would have to drag the trespasser into your house and shoot him.
He has every right to be on your lawn, in Michigan.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: OT: Needing Legal Advice (Urgent!) 19 Nov 2004 06:33:05 PM
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:46:49 -0500, Eris <vithant01@yaya.comcast.net>
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 01:14:28 GMT, Brian E. Clark
<reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote:

Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:

*Whew* What are my legal options? I have no photographs
(yet, anyway); just second-hand testimony.


Talk to the local police or the sheriff. If the thief has a history of
such behavior, local law enforcement can sometimes use the threat of
another arrest to cajole the thief into returning the money -- in
exchange for letting the matter disappear, of course.

It goes without saying that I do not have much of a case.


That depends on how closemouthed the thief's friends remain. :)

What is the law on shooting trespassers?


Don't be silly. You're not going to shoot a man for stealing $30.

You would have to drag the trespasser into your house and shoot him.
He has every right to be on your lawn, in Michigan.

In CT you can't shoot if the intruder has a way out. Unless he comes
after you with deadly physical force you can't shoot. I'm told a
shotgun is best, as while you freeze in shock for a few hours before
calling 911, the ***** will bleed to death. But you will probably be
in big trouble unless you can prove you had to do it to stay alive.
drift
.
User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!"

Title: Re: OT: Needing Legal Advice (Urgent!) 19 Nov 2004 08:40:28 PM
<drift@lost.net> wrote in message
news:dt3tp0pda7rd35bn3q4mf803b092m8gpbr@4ax.com...

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:46:49 -0500, Eris <vithant01@yaya.comcast.net>
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 01:14:28 GMT, Brian E. Clark
<reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote:

Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:

*Whew* What are my legal options? I have no photographs
(yet, anyway); just second-hand testimony.


Talk to the local police or the sheriff. If the thief has a history of
such behavior, local law enforcement can sometimes use the threat of
another arrest to cajole the thief into returning the money -- in
exchange for letting the matter disappear, of course.

It goes without saying that I do not have much of a case.


That depends on how closemouthed the thief's friends remain. :)

What is the law on shooting trespassers?


Don't be silly. You're not going to shoot a man for stealing $30.

You would have to drag the trespasser into your house and shoot him.
He has every right to be on your lawn, in Michigan.


In CT you can't shoot if the intruder has a way out. Unless he comes
after you with deadly physical force you can't shoot. I'm told a
shotgun is best, as while you freeze in shock for a few hours before
calling 911, the ***** will bleed to death. But you will probably be
in big trouble unless you can prove you had to do it to stay alive.

Which is easier to do if you are the only witness.
Somewhat related story: A friend was telling me that
on his last job they caught an illegal Mexican breaking
into one of their cars in the parking lot.
The thief did hundreds of dollars of damage.
They held him for the cops. When the cop arrived
they asked him what
would happen. The thief was indigent so there would
be no reparation. The cop said that they'd probably
just return him to Mexico. Then they asked if they
could beat him up. The cop said that they were supposed
to do that before he arrived.
--
rb #2187
.




User: "wbarwell"

Title: Re: OT: Needing Legal Advice (Urgent!) 18 Nov 2004 10:51:51 PM
Daniel Kolle wrote:


I opened my wallet today to pay for some gas and I noticed that all
the money in my wallet was gone. Luckily, I had not yet paid for gas.
My money was stolen. I had left it in my truck overnight with the
doors unlocked. I figure (or at least I did) that since I live out in
the country, would could possibly happen?
"Well, at least it was only eight dollars," I though. WRONG!
In my glove compartment I stored ten dollars in the event of an
emergency. That was stolen, too.
Earlier in the week I thought I had misplaced a twenty dollar
bill. Do you not sometimes accidentally leave your money in a pocket
or something and find it in the wash later? I do, anyway. I have a
feeling that it was stolen, too. I think so because I have yet to find
the bill anywhere--and believe me, I have looked.
I told my neighbor next door about this. I take him to and
from school. Then he told me something very interesting: he saw a red
car and about three people parked right outside my house around two
last night (or this morning, take your pick). He tired to get a tag
number but he was seen and the ***** thieves scurried away like the
fucking cowards they are. He gave me a vague description. It did
little to help me. Until today, that is.
The piece of ***** decided to come back today. My neighbor was
absent from school today and was, rather, watching my house for me (I
did not know this at the time. So yes, he did break and enter). Around
noon today our little thief decided to show up again in his little red
Cavalier. My neighbor walked outside, told him that if he came back
his brains were going to be splattered all over the driveway, and
began to throw gravel at his car. The thief then drove away in haste,
leaving a damn burnout mark on the lawn. This time, my neighbor got a
description. The thief was one of my neighbor's friends.
"It makes perfect sense now," I though to myself. My neighbor
and this thief were ***** at each other. Now why this fucking
thief has to start to ***** with me and not the person who he should
***** with is beyond me. Or, at least, it was. I talked to my neighbor
(whom I will call Bob) about his thieving friend (whom I will call
Tim). He told me yet another interesting story. Apparently, Bob kicked
the ***** out of Tim in a fight earlier in the month and both have been
pissed at each other since. What was the fight over about? Tim's
half-sister, who is Bob's girlfriend. Knowing that another fight with
Bob will be suicide (literally), Tim has decided to ***** with me
thinking that either I will not notice or not doing anything about it.
He is sadly mistaken.
*Whew* What are my legal options? I have no photographs (yet,
anyway); just second-hand testimony. It goes without saying that I do
not have much of a case.

What is the law on shooting trespassers?

Report it to the cops. Then you can go to the local District Attorney and
ask for a restraining order telling thief-boy to stay out of your end of
the neighborhood, away from you, your house and your vehicle.
They can slap one on him and if he comes back, he can go straight to jail
and explain his sorry ***** to the judge.
When you report this to the cops, ask their advice in this regard, local
laws always vary as to exact details. In some locales, a justice of a peace
can issue a restraining order, in some places, the cops can do it.
You can sometimes file a complaint and that is enough to get the
cops to visit him and tell him to stay X distance away from your home
on penalty of an immediate issue of an arrest warrant if he does not heed
this order.
In some places, a repeat attempt like this can get a patrol to whiz
through your street when cops make thei rounds.
Here in Houston a neighborhood with trouble can ask for extra patrols.
Ask them what sort of programs they mighht have towards that end
when you call.
You have a witness, your neighbor and that is good enough to start with.
--
Kerry - two medals a silver and bronze star.
Bush? Well they don't give medals
for going AWOL, missing your medical and
getting grounded or falling off of a bar stool.
Kerry - a hero, Bush - a zero
Cheerful Charlie
.

User: "Nivlem"

Title: Re: OT: Needing Legal Advice (Urgent!) 18 Nov 2004 10:54:14 PM
Daniel Kolle wrote:


What is the law on shooting trespassers?


None of the stuff I snipped really makes sense. It's like something off
a bad episode of Jerry Springer. I'd advise you not to shoot for merely
trespassing. This is probably even illegal in Texas. Besides, it's out
of all proportion to the level of offensiveness of the conduct. Since
your neighbor's sister is dating the guy, I think it would be easy
enough to figure out where he lives. I leave the rest to your
imagination. Don't get caught! As an aid to that, be sure and never tell
anyone about whatever the exploit turns out to be. Never post here or
anywhere on this topic again.
.

User: "John P. Boatwright"

Title: Re: OT: Needing Legal Advice (Urgent!) 20 Nov 2004 03:35:18 AM
Daniel Kolle wrote:

What is the law on shooting trespassers?

That would be kinda messy and the law will say you blew his head off
over $10... that won't sound real good at your trial.
You admitting you're going to shoot him on usenet, that won't
go over well either.
Have you thought about praying to God?
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.

Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)

Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
.

User: "Douglas Berry"

Title: Re: OT: Needing Legal Advice (Urgent!) 19 Nov 2004 12:33:57 PM
In our last thrilling episode, Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com> was
pushed over the cliffs of alt.atheism on Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:17:52
-0600 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:

What is the law on shooting trespassers?

In most states you have to respond to a threat with equivilant force,
or believe that you or another person are in imminent danger of losing
your life.
Try this. Call the cops, and report the robberies, and your
suspicions. Then start locking things up and hiding your money
better. When I had my old car, there was a slit in the driver's seat
where I hid $50 in emergency money.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
.

User: "Sean C"

Title: Re: OT: Needing Legal Advice (Urgent!) 19 Nov 2004 01:50:49 AM
Off hand I don't see how Tim could have known that you kept money in
the glove box, or that you left your wallet in the truck. I have a
vague suspicion that Bob is the guy who took your money, and he is
trying to blame it on Tim, and trying to gain your trust by "looking
out" for you.
In either case, you don't have evidence, and thus no basis to act. And
don't even think about shooting/fighting someone over $30.00. It ain't
worth it. Your best bet is to call the cops, as that tends to make
amateur thieves nervous as hell, especially when they start asking
tough questions which they have learned through experience will trip up
the unwary. If you feel that either of these guys start fucking with
you in some way, don't hesitate to file an harassment complaint against
them. That keeps most people short of the real sociopaths in line.
Sean C
.
User: "Mekkala"

Title: Re: OT: Needing Legal Advice (Urgent!) 19 Nov 2004 10:00:16 AM
On Fri 19 Nov 2004 01:50:49a, Sean C
<redhawk@/burnspammersalive/hvc.rr.com> kicked back with a beer, ruminated
at length, fell asleep, woke up, lit up a joint, then fell asleep again
after thoughtfully blurting out:



Off hand I don't see how Tim could have known that you kept money in
the glove box, or that you left your wallet in the truck. I have a
vague suspicion that Bob is the guy who took your money, and he is
trying to blame it on Tim, and trying to gain your trust by "looking
out" for you.

I agree. Bob *could* be telling the truth, but his story is pretty damn
hard to believe for a number of reasons.
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"Atheism is ... the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
--Emmett F. Fields
.


User: "Kate "

Title: Re: OT: Needing Legal Advice (Urgent!) 19 Nov 2004 07:38:21 PM
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:17:52 -0600, Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com>
wrote:


I opened my wallet today to pay for some gas and I noticed that all
the money in my wallet was gone. Luckily, I had not yet paid for gas.
My money was stolen. I had left it in my truck overnight with the
doors unlocked. I figure (or at least I did) that since I live out in
the country, would could possibly happen?
"Well, at least it was only eight dollars," I though. WRONG!
In my glove compartment I stored ten dollars in the event of an
emergency. That was stolen, too.
Earlier in the week I thought I had misplaced a twenty dollar
bill. Do you not sometimes accidentally leave your money in a pocket
or something and find it in the wash later? I do, anyway. I have a
feeling that it was stolen, too. I think so because I have yet to find
the bill anywhere--and believe me, I have looked.
I told my neighbor next door about this. I take him to and
from school. Then he told me something very interesting: he saw a red
car and about three people parked right outside my house around two
last night (or this morning, take your pick). He tired to get a tag
number but he was seen and the ***** thieves scurried away like the
fucking cowards they are. He gave me a vague description. It did
little to help me. Until today, that is.
The piece of ***** decided to come back today. My neighbor was
absent from school today and was, rather, watching my house for me (I
did not know this at the time. So yes, he did break and enter). Around
noon today our little thief decided to show up again in his little red
Cavalier. My neighbor walked outside, told him that if he came back
his brains were going to be splattered all over the driveway, and
began to throw gravel at his car. The thief then drove away in haste,
leaving a damn burnout mark on the lawn. This time, my neighbor got a
description. The thief was one of my neighbor's friends.
"It makes perfect sense now," I though to myself. My neighbor
and this thief were ***** at each other. Now why this fucking
thief has to start to ***** with me and not the person who he should
***** with is beyond me. Or, at least, it was. I talked to my neighbor
(whom I will call Bob) about his thieving friend (whom I will call
Tim). He told me yet another interesting story. Apparently, Bob kicked
the ***** out of Tim in a fight earlier in the month and both have been
pissed at each other since. What was the fight over about? Tim's
half-sister, who is Bob's girlfriend. Knowing that another fight with
Bob will be suicide (literally), Tim has decided to ***** with me
thinking that either I will not notice or not doing anything about it.
He is sadly mistaken.
*Whew* What are my legal options? I have no photographs (yet,
anyway); just second-hand testimony. It goes without saying that I do
not have much of a case.

What is the law on shooting trespassers?

You are pretty naive Daniel. Your friend is ripping you off and
probably never beat up 'Tim'. His story is full of holes. Read your
post over again and pretend this was someone else's friend.
Usually the thief is someone you know. I learned a long time ago, the
best way not to get ripped off is to not let shady people into my
home.
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