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Religions > Atheism |
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"John Baker" |
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14 Jan 2005 06:46:38 PM |
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OT: New Gear |
Well, after 35 years as a die-hard tube snob, I finally broke down and
bought a Line 6 Flextone III XL. This thing is freaking amazing, but
to get to the point - are there any of my fellow pickers who've had
some experience with this model who can give me some pointers for
dialing it in? It has great potential, but it's one of those pieces of
gear that requires a *lot* of tweaking. Don't we all love that? <G>
Thanks.
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| User: "Gary Bohn" |
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| Title: Re: OT: New Gear |
14 Jan 2005 06:57:48 PM |
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John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:4o4gu0lcalm1uh0ltdu6vk984pa2896erd@4ax.com:
Well, after 35 years as a die-hard tube snob, I finally broke down and
bought a Line 6 Flextone III XL. This thing is freaking amazing, but
to get to the point - are there any of my fellow pickers who've had
some experience with this model who can give me some pointers for
dialing it in? It has great potential, but it's one of those pieces of
gear that requires a *lot* of tweaking. Don't we all love that? <G>
Thanks.
Sorry dude, I use a Stereo Chorus with a GR-33 and GT-6 for my sounds.
Takes forever to dial in what you want, but once done is terrific.
I was thinking of adding one of the Line-6 modelling guitars to my
collection though, so I'd be interested in what you feel the sound
quality of the Flextone is.
--
apatriot #23, aa #2179, Grand Poobah, EAC Department of Oxygen
Deprivation
Responsible for brain damage everywhere!
Gary Bohn
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: OT: New Gear |
14 Jan 2005 08:44:45 PM |
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On 14 Jan 2005 18:57:48 GMT, Gary Bohn
<garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote:
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:4o4gu0lcalm1uh0ltdu6vk984pa2896erd@4ax.com:
Well, after 35 years as a die-hard tube snob, I finally broke down and
bought a Line 6 Flextone III XL. This thing is freaking amazing, but
to get to the point - are there any of my fellow pickers who've had
some experience with this model who can give me some pointers for
dialing it in? It has great potential, but it's one of those pieces of
gear that requires a *lot* of tweaking. Don't we all love that? <G>
Thanks.
Sorry dude, I use a Stereo Chorus with a GR-33 and GT-6 for my sounds.
Takes forever to dial in what you want, but once done is terrific.
The GT-6 is a great unit. I've always liked Boss effects.
I was thinking of adding one of the Line-6 modelling guitars to my
collection though, so I'd be interested in what you feel the sound
quality of the Flextone is.
It isn't quite as "organic" as the original tube amps it models, but
it comes pretty close. Line 6's TubeTone circuitry does a really good
job of emulating the dynamics and "soft" clipping characteristics of a
tube amp. The Mesa Triple Rectifier kicks butt, the Fender Twin is
amazingly close to the real thing, and the '65 Marshall JTM-45 model
is *really* sweet. <G>
The Fender tweed Bassman model sounds kind of crappy, but then, IMHO,
so do the originals. :-)
I tried a Variax guitar at Guitar Center in Columbus a while back. It
doesn't nail the various guitars it models exactly, but, like the
Flextone, it comes pretty close, and you can't deny it's convenient. I
think the Variax 700 might be my next gear acquisition.
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| User: "Nivlem" |
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| Title: Re: OT: New Gear |
15 Jan 2005 04:37:41 AM |
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John Baker wrote:
On 14 Jan 2005 18:57:48 GMT, Gary Bohn
<garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote:
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:4o4gu0lcalm1uh0ltdu6vk984pa2896erd@4ax.com:
Well, after 35 years as a die-hard tube snob, I finally broke down and
bought a Line 6 Flextone III XL. This thing is freaking amazing, but
to get to the point - are there any of my fellow pickers who've had
some experience with this model who can give me some pointers for
dialing it in? It has great potential, but it's one of those pieces of
gear that requires a *lot* of tweaking. Don't we all love that? <G>
Thanks.
Sorry dude, I use a Stereo Chorus with a GR-33 and GT-6 for my sounds.
Takes forever to dial in what you want, but once done is terrific.
The GT-6 is a great unit. I've always liked Boss effects.
I was thinking of adding one of the Line-6 modelling guitars to my
collection though, so I'd be interested in what you feel the sound
quality of the Flextone is.
It isn't quite as "organic" as the original tube amps it models, but
it comes pretty close. Line 6's TubeTone circuitry does a really good
job of emulating the dynamics and "soft" clipping characteristics of a
tube amp. The Mesa Triple Rectifier kicks butt, the Fender Twin is
amazingly close to the real thing, and the '65 Marshall JTM-45 model
is *really* sweet. <G>
The Fender tweed Bassman model sounds kind of crappy, but then, IMHO,
so do the originals. :-)
I tried a Variax guitar at Guitar Center in Columbus a while back. It
doesn't nail the various guitars it models exactly, but, like the
Flextone, it comes pretty close, and you can't deny it's convenient. I
think the Variax 700 might be my next gear acquisition.
I'm playing a Gibson SG through a Mesa F50. No pedals. I have a hard
time imagining how the equipment could sound any better, although I'm a
hobbyist and dilettante without any great amount of native talent. I
really don't think I do either instrument justice. I'm a little puzzled
by your "organic" remark. To the best of my knowledge the term is
applicable in the context of chemistry or agricultural commodities, but
I don't think it means anything in terms of electronics or the shape of
sound waves. To tell the truth, I couldn't hear anything from that guy's
Line 6 that I mentioned in my other post that seemed to me to be
different from the sound I expected from a tube amp. Maybe not the best
listening environment, cranked to ear-shattering volume in a rock club
with mediocre accoustics and a crowd of drunks, I have to admit though.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: OT: New Gear |
15 Jan 2005 04:38:16 AM |
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Nivlem wrote:
I'm playing a Gibson SG through a Mesa F50. No pedals. I have a hard
time imagining how the equipment could sound any better, although I'm
a hobbyist and dilettante without any great amount of native talent. I
really don't think I do either instrument justice. I'm a little
puzzled by your "organic" remark. To the best of my knowledge the
term is applicable in the context of chemistry or agricultural
commodities, but I don't think it means anything in terms of
electronics or the shape of sound waves. To tell the truth, I
couldn't hear anything from that guy's Line 6 that I mentioned in my
other post that seemed to me to be different from the sound I
expected from a tube amp. Maybe not the best listening environment,
cranked to ear-shattering volume in a rock club with mediocre
accoustics and a crowd of drunks, I have to admit though.
Randi has been commenting on the insane amount of money people will spend on
gear http://www.randi.org/
$485 and up for two wooden knobs is but one example...
http://www.randi.org/jr/123104my.html#8
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: OT: New Gear |
16 Jan 2005 03:32:37 PM |
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 04:38:16 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Nivlem wrote:
I'm playing a Gibson SG through a Mesa F50. No pedals. I have a hard
time imagining how the equipment could sound any better, although I'm
a hobbyist and dilettante without any great amount of native talent. I
really don't think I do either instrument justice. I'm a little
puzzled by your "organic" remark. To the best of my knowledge the
term is applicable in the context of chemistry or agricultural
commodities, but I don't think it means anything in terms of
electronics or the shape of sound waves. To tell the truth, I
couldn't hear anything from that guy's Line 6 that I mentioned in my
other post that seemed to me to be different from the sound I
expected from a tube amp. Maybe not the best listening environment,
cranked to ear-shattering volume in a rock club with mediocre
accoustics and a crowd of drunks, I have to admit though.
Randi has been commenting on the insane amount of money people will spend on
gear http://www.randi.org/
I'm not that way so much with music gear. I do like to buy a new
guitar every couple of years or so just to keep myself inspired, but I
tend to use the same amp 'till it dies if I like the sound of it. Now
camera gear is a different story..... <G>
$485 and up for two wooden knobs is but one example...
http://www.randi.org/jr/123104my.html#8
That's a perfect example of what I call "The Great Audiophile Ripoff",
right up there with $1500 cables and $2000 speaker stands. These
wooden knobs can't *possibly* make a difference in the sound of your
system, but the gullible "golden ears" will convince themselves that
they do.
Talk about subjective evaluation. <G>
BTW, for what it's worth, it's been demonstrated time and time again
that these "golden eared" audiophiles can't tell the difference
between $2000 Kimber cables and ordinary 12 gauge zip cord in blind
listening tests, so what does that tell you? :-)
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| User: "Gary Bohn" |
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| Title: Re: OT: New Gear |
16 Jan 2005 05:12:44 PM |
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John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:aj1lu0tdg947orb4gbon4dip7blbv6n2bm@4ax.com:
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 04:38:16 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Nivlem wrote:
I'm playing a Gibson SG through a Mesa F50. No pedals. I have a hard
time imagining how the equipment could sound any better, although
I'm a hobbyist and dilettante without any great amount of native
talent. I really don't think I do either instrument justice. I'm a
little puzzled by your "organic" remark. To the best of my knowledge
the term is applicable in the context of chemistry or agricultural
commodities, but I don't think it means anything in terms of
electronics or the shape of sound waves. To tell the truth, I
couldn't hear anything from that guy's Line 6 that I mentioned in my
other post that seemed to me to be different from the sound I
expected from a tube amp. Maybe not the best listening environment,
cranked to ear-shattering volume in a rock club with mediocre
accoustics and a crowd of drunks, I have to admit though.
Randi has been commenting on the insane amount of money people will
spend on gear http://www.randi.org/
I'm not that way so much with music gear. I do like to buy a new
guitar every couple of years or so just to keep myself inspired, but I
tend to use the same amp 'till it dies if I like the sound of it. Now
camera gear is a different story..... <G>
$485 and up for two wooden knobs is but one example...
http://www.randi.org/jr/123104my.html#8
That's a perfect example of what I call "The Great Audiophile Ripoff",
right up there with $1500 cables and $2000 speaker stands. These
wooden knobs can't *possibly* make a difference in the sound of your
system, but the gullible "golden ears" will convince themselves that
they do.
Talk about subjective evaluation. <G>
BTW, for what it's worth, it's been demonstrated time and time again
that these "golden eared" audiophiles can't tell the difference
between $2000 Kimber cables and ordinary 12 gauge zip cord in blind
listening tests, so what does that tell you? :-)
It's all in their minds.
I have a tendancy to buy guitars that give me a unique sound or that are
collectables. I have guitars ranging from a Danelectro baritone to a
Jackson to a Steinberger in my electrics collection. My daily use is
either an EVH Wolfgang or an Ibanez semi-hollow.
--
apatriot #23, aa #2179, Grand Poobah, EAC Department of Oxygen
Deprivation
Responsible for brain damage everywhere!
Gary Bohn
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: OT: New Gear |
16 Jan 2005 06:37:18 PM |
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On 16 Jan 2005 17:12:44 GMT, Gary Bohn
<garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote:
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:aj1lu0tdg947orb4gbon4dip7blbv6n2bm@4ax.com:
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 04:38:16 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Nivlem wrote:
I'm playing a Gibson SG through a Mesa F50. No pedals. I have a hard
time imagining how the equipment could sound any better, although
I'm a hobbyist and dilettante without any great amount of native
talent. I really don't think I do either instrument justice. I'm a
little puzzled by your "organic" remark. To the best of my knowledge
the term is applicable in the context of chemistry or agricultural
commodities, but I don't think it means anything in terms of
electronics or the shape of sound waves. To tell the truth, I
couldn't hear anything from that guy's Line 6 that I mentioned in my
other post that seemed to me to be different from the sound I
expected from a tube amp. Maybe not the best listening environment,
cranked to ear-shattering volume in a rock club with mediocre
accoustics and a crowd of drunks, I have to admit though.
Randi has been commenting on the insane amount of money people will
spend on gear http://www.randi.org/
I'm not that way so much with music gear. I do like to buy a new
guitar every couple of years or so just to keep myself inspired, but I
tend to use the same amp 'till it dies if I like the sound of it. Now
camera gear is a different story..... <G>
$485 and up for two wooden knobs is but one example...
http://www.randi.org/jr/123104my.html#8
That's a perfect example of what I call "The Great Audiophile Ripoff",
right up there with $1500 cables and $2000 speaker stands. These
wooden knobs can't *possibly* make a difference in the sound of your
system, but the gullible "golden ears" will convince themselves that
they do.
Talk about subjective evaluation. <G>
BTW, for what it's worth, it's been demonstrated time and time again
that these "golden eared" audiophiles can't tell the difference
between $2000 Kimber cables and ordinary 12 gauge zip cord in blind
listening tests, so what does that tell you? :-)
It's all in their minds.
I have a tendancy to buy guitars that give me a unique sound or that are
collectables.
Don't we all? :-) My ex wife used to complain that I loved my guitars
more than her. Maybe that's why she's my ex wife. <G>
I have guitars ranging from a Danelectro baritone to a
Jackson to a Steinberger in my electrics collection.
I don't have a Steinberger, but I do have an old Harmony Rocket and a
couple of Westones. <G>
My daily use is
either an EVH Wolfgang or an Ibanez semi-hollow.
ESP here. I had a nice Lone Star Strat that was my main guitar, but,
unfortunately, it was stolen a few months ago.
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| User: "Gary Bohn" |
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16 Jan 2005 07:34:44 PM |
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John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:gcdlu0hgitanbk5p7dc936v0v85fj8qusi@4ax.com:
On 16 Jan 2005 17:12:44 GMT, Gary Bohn
<garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote:
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:aj1lu0tdg947orb4gbon4dip7blbv6n2bm@4ax.com:
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 04:38:16 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Nivlem wrote:
I'm playing a Gibson SG through a Mesa F50. No pedals. I have a
hard time imagining how the equipment could sound any better,
although I'm a hobbyist and dilettante without any great amount of
native talent. I really don't think I do either instrument
justice. I'm a little puzzled by your "organic" remark. To the
best of my knowledge the term is applicable in the context of
chemistry or agricultural commodities, but I don't think it means
anything in terms of electronics or the shape of sound waves. To
tell the truth, I couldn't hear anything from that guy's Line 6
that I mentioned in my other post that seemed to me to be
different from the sound I expected from a tube amp. Maybe not the
best listening environment, cranked to ear-shattering volume in a
rock club with mediocre accoustics and a crowd of drunks, I have
to admit though.
Randi has been commenting on the insane amount of money people will
spend on gear http://www.randi.org/
I'm not that way so much with music gear. I do like to buy a new
guitar every couple of years or so just to keep myself inspired, but
I tend to use the same amp 'till it dies if I like the sound of it.
Now camera gear is a different story..... <G>
$485 and up for two wooden knobs is but one example...
http://www.randi.org/jr/123104my.html#8
That's a perfect example of what I call "The Great Audiophile
Ripoff", right up there with $1500 cables and $2000 speaker stands.
These wooden knobs can't *possibly* make a difference in the sound
of your system, but the gullible "golden ears" will convince
themselves that they do.
Talk about subjective evaluation. <G>
BTW, for what it's worth, it's been demonstrated time and time again
that these "golden eared" audiophiles can't tell the difference
between $2000 Kimber cables and ordinary 12 gauge zip cord in blind
listening tests, so what does that tell you? :-)
It's all in their minds.
I have a tendancy to buy guitars that give me a unique sound or that
are collectables.
Don't we all? :-) My ex wife used to complain that I loved my guitars
more than her. Maybe that's why she's my ex wife. <G>
I have guitars ranging from a Danelectro baritone to a
Jackson to a Steinberger in my electrics collection.
I don't have a Steinberger, but I do have an old Harmony Rocket and a
couple of Westones. <G>
My daily use is
either an EVH Wolfgang or an Ibanez semi-hollow.
ESP here. I had a nice Lone Star Strat that was my main guitar, but,
unfortunately, it was stolen a few months ago.
I hope it was insured. I have a washburn here you can ram up the thief's
***** if you catch him. Just make sure it goes up body first.
--
apatriot #23, aa #2179, Grand Poobah, EAC Department of Oxygen
Deprivation
Responsible for brain damage everywhere!
Gary Bohn
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: OT: New Gear |
16 Jan 2005 06:48:29 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:37:18 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
Don't we all? :-) My ex wife used to complain that I loved my guitars
more than her. Maybe that's why she's my ex wife. <G>
Wife: "You love that Les Paul more than you love me!"
Guitarist (thinking for a moment): "Yes, dear, but I love you more
than my Strat..."
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| User: "Gary Bohn" |
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| Title: Re: OT: New Gear |
16 Jan 2005 07:35:46 PM |
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raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in
news:mkolu0tc6qg8u4hoto33j17vp04posmh3p@4ax.com:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:37:18 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
Don't we all? :-) My ex wife used to complain that I loved my guitars
more than her. Maybe that's why she's my ex wife. <G>
Wife: "You love that Les Paul more than you love me!"
Guitarist (thinking for a moment): "Yes, dear, but I love you more
than my Strat..."
How could any woman feel she is less than any guitar,...except a Les
Paul.
--
apatriot #23, aa #2179, Grand Poobah, EAC Department of Oxygen
Deprivation
Responsible for brain damage everywhere!
Gary Bohn
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| User: "Nivlem" |
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| Title: Re: OT: New Gear |
17 Jan 2005 03:30:20 AM |
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Gary Bohn wrote:
raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in
news:mkolu0tc6qg8u4hoto33j17vp04posmh3p@4ax.com:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:37:18 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
Don't we all? :-) My ex wife used to complain that I loved my guitars
more than her. Maybe that's why she's my ex wife. <G>
Wife: "You love that Les Paul more than you love me!"
Guitarist (thinking for a moment): "Yes, dear, but I love you more
than my Strat..."
How could any woman feel she is less than any guitar,...except a Les
Paul.
I was at a show a few months ago, where a guy left a Sunburst LP on the
curb behind the venue when the equipment van was loaded, and they drove
off without it. By the time anyone realized what happened, it was gone.
Some lucky crackhead scumbag must have been stoned for at least 2 hours
off the proceeds of that find. The unfortunate guitarist actually did
start crying.
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| User: "Gary Bohn" |
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| Title: Re: OT: New Gear |
17 Jan 2005 09:42:21 PM |
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Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote in news:41EB314C.2090004@svn.net:
Gary Bohn wrote:
raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in
news:mkolu0tc6qg8u4hoto33j17vp04posmh3p@4ax.com:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:37:18 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net>
wrote:
Don't we all? :-) My ex wife used to complain that I loved my
guitars more than her. Maybe that's why she's my ex wife. <G>
Wife: "You love that Les Paul more than you love me!"
Guitarist (thinking for a moment): "Yes, dear, but I love you more
than my Strat..."
How could any woman feel she is less than any guitar,...except a Les
Paul.
I was at a show a few months ago, where a guy left a Sunburst LP on
the curb behind the venue when the equipment van was loaded, and they
drove off without it. By the time anyone realized what happened, it
was gone. Some lucky crackhead scumbag must have been stoned for at
least 2 hours off the proceeds of that find. The unfortunate guitarist
actually did start crying.
Holy *****. What a loss. Did you scour the local pawn shops looking for
it?
All of my axes are insured.
--
apatriot #23, aa #2179, Grand Poobah, EAC Department of Oxygen
Deprivation
Responsible for brain damage everywhere!
Gary Bohn
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| User: "Nivlem" |
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| Title: Re: OT: New Gear |
18 Jan 2005 10:05:57 PM |
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Gary Bohn wrote:
Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote in news:41EB314C.2090004@svn.net:
Gary Bohn wrote:
raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in
news:mkolu0tc6qg8u4hoto33j17vp04posmh3p@4ax.com:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:37:18 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net>
wrote:
Don't we all? :-) My ex wife used to complain that I loved my
guitars more than her. Maybe that's why she's my ex wife. <G>
Wife: "You love that Les Paul more than you love me!"
Guitarist (thinking for a moment): "Yes, dear, but I love you more
than my Strat..."
How could any woman feel she is less than any guitar,...except a Les
Paul.
I was at a show a few months ago, where a guy left a Sunburst LP on
the curb behind the venue when the equipment van was loaded, and they
drove off without it. By the time anyone realized what happened, it
was gone. Some lucky crackhead scumbag must have been stoned for at
least 2 hours off the proceeds of that find. The unfortunate guitarist
actually did start crying.
Holy *****. What a loss. Did you scour the local pawn shops looking for
it?
All of my axes are insured.
I don't really know what happened after that. Not my band. I live too
far away for it to have been likely to show up in a pawn shop near me.
It was reported stolen that evening. Hopefully, the cops will recover it
at some point. I'd be willing to bet all his ***** is insured now, too.
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| User: "Gary Bohn" |
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| Title: Re: OT: New Gear |
19 Jan 2005 02:49:15 AM |
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Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote in news:41ED8845.1080306@svn.net:
Gary Bohn wrote:
Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote in news:41EB314C.2090004@svn.net:
Gary Bohn wrote:
raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in
news:mkolu0tc6qg8u4hoto33j17vp04posmh3p@4ax.com:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:37:18 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net>
wrote:
Don't we all? :-) My ex wife used to complain that I loved my
guitars more than her. Maybe that's why she's my ex wife. <G>
Wife: "You love that Les Paul more than you love me!"
Guitarist (thinking for a moment): "Yes, dear, but I love you more
than my Strat..."
How could any woman feel she is less than any guitar,...except a Les
Paul.
I was at a show a few months ago, where a guy left a Sunburst LP on
the curb behind the venue when the equipment van was loaded, and they
drove off without it. By the time anyone realized what happened, it
was gone. Some lucky crackhead scumbag must have been stoned for at
least 2 hours off the proceeds of that find. The unfortunate
guitarist actually did start crying.
Holy *****. What a loss. Did you scour the local pawn shops looking
for it?
All of my axes are insured.
I don't really know what happened after that. Not my band. I live too
far away for it to have been likely to show up in a pawn shop near me.
It was reported stolen that evening. Hopefully, the cops will recover
it at some point. I'd be willing to bet all his ***** is insured now,
too.
Hard way to learn a lesson.
--
apatriot #23, aa #2179, Grand Poobah, EAC Department of Oxygen
Deprivation
Responsible for brain damage everywhere!
Gary Bohn
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: OT: New Gear |
16 Jan 2005 02:29:17 PM |
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:37:41 -0800, Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote:
John Baker wrote:
On 14 Jan 2005 18:57:48 GMT, Gary Bohn
<garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote:
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:4o4gu0lcalm1uh0ltdu6vk984pa2896erd@4ax.com:
Well, after 35 years as a die-hard tube snob, I finally broke down and
bought a Line 6 Flextone III XL. This thing is freaking amazing, but
to get to the point - are there any of my fellow pickers who've had
some experience with this model who can give me some pointers for
dialing it in? It has great potential, but it's one of those pieces of
gear that requires a *lot* of tweaking. Don't we all love that? <G>
Thanks.
Sorry dude, I use a Stereo Chorus with a GR-33 and GT-6 for my sounds.
Takes forever to dial in what you want, but once done is terrific.
The GT-6 is a great unit. I've always liked Boss effects.
I was thinking of adding one of the Line-6 modelling guitars to my
collection though, so I'd be interested in what you feel the sound
quality of the Flextone is.
It isn't quite as "organic" as the original tube amps it models, but
it comes pretty close. Line 6's TubeTone circuitry does a really good
job of emulating the dynamics and "soft" clipping characteristics of a
tube amp. The Mesa Triple Rectifier kicks butt, the Fender Twin is
amazingly close to the real thing, and the '65 Marshall JTM-45 model
is *really* sweet. <G>
The Fender tweed Bassman model sounds kind of crappy, but then, IMHO,
so do the originals. :-)
I tried a Variax guitar at Guitar Center in Columbus a while back. It
doesn't nail the various guitars it models exactly, but, like the
Flextone, it comes pretty close, and you can't deny it's convenient. I
think the Variax 700 might be my next gear acquisition.
I'm playing a Gibson SG through a Mesa F50. No pedals. I have a hard
time imagining how the equipment could sound any better, although I'm a
hobbyist and dilettante without any great amount of native talent. I
really don't think I do either instrument justice. I'm a little puzzled
by your "organic" remark. To the best of my knowledge the term is
applicable in the context of chemistry or agricultural commodities, but
I don't think it means anything in terms of electronics or the shape of
sound waves.
No, it doesn't, actually. It's just a term guitarists use to describe
the warm, full tone good tube amps have. A lot of solid state amps
sound thin and sterile by comparison. But then, I've heard some thin
sounding tube amps, too.
To tell the truth, I couldn't hear anything from that guy's
Line 6 that I mentioned in my other post that seemed to me to be
different from the sound I expected from a tube amp.
If you compare the two side by side, you'll probably notice some
difference. But, as I mentioned, Line 6's tube emulation circuitry
does a very good job.
Maybe not the best
listening environment, cranked to ear-shattering volume in a rock club
with mediocre accoustics and a crowd of drunks, I have to admit though.
True. <G>
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| User: "towelie" |
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15 Jan 2005 12:58:38 AM |
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TV's Gary Bohn wrote:
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:4o4gu0lcalm1uh0ltdu6vk984pa2896erd@4ax.com:
Well, after 35 years as a die-hard tube snob, I finally broke down and
bought a Line 6 Flextone III XL. This thing is freaking amazing, but
to get to the point - are there any of my fellow pickers who've had
some experience with this model who can give me some pointers for
dialing it in? It has great potential, but it's one of those pieces of
gear that requires a *lot* of tweaking. Don't we all love that? <G>
Sorry dude, I use a Stereo Chorus with a GR-33 and GT-6 for my sounds.
Takes forever to dial in what you want, but once done is terrific.
I have a Digitech RP-5 effects processor. It makes even my little 20W
practice amp sound like a stack. A friend had a Zoom pedal, and it sounded
horrible in comparison.
--
"Shake says that books are from the devil, and that TV is twice as fast" -
Meatwad
"The Constitution was written on reefer by dudes with wooden teeth" - OG Loc
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "Nivlem" |
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14 Jan 2005 09:56:14 PM |
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John Baker wrote:
Well, after 35 years as a die-hard tube snob, I finally broke down and
bought a Line 6 Flextone III XL. This thing is freaking amazing, but
to get to the point - are there any of my fellow pickers who've had
some experience with this model who can give me some pointers for
dialing it in? It has great potential, but it's one of those pieces of
gear that requires a *lot* of tweaking. Don't we all love that? <G>
No help here. I have a Mesa tube amp. FOAF uses a Line 6. I was
surprised by how good it sounds. I was fairly skeptical of the digital
modeling idea. Maybe I could find a way to pester the guy for setup
tips, but it'd probably take me a week to get anything. You could almost
certainly get useful info out of guitar newsgroups or the internet
faster than that.
.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: OT: New Gear |
16 Jan 2005 02:34:36 PM |
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:56:14 -0800, Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote:
John Baker wrote:
Well, after 35 years as a die-hard tube snob, I finally broke down and
bought a Line 6 Flextone III XL. This thing is freaking amazing, but
to get to the point - are there any of my fellow pickers who've had
some experience with this model who can give me some pointers for
dialing it in? It has great potential, but it's one of those pieces of
gear that requires a *lot* of tweaking. Don't we all love that? <G>
No help here. I have a Mesa tube amp. FOAF uses a Line 6. I was
surprised by how good it sounds. I was fairly skeptical of the digital
modeling idea. Maybe I could find a way to pester the guy for setup
tips, but it'd probably take me a week to get anything. You could almost
certainly get useful info out of guitar newsgroups or the internet
faster than that.
I'm thinking a firmware upgrade might help quite a bit, too. As it is,
my current firmware version places the compressor last in the chain,
which makes balancing the level of the various presets difficult if
you're using compression. The new upgrade places the compressor before
the channel volume, which should fix that problem.
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| User: "Nivlem" |
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| Title: Re: OT: New Gear |
17 Jan 2005 03:52:59 AM |
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John Baker wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:56:14 -0800, Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote:
John Baker wrote:
Well, after 35 years as a die-hard tube snob, I finally broke down and
bought a Line 6 Flextone III XL. This thing is freaking amazing, but
to get to the point - are there any of my fellow pickers who've had
some experience with this model who can give me some pointers for
dialing it in? It has great potential, but it's one of those pieces of
gear that requires a *lot* of tweaking. Don't we all love that? <G>
No help here. I have a Mesa tube amp. FOAF uses a Line 6. I was
surprised by how good it sounds. I was fairly skeptical of the digital
modeling idea. Maybe I could find a way to pester the guy for setup
tips, but it'd probably take me a week to get anything. You could almost
certainly get useful info out of guitar newsgroups or the internet
faster than that.
I'm thinking a firmware upgrade might help quite a bit, too. As it is,
my current firmware version places the compressor last in the chain,
which makes balancing the level of the various presets difficult if
you're using compression. The new upgrade places the compressor before
the channel volume, which should fix that problem.
Ahh, yes. The "joy" of sorting out all the variables. Working on my bike
presents me with that headache often enough. That's why so far I've been
keeping things real simple. Perhaps I lack imagination, but many effects
also strike me as neither interesting or necessary to the sounds I want
to make. I hate when guys process their signal so heavily that you can
barely tell it's a guitar anymore. I'm considering the purchase of a wah
pedal. Also cosidering getting a Vox AC 30, and adding a chorus pedal to
play through both amps at once. But I've just sort of been endlessly
mulling it over, without doing anything about either idea. A wah pedal
is cheap though, unlike the second idea. Maybe I'll pick one up tomorrow.
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| User: "Gary Bohn" |
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| Title: Re: OT: New Gear |
17 Jan 2005 09:46:50 PM |
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Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote in news:41EB369B.2080707@svn.net:
John Baker wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:56:14 -0800, Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote:
John Baker wrote:
Well, after 35 years as a die-hard tube snob, I finally broke down
and bought a Line 6 Flextone III XL. This thing is freaking amazing,
but to get to the point - are there any of my fellow pickers who've
had some experience with this model who can give me some pointers
for dialing it in? It has great potential, but it's one of those
pieces of gear that requires a *lot* of tweaking. Don't we all love
that? <G>
No help here. I have a Mesa tube amp. FOAF uses a Line 6. I was
surprised by how good it sounds. I was fairly skeptical of the
digital modeling idea. Maybe I could find a way to pester the guy for
setup tips, but it'd probably take me a week to get anything. You
could almost certainly get useful info out of guitar newsgroups or
the internet faster than that.
I'm thinking a firmware upgrade might help quite a bit, too. As it
is, my current firmware version places the compressor last in the
chain, which makes balancing the level of the various presets
difficult if you're using compression. The new upgrade places the
compressor before the channel volume, which should fix that problem.
Ahh, yes. The "joy" of sorting out all the variables. Working on my
bike presents me with that headache often enough. That's why so far
I've been keeping things real simple. Perhaps I lack imagination, but
many effects also strike me as neither interesting or necessary to the
sounds I want to make. I hate when guys process their signal so
heavily that you can barely tell it's a guitar anymore. I'm
considering the purchase of a wah pedal. Also cosidering getting a Vox
AC 30, and adding a chorus pedal to play through both amps at once.
But I've just sort of been endlessly mulling it over, without doing
anything about either idea. A wah pedal is cheap though, unlike the
second idea. Maybe I'll pick one up tomorrow.
My GT-6 has hundreds of different sounds, but I use just a few,
including a wah and chorus. Since my musical tastes change (evolve) so
frequently, I'm glad I have the option of using any of those hundreds of
sounds. I have a separate chorus pedal for my acoustics but have yet to
use the stereo feature of it.
--
apatriot #23, aa #2179, Grand Poobah, EAC Department of Oxygen
Deprivation
Responsible for brain damage everywhere!
Gary Bohn
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| User: "Nivlem" |
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| Title: Re: OT: New Gear |
18 Jan 2005 10:00:53 PM |
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Gary Bohn wrote:
Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote in news:41EB369B.2080707@svn.net:
John Baker wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:56:14 -0800, Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote:
John Baker wrote:
Well, after 35 years as a die-hard tube snob, I finally broke down
and bought a Line 6 Flextone III XL. This thing is freaking amazing,
but to get to the point - are there any of my fellow pickers who've
had some experience with this model who can give me some pointers
for dialing it in? It has great potential, but it's one of those
pieces of gear that requires a *lot* of tweaking. Don't we all love
that? <G>
No help here. I have a Mesa tube amp. FOAF uses a Line 6. I was
surprised by how good it sounds. I was fairly skeptical of the
digital modeling idea. Maybe I could find a way to pester the guy for
setup tips, but it'd probably take me a week to get anything. You
could almost certainly get useful info out of guitar newsgroups or
the internet faster than that.
I'm thinking a firmware upgrade might help quite a bit, too. As it
is, my current firmware version places the compressor last in the
chain, which makes balancing the level of the various presets
difficult if you're using compression. The new upgrade places the
compressor before the channel volume, which should fix that problem.
Ahh, yes. The "joy" of sorting out all the variables. Working on my
bike presents me with that headache often enough. That's why so far
I've been keeping things real simple. Perhaps I lack imagination, but
many effects also strike me as neither interesting or necessary to the
sounds I want to make. I hate when guys process their signal so
heavily that you can barely tell it's a guitar anymore. I'm
considering the purchase of a wah pedal. Also cosidering getting a Vox
AC 30, and adding a chorus pedal to play through both amps at once.
But I've just sort of been endlessly mulling it over, without doing
anything about either idea. A wah pedal is cheap though, unlike the
second idea. Maybe I'll pick one up tomorrow.
My GT-6 has hundreds of different sounds, but I use just a few,
including a wah and chorus. Since my musical tastes change (evolve) so
frequently, I'm glad I have the option of using any of those hundreds of
sounds. I have a separate chorus pedal for my acoustics but have yet to
use the stereo feature of it.
I got a Vox Clyde McCoy wah-wah pedal yesterday. Neato, but definitely
something that will require a little experience to produce something more
like music and less like wierd noises. The novelty did increase the
amount of time I spent practicing yesterday. Fingertips are still a
little sore. Since my own tastes are fairly static, this oughta do it
for me for at least another year. Maybe I'll change guitars next.
Probably stupid. I actually like how it sounds and plays, but the SG
seems to be used by people in quite a lot of utter shite bands I've seen
in the past few months. There's lots of people doing utterly
boring, lame things with Strats, too but it doesn't bother me enough
never to consider owning one. I guess the last straw was when I saw
these guys who had 2 black SG guitars, and a black bass with an SG-shaped
body. It was like they were making a fashion statement. Blech. Less
concentration on presenting a look and more concentration on not sucking
would definitely have been in order. And yet, here I am considering a
change in what I'm playing for a somewhat similar reason, that is, to
avoid looking like those dorks if at all possible. Irony meter
moving yet? I think I'll start saving my pennies for the difference
between what I can get for the SG and a PRS anyway. That will hopefully
cut the odds that I regret the decision.
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| User: "Gary Bohn" |
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| Title: Re: OT: New Gear |
19 Jan 2005 02:53:10 AM |
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Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote in news:41ED8715.9030707@svn.net:
Gary Bohn wrote:
Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote in news:41EB369B.2080707@svn.net:
John Baker wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:56:14 -0800, Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote:
John Baker wrote:
Well, after 35 years as a die-hard tube snob, I finally broke down
and bought a Line 6 Flextone III XL. This thing is freaking
amazing, but to get to the point - are there any of my fellow
pickers who've had some experience with this model who can give me
some pointers for dialing it in? It has great potential, but it's
one of those pieces of gear that requires a *lot* of tweaking.
Don't we all love that? <G>
No help here. I have a Mesa tube amp. FOAF uses a Line 6. I was
surprised by how good it sounds. I was fairly skeptical of the
digital modeling idea. Maybe I could find a way to pester the guy
for setup tips, but it'd probably take me a week to get anything.
You could almost certainly get useful info out of guitar newsgroups
or the internet faster than that.
I'm thinking a firmware upgrade might help quite a bit, too. As it
is, my current firmware version places the compressor last in the
chain, which makes balancing the level of the various presets
difficult if you're using compression. The new upgrade places the
compressor before the channel volume, which should fix that problem.
Ahh, yes. The "joy" of sorting out all the variables. Working on my
bike presents me with that headache often enough. That's why so far
I've been keeping things real simple. Perhaps I lack imagination, but
many effects also strike me as neither interesting or necessary to
the sounds I want to make. I hate when guys process their signal so
heavily that you can barely tell it's a guitar anymore. I'm
considering the purchase of a wah pedal. Also cosidering getting a
Vox AC 30, and adding a chorus pedal to play through both amps at
once. But I've just sort of been endlessly mulling it over, without
doing anything about either idea. A wah pedal is cheap though, unlike
the second idea. Maybe I'll pick one up tomorrow.
My GT-6 has hundreds of different sounds, but I use just a few,
including a wah and chorus. Since my musical tastes change (evolve)
so frequently, I'm glad I have the option of using any of those
hundreds of sounds. I have a separate chorus pedal for my acoustics
but have yet to use the stereo feature of it.
I got a Vox Clyde McCoy wah-wah pedal yesterday. Neato, but definitely
something that will require a little experience to produce something
more like music and less like wierd noises. The novelty did increase
the amount of time I spent practicing yesterday. Fingertips are still
a little sore. Since my own tastes are fairly static, this oughta do
it for me for at least another year. Maybe I'll change guitars next.
Probably stupid. I actually like how it sounds and plays, but the SG
seems to be used by people in quite a lot of utter shite bands I've
seen in the past few months. There's lots of people doing utterly
boring, lame things with Strats, too but it doesn't bother me enough
never to consider owning one. I guess the last straw was when I saw
these guys who had 2 black SG guitars, and a black bass with an
SG-shaped body. It was like they were making a fashion statement.
Blech. Less concentration on presenting a look and more concentration
on not sucking would definitely have been in order. And yet, here I am
considering a change in what I'm playing for a somewhat similar
reason, that is, to avoid looking like those dorks if at all possible.
Irony meter moving yet? I think I'll start saving my pennies for the
difference between what I can get for the SG and a PRS anyway. That
will hopefully cut the odds that I regret the decision.
Which PRS are you interested in? The PRSs I've played (I don't own one,
yet) haven't felt any better than my Jackson nor played as smoothly. I
do like the sound and the looks of the McCarthy, a lot. Going from an SG
to a PRS would be a good move.
--
apatriot #23, aa #2179, Grand Poobah, EAC Department of Oxygen
Deprivation
Responsible for brain damage everywhere!
Gary Bohn
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| User: "Nivlem" |
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| Title: Re: OT: New Gear |
19 Jan 2005 10:33:59 PM |
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Gary Bohn wrote:
Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote in news:41ED8715.9030707@svn.net:
Gary Bohn wrote:
Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote in news:41EB369B.2080707@svn.net:
John Baker wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:56:14 -0800, Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote:
John Baker wrote:
Well, after 35 years as a die-hard tube snob, I finally broke down
and bought a Line 6 Flextone III XL. This thing is freaking
amazing, but to get to the point - are there any of my fellow
pickers who've had some experience with this model who can give me
some pointers for dialing it in? It has great potential, but it's
one of those pieces of gear that requires a *lot* of tweaking.
Don't we all love that? <G>
No help here. I have a Mesa tube amp. FOAF uses a Line 6. I was
surprised by how good it sounds. I was fairly skeptical of the
digital modeling idea. Maybe I could find a way to pester the guy
for setup tips, but it'd probably take me a week to get anything.
You could almost certainly get useful info out of guitar newsgroups
or the internet faster than that.
I'm thinking a firmware upgrade might help quite a bit, too. As it
is, my current firmware version places the compressor last in the
chain, which makes balancing the level of the various presets
difficult if you're using compression. The new upgrade places the
compressor before the channel volume, which should fix that problem.
Ahh, yes. The "joy" of sorting out all the variables. Working on my
bike presents me with that headache often enough. That's why so far
I've been keeping things real simple. Perhaps I lack imagination, but
many effects also strike me as neither interesting or necessary to
the sounds I want to make. I hate when guys process their signal so
heavily that you can barely tell it's a guitar anymore. I'm
considering the purchase of a wah pedal. Also cosidering getting a
Vox AC 30, and adding a chorus pedal to play through both amps at
once. But I've just sort of been endlessly mulling it over, without
doing anything about either idea. A wah pedal is cheap though, unlike
the second idea. Maybe I'll pick one up tomorrow.
My GT-6 has hundreds of different sounds, but I use just a few,
including a wah and chorus. Since my musical tastes change (evolve)
so frequently, I'm glad I have the option of using any of those
hundreds of sounds. I have a separate chorus pedal for my acoustics
but have yet to use the stereo feature of it.
I got a Vox Clyde McCoy wah-wah pedal yesterday. Neato, but definitely
something that will require a little experience to produce something
more like music and less like wierd noises. The novelty did increase
the amount of time I spent practicing yesterday. Fingertips are still
a little sore. Since my own tastes are fairly static, this oughta do
it for me for at least another year. Maybe I'll change guitars next.
Probably stupid. I actually like how it sounds and plays, but the SG
seems to be used by people in quite a lot of utter shite bands I've
seen in the past few months. There's lots of people doing utterly
boring, lame things with Strats, too but it doesn't bother me enough
never to consider owning one. I guess the last straw was when I saw
these guys who had 2 black SG guitars, and a black bass with an
SG-shaped body. It was like they were making a fashion statement.
Blech. Less concentration on presenting a look and more concentration
on not sucking would definitely have been in order. And yet, here I am
considering a change in what I'm playing for a somewhat similar
reason, that is, to avoid looking like those dorks if at all possible.
Irony meter moving yet? I think I'll start saving my pennies for the
difference between what I can get for the SG and a PRS anyway. That
will hopefully cut the odds that I regret the decision.
Which PRS are you interested in? The PRSs I've played (I don't own one,
yet) haven't felt any better than my Jackson nor played as smoothly. I
do like the sound and the looks of the McCarthy, a lot. Going from an SG
to a PRS would be a good move.
I was thinking about a single cutaway, but going to the website,
it looks like Gibson sued, and they discontinued it. They also
prominently featured a pouty, annoying git in some abomination called "Good
Charlotte" on the page. A bit of a turnoff, although Jackson did go them
one better, featuring a Jenna Jameson signature model giveaway. Last I
heard, Jenna Jameson was famous for sucking *****. I'll bet she can't
even play a chord. So that leaves me with the Gibson LP, although, given
your testimonial, I'll go get them to let me play a Jackson at the store
down the street.
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| User: "Gary Bohn" |
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| Title: Re: OT: New Gear |
20 Jan 2005 12:44:50 AM |
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Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote in news:41EEE057.60801@svn.net:
Gary Bohn wrote:
Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote in news:41ED8715.9030707@svn.net:
Gary Bohn wrote:
Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote in news:41EB369B.2080707@svn.net:
John Baker wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:56:14 -0800, Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote:
John Baker wrote:
Well, after 35 years as a die-hard tube snob, I finally broke
down and bought a Line 6 Flextone III XL. This thing is freaking
amazing, but to get to the point - are there any of my fellow
pickers who've had some experience with this model who can give
me some pointers for dialing it in? It has great potential, but
it's one of those pieces of gear that requires a *lot* of
tweaking. Don't we all love that? <G>
No help here. I have a Mesa tube amp. FOAF uses a Line 6. I was
surprised by how good it sounds. I was fairly skeptical of the
digital modeling idea. Maybe I could find a way to pester the guy
for setup tips, but it'd probably take me a week to get anything.
You could almost certainly get useful info out of guitar
newsgroups or the internet faster than that.
I'm thinking a firmware upgrade might help quite a bit, too. As it
is, my current firmware version places the compressor last in the
chain, which makes balancing the level of the various presets
difficult if you're using compression. The new upgrade places the
compressor before the channel volume, which should fix that
problem.
Ahh, yes. The "joy" of sorting out all the variables. Working on my
bike presents me with that headache often enough. That's why so far
I've been keeping things real simple. Perhaps I lack imagination,
but many effects also strike me as neither interesting or necessary
to the sounds I want to make. I hate when guys process their signal
so heavily that you can barely tell it's a guitar anymore. I'm
considering the purchase of a wah pedal. Also cosidering getting a
Vox AC 30, and adding a chorus pedal to play through both amps at
once. But I've just sort of been endlessly mulling it over, without
doing anything about either idea. A wah pedal is cheap though,
unlike the second idea. Maybe I'll pick one up tomorrow.
My GT-6 has hundreds of different sounds, but I use just a few,
including a wah and chorus. Since my musical tastes change (evolve)
so frequently, I'm glad I have the option of using any of those
hundreds of sounds. I have a separate chorus pedal for my acoustics
but have yet to use the stereo feature of it.
I got a Vox Clyde McCoy wah-wah pedal yesterday. Neato, but
definitely something that will require a little experience to produce
something more like music and less like wierd noises. The novelty did
increase the amount of time I spent practicing yesterday. Fingertips
are still a little sore. Since my own tastes are fairly static, this
oughta do it for me for at least another year. Maybe I'll change
guitars next. Probably stupid. I actually like how it sounds and
plays, but the SG seems to be used by people in quite a lot of utter
shite bands I've seen in the past few months. There's lots of people
doing utterly boring, lame things with Strats, too but it doesn't
bother me enough never to consider owning one. I guess the last straw
was when I saw these guys who had 2 black SG guitars, and a black
bass with an SG-shaped body. It was like they were making a fashion
statement. Blech. Less concentration on presenting a look and more
concentration on not sucking would definitely have been in order. And
yet, here I am considering a change in what I'm playing for a
somewhat similar reason, that is, to avoid looking like those dorks
if at all possible. Irony meter moving yet? I think I'll start saving
my pennies for the difference between what I can get for the SG and a
PRS anyway. That will hopefully cut the odds that I regret the
decision.
Which PRS are you interested in? The PRSs I've played (I don't own
one, yet) haven't felt any better than my Jackson nor played as
smoothly. I do like the sound and the looks of the McCarthy, a lot.
Going from an SG to a PRS would be a good move.
I was thinking about a single cutaway, but going to the website,
it looks like Gibson sued, and they discontinued it. They also
prominently featured a pouty, annoying git in some abomination called
"Good Charlotte" on the page. A bit of a turnoff, although Jackson did
go them one better, featuring a Jenna Jameson signature model
giveaway. Last I heard, Jenna Jameson was famous for sucking *****.
I'll bet she can't even play a chord. So that leaves me with the
Gibson LP, although, given your testimonial, I'll go get them to let
me play a Jackson at the store down the street.
You might have trouble finding one equal to my Jackson, its a high end
1981 Fusion Professional. They don't make them any more. See if you can
find a current model with ebony fingerboard and wide flat neck profile.
That may be close.
I can't believe Gibson would sue someone for body style. What crap.
--
apatriot #23, aa #1779, Grand Poobah, EAC Department of Oxygen
Deprivation
Responsible for brain damage everywhere!
Gary Bohn
Science rationally modifies a theory to fit evidence, creationism
emotionally modifies evidence to fit the bible.
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| User: "Nivlem" |
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| Title: Re: OT: New Gear |
20 Jan 2005 07:33:02 PM |
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Gary Bohn wrote:
Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote in news:41EEE057.60801@svn.net:
Gary Bohn wrote:
Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote in news:41ED8715.9030707@svn.net:
Gary Bohn wrote:
Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote in news:41EB369B.2080707@svn.net:
John Baker wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:56:14 -0800, Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote:
John Baker wrote:
Well, after 35 years as a die-hard tube snob, I finally broke
down and bought a Line 6 Flextone III XL. This thing is freaking
amazing, but to get to the point - are there any of my fellow
pickers who've had some experience with this model who can give
me some pointers for dialing it in? It has great potential, but
it's one of those pieces of gear that requires a *lot* of
tweaking. Don't we all love that? <G>
No help here. I have a Mesa tube amp. FOAF uses a Line 6. I was
surprised by how good it sounds. I was fairly skeptical of the
digital modeling idea. Maybe I could find a way to pester the guy
for setup tips, but it'd probably take me a week to get anything.
You could almost certainly get useful info out of guitar
newsgroups or the internet faster than that.
I'm thinking a firmware upgrade might help quite a bit, too. As it
is, my current firmware version places the compressor last in the
chain, which makes balancing the level of the various presets
difficult if you're using compression. The new upgrade places the
compressor before the channel volume, which should fix that
problem.
Ahh, yes. The "joy" of sorting out all the variables. Working on my
bike presents me with that headache often enough. That's why so far
I've been keeping things real simple. Perhaps I lack imagination,
but many effects also strike me as neither interesting or necessary
to the sounds I want to make. I hate when guys process their signal
so heavily that you can barely tell it's a guitar anymore. I'm
considering the purchase of a wah pedal. Also cosidering getting a
Vox AC 30, and adding a chorus pedal to play through both amps at
once. But I've just sort of been endlessly mulling it over, without
doing anything about either idea. A wah pedal is cheap though,
unlike the second idea. Maybe I'll pick one up tomorrow.
My GT-6 has hundreds of different sounds, but I use just a few,
including a wah and chorus. Since my musical tastes change (evolve)
so frequently, I'm glad I have the option of using any of those
hundreds of sounds. I have a separate chorus pedal for my acoustics
but have yet to use the stereo feature of it.
I got a Vox Clyde McCoy wah-wah pedal yesterday. Neato, but
definitely something that will require a little experience to produce
something more like music and less like wierd noises. The novelty did
increase the amount of time I spent practicing yesterday. Fingertips
are still a little sore. Since my own tastes are fairly static, this
oughta do it for me for at least another year. Maybe I'll change
guitars next. Probably stupid. I actually like how it sounds and
plays, but the SG seems to be used by people in quite a lot of utter
shite bands I've seen in the past few months. There's lots of people
doing utterly boring, lame things with Strats, too but it doesn't
bother me enough never to consider owning one. I guess the last straw
was when I saw these guys who had 2 black SG guitars, and a black
bass with an SG-shaped body. It was like they were making a fashion
statement. Blech. Less concentration on presenting a look and more
concentration on not sucking would definitely have been in order. And
yet, here I am considering a change in what I'm playing for a
somewhat similar reason, that is, to avoid looking like those dorks
if at all possible. Irony meter moving yet? I think I'll start saving
my pennies for the difference between what I can get for the SG and a
PRS anyway. That will hopefully cut the odds that I regret the
decision.
Which PRS are you interested in? The PRSs I've played (I don't own
one, yet) haven't felt any better than my Jackson nor played as
smoothly. I do like the sound and the looks of the McCarthy, a lot.
Going from an SG to a PRS would be a good move.
I was thinking about a single cutaway, but going to the website,
it looks like Gibson sued, and they discontinued it. They also
prominently featured a pouty, annoying git in some abomination called
"Good Charlotte" on the page. A bit of a turnoff, although Jackson did
go them one better, featuring a Jenna Jameson signature model
giveaway. Last I heard, Jenna Jameson was famous for sucking *****.
I'll bet she can't even play a chord. So that leaves me with the
Gibson LP, although, given your testimonial, I'll go get them to let
me play a Jackson at the store down the street.
You might have trouble finding one equal to my Jackson, its a high end
1981 Fusion Professional. They don't make them any more. See if you can
find a current model with ebony fingerboard and wide flat neck profile.
That may be close.
I can't believe Gibson would sue someone for body style. What crap.
It may also be because of how the controls are set up. I noticed that
Yamaha, which isn't being sued, makes a similar body style, but has
the tone and volume pots wired like a Strat. This is too bad. Yamaha
generally makes decent stuff. I like being able to control the volume
and tone of both pickups seperately, so the Yamaha is out. My
favorite sound from the SG involves using both pickups with tone and
volume on the neck pickup set at around half.
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| User: "Gary Bohn" |
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| Title: Re: OT: New Gear |
20 Jan 2005 08:05:58 PM |
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Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote in news:41F0076E.8020309@svn.net:
Gary Bohn wrote:
Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote in news:41EEE057.60801@svn.net:
Gary Bohn wrote:
Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote in news:41ED8715.9030707@svn.net:
Gary Bohn wrote:
Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote in news:41EB369B.2080707@svn.net:
John Baker wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:56:14 -0800, Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote:
John Baker wrote:
Well, after 35 years as a die-hard tube snob, I finally broke
down and bought a Line 6 Flextone III XL. This thing is
freaking amazing, but to get to the point - are there any of
my fellow pickers who've had some experience with this model
who can give me some pointers for dialing it in? It has great
potential, but it's one of those pieces of gear that requires
a *lot* of tweaking. Don't we all love that? <G>
No help here. I have a Mesa tube amp. FOAF uses a Line 6. I was
surprised by how good it sounds. I was fairly skeptical of the
digital modeling idea. Maybe I could find a way to pester the
guy for setup tips, but it'd probably take me a week to get
anything. You could almost certainly get useful info out of
guitar newsgroups or the internet faster than that.
I'm thinking a firmware upgrade might help quite a bit, too. As
it is, my current firmware version places the compressor last in
the chain, which makes balancing the level of the various
presets difficult if you're using compression. The new upgrade
places the compressor before the channel volume, which should
fix that problem.
Ahh, yes. The "joy" of sorting out all the variables. Working on
my bike presents me with that headache often enough. That's why
so far I've been keeping things real simple. Perhaps I lack
imagination, but many effects also strike me as neither
interesting or necessary to the sounds I want to make. I hate
when guys process their signal so heavily that you can barely
tell it's a guitar anymore. I'm considering the purchase of a wah
pedal. Also cosidering getting a Vox AC 30, and adding a chorus
pedal to play through both amps at once. But I've just sort of
been endlessly mulling it over, without doing anything about
either idea. A wah pedal is cheap though, unlike the second idea.
Maybe I'll pick one up tomorrow.
My GT-6 has hundreds of different sounds, but I use just a few,
including a wah and chorus. Since my musical tastes change
(evolve) so frequently, I'm glad I have the option of using any of
those hundreds of sounds. I have a separate chorus pedal for my
acoustics but have yet to use the stereo feature of it.
I got a Vox Clyde McCoy wah-wah pedal yesterday. Neato, but
definitely something that will require a little experience to
produce something more like music and less like wierd noises. The
novelty did increase the amount of time I spent practicing
yesterday. Fingertips are still a little sore. Since my own tastes
are fairly static, this oughta do it for me for at least another
year. Maybe I'll change guitars next. Probably stupid. I actually
like how it sounds and plays, but the SG seems to be used by people
in quite a lot of utter shite bands I've seen in the past few
months. There's lots of people doing utterly boring, lame things
with Strats, too but it doesn't bother me enough never to consider
owning one. I guess the last straw was when I saw these guys who
had 2 black SG guitars, and a black bass with an SG-shaped body. It
was like they were making a fashion statement. Blech. Less
concentration on presenting a look and more concentration on not
sucking would definitely have been in order. And yet, here I am
considering a change in what I'm playing for a somewhat similar
reason, that is, to avoid looking like those dorks if at all
possible. Irony meter moving yet? I think I'll start saving my
pennies for the difference between what I can get for the SG and a
PRS anyway. That will hopefully cut the odds that I regret the
decision.
Which PRS are you interested in? The PRSs I've played (I don't own
one, yet) haven't felt any better than my Jackson nor played as
smoothly. I do like the sound and the looks of the McCarthy, a lot.
Going from an SG to a PRS would be a good move.
I was thinking about a single cutaway, but going to the website,
it looks like Gibson sued, and they discontinued it. They also
prominently featured a pouty, annoying git in some abomination called
"Good Charlotte" on the page. A bit of a turnoff, although Jackson
did go them one better, featuring a Jenna Jameson signature model
giveaway. Last I heard, Jenna Jameson was famous for sucking *****.
I'll bet she can't even play a chord. So that leaves me with the
Gibson LP, although, given your testimonial, I'll go get them to let
me play a Jackson at the store down the street.
You might have trouble finding one equal to my Jackson, its a high
end 1981 Fusion Professional. They don't make them any more. See if
you can find a current model with ebony fingerboard and wide flat
neck profile. That may be close.
I can't believe Gibson would sue someone for body style. What crap.
It may also be because of how the controls are set up. I noticed that
Yamaha, which isn't being sued, makes a similar body style, but has
the tone and volume pots wired like a Strat. This is too bad. Yamaha
generally makes decent stuff. I like being able to control the volume
and tone of both pickups seperately, so the Yamaha is out. My
favorite sound from the SG involves using both pickups with tone and
volume on the neck pickup set at around half.
I have an Ibanez that was wired like he LP, if both pickups are on, one
volume control affects both equally. I hated that so I re-wired it.
--
apatriot #23, aa #1779, Grand Poobah, EAC Department of Oxygen
Deprivation
Responsible for brain damage everywhere!
Gary Bohn
Science rationally modifies a theory to fit evidence, creationism
emotionally modifies evidence to fit the bible.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: OT: New Gear |
20 Jan 2005 09:24:03 PM |
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:33:02 -0800, Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote:
Gary Bohn wrote:
Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote in news:41EEE057.60801@svn.net:
Gary Bohn wrote:
Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote in news:41ED8715.9030707@svn.net:
Gary Bohn wrote:
Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote in news:41EB369B.2080707@svn.net:
John Baker wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:56:14 -0800, Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote:
John Baker wrote:
Well, after 35 years as a die-hard tube snob, I finally broke
down and bought a Line 6 Flextone III XL. This thing is freaking
amazing, but to get to the point - are there any of my fellow
pickers who've had some experience with this model who can give
me some pointers for dialing it in? It has great potential, but
it's one of those pieces of gear that requires a *lot* of
tweaking. Don't we all love that? <G>
No help here. I have a Mesa tube amp. FOAF uses a Line 6. I was
surprised by how good it sounds. I was fairly skeptical of the
digital modeling idea. Maybe I could find a way to pester the guy
for setup tips, but it'd probably take me a week to get anything.
You could almost certainly get useful info out of guitar
newsgroups or the internet faster than that.
I'm thinking a firmware upgrade might help quite a bit, too. As it
is, my current firmware version places the compressor last in the
chain, which makes balancing the level of the various presets
difficult if you're using compression. The new upgrade places the
compressor before the channel volume, which should fix that
problem.
Ahh, yes. The "joy" of sorting out all the variables. Working on my
bike presents me with that headache often enough. That's why so far
I've been keeping things real simple. Perhaps I lack imagination,
but many effects also strike me as neither interesting or necessary
to the sounds I want to make. I hate when guys process their signal
so heavily that you can barely tell it's a guitar anymore. I'm
considering the purchase of a wah pedal. Also cosidering getting a
Vox AC 30, and adding a chorus pedal to play through both amps at
once. But I've just sort of been endlessly mulling it over, without
doing anything about either idea. A wah pedal is cheap though,
unlike the second idea. Maybe I'll pick one up tomorrow.
My GT-6 has hundreds of different sounds, but I use just a few,
including a wah and chorus. Since my musical tastes change (evolve)
so frequently, I'm glad I have the option of using any of those
hundreds of sounds. I have a separate chorus pedal for my acoustics
but have yet to use the stereo feature of it.
I got a Vox Clyde McCoy wah-wah pedal yesterday. Neato, but
definitely something that will require a little experience to produce
something more like music and less like wierd noises. The novelty did
increase the amount of time I spent practicing yesterday. Fingertips
are still a little sore. Since my own tastes are fairly static, this
oughta do it for me for at least another year. Maybe I'll change
guitars next. Probably stupid. I actually like how it sounds and
plays, but the SG seems to be used by people in quite a lot of utter
shite bands I've seen in the past few months. There's lots of people
doing utterly boring, lame things with Strats, too but it doesn't
bother me enough never to consider owning one. I guess the last straw
was when I saw these guys who had 2 black SG guitars, and a black
bass with an SG-shaped body. It was like they were making a fashion
statement. Blech. Less concentration on presenting a look and more
concentration on not sucking would definitely have been in order. And
yet, here I am considering a change in what I'm playing for a
somewhat similar reason, that is, to avoid looking like those dorks
if at all possible. Irony meter moving yet? I think I'll start saving
my pennies for the difference between what I can get for the SG and a
PRS anyway. That will hopefully cut the odds that I regret the
decision.
Which PRS are you interested in? The PRSs I've played (I don't own
one, yet) haven't felt any better than my Jackson nor played as
smoothly. I do like the sound and the looks of the McCarthy, a lot.
Going from an SG to a PRS would be a good move.
I was thinking about a single cutaway, but going to the website,
it looks like Gibson sued, and they discontinued it. They also
prominently featured a pouty, annoying git in some abomination called
"Good Charlotte" on the page. A bit of a turnoff, although Jackson did
go them one better, featuring a Jenna Jameson signature model
giveaway. Last I heard, Jenna Jameson was famous for sucking *****.
I'll bet she can't even play a chord. So that leaves me with the
Gibson LP, although, given your testimonial, I'll go get them to let
me play a Jackson at the store down the street.
You might have trouble finding one equal to my Jackson, its a high end
1981 Fusion Professional. They don't make them any more. See if you can
find a current model with ebony fingerboard and wide flat neck profile.
That may be close.
I can't believe Gibson would sue someone for body style. What crap.
It may also be because of how the controls are set up. I noticed that
Yamaha, which isn't being sued, makes a similar body style, but has
the tone and volume pots wired like a Strat. This is too bad. Yamaha
generally makes decent stuff. I like being able to control the volume
and tone of both pickups seperately, so the Yamaha is out. My
favorite sound from the SG involves using both pickups with tone and
volume on the neck pickup set at around half.
I thought I was the only one who did that. <G>
Actually, I set the neck pickup volume at about a quarter, and use
that setting for rhythms. Comes time for the solo, I just flip the
switch down to bridge only.
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: OT: New Gear |
20 Jan 2005 08:20:58 AM |
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On 20 Jan 2005 00:44:50 GMT, Gary Bohn
<garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote:
I can't believe Gibson would sue someone for body style. What crap.
It wouldn't be the first time; they did the same to Ibanez a while
back, go to Ebay and search for "Ibanez lawsuit"; you'll find a whole
host of instruments for sale under that heading. I'd boycott Gibson,
except for the inconvenient fact that my '79 Les Paul is by far the
greatest guitar I've ever played...
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| User: "Gary Bohn" |
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| Title: Re: OT: New Gear |
20 Jan 2005 08:03:43 PM |
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raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in
news:ed5vu05dg39k3sfckr5jdkevkgj8fkkpnh@4ax.com:
On 20 Jan 2005 00:44:50 GMT, Gary Bohn
<garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote:
I can't believe Gibson would sue someone for body style. What crap.
It wouldn't be the first time; they did the same to Ibanez a while
back, go to Ebay and search for "Ibanez lawsuit"; you'll find a whole
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